From unknown Fri Sep 12 01:59:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46633: [PATCH] Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 46633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 46633@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16137275776801 (code B ref -1); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:40:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 09:39:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48746 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD2G4-0001lX-Pb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 04:39:37 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52246) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD2G2-0001lP-6o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 04:39:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41482) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lD2G1-0007EO-RQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 04:39:29 -0500 Received: from mail-pj1-f50.google.com ([209.85.216.50]:53858) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lD2Fz-0004rD-6Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 04:39:29 -0500 Received: by mail-pj1-f50.google.com with SMTP id c19so3382080pjq.3 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 01:39:26 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=V0Q2nRgrQs42SSR3mGX7bxa14Z1IAtBY2X7wbHH4aYM=; b=nXFAmZX9crW5cG0Eo36GOUEh0zWKJ89vlbf2oZhlfQQku68heRh/hty3pLT+Ww42EQ dFRKvBrMXmnOUsYGSiGMcrC29Uz0bsMNsB59xnku+PGVQkO+hHXJgC/dGMISCUx82bki OR2uq2ENKLUj7FcWucKF27wFNBO1+Gc+KUBb0gCPGXMiGXD+K6U11Jg/adSOOI/sme2c g0bHYthrPS8bF5yOyR0jetvmUnkGZWHhlVf6U6fhy8KsU9F7jSA1nyKdVCYS2BQ0Y9up kpdFE/0P6Ijdjgn0HVk2cUtD3DknnGgWW42oNLj9o6TwTLlVQCtTJWz4TDM/eIcn04y6 q01A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533uBrgkekZ5POvlru4JfurXobXr9aIHZrUvvn8bj2t04d6tC+rZ GyTQx6ykKYQl0D9JYsaDZ4Cm+X1KoQpjHVJUx0HjVZxH X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxP26mUFhFj7KZwAYASIgBuVJoovW2c0hh26gRfdOX526Vv6OTQYdBvGzu7DTAWTW+EGyn93Ii+A2pOCLSNFGY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ea88:: with SMTP id h8mr8403686pjz.175.1613727565445; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 01:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:39:24 -0600 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:39:24 -0600 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000004d9e5905bbad3a70" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.216.50; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-f50.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) --0000000000004d9e5905bbad3a70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Severity: wishlist I suggest that we talk about mailing lists ahead of Usenet newsgroups in the FAQ, as mailing lists is likely to be the most common way of accessing Emacs discussions these days. 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2021 12:13:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48855 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD4fL-0005og-Bs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:13:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37328) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD4fH-0005oT-V5 for 46633@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:13:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40893) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lD4fC-0005bn-Ck; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:13:38 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4766 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lD4fB-0003Ed-FC; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:13:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:13:53 +0200 Message-Id: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:39:24 -0600) References: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 03:39:24 -0600 > > I suggest that we talk about mailing lists ahead of Usenet newsgroups in > the FAQ, as mailing lists is likely to be the most common way of > accessing Emacs discussions these days. I don't mind, but is it indeed so? I see at least some people here use the news group. From unknown Fri Sep 12 01:59:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46633: [PATCH] Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 13:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Stefan Kangas , 46633@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46633.16137397962542 (code B ref 46633); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 13:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 46633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 13:03:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48911 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5RE-0000ew-BR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:03:16 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5RB-0000ei-Rg for 46633@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:03:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0n6IyoyrQ/wcyR7Vu6jwqPFLR86iUzwqvJDh1F3ZVi8=; b=GgSaybBYKf6Jtpu/2ZrJoyDf26 JT/YqZbi5acSuXDirkrMysPpMf4Wf1/LYNk2+85eQ23CkOv3kfmLkvOzHlGBQ7UserWxzCTYTMvbK wH1cdjwmZ2cOnbhNLrm7quF8AzipAqGjWkF4XMg521JO/wCKF16ls1QUx62/dZn8hg7Q=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lD5R2-0002Ce-DP; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:03:07 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUgGBVVQCm1h0vv 4cT////s5sKAAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCEwwxAQpxRcAAAAGRSURBVDjLbZPrtYQw CITBCiA2IKSCNf33dnnl4TnXH7uaz8xMAAEAsIn9AjMyw3Eh9wKEDOR3BdoIgLaBQZDJ/oPfJ2i2 yOKaxD2BaXHK4VQaTwEXweC2A+8CyGoGBfx5jEG5VdRWiVam8eadqmaeiGuZxi/f0TEkSJhbpvIG 2/vDPIKDaQFw2e0GyyJjCM969WWR91z1gG0RJ3rnKRwQHFoLhAWmLpWJnZHALWaD6E4TO4mDB+du vMokpF5aIA4lFSuVKiL1qWXgyQa5LM/AXmF1JR+By6LwtQOrKYVMc4+qiu8Q4Gyy2C/BNiGoqE9j XFUJANlYUdlVyaVg1thnlz7Lh16rpiJqD1mVnCxL64MgTTna+M5emXbTvJ4yqbGpfo/omQdOb5QP uANQpTpAaO2vZ4NoNq+utr5ABC4hYNUFIvAcj8baJ/iYYEx9jdgxajndb43YpfkZz01mo1k8AviA PlSir1Yg+uzwZa+lnsA+yvjU2qzmAiy+IJxgudsMqb/tYmvgC5BNGCH8d+GR5Q+YxUi4JPu+VAAA ACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wMi0xOVQxMjo0OTowMSswMDowMCI1xp8AAAAldEVYdGRh dGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDItMTlUMTI6NDk6MDErMDA6MDBTaH4jAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _Lionheart_: "In The Warm Room" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:03:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:13:53 +0200") Message-ID: <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I suggest that we talk about mailing lists ahead of Usenet newsgroups in >> the FAQ, as mailing lists is likely to be the most common way of >> accessing Emacs discussions these days. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I suggest that we talk about mailing lists ahead of Usenet newsgroups in >> the FAQ, as mailing lists is likely to be the most common way of >> accessing Emacs discussions these days. Looks good to me. > I don't mind, but is it indeed so? I see at least some people here > use the news group. Some people do, but they seem to be in the minority. At least among those who post. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Sep 12 01:59:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46633: [PATCH] Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , 46633@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46633.161374530011259 (code B ref 46633); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 46633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 14:35:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD6s0-0002vW-KD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:35:00 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com ([209.85.221.51]:46646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD6rx-0002vI-S6 for 46633@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:35:00 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id t15so8763175wrx.13 for <46633@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:34:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version; bh=/Zmij6R1smjwlSP0hWteIlSo3UF7CWknYfK64GeP1Io=; b=moazKCGFj3WNtCwnkJn5FTq58bNG50PKlYP2YKxvLtuU9xBE7UKYshwXhflWtB96aP +Z6YbaIZP3oTi5C0o606yxol7qXpewLyz4tWOW2QGz+kUjWabQ+afzya5q343QV3oJs0 BS6rEh5/SEDpn0/mlLwaUiMcY1GJJ/13QjQwBHaot0VxGWcHJlxJYBoT5PJaWtkQ1N8V Ry2dOoDiakrQLt0X4JfBQB6NeCxRP6cK4qIY5prJpKAWAaF5PFine7nCn0KYsCmDHvHl FWUR8j0HdTrE9u2wQdooxqrQZ28K8Jo+VE4EoI9KEVzT6a5Di4tmoUACD4pYir9SWJRh LtyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version; bh=/Zmij6R1smjwlSP0hWteIlSo3UF7CWknYfK64GeP1Io=; b=jPPUOKk/L3QOge1GdEJ/1dBhdHYmAx7qGKn2MYk/hBv6Toaw8n7p+CmujMUbYPdIne TWoudahsHCgOuK5mMQC2qCA6CTnCziisCPWOy40sJD8OOPc5hm7AYjAT4u53EA+Kx48s YL2ITu1QYQ0jiL+C0zdRI3x69AWUovoNiM8F8hnGl70FFkXHucfVNd1tpGq9V2aPB260 jirYbby43EYYlRgYVYEIq5EIhZLTH93G45yOLqwCS/P3wc79P3wT4uGM84EJGny2kp2g 5OPtNp0NALMizcMwOsLtcSdF9kMszEQIdmCrDDzh2aZiOTweKmGc0JDZbf7Jl7d1cw4j PW+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532V6uXrIcrRCgTaRU1lyFFSyG/Rz24iaZFmJRveIKEMIw11eW/v vG77mAX/w1lHpRgFTeH4eS5zV3xwtAfNbg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtpTG0w9zK5exqNVoX0KpuKEKNM2mUrcJm+gIjTvW6XDfT8ejjGzcy08VuRz48wiZqdAuqIA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:dcc2:: with SMTP id x2mr9061491wrm.178.1613745291573; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:2154:6435:5293:4d19]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y16sm13188400wrw.46.2021.02.19.06.34.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim References: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:34:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:03:02 +0100") Message-ID: <875z2orur9.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:03:02 +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen said: Lars> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> I suggest that we talk about mailing lists ahead of Usenet newsgroups in >>> the FAQ, as mailing lists is likely to be the most common way of >>> accessing Emacs discussions these days. Lars> Looks good to me. >> I don't mind, but is it indeed so? I see at least some people here >> use the news group. Lars> Some people do, but they seem to be in the minority. At least among Lars> those who post. Some of use use gmane to read the list, and reply in email. Robert From unknown Fri Sep 12 01:59:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46633: [PATCH] Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Robert Pluim , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 46633@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46633.161374634112877 (code B ref 46633); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 46633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 14:52:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49054 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD78n-0003Ld-Ae for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:52:21 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]:43603) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD78m-0003LP-CG for 46633@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:52:20 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f177.google.com with SMTP id 17so188225pli.10 for <46633@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:52:20 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=suG1FuFp2nRLtbwcf4AmHOUb0xQRvWs4sUR4ygNLvtY=; b=V7riRj2c/SpXHF+9Lj1fgkVdJxTA0tArFxwT2bbwfnbPHaGjl19wTKLBdrtUOWJ9VN APRaD06R6LuEjudJodNJ3UVgtg2+KRSk6Dqs//m+uwhFW0Pxy6MRnbdevANE8ifnS44D j9/jEcDNGOey0yC3eoJa2mA45tLlG6Q+lytbBjZRAIQAo5eOyg35iQG3pOA7W8LLjw0i Gq42AoAlnu7tLys/4P3WBMgC2s4RyA2mgeC6R9wUDdRfezCLBfnbqMZCRYxW1C9hVnG7 K/zKplPcpq+s2iSoehfaLO0cvkkJH69rPuAIqCjdSTeseA/7HorR6cDgl7dLnThphHsT rBOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532p8OK+6Mx3/lJjetqoktz1Ypw3cFWsVvawiBLoJDi7f53mCl2J nVCVQBD308KTcS8wFc/6g/lpVcT14comCSKNvLU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyihVs4PE6wGl+9cLlWqDKF4lNtaE/plIfDAesjbtykh/tvLN3ffafUqHFe36qiv+qZiFhLymSxk7z4UsyJZrE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:ea8a:b029:e2:1526:91ef with SMTP id x10-20020a170902ea8ab02900e2152691efmr9461196plb.41.1613746334465; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 06:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:52:14 -0600 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <875z2orur9.fsf@gmail.com> References: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> <875z2orur9.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:52:14 -0600 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Robert Pluim writes: > >> I don't mind, but is it indeed so? I see at least some people here > >> use the news group. > > Lars> Some people do, but they seem to be in the minority. At least among > Lars> those who post. (That's my impression too.) > Some of use use gmane to read the list, and reply in email. IIRC, Gmane is just a (cool) hack to mirror mailing lists to a news server, so everyone can pretend they are reading news and get all the good stuff that comes with that. So Usenet newsgroup names don't apply to gmane, right? IOW, we could perhaps discuss Gmane in addition to Mailing lists or Usenet, but it would be discussed as its own, separate thing? (It's been a while since I used Gmane, sorry if I'm confused or confusing...) From unknown Fri Sep 12 01:59:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46633: [PATCH] Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Robert Pluim , Eli Zaretskii , 46633@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46633.161374691414908 (code B ref 46633); Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 46633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 15:01:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD7I1-0003sN-N2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:01:53 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:60902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lD7I0-0003s8-2O for 46633@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 10:01:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=f3+iIubNkZUJva1Mmx45cwve1G2y9d1RL4E1Or/qyag=; b=lkuqR96URs4S3mWr75oDcfrFyq K6XUh0S8UB00yYDTnMqiQesGAL3zx0PIp8bh/PTIXFcw8Mr6VTERz3ag2YWV5o0Cpuc+JHLEGoHFA 1sdo8P45bE9uG/ZASQb5KIt2yXYfkQuMoLOlB270wxE3tD3J+lhkn7fXzTd/b4FYoxNA=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lD7Ho-000338-6j; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:01:45 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> <875z2orur9.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAKlBMVEX+/v7XzuH08fWx kshZOodtT56caalZMlogDh9cNlSQVXPHfKW7lL////8myOJkAAAAAWJLR0QN9rRh9QAAAAd0SU1F B+UCEw47JLgerWMAAAFlSURBVDjL1dIxT8JAGAZg1MSJgfILKH+hybmwSbk425bEteGwwqbx2t2E 647Ad65i7LGzwEbidD/KayvxehJZ9Q3JNffke+9IW6v9j1hNy24dAtuyrdax6ROrkm84c/19PN+/ 1KDcDMrlB2B/0MvXawMwVXEHJniYMhUaDMyqmBVAzYl+CRNGDcDsKxNPh8AvTkizvK0y4RVNL/Jd jVQAF7Ae31ahXp6dbkexAaSo4uOP2Kzq5018c7d4ipn+B/s0vxWsoskDju81wNRVJQKAdjHWgSbz hKViwQGW3ccKwFs0WwNkwF97OgDno802ArXCSrtuAhyWoURXoKLBeZpvzMIdyvf1CQXzG0HCzgUT gmvAM5iRQKIQJdki1apAwDMJ5Y6QCJgOTGRzVSQRUS+sAjybEkdK5FEDQEHoOGjImH5GHbiYko6U zpCloN3qtJ1HPbT3D7/HVl9+02ocBPVrHC34C/kE+Fm/R2G7irIAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRl ADIwMjEtMDItMTlUMTQ6NTk6MzYrMDA6MDAIdv/vAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTAy LTE5VDE0OjU5OjM2KzAwOjAweStHUwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _Hounds of Love_: "Under Ice" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:01:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:52:14 -0600") Message-ID: <87zh00qey5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > IIRC, Gmane is just a (cool) hack to mirror mailing lists to a news > server, so everyone can pretend they are reading news and get all the > good stuff that comes with that. So Usenet newsgroup nam [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > IIRC, Gmane is just a (cool) hack to mirror mailing lists to a news > server, so everyone can pretend they are reading news and get all the > good stuff that comes with that. So Usenet newsgroup names don't apply > to gmane, right? Yes, there are no Usenet newsgroups on Gmane. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Fri Sep 12 01:59:02 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46633: [PATCH] Prefer mailing lists to newsgroups in FAQ Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii Cc: 46633@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46633.161399270132151 (code B ref 46633); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 46633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 11:18:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lE9EL-0008MU-9g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:18:21 -0500 Received: from mail-pg1-f173.google.com ([209.85.215.173]:34645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lE9EJ-0008MC-Ue for 46633@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:18:20 -0500 Received: by mail-pg1-f173.google.com with SMTP id o7so10023653pgl.1 for <46633@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 03:18:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4jZEeljWfEsPLEiJeZbSPyfwhg1TFLIZKTtsEOPjSrQ=; b=IOJW9CD6oG4GzwfcvHWdE4IRIL8nynHNb7BxuLj8mzSBj5fv8TpU+UnBNt6nK1eZmI jjU6UbKXRHcLJFii2Fpr3dr/66HnOtJBWU7+P8HOfo7393mKtIk6Nnd1TIfpwLBGyfYY RcTgla2z7C0HXooYe7/8VajSzZf5OhlDE5AJiswBTB6HCp6Ya3RV99wIn9sKyrnwI/Ek WTCJX9l1dHl4jGSdFaEV8gBTQVxlmLA76ks5K8UvzCEu9QCNZ+p4dAAhTJOJzG9liFwu sC+320QLG7OZZU4Nar3uQ4Y9fTnsnA80gSj6gQst4nNE8D7RiKnNCgrKDXD9zzVE2MKi GiLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5338plSoYYBfwphrAQc/tCT4UftlY9OodBJ4SlaN4V244ls0F0s3 6/wb1fWMPRobkiydhKGx3JFreZgkt34fX1mZlQc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxdqJD0zAYJbf/zcYPKkMt4fZWgnYzMWlEQE+qSu7AwEB8rI45bGighJQVDR8IPbz6u33Wc/R+tvOo0MzQtE/k= X-Received: by 2002:a63:6384:: with SMTP id x126mr19238550pgb.345.1613992694353; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 03:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 03:18:13 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83wnv42r26.fsf@gnu.org> <877dn4tdkp.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 03:18:13 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 46633 fixed close 46633 28.1 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> I suggest that we talk about mailing lists ahead of Usenet newsgroups in >>> the FAQ, as mailing lists is likely to be the most common way of >>> accessing Emacs discussions these days. > > Looks good to me. > >> I don't mind, but is it indeed so? I see at least some people here >> use the news group. > > Some people do, but they seem to be in the minority. At least among > those who post. Thanks for reviewing, now pushed to master as commit 331e49df45.