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28.0.50; Add convenient way to bypass Eshell's own pipelining

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Message #52 received at 46351 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 46351 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#46351: 28.0.50; Add convenient way to bypass Eshell's own
 pipelining
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 20:37:07 +0100

Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:

> Hello,

Hi Sean,

>> One to rule them all. As soon there is one *|, *< or *> in the command
>> line, everything is regarded external. Also commands like ls or cat,
>> which behave then like *ls or *cat.
>
> I see what you mean now, but I don't think either of these options would
> be desirable.  It would mean that you can't combine Lisp functions with
> external commands; for example
>
>     my-lisp-function arg1 arg2 | my-cool-encoder *>output.ogg
>
> In this case, the first | needs to use Eshell's own pipelining support.
>
> Similarly something like
>
>     buffer-string #<buffer ...> | my-cool-command *| other-cmd *>file
>
> Does that make sense?  Would you agree that this new feature needs to
> work only on individual pairs of commands?

If you want this complexity (external and internal pipelins and
stdin/stout redirection) in one command line, you must mark every single
such operator with an asterisk, which might be inconvenient. But you
have the eshell history, which gives you the command line including the
external asterisks, which let you edit the command prior reexecution.

Personally, I could live with both approaches. Your proposal with a
leading "||" is similar to my "one rules them all", because it changes
the meaning of all pipelines etc in a command line to be external.

Best regards, Michael.

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