From unknown Mon Aug 18 04:45:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46226: Item in .elc but not .el.gz and no note that original value was changed Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 07:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 46226 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 46226@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.161216399824915 (code B ref -1); Mon, 01 Feb 2021 07:20:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2021 07:19:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58611 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l6TV8-0006Th-BF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 02:19:58 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:58200) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l6TUr-0006T7-NA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 02:19:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l6TUr-0005Ao-HU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 02:19:41 -0500 Received: from crocodile.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.45]:20927) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l6TUp-0005HK-Ao for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 02:19:41 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E910323833 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 07:19:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-15-8.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.15.8]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CE99032397D for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 07:19:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.96.15.8 (trex/6.0.2); Mon, 01 Feb 2021 07:19:36 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Bottle-Average: 1e920c435dee95a2_1612163976049_2373150230 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1612163976049:3813517029 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1612163976049 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8864C8349F for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:19:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=jidanni.org; bh=PsOABGI7gfmZnrJ+4l roE0Tghzk=; b=M+yCXUVwmoe4V0qdTca/wECPrG9N8mv+wT92sfGPV1brDbHHhA EwHm4aVoz93ycOUG5bun81s8kAtuA3XHN2zVrM2IDv06sNyNLz6pKTdnG9PKbt1B HELqTh2dzZuxLimDbxjR849C1CWZ9F/ozFqsbqOMnzJ1NVfEhsibC2iq0= Received: from jidanni.org (220-140-7-168.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [220.140.7.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a71.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B9CB8348C for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 23:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a71 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 13:42:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87y2g8e43f.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.212.45; envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=crocodile.elm.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) C-h v runs the command describe-variable, which says: -------- gnus-summary-mode-hook is a variable defined in =E2=80=98gnus-sum.el=E2= =80=99. Its value is (ffap-gnus-hook) This variable may be risky if used as a file-local variable. Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 19.32. Documentation: Hook run after entering Summary mode. No problems result if this variable is not bound. =E2=80=98add-hook=E2=80=99 automatically binds it. (This is true for = all hook variables.) -------- However: $ dlocate --filename-only gnus-sum | xargs grep -ca gnus-summary-mode-hoo= k /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.elc:4 /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el.gz:0 So it is in the .elc, but not the .el.gz! Poking further: --------- gnus-parameters is a variable defined in =E2=80=98gnus.el=E2=80=99. Its value is (("^nndoc:"... Original value was nil ------------------- No mention of the Original value of gnus-summary-mode-hook either, so one assumes the Original value was not changed. Therefore instead of only mentioning the Original value when one is changed, "Original value not changed." should also appear in opposite cases, "so no doubt is left." From unknown Mon Aug 18 04:45:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46226: Item in .elc but not .el.gz and no note that original value was changed Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46226 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Cc: 46226@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46226-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46226.16121701148803 (code B ref 46226); Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 46226) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2021 09:01:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l6V5m-0002Hd-8q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 04:01:54 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l6V5j-0002BI-VL for 46226@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 04:01:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=o21VuUXv+M9ZooW/FvoL6ZcUXTSfyRuzNSUrDZ+JzCg=; b=rQGbR5OQG9Cwd/CRR3hXwSUSt7 s008qrpGQ6zSJ+ysaMXqYTyYdgA2+1NYWcxlVKy40AAcUsFuLqO7xRGsszv/YKPdxuIbZekCz2bsZ d2x2cnbFgJD9nlIXKq0zaDfoljpJ6Ao1ahmF1nN03eNWSRC9PuCJ5JV/4GRNsYyFkOxw=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l6V5b-0007Hg-59; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:01:45 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87y2g8e43f.5.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Now-Playing: Normil Hawaiians's _What's Going On?_: "Free Tibet" Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:01:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y2g8e43f.5.fsf@jidanni.org> ("=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 01 Feb 2021 13:42:28 +0800") Message-ID: <87y2g8qhzd.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson writes: > However: > $ dlocate --filename-only gnus-sum | xargs grep -ca gnus-summary-mode-hook > /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.elc:4 > /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el.gz:0 > So it is i [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > However: > $ dlocate --filename-only gnus-sum | xargs grep -ca gnus-summary-mode-hook > /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.elc:4 > /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/gnus/gnus-sum.el.gz:0 > So it is in the .elc, but not the .el.gz! It's defined by `define-derived-mode'. 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Content preview: tags 46226 notabug close 46226 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 46226 notabug close 46226 quit From unknown Mon Aug 18 04:45:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#46226: Item in .elc but not .el.gz and no note that original value was changed In-Reply-To: <87y2g8e43f.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 17:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46226 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 46226@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 46226-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46226.161219874312544 (code B ref 46226); Mon, 01 Feb 2021 17:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 46226) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2021 16:59:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33010 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l6cXW-0003GF-A1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 11:59:03 -0500 Received: from dormouse.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.50]:35701) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l6cXT-0003Fo-1m for 46226@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Feb 2021 11:59:01 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7CD2111B; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 16:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-11-12.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.11.12]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 37EE220A7C; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 16:42:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.96.11.12 (trex/6.0.2); Mon, 01 Feb 2021 16:42:14 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-White-Snatch: 4a579aa9240ef27d_1612197734269_3998279651 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1612197734269:4133459292 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1612197734268 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F6A83228; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:42:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=/HYgLMN6lDLVByscM3ZLbGTGlqQ=; b=d+0IXyQBHqfCL A914eSZjRqD4GzYvgLoNwbeQI2W7Qr3GMuEY3ttc0g4iXRqDBQ5ICujquFXIwron Aud4Z+imFQmtc4PJlDIpwuHdENKpIXS6OMEGsxrb059BNu6nnoFzSGArtNCclOop eTc+fZufOzVIYdJhyZqC6L3Fd2yYzE= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-24-170.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.24.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F8AC7E3BB; Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:42:07 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a5 From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson References: <87y2g8e43f.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87y2g8qhzd.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 00:42:03 +0800 Message-ID: <87lfc7n3j8.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Well the result is *Help* shows links that send users on wild goose chases half the time.