From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:02:51 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#45779 <45779@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#45779 <45779@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize filenames Reply-To: bug#45779 <45779@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:02:51 +0000 retitle 45779 Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize fi= lenames reassign 45779 emacs submitter 45779 =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson severity 45779 minor tag 45779 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 06:36:07 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 11:36:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kyvUV-0000SZ-ET for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:36:07 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kyvUU-0000SS-EU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:36:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48932) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kyvUU-0005Lr-7Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:36:06 -0500 Received: from fossa.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.62]:50952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kyvUP-0008T7-69 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:36:05 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13433481A67 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-27-97.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.27.97]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 85CC34818C9 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:35:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.11); Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:35:54 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Hook-Decisive: 40493e961c657acd_1610364953752_1235770055 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1610364953752:2428716060 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1610364953752 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48311BA3C7 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 03:35:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=BaMj3sjtps52d+l9dwqs6nFRyc0=; b=ZIg4fqJWUCbmDxbB 9W4eVvoE76AYAP9KztTZvyToi6SexX5/9D+cYcZsKIUONQ7GlV+ckwgMT8BMfFbC Nrv28VI+j+I1vPy5Jtms+K+2yJP/WMrjJAGKUCqtyY6RapYyUwqRoBzh6g8Y3U1E 6w83/1cxpiAbRAXi0qbg0Ux2T88= Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-16-129.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.16.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a23.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C06FDBA106 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 03:35:52 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a23 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize filenames Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:35:48 +0800 Message-ID: <87sg77ln8r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.209.62; envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=fossa.birch.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) $ echo http://example.com > /tmp/z $ emacs -nw -q /tmp/z Now do M-x ffap Now delete the URL that it is prompting us with. Now enter ~/.em Tab doesn't complete .emacs!! You see, it "still has its brain convinced we are entering URLs". Even though it prompts "Find file or URL:"! And we already cleaned the URL completely from the minibuffer. ESC x ;; execute-extended-command f ;; self-insert-command f ;; self-insert-command a ;; self-insert-command p ;; self-insert-command RET ;; minibuffer-complete-and-exit DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char DEL ;; delete-backward-char ~ ;; self-insert-command / ;; self-insert-command . ;; self-insert-command e ;; self-insert-command m ;; self-insert-command TAB ;; self-insert-command TAB ;; self-insert-command TAB ;; self-insert-command TAB ;; self-insert-command C-g ;; abort-recursive-edit C-h l ;; view-lossage True, I didn't try "file:///" (but shouldn't have to.) emacs-version "27.1" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 10:29:40 2021 Received: (at 45779) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 15:29:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kyz8W-0007QN-18 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:29:40 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54244) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kyz8H-0007Pj-P5 for 45779@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:29:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rDtdS7So9pPkj8ql+VxT1toJnpDN0jXs9wHGNEyh1j4=; b=cfhMaBZNooIcYSHznZoj+BUcok oP8Z9M0oNCGRIGpXSmjHtDWbRwnGeXVChsAlWWmNK2fKLoh9gmsB/ueHGMf8i5NiU5jg05G8gQhHU k+Avaq1vxSZne4LsXjvzlKKcFTZ6UgZ/V3NSDK7saYNf1fk8fiuGgV9K1p+MLMmIKOes=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kyz88-0008Kn-IJ; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:29:18 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#45779: Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize filenames References: <87sg77ln8r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Now-Playing: Felix Da Housecat's _Kittenz and The Glitz_: "Sequel2Sub" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:29:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87sg77ln8r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:35:48 +0800") Message-ID: <87zh1ffq5w.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > $ echo http://example.com > /tmp/z > $ emacs -nw -q /tmp/z > Now do M-x ffap > Now delete the URL that it is prompting us with. > Now enter ~/.em > Tab doesn't complete .emacs!! Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45779 Cc: 45779@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > $ echo http://example.com > /tmp/z > $ emacs -nw -q /tmp/z > Now do M-x ffap > Now delete the URL that it is prompting us with. > Now enter ~/.em > Tab doesn't complete .emacs!! ffap is a guessing system, and it calls `read-string' when it guesses that you want to enter an URL. And even if you delete the URL, that doesn't magically change back to calling `read-file-name'. So I think the answer here is "don't do that, then"? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 10:29:32 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 15:29:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kyz8N-0007Q3-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:29:31 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kyz8L-0007Pq-La for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 10:29:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=r8KMq+LTfxc9mZl+KhAzVg6FXh2N948Y7es1EhdRO4U=; b=UNzqWCIjcOg+Ba1e/w17qXS7Sb n4eRfcys+jUT6JKI/0umBrEOF4uyqge2nn1kSIbY/BlvEyXlCD02tP77thZfL0BhTPZOnGHekyZJH y9YR5kl5YN43C2cHxyIlJq/QoNXojzm9ENGiPeF1Yf4DCwy86HfjNvdU2kRbwbQLhlRE=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kyz8D-0008Kw-WB for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:29:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:29:21 +0100 Message-Id: <87y2gzfq5q.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #45779 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: severity 45779 minor quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) severity 45779 minor quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 17:32:37 2021 Received: (at 45779) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 22:32:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5jp-0008Sj-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:32:37 -0500 Received: from eastern.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.55]:5858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5jl-0008SY-S5 for 45779@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:32:36 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0677E0BF8; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (100-98-118-100.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.98.118.100]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9A0717E2C6A; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:32:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.11); Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:32:31 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Whimsical-Whimsical: 5075cb821a6fb4d3_1610404351873_2165418474 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1610404351873:1240062803 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1610404351873 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C45C7F6BD; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 14:32:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=xgGAFvK3o5581sO1BRdXWZUql5c=; b=MVLQKMFo2nDRx 5vWDA+OrOcE3QdrH6wLyfsw00ZaeJqEf1TNlq8g+HctBbsUpglQ3d81EUrijkdss NYR1LsGfICjJO0ZKN28b7AWZeX2TdrfYdgGAEqrE/Zfv+YS4pbjizGeFCKa+wt1V vWwkqvXwa4mOU7rPNuOUi1Q9wpDqm8= Received: from jidanni.org (114-46-57-246.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.46.57.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61CA7895EB; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 14:32:30 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a62 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#45779: Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize filenames References: <87sg77ln8r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zh1ffq5w.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:32:25 +0800 Message-ID: <87eeirxfye.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45779 Cc: 45779@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: LI> So I think the answer here is "don't do that, then"? I was just making a reproducible case for you. The usual case is: for FFAP users: Let's say the cursor is sitting on top of a URL. Or say a file full of URLs. Now there is no way to expand filenames! Sure, one could remember to do C-u C-x C-f etc. But that isn't natural. What is natural is if we clean up the whole minibuffer, then FFAP should reset its thinking. Or, at least not prompt us with the "lie" of "File or URL..." when it is already in "URL expansion only mode"... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 17:39:18 2021 Received: (at 45779) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 22:39:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58593 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5qI-0000DR-BD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:39:18 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57814) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5qG-0000Cd-Em for 45779@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:39:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=DgOzA/opcOn9COS84RSOJ0u4i6zm1sFtebMfaezWsVE=; b=l81XX/sLFbxLHDAxPIgQBHwhkp Sn4iid1dOKWerNuD0gJZh+j/BTJ56YjmznXFyUPo7VgE9989gWI+h/DeLh1zS1eumABM5QTDvYA6O 3kvKRHeyI//Kkx8wjYPb8l+hm48U9IEn6jPW89Vl35qiZkWb++bcKKNaM70zVOh+2erA=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5q6-0003pR-AI; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:39:08 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#45779: Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize filenames References: <87sg77ln8r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zh1ffq5w.fsf@gnus.org> <87eeirxfye.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEVVTFksIyx+dYar oawPCQvo3dn////XhQeTAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+UBCxYlJkJpBPgAAAG+SURBVDjL ddNB1qMgDADgiHYPygEU6t7KY086HOCf8XH/q0yCCnT6hkX7ytcECAE6xQPaYQwIBzryQKU6FZsh YOAvjunaedUAtBD7DHl+aOfR8m+alyA+4O0IMAeY5SPCwcIRFGDMxxqWAE/4N+J5Lm3svQYibRzF Nyjc6BNg4UydkkZfIGf+T8hAUtOPzj0pFwxcQ90sCza9KF8GaCDAmn4izl+A0h4/vN2BT9FADErN MSTovkCPGxYY6i1NevxTABarK8gD3xeIxZWqT8/HEfoMVMHZlYhfh0/W37CbCimPDGCc+g/Yuazx vmA4wRcI7gN4V0EO3xF8jml/ctnrGvKKWBODtC0YyPDi8hp/p6KS5H5b0+8mFYPWwdBB3mfEWhfX o+659P0F6wVGhy3wM8iNM6VkD38QyF0HN5TbCintxlMn4pvAdLK8D0rkD4Zxi/T3cPeu4N067t3p haBUvC/3QfNHhnEhqM3wyAEZhjBXQF8ipMa59s95PsdPTdIxKug+HzxDxL0AzqKA0Hi2QqAz4n5f lGYQebNo91kcFSBiPB8U2s0n6W/oYqBnlJtBCn/sBXQGrriKo3fuhL8siN5WakK6ZQAAACV0RVh0 ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wMS0xMVQyMjozNzozNyswMDowMFS87UsAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9k aWZ5ADIwMjEtMDEtMTFUMjI6Mzc6MzcrMDA6MDAl4VX3AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: AR Kane's _Single Collection (2)_: "Pop (Short Version) " Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:39:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87eeirxfye.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:32:25 +0800") Message-ID: <87turnayk7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > The usual case is: for FFAP users: Let's say the cursor is sitting on > top of a URL. Or say a file full of URLs. > > Now there is no way to expand filenames! Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45779 Cc: 45779@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > The usual case is: for FFAP users: Let's say the cursor is sitting on > top of a URL. Or say a file full of URLs. > > Now there is no way to expand filenames! Indeed, because you've asked Emacs to guess based on what's under point. > Sure, one could remember to do C-u C-x C-f etc. > > But that isn't natural. Why not? > What is natural is if we clean up the whole minibuffer, then FFAP should > reset its thinking. What if the user deleted the contents because they wanted to type in a different URL? > Or, at least not prompt us with the "lie" of "File or URL..." when it is > already in "URL expansion only mode"... You can type in a file name and it'll be opened. I don't see anything to fix here; closing. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 17:39:27 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 22:39:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5qQ-0000EI-Rp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:39:27 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57828) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5qP-0000Da-8D for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:39:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FGn9ypBQJ2UsZq0wqvDEodLMWUvM3u2fIKIEkJoCcF4=; b=XXez/ciDNy8VpxwwOFeTF+/bV3 RvDkoullEUWg2b/R/8oh9WV0z1DJJf5E/MDpKhjt4e6oyKn7NF2PfWQNI/2K2DjoL3wTuoNwpMZ64 bywEyGHENTsr2deaoE2EII8deMD+P/VQ7sfjBUcyxOdmaomN7TfX7lkZp2jE3M4H0MQY=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kz5qH-0003pZ-9a for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:39:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 23:39:16 +0100 Message-Id: <87sg77ayjv.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #45779 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 45779 notabug close 45779 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 45779 notabug close 45779 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 11 17:53:58 2021 Received: (at 45779) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2021 22:53:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz64U-0002em-B8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:53:58 -0500 Received: from antelope.elm.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.212.4]:49714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kz64R-0002ec-5g for 45779@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:53:56 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9831E3998; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (100-105-161-28.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.105.161.28]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4F9031E3A73; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:53:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.11); Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:53:53 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Tangy-Inform: 2111be8330087491_1610405632446_3645742234 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1610405632446:2572610551 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1610405632445 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB013895EB; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 14:53:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=5O8ZKlzEfFKShDM+1gYpWqZQ1bA=; b=iyg/i2Fe32mKw mP6UOxsRTLXlRv+/FM8iOqw1S4FNbwO/nRG6zA9nBPzsqIFw3XwZ2HdJvcbAqG3a b0QT10SmBDfE7p23HWGQIRaI7lAwRVT/QlazOSg5OusaduJwxQLjZHJtixGRVnxt 7fJDPpaxrcBLYnJ6/h86IZnWN4z4MU= Received: from jidanni.org (114-46-57-246.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.46.57.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a62.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 577B489E4E; Mon, 11 Jan 2021 14:53:49 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a62 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#45779: Once FFAP sniffs a URL, its taste buds no longer recognize filenames References: <87sg77ln8r.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87zh1ffq5w.fsf@gnus.org> <87eeirxfye.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87turnayk7.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 06:53:45 +0800 Message-ID: <8735z7xeyu.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45779 Cc: 45779@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "LI" == Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Sure, one could remember to do C-u C-x C-f etc. >> >> But that isn't natural. LI> Why not? Because the computer should be smarter than needing that. We have cleaned up the minibuffer. So, just like the prompt (always) says, we should be able to enter a filename (and have it expanded._ >> What is natural is if we clean up the whole minibuffer, then FFAP should >> reset its thinking. LI> What if the user deleted the contents because they wanted to type in a LI> different URL? They could just type in the URL fine in that case. >> Or, at least not prompt us with the "lie" of "File or URL..." when it is >> already in "URL expansion only mode"... LI> You can type in a file name and it'll be opened. Ah, but not TAB expanded. All of the sudden it's like (year) 1967 and MS-DOS. LI> I don't see anything to fix here; closing. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:02:51 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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