From david.reitter@gmail.com Sun Sep 27 08:50:52 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Sep 2009 15:50:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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It shouldn't do that (it's non-standard). What seems to happen is that the frame is raised (in front of desktop level) by the system before windowDidBecomeKey: is received. I tried keeping the frame hidden in this case, for example via a call to x_make_frame_invisible (emacsframe) in windowDidBecomeKey:, but the result was that the menus become non-responsive (menuDown: isn't called at all!) until some frame is made visible. A fix or a pointer to what could be wrong with the menu issue would probably help me produce a fix. From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Sat Oct 17 05:23:33 2009 Received: (at 4566) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Oct 2009 12:23:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(2.sub-75-223-193.myvzw.com [75.223.193.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1473675yxe.12.2009.10.17.05.23.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:23:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Adrian Robert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:23:23 -0400 Message-Id: <867877FF-02A7-46D8-BA7E-B9862806B62D@gmail.com> Cc: David Reitter To: 4566@debbugs.gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) set severity 'minor' stop http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4566 They should probably stay invisible, but OTOH I'm not sure how much user's expectations will be upset by this as I can't think of another Mac app that lets users make windows "invisible". On what basis are you saying it is "non-standard"? From david.reitter@gmail.com Sat Oct 17 05:27:13 2009 Received: (at 4566) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Oct 2009 12:27:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(cpe-69-203-157-60.si.res.rr.com [69.203.157.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1475880yxe.12.2009.10.17.05.27.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: David Reitter In-Reply-To: <867877FF-02A7-46D8-BA7E-B9862806B62D@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:27:03 -0400 Cc: 4566@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8E2F92F1-A801-408E-8009-C1CE5DCA4988@gmail.com> References: <867877FF-02A7-46D8-BA7E-B9862806B62D@gmail.com> To: Adrian Robert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Adrian Robert wrote: > > They should probably stay invisible, but OTOH I'm not sure how much > user's expectations will be upset by this as I can't think of > another Mac app that lets users make windows "invisible". On what > basis are you saying it is "non-standard"? Every other app lets users delete all frames, but not so Emacs. Therefore, hiding a frame (or the last frame) serves as a proxy for deleting. That's what makes the present behavior unexpected. - D From adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Sat Oct 17 05:41:46 2009 Received: (at 4566) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Oct 2009 12:41:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(2.sub-75-223-193.myvzw.com [75.223.193.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1073393pxi.6.2009.10.17.05.41.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Adrian Robert In-Reply-To: <8E2F92F1-A801-408E-8009-C1CE5DCA4988@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:41:34 -0400 Cc: 4566@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <55E0F225-6D79-401F-A166-1B859D035E60@gmail.com> References: <867877FF-02A7-46D8-BA7E-B9862806B62D@gmail.com> <8E2F92F1-A801-408E-8009-C1CE5DCA4988@gmail.com> To: David Reitter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:27 AM, David Reitter wrote: > On Oct 17, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Adrian Robert wrote: >> >> They should probably stay invisible, but OTOH I'm not sure how much >> user's expectations will be upset by this as I can't think of >> another Mac app that lets users make windows "invisible". On what >> basis are you saying it is "non-standard"? > > Every other app lets users delete all frames, but not so Emacs. > Therefore, hiding a frame (or the last frame) serves as a proxy for > deleting. That's what makes the present behavior unexpected. I dunno, that sounds a bit like a hack. Maybe the fix is to let emacs exist without a frame on this platform, but if that's too much of a break with OTHER platforms (and it might be, at least for implementation reasons), then perhaps it should just be lived with. I don't like the idea of supporting invisible frames under NS _at all_. (In fact, whoever came up with that feature (which is not standard on ANY platform, while all support iconification or something similar) to begin with should be questioned intensively by the police, but that's another issue.. ;-) From rgm@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 13:46:47 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2009 21:46:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:b188:2706:1206:eea]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t191sm3373715wmt.36.2017.09.25.09.00.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:00:21 +0100 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Alan Third Subject: control message for bug #4566 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) severity 4566 wishlist From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 16:12:07 2021 Received: (at 4566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 21:12:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtcKF-0006QM-9N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 16:12:07 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:41478) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtcKD-0006PE-4W for 4566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 16:12:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=614RfCzu598FtAnMvHftVEHf4SNRz4PcU8Yaw563sx4=; b=mhRC/6tp81y4luVojAizlObMqU 4xQf5on5k9dsGn6lh+a1uEk/TTJhWTXsZRZARt8HD8Z2P1A6ErQ9WbNAlEqnJh5hQJ9SqoOJYuSnh SxJJ4kXrdyvTV/+vbJgVZqS+E5bkr64C39+FM22YSX5Vd/S9J6vQO+cu+kWLh24pXeWs=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtcK5-0000X6-0I; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:11:59 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: David Reitter Subject: Re: bug#4566: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching References: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: King Crimson's _USA_: "21st Century Schizoid Man" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:11:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> (David Reitter's message of "Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:50:40 -0400") Message-ID: <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: David Reitter writes: > When starting up the NS port (trunk, on OS X 10.6.1), and then hiding > the frame: > > (make-frame-invisible nil t) > > and then switching away and back to Emacs (Command-Tab, Command-Tab), > the fr [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4566 Cc: Alan Third , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) David Reitter writes: > When starting up the NS port (trunk, on OS X 10.6.1), and then hiding > the frame: > > (make-frame-invisible nil t) > > and then switching away and back to Emacs (Command-Tab, Command-Tab), > the frame magically re-appears. > It shouldn't do that (it's non-standard). (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) This behaviour is still present in Emacs 29, and it does seem to be non-standard (i.e., other Macos programs don't seem to do this?) Perhaps Alan has an opinion here; added to the CCs. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 16:51:54 2021 Received: (at 4566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 21:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtcwj-0003ZG-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 16:51:54 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:50519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtcwi-0003Z3-Af for 4566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 16:51:53 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FEFF857; Sat, 4 Dec 2021 21:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1638654705; bh=0KJSGX9EWqewlTBhjS1Td1OfispQB94H4g3vi6/DWog=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=J/qKawhiW5M+2Ydnc47imh9c8aTroHD3Tspdvi1x2sRPfF6FAxVtCEOB8T77Qv/rL 9bONUEFOGceDr7ndPjX/yt1IunOOVgKrw+/wQhGUiIqCcfZ9MVU7+dp7dlfwD5gHRw JTjigxY0+odfzVLl/ee9Ag6E1JYqXJe4AKsWOkCRAOZAMUIOlJNaipg61X4l74SDv7 NMvFwi5Zc7gWJu2zJ5F9oOGJMsOMzehHwhvZtxYOmnbNdyMsDBphgr9qp/Oua49tgZ DUNOClAbQvw+TFKUOvNjbY82TOYCcypM2eQiT4T4DlEhlbbFFH4WzPlJ4EaQkGkS5Q 1iA6pwnZX6mOg== Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtcwY-00161i-N7; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 21:51:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 21:51:42 +0000 From: Alan Third To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#4566: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Lars Ingebrigtsen , David Reitter , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org References: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4566 Cc: David Reitter , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 10:11:56PM +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > David Reitter writes: > > > When starting up the NS port (trunk, on OS X 10.6.1), and then hiding > > the frame: > > > > (make-frame-invisible nil t) > > > > and then switching away and back to Emacs (Command-Tab, Command-Tab), > > the frame magically re-appears. > > It shouldn't do that (it's non-standard). > > (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved > at the time.) > > This behaviour is still present in Emacs 29, and it does seem to be > non-standard (i.e., other Macos programs don't seem to do this?) > > Perhaps Alan has an opinion here; added to the CCs. I don't believe other macOS applications let you make arbitrary windows "invisible" like Emacs does. Minimising windows and "hiding" the application work exactly like other macOS apps I've tried. As far as I can tell we don't do anything particularly unusual. Hidden windows other than the last selected one don't magically reappear, so I suspect what we're seeing is macOS bringing the "main" window to the front when we switch to the application. We can't resign the main window, afaik. I suppose we could just delete the windows completely when we make them invisible instead of just, y'know, making them invisible. -- Alan Third From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 16:55:21 2021 Received: (at 4566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 21:55:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55531 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtd05-0003eh-D4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 16:55:21 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:41988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtd03-0003eN-CD for 4566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 16:55:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lWYMd8kY8oq7VugXAMkV22fO622qc3iUTxb8eoG2024=; b=S25w9sEu3STxBo3NqS7GJPSgEL gDmWTifdmJm9M6Un1gb3jR73P1YY/l0jMMC+iKn2ono5kHfWZtciiar+7bZzUzS+bjysVh+BslbNo xfNb3itw1Za4vT1n9LXHZzHaXgey8V/yuNPB2SzmQ7RTXRmLX0+7YLSAvDD2HS3QO5Gw=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtczu-0000qv-9G; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:55:12 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Alan Third Subject: Re: bug#4566: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching References: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEV9fmOGhYlNTUx2 dhCCgRWAfhOvx8b///8EnAsbAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBBUvMO7nM50AAAGsSURB VDjLdZJbkuMgDEUFU9XfwArgUvnvQbCBuLKBxux/KyORdAd73DeOLesg9MBkvDfOeSJ5+pfUICIn f0PfcvNuPM0lbl4Hkf9FJ2CugfPJmUvgUkhnEGRpoPg/sEnhNSDnL4GBDMBegATyFJJbgCN4GyPB 2JDgfZLCBQQbIqyFNYgKjOwJI8BCZRGD3G2SLAEhkXn6nwyEiBiD/Cj++KMToMtSEJPE8Q0wwXwo sO+9NMcE0QqQamf4M0pDnKYjyEHOvFN/vdcKgKo5DBcx+RMxi5G5yHiYPmFj+xLQFELBV/xwmQpY lDtzUYPnq6SixvvG3Iaodx5D/bIK1LDd1N9H51XEKFm8U4t/UJVCtvryt5+wRnwH7vmhCVYJkALv eJTGJ6A9F9Ryk4i2gj9zFBXo7RBEPSNDr8oNC5IGc9aJ4MYV2wr2nFGkhMZ1rYC4yqTKXtB6le0W 0HYBTWZZ8glIx5v0v8lWBzAnqifSdpzB4L4h93KsSme+j54fteQDGC/1VnK/AkNa3d7jojEW0uex vpIvQOu7Alpee4N3Ejl5Hoc+nh9P4/Vz+AcsorMXoWMPvwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAy MS0xMi0wNFQyMTo0Nzo0OCswMDowMAcORkwAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMTItMDRU MjE6NDc6NDgrMDA6MDB2U/7wAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _The Hissing Of Summer Lawns_: "Shadows And Light" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:55:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Alan Third's message of "Sat, 4 Dec 2021 21:51:42 +0000") Message-ID: <87ee6syr0i.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Alan Third writes: > I don't believe other macOS applications let you make arbitrary > windows "invisible" like Emacs does. Minimising windows and "hiding" > the application work exactly like other macOS apps I've tried [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4566 Cc: David Reitter , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Alan Third writes: > I don't believe other macOS applications let you make arbitrary > windows "invisible" like Emacs does. Minimising windows and "hiding" > the application work exactly like other macOS apps I've tried. Ah, right. > We can't resign the main window, afaik. I suppose we could just delete > the windows completely when we make them invisible instead of just, > y'know, making them invisible. I think that'd be even more unexpected. 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Content preview: close 4566 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 4566 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 17:03:43 2021 Received: (at 4566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 22:03:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtd8B-00066Q-Hz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 17:03:43 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.126.228]:50961) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtd88-00065w-1N for 4566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 17:03:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65DA5857; Sat, 4 Dec 2021 22:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.138]) by soverin.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1638655412; bh=wOsUwuDfO2UkumWSNPmkQrHRoYuR4KXE5C590eGvu5A=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=FvmK2Sstb9EvD2mh+DWeS2HbUfnZp2IgadTw18KBcMuflGuPZPhb9OvP95Kb3BdNK oX/Br9ESgVaJOjlTo178JflDdXA6GllBM1uyMMt8W0Clc/XPFWbP6QKcFg8c5ef28a Gw21SwQG8525zxcl+UzN8uqRaVVuuCUmdCDLRhsWgd1HoEZ6ZY0qRMXej1ambCZCM9 +b93cuVFVnUVA4nrLM6g/i7J5mhJR9TUeLT+wc+QSm35KXXcEnjB576YGB3LptCmCI n5cLosKu8BgWF/jPABbI4mamb4qb/WmJNzWCmsfwNhJZylv/DARBG1lfx3JdUygct+ 6NKh0Vu3L25HQ== Received: from alan by faroe.holly.idiocy.org with local (Exim 4.95-RC2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtd7y-0016B7-28; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 22:03:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 22:03:30 +0000 From: Alan Third To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#4566: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Lars Ingebrigtsen , David Reitter , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org References: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6syr0i.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ee6syr0i.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4566 Cc: David Reitter , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 10:55:09PM +0100, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Alan Third writes: > > > I don't believe other macOS applications let you make arbitrary > > windows "invisible" like Emacs does. Minimising windows and "hiding" > > the application work exactly like other macOS apps I've tried. > > Ah, right. > > > We can't resign the main window, afaik. I suppose we could just delete > > the windows completely when we make them invisible instead of just, > > y'know, making them invisible. > > I think that'd be even more unexpected. It may not be as unexpected as you think. macOS windows are made up of multiple components and when we change between various states, like switching to fullscreen, we destroy the old NSWindow, create a new one and then apply the old NSView to it. Maybe not quite in that order. :D It may be possible to just remove the NSWindow when we make a frame invisible and hang onto the NSView. It might not be practical, and I'm not sure if it will really make any difference. I suspect David wanted to make the frame invisible as a work-around for the bug we fixed recently where when the last frame was closed the menus and dock icon were visible but failed to respond. -- Alan Third From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 17:14:03 2021 Received: (at 4566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 22:14:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55601 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtdIB-0006O8-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 17:14:03 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42324) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtdI9-0006NP-6I for 4566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 17:14:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=G2fyeRFettYbSoxMSQ6hTTFa4H74Tvio0KRKwCS0CS8=; b=lYMG3hAGT84eJBESgEZPQ7BvTp WqPWDtroHL+BW0N5SGrx4cWA6sJf4FpdYLFDi6sqbg8YdyUkQ7R8o4ZIUnhpGWkuURENeBumyMJk+ SEK3o081ep2zx8L/mBhUE+0/+AB1LEtyzsGf9Vjubuqi/6Uqp2OLjMuylUFBkThHKKZ4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtdI0-00010Z-Mw; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 23:13:55 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Alan Third Subject: Re: bug#4566: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching References: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6syr0i.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEXNqF30y1yZe22+ yb5tiVZWXU////+Xfhi4AAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBBU7FhJEYTUAAAG2SURBVDjL ddTBkuIgEAZgQL2TzAskbbhnEuc+YnPfytLv/yr7d0DLlCzRsuSDTkOTGNu1myngcdnDGIOvM8Po Bk+md866wbmhQu8AY0/aOiLnxgodoiCWN2j4wd8K60ezTVge63cTblsbHv+BJbdh4cTtGSyyrfdP oAnw0wDJgNCARQR2b2WVQC24oV/GT/gRCU24TYSrwvS+jIUCxbGUVpiv64rPOrhAFOK1rNwjc8pR 4sRESYFqKOJIQppNpEg0vSBynHTFQYgwCVwrOKWoqyotYv70hKzjRTdpS0yccoVQB2+230Q4p208 wp/vPifJKBUOpbHe1H5ytoDsgOsJ5u85M2NFbL013vpyg41snAGsMzpAtwPRYL7OJ+FQQPfKl35s 1fmROKQXdFGP+WmHi4T0m1kriHxJ4ygs8SZB77KDBeD8azFmXlIugH4kbCqsCpB0R7qasrYvRFrT oAtU0JubeT6VSNeLbjM7uds9q1fB8w37IXyW3+4Il0fSLeT9wL3DLBMCcd4LZY6vA03Tap85ytsY gO6XPcwrsD/2g30OrPGNcRrVemdf/fscM5hDK+8LlPUfuWmwd0aU4E4AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3Jl YXRlADIwMjEtMTItMDRUMjE6NTk6MjIrMDA6MDC6Vv/2AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIx LTEyLTA0VDIxOjU5OjIyKzAwOjAwywtHSgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: The Maytals's _This Is Reggae Music_: "Funky Kingston" Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 23:13:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Alan Third's message of "Sat, 4 Dec 2021 22:03:30 +0000") Message-ID: <87czmcxbkx.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Alan Third writes: > I suspect David wanted to make the frame invisible as a work-around > for the bug we fixed recently where when the last frame was closed the > menus and dock icon were visible but failed to respond. 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Yes, sounds likely. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 21:02:56 2021 Received: (at 4566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 02:02:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55885 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtgrf-0006jp-Vm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 21:02:56 -0500 Received: from mail-yb1-f181.google.com ([209.85.219.181]:45848) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtgre-0006jb-BG for 4566@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 21:02:54 -0500 Received: by mail-yb1-f181.google.com with SMTP id x32so20767069ybi.12 for <4566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 18:02:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AxhwKCPvpXVmTSIYCVIA2LJ1fXWN17045YuccQgw+3g=; b=hIGZP2YiAjzvyr1tAOz5YccCkpXJAtDXl/eHPWEoNiLLcoiEVK9rSl4P+kvIpYqHn8 +S4soYGsCHk8LzvNHCN4WwWPVMCWPY+dJKGaGYCh3UZF1ur7VNQBMVTSgqbqrHE6LDlU nx2jDcBdkKKyP28PtRrnMXuBh7ufaUqtqDORtGnxHE6hTINzFN8MHrr6wjhrV+12lJkk PlwAhsY8VKzcFntTq8zkEwRO9E/80b85/LTQv4U9JrHlPf/t9QL5hOLeZNICNowlnWwH 9m6l9PsVccoBWRoSiPLhk5v1O17hgb03xXA7IeKAlAQfLNqUUX5+Ek3rVQr6JauDGeND +PYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AxhwKCPvpXVmTSIYCVIA2LJ1fXWN17045YuccQgw+3g=; b=P7bq+Evo1yU2IWqUmz3MXrWWVFu6IpAGcIbXj7gLWFf6C4ZR0M0KxKXi44uvJG55qe 2US6bSaiQEpgJCjgaZt38TzC+KqLqGq0uBU7kDzNZGYvHmkL/anemubwgwTFJhi3b/4X WkG4Yq7cjEsQ7X9DylwxLCX05BW8vamf0CFjsIl8w5fG7lhdHHKCpRGW/oBqKuRWThDN oPCy/LwfwmWJV7DhkwRRGwOXShuL+UGsjyhW4ziaKVHoudpiX5eXzphthyoyrpn2fGKZ VjmK/wwbBchfMnOYUlCFQ8Mx7dQogv7dbeaij9Svi2oq06tmm+bqmU+mD49ZWPqvdPP5 Bk4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533tQ6ZGrMThmV0VZYSoqNho2Q4XugU9TAks8E7j3arxLi99U1ix PKtIh1lz22+lrwTArgjD23ijAW3owohZ9qtjoQ5RTss= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwxlVneoHHGWi6PPfqJQfZB7Ke8tfvgUmws1D/UBOmGg7AR3CJtLEckA23VvvHBgE3f1PIzujY0InXGVZZLQYM= X-Received: by 2002:a25:73cc:: with SMTP id o195mr34812323ybc.740.1638669768676; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 18:02:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <84E3245F-C845-4397-B790-4442243E4098@gmail.com> <87r1as13dv.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee6syr0i.fsf@gnus.org> <87czmcxbkx.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87czmcxbkx.fsf@gnus.org> From: David Reitter Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 21:02:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#4566: 23, NS: frames re-appear when app switching To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000775e0605d25c891a" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4566 Cc: Alan Third , Win Treese , 4566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000775e0605d25c891a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes that is correct. Indeed I created an elaborate workaround. If that other behavior is fixed, Win might revise that module one day! (Cc=E2=80=99ed) On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 17:13 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Alan Third writes: > > > I suspect David wanted to make the frame invisible as a work-around > > for the bug we fixed recently where when the last frame was closed the > > menus and dock icon were visible but failed to respond. > > Yes, sounds likely. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > --=20 David Reitter, PhD New York City, NY +1 (412) 417 0529 www.david-reitter.com --000000000000775e0605d25c891a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes that is correct. Indeed I created an elaborate workar= ound.=C2=A0
If that other behavior is fixed, Win mig= ht revise that module one day! (Cc=E2=80=99ed)

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1= 7:13 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org= > wrote:
Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> writes:

> I suspect David wanted to make the frame invisible as a work-around > for the bug we fixed recently where when the last frame was closed the=
> menus and dock icon were visible but failed to respond.

Yes, sounds likely.

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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David Reitter, PhD
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