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With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
yet, but here's the crash report:
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x00000000000038d0
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
VM Regions Near 0x38d0:
-->
__TEXT 1042fc000-10453c000 [ 2304K] r-x/r-x SM=COW /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs
Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x000000018d20fcec __pthread_kill + 8
1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x000000018d240c24 pthread_kill + 292
2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x000000018d1204d0 raise + 32
3 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001044fa394 terminate_due_to_signal + 188 (emacs.c:409)
4 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001044fab4c emacs_abort + 20 (sysdep.c:2455)
5 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001044c949c ns_term_shutdown + 144 (nsterm.m:5560)
6 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043b60d8 shut_down_emacs + 328 (emacs.c:2491)
7 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001044fa35c terminate_due_to_signal + 132 (emacs.c:392)
8 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043d4fb4 handle_fatal_signal + 16 (sysdep.c:1795)
9 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043d502c deliver_thread_signal + 120 (sysdep.c:1769)
10 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043d3a68 deliver_fatal_thread_signal + 12 (sysdep.c:1807)
11 libsystem_platform.dylib 0x000000018d288c44 _sigtramp + 56
12 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001044d475c ns_mouse_position + 248 (nsterm.m:2519)
13 org.gnu.Emacs 0x000000010430d2c8 Fmouse_pixel_position + 136 (frame.c:2498)
14 org.gnu.Emacs 0x000000010443be48 funcall_subr + 188 (eval.c:2866)
15 org.gnu.Emacs 0x000000010443b420 Ffuncall + 948 (eval.c:2795)
16 org.gnu.Emacs 0x000000010447c208 exec_byte_code + 1560 (bytecode.c:633)
17 org.gnu.Emacs 0x000000010443b3a8 Ffuncall + 828
18 org.gnu.Emacs 0x000000010443bb0c call1 + 44 (eval.c:2655)
19 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043bcc1c show_help_echo + 308 (keyboard.c:2093)
20 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043bd30c read_char + 1648 (keyboard.c:3117)
21 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043bb220 read_key_sequence + 1880 (keyboard.c:9554)
22 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043b9cd0 command_loop_1 + 1128 (keyboard.c:1350)
23 org.gnu.Emacs 0x0000000104439a6c internal_condition_case + 248 (eval.c:1356)
24 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043c86ac command_loop_2 + 44 (keyboard.c:1091)
25 org.gnu.Emacs 0x0000000104439354 internal_catch + 248 (eval.c:1117)
26 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001044fa690 recursive_edit_1.cold.1 + 80 (keyboard.c:1070)
27 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043b8dc0 command_loop + 4 (keyboard.c:1067) [inlined]
28 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043b8dc0 recursive_edit_1 + 248 (keyboard.c:714)
29 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043b8f68 Frecursive_edit + 388 (keyboard.c:786)
30 org.gnu.Emacs 0x00000001043b83b0 main + 8836 (emacs.c:2066)
31 libdyld.dylib 0x000000018d25cf34 start + 4
Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 28, aarch64-apple-darwin20.2.0, NS appkit-2022.20 Version 11.1 (Build 20C69))
of 2020-12-29
Repository revision: 90bd3b3d69d40339127b4744c459cedb7eb962b0
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2022
System Description: macOS 11.1
Configured using:
'configure --with-modules --without-xml2 --without-pop --with-mailutils
--enable-gcc-warnings=warn-only --enable-checking=all
--enable-check-lisp-object-type 'CFLAGS=-ggdb3 -O0''
Configured features:
PNG NOTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XIM NS MODULES
THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2
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value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
>
> With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> yet, but here's the crash report:
> Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
Can you check that the build includes this?
6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
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Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 01:10 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
> >
> > With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> > ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> > yet, but here's the crash report:
>
> > Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
>
> Can you check that the build includes this?
>
> 6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
> Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
Yes, according to "git branch --contains" the commit is present. The
exception report makes me think that NSApp is null or invalid, but how
should that be possible?
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:01:18PM +0100, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 01:10 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
> > >
> > > With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> > > ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> > > yet, but here's the crash report:
> >
> > > Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
> >
> > Can you check that the build includes this?
> >
> > 6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
> > Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
>
> Yes, according to "git branch --contains" the commit is present. The
> exception report makes me think that NSApp is null or invalid, but how
> should that be possible?
I have no idea... What's happening when the crash occurs? I take it
the mouse is being moved, but are frames opening and closing or
anything?
--
Alan Third
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Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:05 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:01:18PM +0100, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 01:10 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
> > > >
> > > > With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> > > > ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> > > > yet, but here's the crash report:
> > >
> > > > Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
> > >
> > > Can you check that the build includes this?
> > >
> > > 6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
> > > Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
> >
> > Yes, according to "git branch --contains" the commit is present. The
> > exception report makes me think that NSApp is null or invalid, but how
> > should that be possible?
>
> I have no idea... What's happening when the crash occurs? I take it
> the mouse is being moved, but are frames opening and closing or
> anything?
I'm now able to reproduce this consistently. It happens when a tooltip
appears and you hover over that tooltip (try M-x locate and move the
mouse around).
The crash is in the line
if (f && FRAME_NS_P (f))
in nsterm.m in ns_mouse_position, so apparently "f" is not NULL, but
also not valid.
Interestingly I can only reproduce the issue in optimized builds.
The LLDB backtrace is:
* thread #1, queue = 'com.apple.main-thread', stop reason =
EXC_BAD_ACCESS (code=1, address=0x38d0)
frame #0: 0x00000001001d87fc
emacs`ns_mouse_position(fp=, insist=,
bar_window=, part=, x=,
y=, time=) at nsterm.m:2538:12 [opt]
2535 && FRAME_LIVE_P (dpyinfo->last_mouse_frame))
2536 f = dpyinfo->last_mouse_frame;
2537
-> 2538 if (f && FRAME_NS_P (f))
2539 {
2540 view = FRAME_NS_VIEW (f);
2541
Target 0: (emacs) stopped.
(lldb) bt
* thread #1, queue = 'com.apple.main-thread', stop reason =
EXC_BAD_ACCESS (code=1, address=0x38d0)
* frame #0: 0x00000001001d87fc
emacs`ns_mouse_position(fp=, insist=,
bar_window=, part=, x=,
y=, time=) at nsterm.m:2538:12 [opt]
frame #1: 0x00000001000112c8 emacs`Fmouse_pixel_position at
frame.c:2498:7 [opt]
frame #2: 0x000000010013fe48
emacs`funcall_subr(subr=0x0000000100251778, numargs=,
args=) at eval.c:2866:19 [opt]
frame #3: 0x000000010013f420 emacs`Ffuncall(nargs=,
args=) at eval.c:2795:11 [opt]
frame #4: 0x0000000100180208
emacs`exec_byte_code(bytestr=, vector=,
maxdepth=, args_template=,
nargs=4611686018813263872, args=) at bytecode.c:633:12
[opt]
frame #5: 0x00000001001403c0
emacs`funcall_lambda(fun=, nargs=,
arg_vector=) at eval.c:2990:11 [opt] [artificial]
frame #6: 0x000000010013f3a8 emacs`Ffuncall(nargs=,
args=) at eval.c:0 [opt]
frame #7: 0x000000010013fb0c emacs`call1(fn=0x00000000000094b0,
arg1=0x00000001160244d4) at eval.c:2655:10 [opt]
frame #8: 0x00000001000c0c1c
emacs`show_help_echo(help=0x00000001160244d4, window=,
object=, pos=) at keyboard.c:2093:14 [opt]
frame #9: 0x00000001000c130c
emacs`read_char(commandflag=, map=,
prev_event=0x0000000000000000, used_mouse_menu=,
end_time=) at keyboard.c:3117:7 [opt]
frame #10: 0x00000001000bf220
emacs`read_key_sequence(keybuf=0x000000016fdff1e0,
prompt=0x0000000000000000, dont_downcase_last=false,
can_return_switch_frame=true, fix_current_buffer=true,
prevent_redisplay=) at keyboard.c:9554:12 [opt]
frame #11: 0x00000001000bdcd0 emacs`command_loop_1 at
keyboard.c:1350:15 [opt]
frame #12: 0x000000010013da6c
emacs`internal_condition_case(bfun=(emacs`command_loop_1 at
keyboard.c:1236), handlers=0x0000000000000090, hfun=(emacs`cmd_error
at keyboard.c:919)) at eval.c:1356:25 [opt]
frame #13: 0x00000001000cc6ac
emacs`command_loop_2(ignore=0x0000000000000000) at keyboard.c:1091:11
[opt]
frame #14: 0x000000010013d354
emacs`internal_catch(tag=, func=(emacs`command_loop_2 at
keyboard.c:1087), arg=0x0000000000000000) at eval.c:1117:25 [opt]
frame #15: 0x00000001001fe690 emacs`recursive_edit_1.cold.1 at
keyboard.c:1070:2 [opt]
frame #16: 0x00000001000bcdc0 emacs`recursive_edit_1 [inlined]
command_loop at keyboard.c:1067:5 [opt]
frame #17: 0x00000001000bcdbc emacs`recursive_edit_1 at keyboard.c:714 [opt]
frame #18: 0x00000001000bcf68 emacs`Frecursive_edit at
keyboard.c:786:3 [opt]
frame #19: 0x00000001000bc3b0 emacs`main(argc=,
argv=) at emacs.c:2066:3 [opt]
frame #20: 0x000000018d25cf34 libdyld.dylib`start + 4
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Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:42 Uhr schrieb Philipp Stephani
:
>
> Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:05 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:01:18PM +0100, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> > > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 01:10 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> > > > > ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> > > > > yet, but here's the crash report:
> > > >
> > > > > Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
> > > >
> > > > Can you check that the build includes this?
> > > >
> > > > 6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
> > > > Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
> > >
> > > Yes, according to "git branch --contains" the commit is present. The
> > > exception report makes me think that NSApp is null or invalid, but how
> > > should that be possible?
> >
> > I have no idea... What's happening when the crash occurs? I take it
> > the mouse is being moved, but are frames opening and closing or
> > anything?
>
> I'm now able to reproduce this consistently. It happens when a tooltip
> appears and you hover over that tooltip (try M-x locate and move the
> mouse around).
> The crash is in the line
> if (f && FRAME_NS_P (f))
> in nsterm.m in ns_mouse_position, so apparently "f" is not NULL, but
> also not valid.
Looks like "f" isn't initialized to NULL in that function?
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Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:49 Uhr schrieb Philipp Stephani
:
>
> Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:42 Uhr schrieb Philipp Stephani
> :
> >
> > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:05 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:01:18PM +0100, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> > > > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 01:10 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> > > > > > ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> > > > > > yet, but here's the crash report:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you check that the build includes this?
> > > > >
> > > > > 6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
> > > > > Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
> > > >
> > > > Yes, according to "git branch --contains" the commit is present. The
> > > > exception report makes me think that NSApp is null or invalid, but how
> > > > should that be possible?
> > >
> > > I have no idea... What's happening when the crash occurs? I take it
> > > the mouse is being moved, but are frames opening and closing or
> > > anything?
> >
> > I'm now able to reproduce this consistently. It happens when a tooltip
> > appears and you hover over that tooltip (try M-x locate and move the
> > mouse around).
> > The crash is in the line
> > if (f && FRAME_NS_P (f))
> > in nsterm.m in ns_mouse_position, so apparently "f" is not NULL, but
> > also not valid.
>
> Looks like "f" isn't initialized to NULL in that function?
This was probably fixed with commit
b4911a6f0da0bfae3832b3aa0c111db4bb2f49d5 on master. I guess we should
backport the one-line initialization change onto the release branch,
since the crash is nasty and the fix is trivial.
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 03:53:01PM +0100, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:49 Uhr schrieb Philipp Stephani
> :
> >
> > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:42 Uhr schrieb Philipp Stephani
> > :
> > >
> > > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 15:05 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 02:01:18PM +0100, Philipp Stephani wrote:
> > > > > Am Mi., 30. Dez. 2020 um 01:10 Uhr schrieb Alan Third :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 11:32:43PM +0100, Philipp wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With an Emacs built from the emacs-27 branch I get frequent crashes on
> > > > > > > ARM64 macOS (Big Sur). I haven't managed to produce an Elisp stacktrace
> > > > > > > yet, but here's the crash report:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looks like a crash in ns_mouse_position.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you check that the build includes this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6aa9fe3e1b4052b2acde86404a90e35893ebfa00?
> > > > > > Fix crash in ns_mouse_position (bug#44313)
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, according to "git branch --contains" the commit is present. The
> > > > > exception report makes me think that NSApp is null or invalid, but how
> > > > > should that be possible?
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea... What's happening when the crash occurs? I take it
> > > > the mouse is being moved, but are frames opening and closing or
> > > > anything?
> > >
> > > I'm now able to reproduce this consistently. It happens when a tooltip
> > > appears and you hover over that tooltip (try M-x locate and move the
> > > mouse around).
> > > The crash is in the line
> > > if (f && FRAME_NS_P (f))
> > > in nsterm.m in ns_mouse_position, so apparently "f" is not NULL, but
> > > also not valid.
> >
> > Looks like "f" isn't initialized to NULL in that function?
>
> This was probably fixed with commit
> b4911a6f0da0bfae3832b3aa0c111db4bb2f49d5 on master. I guess we should
> backport the one-line initialization change onto the release branch,
> since the crash is nasty and the fix is trivial.
Yes, I agree.
--
Alan Third
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