From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 16:51:37 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 21:51:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58331 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksuzo-0001KA-Qy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:56902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksuzo-0001K4-Ap for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:51:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51502) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksuzo-0001Vi-2J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:51:36 -0500 Received: from serv1.kernkonzept.com ([2a01:4f8:1c1c:b490::2]:38405 helo=mx.kernkonzept.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksuzm-0002iN-GZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:51:35 -0500 Received: from ip5f5a9a82.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de ([95.90.154.130] helo=cert) by mx.kernkonzept.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) id 1ksuzb-0005mh-VF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:51:24 +0100 Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=cert) by cert with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1ksuza-000StQ-TD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:51:22 +0100 From: Hendrik Tews To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.1; make-temp-file parameter change in emacs 26 missing in documentation Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <874kk9h7vp.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: none client-ip=2a01:4f8:1c1c:b490::2; envelope-from=hendrik@askra.de; helo=mx.kernkonzept.com X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, the function make-temp-file was extended in emacs 26 with the additional optional TEXT argument. However, describe-function says "Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 21.1.", leaving the impression that one can safely use the TEXT argument if one wants to write backward compatible code. Please amend the documentation of make-temp-file to mention that the TEXT argument was added in emacs 26. Without such information, it is very difficult to write code that works in a variety of emacs major versions. Thanks, Hendrik From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 16:56:32 2020 Received: (at 45437) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 21:56:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58346 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksv4a-0001Sb-02 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:56:32 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksv4Y-0001SM-FW for 45437@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 16:56:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=M/etowkm572jUGyK2iVERE5xYUAzLTyKbGqxpAWU4AM=; b=N+EQ/VJhh4tXOfslp0DkPIDEGm flqJpOLepOTZma/V0IGnCSEuLpggVB0ASOL1r5gonXgXse3hfQMA7ldX/qBaANoA9+ELLZOS+TUi3 OIUEiFAuGQd8fgTIGyWlc3r/qNp44M/1beXP+iWCZzPWolHiKocM8Ev8H0/UJ9lrZJ9Y=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ksv4Q-0007eB-GH; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:56:24 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Hendrik Tews Subject: Re: bug#45437: 27.1; make-temp-file parameter change in emacs 26 missing in documentation References: <874kk9h7vp.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEVHP0cmQI6MenXR ycn////P/ekvAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+QMGRU2NWyiMu0AAAG6SURBVDjLhVSJkeMw DEOoBtapgCYb0JH993YgJTvJ7t6ck/FkBOMhJAeP4/cLb8BZt+f5HXia2SlqP4ADX8DxeEk9/+VB wM2tLvUIS/4IX0A+w1QAyQxPFc888bDj+FMEAFywnGKZc5mL2bRNCHA9cTQDrkOUhCUUOQv4KvPJ AUYJNSGAJaVIqLWzGY30AgxDRZrAexE2ICoh2g7Fs3kBoDGtJY0jVC6xLSXUGrqihlXus4Hg1IGK mu18AwmDV1RfzhK6pJI6nKJnJgGkLsZInWBJmwCWvVOVIz9MxJbVBb4YzMOqqiSrxhIYGxgcSosg BspxogXQLkZwgc4sYMxxAz5HVNs1gyblLoBdpWclGjFY9g208qQ1XIIjvYDR5ZWHVy8bmF0PV9mf T38BVQMJYNiRTXhJYdT56ZpqPc59fPi0F29MtJIuwBi0jCmIJsy9tR4Vp9Y3YWJvlM82kFjrmeMl BfabNXO+paIvhYo3OtINWDuQt2aoTu45CAy9HPID6LFrhA9A+luHdAe7ALrM2vTaE//simmNu65L 7w1Q5XtYFX8zF/QLjSvYvR88+fWi70ku4H//Ph/XX9FVbhYgJO4MAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0 ZQAyMDIwLTEyLTI1VDIxOjU0OjUzKzAwOjAwjmYTfQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0x Mi0yNVQyMTo1NDo1MyswMDowMP87q8EAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: The Beatles's _1967-1970 (1)_: "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:56:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874kk9h7vp.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> (Hendrik Tews's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:51:22 +0100") Message-ID: <87mty1czy2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hendrik Tews writes: > the function make-temp-file was extended in emacs 26 with the > additional optional TEXT argument. However, describe-function > says "Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 21.1.", > leaving [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45437 Cc: 45437@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hendrik Tews writes: > the function make-temp-file was extended in emacs 26 with the > additional optional TEXT argument. However, describe-function > says "Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 21.1.", > leaving the impression that one can safely use the TEXT argument > if one wants to write backward compatible code. The "probably" only talks about the function itself; not about the parameters. > Please amend the documentation of make-temp-file to mention that > the TEXT argument was added in emacs 26. Without such > information, it is very difficult to write code that works in a > variety of emacs major versions. Sorry; we don't keep track of added parameters in a systematic way, so that would be unfeasible. You have to read the NEWS file to determine this stuff (or use the VC functions, of you have a checked-out Emacs). 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Contovounesios" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#45437: 27.1; make-temp-file parameter change in emacs 26 missing in documentation In-Reply-To: <87mty1czy2.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:56:21 +0100") Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 18:14:01 +0000 References: <874kk9h7vp.fsf@cert.kernkonzept.com> <87mty1czy2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Message-ID: <87o8gpaugb.fsf@tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45437 Cc: Hendrik Tews , 45437@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Hendrik Tews writes: > >> the function make-temp-file was extended in emacs 26 with the >> additional optional TEXT argument. However, describe-function >> says "Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 21.1.", >> leaving the impression that one can safely use the TEXT argument >> if one wants to write backward compatible code. > > The "probably" only talks about the function itself; not about the > parameters. And is an imperfect heuristic based on searching NEWS files, hence "probably". >> Please amend the documentation of make-temp-file to mention that >> the TEXT argument was added in emacs 26. Without such >> information, it is very difficult to write code that works in a >> variety of emacs major versions. > > Sorry; we don't keep track of added parameters in a systematic way, so > that would be unfeasible. You have to read the NEWS file to determine > this stuff (or use the VC functions, of you have a checked-out Emacs). See also: https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2020-12/msg00371.html -- Basil From unknown Fri Sep 19 20:44:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator