From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 00:53:57 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2020 05:53:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54556 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJZV-0008KI-AU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:57 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJZS-0008K8-Kj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJZS-0007Xj-5i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:54 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36156) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJZR-0005s0-SI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:53 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJZN-0004Yg-5Z; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:49 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me ~//media/rms/. But now it gives me ~//media and more TABs does not get me any further than that. I think this is related to Tramp, but I don't use Tramp. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.32, cairo version 1.15.10) of 2020-12-08 built on freetop Repository revision: 0155bd0fdb166c97a2ce76cc5bc64fd195a676d3 Repository branch: master System Description: Trisquel GNU/Linux Etiona (9.0) Configured using: 'configure --with-gnutls=ifavailable 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g'' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK2 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS PDUMPER Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t gpm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (whitespace cl-print debug backtrace rmail-spam-filter rmailedit rmailsort undigest tramp-gvfs zeroconf tramp-cache bug-reference shortdoc help-fns radix-tree descr-text help-at-pt ispell unrmail time-stamp texinfo url-http url-auth url-gw nsm tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration tramp-compat ls-lisp arc-mode archive-mode srecode/srt-mode semantic/analyze semantic/sort semantic/scope semantic/analyze/fcn semantic/db semantic/format srecode/template srecode/srt-wy semantic/wisent semantic/wisent/wisent semantic/ctxt srecode/ctxt semantic/tag-ls semantic/find srecode/compile srecode/dictionary srecode/fields srecode/table srecode eieio-base semantic/util-modes semantic/util semantic semantic/tag semantic/lex semantic/fw mode-local cedet pcmpl-unix rect compare-w novice kmacro etags fileloop xref project quail mail-extr pp shadow emacsbug smerge-mode diff log-edit pcvs-util add-log org-element avl-tree generator ol-eww ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnselect gnus-search eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig gnus-sum gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-dbus dbus gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 netrc nnoo gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win ol-docview doc-view jka-compr image-mode exif ol-bibtex bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete org-list org-faces org-entities noutline outline org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table ol org-keys org-compat org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec find-func cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs cl-extra parse-time iso8601 mhtml-mode css-mode smie eww xdg url-queue mm-url gnus nnheader wid-edit color js imenu cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs sgml-mode help-mode mule-util shell pcomplete thingatpt files-x grep compile comint ansi-color ring misearch multi-isearch epa-mail rmailkwd rmailsum vc-mtn vc-hg vc-git diff-mode easy-mmode vc-bzr vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs vc vc-dispatcher shr kinsoku svg xml dom rmailout dabbrev mailalias sendmail qp rmailmm message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa epg epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs t-mouse term/linux view derived paren cus-start cus-load advice finder-inf package easymenu browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 1028535 143643) (symbols 48 45508 18) (strings 32 215598 23071) (string-bytes 1 5404871) (vectors 16 73141) (vector-slots 8 2067265 131585) (floats 8 451 453) (intervals 56 129103 4709) (buffers 984 160)) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 00:59:51 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2020 05:59:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54563 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJfD-0008Ta-6h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:59:51 -0500 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:58109) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJfA-0008TM-02 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:59:49 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000018153.000000005FE42E4D.00005417; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 22:59:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 08:58:49 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Richard Stallman [2020-12-24 08:54]: > > My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. > > It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me > ~//media/rms/. If you don't type double slash and press TAB what happens then? Instead of ~//media, try ~/media From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 03:53:53 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2020 08:53:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54679 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksMNc-0005Sc-Uj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 03:53:53 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:59957) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksMNX-0005SI-W5 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 03:53:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608800021; bh=7XHQRYaoHq8JNdcz4AxwfZTSJosrOWNd0bq7HSn8Pj0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=coqglvS2Zejf8kzGAjyFIm8hO7VhXZbWpIYwYVuGh0DqB24SsE9T/2JxbooOnPekC NtV1cqOBkoqkItfCqsNaM/Bw6SJemOSvI6zmW4qLEdmRHvf1+P8e9O6ODkGDFYd353 +MjfLtPvZSJM5QpKY5OZ8KWGvd76uVjEBYXXbuSw= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.51.182]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1McY8T-1kKg7U16Uv-00cuXf; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:53:41 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:53:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:49 -0500") Message-ID: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:aEwKPO8NVMftZRp3YiTyxeW7nt4t+9C+4HWLHAg4ZPLdMya4Ufw nEED0I/z1aC983CuAwthZ8So6U17rOlTxd0pnyyYwOpCQCupkh0SnpRtHURPeuDsJdh2Vf7 dIgwmwTMY4QIa/KTQS8RNfV3qfEo6L6QhR/952DWJ0ugBa3ufAK07zhU/LnbMGYJ1P6ayNy cUKGi8GOzI3McDX9ZhDiQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:p8mFbywL+Lw=:yrWSmUgEQ8vBF2ajukubId 1zjEulK7ELie1fafqxLCnzFNQCRCpRRv50FjtrseIXq+63VPpiWkUA5sWhHgsPhOK38Gxo1jg DGHzb4bHYzYR5VGa4fyxgNUKiJZscLOkSjNq9P7dugwHAY01+6eOEgMA01XkQOnSECpSCwX27 qCe5iqYpiS2PsVowuVw9h2VQTePHz44dMfQHss9S60xuqXjv1bah5nEhHVXUiJqhiMSeZHpE3 OzWxA9lXCPyVyp3SNv52GRhrOSPQzzdb3NNvEzR+y473RASWRUEh3Nuv6x7PLAJEWwLXeJtHQ BvJsn7ySCN+8qljF6PzhVJTjXJNO4Zq785i1XDv10E87hdFy9lS7p+tWG9qNKNVCeqpZmMuPL +IDbIPs44xdvXb/x0HuPGk75Ezy0LveNYI9oWDmVnglAUXbBh/t6Kpc0pQ8v1P6JaJXQOr0Vp /u6XCpZ7KOSl5w55Z1zn/TEN8EHjXcRju493j0CTCKgJNl8RZYU7MSmheNn/2UnBHkziSs1Il V++M3crsSH4Y1/N3Zg+x1L7lAB1NTqyfrIJ62xnSH1ceoHlq72V1GmHHQdMwolSvTPc3hpFZ3 d+O7o3y2SaRyp7sZ52dPDRFBEmZDE6rTOZcDQ+flMhrETzCOr5jyMKztnxAJ5oOdvu3N9zAJH rzPdDJBsb2I4HWNk76tNGJQ3XP+ETmxJnKs+fUXcqK46iI92iIyHrqbrGBynt+CnnxNCuq+D0 0pIGHa1vcshFasUoW6wSKAi9SrYWeOOX/K065YeOsAO/45VunfN2nCL40oVX7VGNt/SsgbK1m prGUH7VksHIuOVMsCrRA4LjlIVL/aIh7dvF0aiByDyyTCtGPrGAxXrfxA0zeLOhGR+yHHhOFC 7Lpbg7iKa0RdZj+oUcmA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Richard Stallman writes: Hi Richard, > My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. > > It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me > ~//media/rms/. > > But now it gives me ~//media and more TABs does not get me any further > than that. > > I think this is related to Tramp, but I don't use Tramp. This is Tramp indeed. It knows a new method "media", which is in the way now for you. If you enter another "/" after "...media" in your minibuffer, TAB will continue to complete as you know. If you don't use Tramp, just set tramp-mode to nil in your .emacs. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 09:36:49 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2020 14:36:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRjU-0007pk-Pa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:36:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51808) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRjQ-0007pS-QI for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:36:47 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42013) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRjL-0006ph-F2; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:36:39 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3964 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRjB-0007FG-6L; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:36:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 16:36:09 +0200 Message-Id: <83y2hnnuee.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:53:40 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:53:40 +0100 > Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org > > > My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. > > > > It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me > > ~//media/rms/. > > > > But now it gives me ~//media and more TABs does not get me any further > > than that. > > > > I think this is related to Tramp, but I don't use Tramp. > > This is Tramp indeed. It knows a new method "media", which is in the way > now for you. If you enter another "/" after "...media" in your > minibuffer, TAB will continue to complete as you know. Really? I always thought that the leading slash in "/media" causes Emacs to disregard the "~/" part, and interpret the rest as relative to "/", the filesystem root? When I type '/' on my system, Emacs gives the preceding "~/" part a shadow-y color (and on a TTY places it in {..}), to show that it is being ignored. How come Richard gets ~//media instead? he should get /media, without the leading "~/". What am I missing? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 12:02:47 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2020 17:02:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksU0l-0003Df-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:02:47 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:50703) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksU0h-0003DN-3o for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:02:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608829357; bh=bSd5j4dhYXoMCB4qP7vXz+34C39rOZ/PFizjfzq/eMo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=hlPoLIAmmjG0C5WAyqM+PpXivVBBsGw1E7XOFTUuslFvEXlgtq/5NZmUCIAHWvV2y nFYuFci+rnqOt0PCY7z4oCrQBqXLXEW8t/5NUIAVlH4NELHkD83RydUWGAfpZkFQN/ 2yd/dQ7BunyPVAodg4dC8LIY5kf22JIK2ugZ93BM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.62.252]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MOzT4-1kgKPY3ZrI-00PQ8g; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 18:02:36 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> <83y2hnnuee.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 18:02:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83y2hnnuee.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 24 Dec 2020 16:36:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87ft3v2l3o.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:aFx4zsMA33Bm2nF+bK/TwhDW1SZPCoALxSGZxFXRx5BdfheIR6H bb0InN7Cpp9etKEMAI/wDYKL3eIkjRmCE+3UpvC3CB29QWJL6hJrJOZ5ZO3l/XqCnOdrl0S ECpRCDcslRkwRfpY3J4VSQ4+d+GMuBivFvSgnWoZXXrU6A9VbfHf3tkpXsqpPORsXvTZ2cx 08GgTs846hhgb/Rk+NS4g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:3nk0RTlAQsk=:vOKkixfq6Cj5HirblbbVys 2twbX8IduxgdGWzI/UPErZYocMWGH2MZyzxMyIiqYIF/m5ovi4TjIiqaG0TVdWpcblrnU51zl 2LMwsygPGygnDLPE+q5/PaQ8CFyOU1V4Poqkb0c3UuKgPEyRw7iDBuXO6hcn7/FTt4Q3ELT7K Zg6m0xDMfSNZHIeizYNYx14iF3Oz3Jmaa2pRuGQ0doLpurmIho08ganj+23ViRfKfqjevJVZi ViYkyqpipAUURke/FGtSCww3YzVOswoT7cff7xN2H8GRNY8G1irxRhet7FnbQpntZyiBfumY8 P3OCgLssSIwpAK+ZTgtwJzAlkoxvnoRLuYmOusaWiPRuzNIwymy7ZFv9qf14q/OD9sBG0PaF2 lXhmoILGoD/ytQAZFD3DRzvSuIiXsdlZ8cCl1kF5zw0N13MoHUIXiX3ZOrPdJRJDrx8p3D/HP 69psNdkV5iBqyBty7rxF49T/gfZZC2KZSt4cpQap0wBShfOPRjbIsa/VTnvQOk2tAkittdO1i 1Kjya6SQ6lprT3eK1D6d7f34MdXesnEXO8NhhMyxZT6SJsQgXslks/VZDZlNXusK8LcuTtis8 SFbiiaFmMBXubayP/hjdE0fJ1XbipC3iqoTG1TFhMmvg4W145/5Wa3kC5MqN9S4VrqZ/pTPUf +4gjyvMcuVUNWxrOMCLzfuFgkrkDakdj1q+IKXqxUHxD+aNNFs9u05Vpa5DjWmHgTwJXiUgQr ZKhCPhbWSyU0Ze2oufPthJLkclkYpz5BIjxCo5SHOR4wecXHAlaWeCtL66lGY2d/YuXMV306N EGX1FmRPjCsTcEbKAMsz3uHAfW5wzV6Ph4nRs28UvEMEigy2FuRteuzjiQzE6UfEG0wXARCx0 b61T3QrKaN6qX/+08XDg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, > Really? I always thought that the leading slash in "/media" causes > Emacs to disregard the "~/" part, and interpret the rest as relative > to "/", the filesystem root? When I type '/' on my system, Emacs > gives the preceding "~/" part a shadow-y color (and on a TTY places it > in {..}), to show that it is being ignored. Yes. > How come Richard gets ~//media instead? he should get /media, without > the leading "~/". What am I missing? The leading "~/" string is greyed out. That's expected. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 12:19:29 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2020 17:19:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksUGr-0003bS-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:19:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52246) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksUGm-0003bB-UC for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:19:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44256) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksUGh-0007Bm-C1; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:19:15 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2073 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ksUGY-0005Fh-Ce; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:19:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 19:18:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83sg7vnmvd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <87ft3v2l3o.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Thu, 24 Dec 2020 18:02:35 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> <83y2hnnuee.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft3v2l3o.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: rms@gnu.org, 45402@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 18:02:35 +0100 > > > How come Richard gets ~//media instead? he should get /media, without > > the leading "~/". What am I missing? > > The leading "~/" string is greyed out. That's expected. If that's the case, fine. I thought it wasn't, as Richard was mentioning it, although it is effectively deleted. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 24 23:42:44 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 04:42:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksew8-0002zp-5W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:42:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksew4-0002zc-St for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:42:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksevz-00068Z-FS; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:42:35 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ksevx-0003Un-Sf; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:42:34 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:53:40 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:42:33 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > This is Tramp indeed. It knows a new method "media", which is in the way > now for you. This is an unfortunate choice of name. GNU/Linux (at least some distros) automounts disks and memories under /media, which means that this Tramp method name is going to collide regularly. How about if we look at changing the name in Tramp. Can you see another name that fits what it does? (What does it do?) -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 00:56:48 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 05:56:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksg5o-0006rK-14 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 00:56:48 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35684) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksg5m-0006r5-1C for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 00:56:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=yfDpHXoUMKLcWxqnvZkqDpGvOsXgbIsKhGeOomldALk=; b=Rb1mo2zOYPPIUPoaSCOsu0XcmA Wz38g69f1FYZJBRCg3SRdY6sJi+/wTo5iNoJrAWNMRB0ypz2hhZyljR4t/cFqQp3P0vrJghfWcrIt tsWUGwpSJ1kHdETL8KImgVBLbRoDz4q6mRIhR3fHZLOicEJu/twGsB/r4p/wB5LWYaWo=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ksg5d-00078q-E0; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:56:39 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: X-Now-Playing: Kate & Anna McGarrigle's _Kate & Anna McGarrigle_: "Talk to Me of Mendocino" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:56:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:53:49 -0500") Message-ID: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. > > It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me > ~//media/rms/. But why do you type "/med TAB" instead of "med TAB"? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. > > It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me > ~//media/rms/. But why do you type "/med TAB" instead of "med TAB"? And I'm unable to reproduce the behaviour you're describing in older Emacs versions -- I tried this in Emacs 25.1, and `C-x C-f /med TAB' just gives me "No match", even if ~/media exists. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 06:07:04 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 11:07:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56801 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kskw4-0006hC-I5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:07:04 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:56105) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kskw0-0006ge-WA for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:07:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608894414; bh=8bZIH7DdGOl0ZvFNHNupA34OAXDHbEy8MyGWKtmeAY4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QkU95nvOAdG/JXtlTyf3Wh394VK8iOyKedqPdmvI5ekuvDelrNDdCtJooc7L0FFfG otEiigCD9rK9J2mkqhSLHxSIsnQBFqipgQ32Z68v2PoM7qXZFdxGaOQSw/eZRZ1vTy B6xenClxNbakUoz+Uo5gDzQ6amTrDGRZ+LuWOaVI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.58.4]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MKsj7-1kburr1w1l-00LGtp; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:06:54 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:06:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 24 Dec 2020 23:42:33 -0500") Message-ID: <874kka2lgz.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/qysnDhSPic/jabA2S6hsWUmeG2JiC3ToCZrdzmdqN9wjUgtMyk 6nanBBNBKgVr2+KNAAz0EmdmXFpLMP/sRfYiNTSxsJQViHlh5bfpUODa2/oIIjy9mtXZ95S V49UHNMms2HUqRhxukvWtMevU1A1c574wSS3H2L6MLaYBzArcAzXZpMV6DCT1fLIjgSgaZ7 NfXCjPs5I8+gQ2eZtdweA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:FveUSHt31ck=:dw1jRj1DXOaVensxYZt9Fy wuJThiHTk5AMb3jjMmoXMFB5mxodwUJbHI+QTMWYd65q2GO7SPKjk6pXZZgAUPSzbWV4Vi3tw Ttsnvrfk9A2u2mMOTPdMhMgOnqYJ7Kzim6TVnT/vw8zfbtvJ76WkuYqk+WD6wxaa9P/oSRbzd EGk75eXjRUYW8Xidf9MsmznQJ7HJWwyYHsrqAAASiMP4aZX0pfpOBe8mmzhAVKMkZi2V9zSt7 MQJBXN6uEvi5So4ac/bMyFXrasgsjECDBZOSkyKYkFf3ZN8WAMQe7vMt0hn383pHaAYkA6OHY XosnVRbImo4/wVDNU+5FCRKGIg22fYpVEJbIljSI/KhuefQSNM7JW9jGhP+4PZHpQ2UjPIJoa 3r5mnZp745s77fXTxohWF8hqibQdQBZpeyxDkZxc+vE1gPPqQzBOG8dwym8Lb3a8yYl1DiAL1 zNjiYfqLlvQdVZGzU3n0A5UDBkyEh5v4ajPxAKgE7EdF+285ZZ8Qkpw8qSXF25tV+0mMRdK8w cqULip0fhKVEW8k7bHLObw7tM58FVEujy2KD/2Fw79SfXsIdjNMHzq5bvCBJqdlv0Sd3XIzg/ VuX35uYIU871/lfYeAa0mz9DmxGraV6J5s0jKOiNmi23wmT7Rv5ChV670wvmxZSr0yR/A77ER G8jCowyR55cVz/lIw0Gnna/JLGg6LjGnl9Wqe5/vkHwa6R6zIeShzvqXS4/DzNMeV9o2X8WIg PovUJg0c4DveuCi1jxFJgCdzpAJTwj9HSRxxr+ZIMTMdGRLBHz7m2U+1t1Tb6Y1R+uXN6a/NM G+VmiLyexO6rkgvNKWNboSVg9HHna+6rMmFhsuUd7LeMG+eFmPxBnQABMc2N2HTjDwSFCoXhe Ph+XzXjQqh8MGBqNpKBg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Richard Stallman writes: Hi Richard, > > This is Tramp indeed. It knows a new method "media", which is in the way > > now for you. > > This is an unfortunate choice of name. GNU/Linux (at least some distros) > automounts disks and memories under /media, which means that this Tramp > method name is going to collide regularly. > > How about if we look at changing the name in Tramp. Can you see > another name that fits what it does? Makes sense, yes. > (What does it do?) It gives you file access to USB mounted media devices, like digital cameras, Android and i(Pad)OS devices. Usually, those devices do not appear locally under /media, that's why I have added them in Tramp. The mount protocols are different depending on the device, they could be "mtp" or "gphoto2". In order to hide these details, I have chosen the Tramp connection method "media", which DTRT for whichever protocol. What different Tramp connection name shall I use instead? I'm notorious bad in selecting proper names. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 06:17:28 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 11:17:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56807 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl68-0006vt-HL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:17:28 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:49871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl66-0006vc-74 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:17:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608895040; bh=4NFEE4/vjNkFdZtVsxGTtZ6+s/UnSQ3uUi+VrsgwEGw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=VBIqNcA+789Kqm9C3We9MRYLuY2VWy2vDhrrQ+n4C4qYowf8qjVYEY5hzUUfGdiWd eDfCDszTt0VmA4/D4/9AVGttSh+U4oHBdY93CcAMctTgt+ynsvhEzND+zQHPzWcSLU NLSC0iWzqQyRJ7nepirsxZvvhjDHTAUphYfD9leg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.58.4]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MeCtj-1kIbOa3Lkd-00bOB7; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:17:19 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:17:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:56:36 +0100") Message-ID: <87zh2216f5.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:RNtiHNt0m5DtGnca10wyFBqKOK5oOE6zUfTJKdp1ZEv9zh0jsW8 SF4ps7ij4jcO1W4hqitiENm/kvlrb3HZ06cjQtnpNM0vDySYtgizYhpJd6IsLDOerkOd8ix S3g34l/ZGTV0I7TPOHnY7ywN8L/M5e9O1v3PlwyB+87aBwogdY0Pocz5RIUW7FNxGkZGbP9 ig20AVy0nqU1DaDC1r9lw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:9cUUtnCtzzo=:WO2iiGoJU4Z4p2DPzTCWzC 86VRyByUje1bVEzfMxM6qybrBvNMYHDHj7gdzU+TaGPu/eOCRUZrW6RO7RsLnnh95H9QCPaO3 Ht4KcH6Vz8VHgqy1V5btgoAWGu/w+UGWDPgmIFyEXeCoFAWdJvFJzithWBo2DENwS3bYSxHgv S2+tewcBIUWu4qHJ+fTTuIT7Y4tJCPP94Br2mLYKSHYclbB4VpVfKWKAIVW6DdhL8bbBoThGE KtkEHY0nTC+ZkdR0CExUCRahiDHgFeohhCeqBDI8NOrD8rsRBj6y5008/h1dFddKNuFYJOYMA LEjbQjyZ7dlsTy0RuqPsOH8ArDVG9sfGqyMEkumIqKjfbIi5pYrHRjmzYkEI/B1sK1sfvjKeB Ab0u4MyXgIPWUiswV90Se0eJrhjTjXZGKwOVo2lBL9mkBKlA7qmaWgKFHQOcGjTWl4LGqjEa8 4CfBLE2WEOxbJUCMk+j9xsR4SFYmoJBgy8sE9Ts96Fao9CgEk7XpkPJtW1xYpMhLxP191wy0X ABIzvOnMzN8pHLnBtWg6MVJVgi3RlJpsXwXhecGc5Z5GPhOjpBodreY+M1jDpGHUszYcaLqHU qOJVIZbpncutjhVUI4UsjNwvkg7eM2ChH6qCgi93bph9mm3vLyP0DGgG+Gdn6EuS3Y4232Fj+ 9hnnFfUhohAJpPHhXDaQQzHuicSPxNyMvmZb74YqvlKWq2CiKmlbmU4/AI8m+aicK8Fa5B76X ce32bKhdXmGMYiEnCZrC8IUGEOEiXkhmGZ7Fz1/qWMcmegLwNK9CxASvfVnsUO/xpAvYjzvgM z0QBaB+u0cxq9hAUK5D+4/u3lDXS38bH/MRJ8LL4lsrlZhA7YjvVoKIn5azhqsax2wzWFpg0/ mFspuB8pIU4noLAZgXcA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: Hi Lars, >> My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. >> >> It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me >> ~//media/rms/. > > But why do you type "/med TAB" instead of "med TAB"? Because he wants to enter the "/media" directory. > And I'm unable to reproduce the behaviour you're describing in older > Emacs versions -- I tried this in Emacs 25.1, and `C-x C-f /med TAB' > just gives me "No match", even if ~/media exists. "/med" has nothing to do with "~/media". And Tramp's "media" method exist only in the master branch. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 06:20:26 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 11:20:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl8z-00070I-Ux for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:20:26 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl8w-000709-Jn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:20:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55658) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl8v-0005Kd-Hr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:20:22 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:56834) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl8u-0002e1-5y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 06:20:21 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ksl8p-0000B3-Ho for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:20:15 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:20:09 +0100 Message-ID: <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mWLTrMnatANP/31y7R7MtoAb+84= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> My default directory is ~/ and I tyoe C-x C-f /med TAB. >> >> It used to give me ~//media/. Another TAB would give me >> ~//media/rms/. > > But why do you type "/med TAB" instead of "med TAB"? The assumption, I believe, is that the target folder is under /media/, while the initial prompt is "~/". Starting with a slash causes the initial prompt to be "greyed out" (i.e. rendered ineffectual unless the user backspaces). > And I'm unable to reproduce the behaviour you're describing in older > Emacs versions -- I tried this in Emacs 25.1, and `C-x C-f /med TAB' > just gives me "No match", even if ~/media exists. As Richard explained in , some GNU/Linux distros mount external media under /media/$USER, so typing /med TAB greys out the initial ~/ and used to complete to /media/$USER (if $USER is the only folder under /media). Now users need to type an additional slash to disambiguate from "/media:". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 14:31:52 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 19:31:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58153 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kssoZ-0006FG-SF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:31:52 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42058) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kssoX-0006F2-F8 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:31:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=a0PgZExDYgeR2P3afB/zzJxbxhVM2eit1c3sjou9Fno=; b=dcVoJ3fu6UPTG7tF0Ieg+42kyf aWl0+ExI9n74YeDQVZlwq19IQ4RXC9k466u9mGLImzeUCjSrBXNeulYURzqb0LufAmV8K31jLbGtl q+8W7tyBTmaWwdbyiuY/1lI5HramkoBQtGPG9pM9EXtVwuEYRfbvVXmjNlvzfYFqBtZI=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kssoH-0006Ax-Gs; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:31:43 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUeGiYZGCRKRFaU jqL///9LoHcYAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+QMGRMaGWPGSRIAAAF/SURBVDjLrZPZkeUw CEUBJwBMAggl8EbKP7e5km15me7+aqpcljlsBkH0EmYlg7zVdsrbAdZKw4dIMgNPJuGFg48z7yAX yBPoI4wS067iK4exqt3kMvdiLEt/heJs4lt7OSCwtpGzlaeD/yVqLumF1csN9A9xpaxSzBPgrNZb RQ4OUtsy8srBNZvaKFdqbXeQdQSwhMU2c5xJPFyaUAQasspiMvIUabVECF0/IhzGsWU2VFTNGZVR 0QHIMjYBQJvV42OihWaoY258xMe3Ho1FMnuIrkF/Bdj+l2+BHRfjZ6CvUHyCxM/dPdYZ96bcwbIS NOENNBCxmM7JxZl8gNwtHuDwMJ2z3kjinMf0yGGJUDWy3ZMPIITu1tyBHYAADEXpWIqjVTnvdsZY lh1APSLMupAyPaCT3kLxec4DGZr0PkBHEZRrOch7H6DDAyAu8KfXjkWYYK2GTo9xOwE+tJZmFuw9 4eLZy3PHoa19l7FBu1Jy6Xpr9VC/7s01D/s18A+NIkXz2+gi+wAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUA MjAyMC0xMi0yNVQxOToyNjoyNSswMDowMOzfHFYAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMTIt MjVUMTk6MjY6MjUrMDA6MDCdgqTqAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Neil Young & Crazy Horse's _Rust Never Sleeps_: "Powderfinger" Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:31:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:20:09 +0100") Message-ID: <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Kévin Le Gouguec writes: >> But why do you type "/med TAB" instead of "med TAB"? > > The assumption, I believe, is that the target folder is under /media/, > while the initial prompt is "~/". Starting with a slash causes the [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: >> But why do you type "/med TAB" instead of "med TAB"? > > The assumption, I believe, is that the target folder is under /media/, > while the initial prompt is "~/". Starting with a slash causes the > initial prompt to be "greyed out" (i.e. rendered ineffectual unless the > user backspaces). Oh, I see. I thought Richard wanted to get to a directory called ~/media/. > As Richard explained in , some > GNU/Linux distros mount external media under /media/$USER, so typing > /med TAB greys out the initial ~/ and used to complete to /media/$USER > (if $USER is the only folder under /media). Now users need to type an > additional slash to disambiguate from "/media:". Yup; I've also got a /media/ directory, and I see the same thing. /media/ is a common directory on many systems -- would it make sense to rename the Tramp method to something other than media:? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 15:31:18 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 20:31:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58234 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kstk6-0007hQ-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:31:18 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:51201) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kstk3-0007hB-5D for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:31:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608928268; bh=wXqrgBkdippbdqMPuNRn2H321KOWJsPD4jVSnB7Ip0U=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=iUpoEJ+LdTydmZGWYQ+LhljOojXxFVrAJ9h52YMMEOk+T/JA6EU5m+3IZEqfaoXls FS0hjbYiaj0UWSbCSkEZxq30WE7AWlwHhb+7RIWtUAiIbOY5QKSSdQ9Q4pJ4B1//kn 0QHuwpkCuXKBksr1+3QzpUnkMAYMW4ApVrumAStc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.58.4]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MBUm7-1kkwrL0ykR-00CzW8; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:31:08 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:31:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 20:31:32 +0100") Message-ID: <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jBaL3YokrZ+CTDBbmsHEUqvwP8mToeTxrQ4+GPx1ykQ2HScsqMo mzIQKfUo6hddm0TxQmbjepUI+Rhk2gXurmdmQjvlxWSezBsq46KfDCuJWZrpTBlZrTFHz0r yU1DP1w0mah6XGa5KiX5nStG/Pkp/Fj/R2bBnOhOCEzCJ2Uu8UtBF4CFKn1EJ70VsZhaF3w Ds6qxFL5BA1I4JrIeCw/w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BujVMcUTUdo=:mDe5xjZi2GvxmB7yKXfsCi 6azCb/xBrdXjVoNSntzpS4WM1ffYS2N5d3NfbzFgwKd8lSO9cs19lWcYYdcES8uO5aGh8caFg mqv+1cYJd6LoIq1iwbdIiNziK8Hdy0NFlFHp3Ic+iSX4ELALO/EuhyFY8NIQwXQJwwrCP6bRz jYHNWR5/bFpeo0qZBBJGT/u8J3lCj5IlDcZAjbky/MGfrIi1YXTLM4a9K+a3gPhD9RoxBxStF WIAP8zEfCnAvkTxzltIk4i6obaXip9QdL8wr1IjGrq6ZMvldDyIUPTZkCNE5FG1EBacNoQuYl 1wtD6TqIjvXoZxGnIw2Qsq8ir7+ZARarbhfqmBRpm0mguM9ACgqxAK7aVpnJ6n9fq8owfyeua E4BQ7EwNMvA0BNLY0S2NwYKd1NCXNlzpbXRwo8LOzg8h8nZFOAh/3mSn/Cr3HsY61uU3DaO/X 5OOhYxeXxzUkt4C0ExR7mYzOL5RdY9IjTcYnb4nk0SzI6Fkq7A3pBBa5TMx2+CvOjlrnq3jTZ vM4oCc5RwgxKwJ1VA3ZPPYoMYq8u4MYllehIqaQrIIxQ9MuFQrzPbONLsmYg0oj5jz3ZruNxA 1RiY25UzO7mMLVaB8Q7jlSuRx67lsLmxAf0aMFz4Dt7y6fD9kq0KzYuP3dEht2iuxVaq30s9N cCcle84hzm/fCk+fEW+y5rSxbp3nR+mmB0Ia9Sj1r2VTIFpjHtDGiXlHYmfCnGzMC1zVXnuEf ZQrnXnzdVZ5MDOz6L98vTMB0izYRWf3xwocERMxmXAzXVgxZyVp6zCaoKfZSFRAsTJpVkuIZc nNS2ILJlT5aw/Co0R8XUL7J0quc9KP1SeAg2eMJh8MGwr2hy43N4djlFDP27ZGOZ8uoG5jmx9 poygFfTPVVqlyfnxqXrQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: Hi Lars, >> As Richard explained in , some >> GNU/Linux distros mount external media under /media/$USER, so typing >> /med TAB greys out the initial ~/ and used to complete to /media/$USER >> (if $USER is the only folder under /media). Now users need to type an >> additional slash to disambiguate from "/media:". > > Yup; I've also got a /media/ directory, and I see the same thing. > /media/ is a common directory on many systems -- would it make sense to > rename the Tramp method to something other than media:? Yes, as I said already to Richard. I just miss a better name. Any proposals? (Internally, the GVFS methods mtp and gphoto2 are used. Although I have sympathy for the name mtp, it would be wrong wrt gphoto2.) Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 17:11:56 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58360 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksvJU-0003w6-0G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:11:56 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50]:37864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksvJS-0003vs-No for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:11:55 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id q75so4306350wme.2 for <45402@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:11:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YIXMR1471LLVlnQNGjjZ2L+11cmlZYIii+sWd9LVpCc=; b=qZCIWkkuyJJRaugKw42crR3NGB7YC6MxFcDVKro2suM5t2cDs/f6l0JZ+C10XnJGh0 QsaITtqwZErERF2CrHYzu5JlZqOgfg4Wz2+O+eaK1c5npNM0dLLODD5u3AhkB0sP+PlG 2lsFG18zycp7vDIDlTCs8hoflOuxQW3NKCET04YOo3773MKhGsd7iUPE3yEhIEMDQIFD E5y4rlr8VxP5gKkBct1wkgDtr1mXNIUj/4O5tnPLUP9xCH3NvjjVes5XMU3PS5QJ/mTt 6kDmlVGTrJpucEj0H30a5Wwb2/psDV2eURrDgJvSnwyoImwTVr6zD2zGh5ijbTfQV9eM rvfw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YIXMR1471LLVlnQNGjjZ2L+11cmlZYIii+sWd9LVpCc=; b=rGwmPL5Zucxb8n09/fgxEzP736gcUpdMyjyy1udxDmcPtyybeUdr7ZrMddUpoofePA KUxL5LJmpMqOIEOTw2Jyx4bxDhwD4/kjYJcXxzF+6f+nKihfp8QndlO4HwXyjDwt2Zu/ 6lAPfDK6tKZBVKhdoP0KvxdrE+i1lyt4OABR5UPdPpRioELUkkNlc+aPcvQnjrtcMvM0 T0oInWKtrLoVY7hxY4Y/MzWpMBVfh/bHIe55Acuk4hSqQplKhKuVJUOWH0ves5IWrX5d vK6K1/5KhxlfU+bs81U7vs9Yjbw885ALiv2VOVtQ8dpe5Y3aayaeoMAhOBsIauPrNXKi nlBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533INYOWKg8yK0grNmt8WZycJfdMKo4kwHKHjN0j2yP1v5xteIL0 XfCFZEVrtHJzsBaHOdrdtCWVsFGyX/8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwEuLRrZJ9AO7ln2/4ZhpjrihxJP9dZukgT8gfbUB+w+L9cjX7qF58/Sqh1fZw4cPhKv5a0QQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a583:: with SMTP id o125mr9834480wme.91.1608934308488; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from hirondell (aclermont-ferrand-256-1-194-196.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr. [90.4.209.196]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b73sm12770569wmb.0.2020.12.25.14.11.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 23:11:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 21:31:07 +0100") Message-ID: <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Albinus writes: > (Internally, the GVFS methods mtp and gphoto2 are used. Although I have > sympathy for the name mtp, it would be wrong wrt gphoto2.) Going by Wikipedia, maybe /mtp: isn't too off-target? > gPhoto has support for the Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) and will > also connect to devices that use the Media Transfer Protocol (MTP). =E2=80=94 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPhoto > Whereas PTP was designed for downloading photographs from digital > cameras, Media Transfer Protocol allows the transfer of music files on > digital audio players and media files on portable media players, as > well as personal information on personal digital assistants. =E2=80=94 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol I have no expertise whatsoever about these protocols; I only learned about them just now. Are there users we could poll to find a method name that makes sense? I've looked at 2020-01-22 "Add new Tramp method "media"" (2d9d62bb24), but I could not see any bug ID, so I don't know who we could turn to. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 17:35:55 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 22:35:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksvgh-0006jn-2x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:35:55 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:37240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ksvgg-0006jY-29 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 17:35:54 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0BPMZmvH120036; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:35:48 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=HMn3sWIKWcb/a0MlWiYs0wUIhcEFPpkJ8pqyAkWd+FE=; b=JliGt1UAipR5XXlBrFaqoEaO3W2jb/T/c56ulKbskjoSG46GeWeaCeIVlDVfwXJHu7PN X9NqSpnrh1NpS/TGtb6ON0Fr32Fu35JYFFd+KsKph+9sHq/0ohSnOgSd17P0RNWUtpqO U+yc7Kv/7GQLssRO6jXJT9Gnt4D4Z4W8x9UlTOc4yXkGmcDTCtvgX+3umn7Mz/t7FXgp l6DAKf/UL6mEw0pD4aLHZvUoo1HgqImlAga0AyDp9jmbC3BqWPJH3+zJ7KOx40cJ29RO Ww6f/YxwhlPfK/GK3myykPGEJfobIKlh7sOi3LnLGmkaPT7BqWBQr0aKqaCOa1s9Kxua RA== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 35ku8e0ehu-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:35:48 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0BPMP4XW138513; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:35:47 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 35k0exu17a-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:35:47 +0000 Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0BPMZhGb014638; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:35:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: =?utf-8?B?S8OpdmluIExlIEdvdWd1ZWM=?= , Michael Albinus Subject: RE: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5095.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9845 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=976 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012250146 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9845 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=992 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012250147 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) It's no doubt too late now, at least in general, but maybe it would make sense to use a prefix for Tramp, kind of like what we do for libraries. Besides being too late, I imagine someone will say that that would be too verbose for users to type, which is true. But even a prefix of "t" might be sufficient to usually distinguish Tramp's protocol names. In this case, ~//tmedia would mean Tramp's protocol and ~//media would mean (change to) local directory /media. Yeah, it's ugly. But the Tramp syntax is apparently inherently ambiguous here (i.e., can conflict with a dir name). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 25 18:38:22 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2020 23:38:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58453 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kswf7-0002N6-P4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:38:21 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:54250) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kswf5-0002Mn-Q5 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:38:20 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id k10so4294681wmi.3 for <45402@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:38:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=GsOT7OOB5RIkB5REt9Rh/uShM2lnmO8LMVl46mLt4pU=; b=ttBEFvK91Nbg4CwjMCFjwBQVveeqWOXtfWTznCWGxGME994jeJ8zmOK3z5UO4kqBpK aACzfcVVEszS+TtWvr4DnvacadH4vd5nCRMhYgV9LikfiNpBvoygbE2FcOYvVKu7Zt3p xkAxqp9aJ86gkLQQWi9cxQk5mV9g5KpjyT8o/J0mIYTS2wbD+u59XpDfKTJgTX7vZ3V8 8frespziqZ1RdMciKTKCMJBmxJPv1BGcaa+OIoX0l94z1J0HOdp4Kp1XeSJkLqtYp22L +hfh5eV3DMmBDR7MjaShk3qwgAgu+RMtPSpmGvM0VE33Mo1clZfeGPV19PNArl98PW6g 4Ekw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=GsOT7OOB5RIkB5REt9Rh/uShM2lnmO8LMVl46mLt4pU=; b=WDhgYrYbq8YJGNkMKSpYSfuU3GczlTdqrMMLD02KFZyYckVsY2/HdULszv/BSGMr+b SHxex7e+FFhIhgUvx+4XdjEz6jYoE6pWOpPlp5E4/6Cix8ZSvHInBHpTLEQYi2dH01gi 0mphAbfFZqy/hOd9Y8MaV0TMyhkwWZLYperrtZsoujZpBT1Z1SZ/EuezCrzx7BkGKKsd w/VqZHccgHgArS8qGRBuu2Nw3OJ65E0Cud6IrqEU53AVW5w6ykQoXnT28sznQmvY5ri5 HLCDfH/doQl75syY7hsKzRo1n0tN1iZp0VM4zHZOo9TanRkomsk3CwezfG2MTOEe4AfT JXsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530pwFd9dFMjpAZDGz9kW6PpVThyQdLqa8nYK8iwR92UH7HIuaHC ZgPrUVtPJmMpx9hsIzHkJhE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzeHo58auKbbV4SXiUHpnEcjRKR+pTkKbguIP2XGVSQ5o6EbNjAK8CVJKnhb9/ak2gUFQh9NQ== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cb4f:: with SMTP id v15mr10129758wmj.123.1608939493884; Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hirondell (alyon-654-1-328-235.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr. [109.212.132.235]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c7sm51430520wro.16.2020.12.25.15.38.12 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 00:38:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:35:42 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87im8ph2xo.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Michael Albinus , 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > It's no doubt too late now, at least in general, > but maybe it would make sense to use a prefix > for Tramp, kind of like what we do for libraries. I might be missing something, but it seems to me like there is a rather large design space for opt-in, backward-compatible ways to disambiguate Tramp methods: off the top of my head, I could imagine e.g. a variable (say "tramp-implicit-methods") which - could default to t, meaning: > always assume that /foo can actually mean /trampfoo for all foo's > supported by Tramp - could be set to a list of commonly used Tramp methods, e.g. '("ssh" "sudoedit"), meaning: > when I type /ssh, assume that I can mean /trampssh; otherwise if I > type /foo assume that I never mean /trampfoo - could be set to nil, meaning: > when I type /foo, I *never* mean /trampfoo for any foo supported by > Tramp; I will always type out /trampfoo: Or we could go the opposite route, with e.g. tramp-explicit-methods (nil by default), which in the context of this report could be set to '("media") so that /media can complete to /media/$USER, and users would be required to type out /trampmedia: explicitly. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 03:45:09 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 08:45:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58679 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt5CG-0001ub-W5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 03:45:09 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:42339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt5CF-0001tn-Dj for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 03:45:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608972296; bh=62fqvTm+MF6PB98fd3BalXwVwjzGzaz8PI3alK/LPdU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Hn3k/IqpmVIj8tfvye+aN+5iGhWfmc3umz4UlXjbfr3F/C8Ps5TN9GdBNs6/5kjDo DF8n9Ptwgmvq4AyB2pUsUvzYXH2g4tccr24zWgKqe9PuXYH3gRdtlXuEVaFO0XA26b IUhfeBHUk0S6KWhQw8ye6ST69Zd7LI+D1hCulqOQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.50.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mel3n-1kIvd70G9N-00alWg; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:44:56 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:44:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:35:42 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <875z4p0xdk.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QIAxEpo02LEs5R1852ogkhYTI3U3ckd9tJBbkjLzEdckBBpEBiQ NibS36cS1fE9m76YSBe9g93d0kuMAcvBQBxdMZNS5KlQBVX4C/FM3eaywHxPGEznPoStmzn bupp3+ldSA4H7NcHPKT1e9S5IBwQkOu5Uuoq676sVbGEYowhK86Z9sR39eiAGY5QMyX4cIf r7UFV+nQNMfT6ynzbZXFA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:H4fMFt2isNM=:2z2hYusLABq34l3Da5mbz7 mkRsmrBc/kotkm3qnlhNwnUBcL+j3t2jTTlBxrRUJvRk3iumqvf+NyEVBFOYu2BZMjy+s8bYP V1rMhVrOgXUbsGgi16JxAfQPxPIV538FSCBKmiLwYXbhvmboYAwFHrNJwh5kPF6xEgVUmOhAl lKs5yWAkGu6G8NS7veBCvFeq0/Jzx7lsmCFJEcEofOFHrLRZda1x+s8aIOW7VOm0btNIsN7ji QebfsVTRwaKRJEbw+vki2ZJyPlRBopFj8Nghb3fqjNDEQC1xxvwUr3Eck5KXg12uz9eBhcqjU o7g9weoIRQ8ok1tLbBAexufAkGB37kjnj7fG+8CamnLR8T39zeEiEOrgPqfi41pwxtfwnxl9u jNT0B5cigdVcWFCrDJOxRHw9uXExTqJVQ0KDjzVpd1ilSs9ip4G1KXFYJ3pnERabE0Urzr3Cq ffUOnfpOGwSHGsugI+OpiaBeFSyXDG61cwBfY+IBYvGBaYESAAw+27Wj+cvYRQ0NpgdBVWGno 9M9cCqJChm98yRAipv7vg+e38LDwCX4kFVl1KfsoYiwBty+S/JVefbl7DFcA0UK6ntDekgdnk G9WK2NPBvah85L8h1oVZoT9UJsAcrW+GRJaecHr296Y5vMXd61gkVejdAXkh8ZxcCyW8Pi2G/ TIQPjevKeNO7Y0mMBD6CJx0CBcWABA72CjWUz1x1jW7ZIWGnOuNkJ4JlRlNEsEMwIMjoPqfwg 9RD+hZkqozB7yaCVYubasQ8WHnc2miUNtrBiJysnmmramcZwNI+aOnGI8iA3Y21OupCAEGkLy b8BusZ3Nm5U6XoRorr/RtBJPuGl1hFaDYEob4d8waTznZvU9++A4UEqW+stdZRKtLWClv7Vkm b21l3QIxY+uQKuXJQUK/C421FwIBvdSlgubiQ0HN0= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: Hi Drew, > But even a prefix of "t" might be sufficient to > usually distinguish Tramp's protocol names. In > this case, ~//tmedia would mean Tramp's protocol > and ~//media would mean (change to) local > directory /media. Until now, it is just the "media" method which is too close to a directory name. And this can simply be avoided; taking "media" off the default values of tramp-gvfs-methods would deactivate it; users who want to exploit it must activate it first. But currently I'm thinking about K=C3=A9vin's arguments to call it "mtp". It was also my first choice, but I wanted to be fair to the "gphoto2" method. > Yeah, it's ugly. But the Tramp syntax is > apparently inherently ambiguous here (i.e., can > conflict with a dir name). This will always be the case. Once I got a bug report from a user, who wanted to access a local directory "/ssh:example.com/", see bug#31489. Achhhh ... Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 03:52:48 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 08:52:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58692 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt5Jg-000256-Fv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 03:52:48 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:48431) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt5Je-00024t-Ug for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 03:52:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608972752; bh=qFyvhbm77QwfH7SuKokksb69rOxJbpUxXL1E+qNxBI4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=AthBHlez65ijc8WAm0RN+32gfeWLvOelpK/UIJGXsBRd4RDFP/fgiAJ/WJUlzfWFE oRpYeKZWxf9GqBoLrcbICjCbIgA1KQVhCx6tHoew2/whVKuI6K6hzy1lV8I2cv79Xn 5H5DGknz7BegKYlWg0AdHaJEiZow03sdkUYcNk6E= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.50.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MOiDd-1kgcZE3LH5-00QEic; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:52:31 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Subject: Re: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> <87im8ph2xo.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:52:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87im8ph2xo.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Sat, 26 Dec 2020 00:38:11 +0100") Message-ID: <871rfd0x0x.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:nkR9z6kVmzYwALyl4isipXoZT2U7zRycfRXPbxGdPrLAbUr/HHR RWDbhyl4UPY1p7dDBFDkU1iOjp1SKM8IJW98nZG6N7M8VFIwRX6aBmIFzsOztnZzffJHGxr qT9b6HnrrTthA521t5aExbckCJcYOYR97K12Vq62l9VeeD5+AQkPuh2feeP8afTrOGTB5uD C6YmhiZOx1D1NZYD1HNTg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ysFSPi7Gw68=:n5AXAvEG7V+7tBFmlRsrxP hgaaClbOQLVoqPH4o1PfbVKJsGX0cFebH+scRl2dLLmsq5NxttjIfbub+nZua9U3oTXtblVT+ XjUH/VWtYnzwZTejAUDxCsM2YE+3PDcU9Lx6tSAK5tZFXEgAEO9CQG7X8XxX9SDjpAVDsP5DN plVpAmYH6KGbLFLSGvo+N4P0a9Uf8y116tr0luUGMM54v3xlwecP367OJDTvJAIQpBxVA2Ak7 GdvoO6LcwUYxEKBtDc82bkNlK2/uy1o0tYjMa4JUo3PAma4p+o7GVYLdTi+TVXL0iqRGBANUq JxJuEobN4teFfOT3xmHwFpaw/XiorluR8xgn/v0jFjgOlDYf/RRa/DOlH/yypQhVyatwkV4qE nYsCljuMNMdD7WPFMnMdLiP3+KH5V6UnzbLw03sDbRuJXPZ/QL19lngGehy/mLc74iG37Q2oW cAz7ugoBG7jiimDxvK8vW+CEeWIDIsyYeFuX1e2wKuRaIDHQ086FBBJKh7zZpipp4LIhqzOdi bSG3Q8pji6GVx9pFqw4Nv5xZYqfVa4kgTYAxgyARDhllp6VTVCOPZpZoRGOlNt1J05h7KLNFH X0dbN0FmFt/a1F9BJelp/TT8k4fidMrQuDM4SSO55qyzSt4s9qxxW4vqMKMmKISN0WAMlaNyJ A6qd6IOIACOyXZLDArQnCpzh4glm4CdKFfT1ozG1oNSUMErZDQOkveZt0NTVCVf3ayA+A0ZEU +Fak6p5Lx77QxwiIWocD1u4h+M8A3RIYnGIEeH6Uo8PXO3EOUDH304QLabEVtruq2yuahCkqU mr81mC+ipBDSgEAxLFFTnjghCUtFXrosURnjubW8I/HjRJHV3zFeqTYBTtUdwqoTl2t4lo1Mr Ppe3Fp1QjGnqe7yza3xlA3uOmxYWPz6NiWCZJoUH4= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: Hi K=C3=A9vin, > I might be missing something, but it seems to me like there is a rather > large design space for opt-in, backward-compatible ways to disambiguate > Tramp methods: off the top of my head, I could imagine e.g. a variable > (say "tramp-implicit-methods") which There are people who use Tramp, and there are people who don't. For the latter, there is tramp-mode. Setting it to nil makes Tramp silent, in all aspects. Customizing which Tramp methods shall be used for completion is too complicate for the majority of users I believe. > Or we could go the opposite route, with e.g. tramp-explicit-methods (nil > by default), which in the context of this report could be set to > '("media") so that /media can complete to /media/$USER, and users would > be required to type out /trampmedia: explicitly. This exists already. Remove the "media" entry from tramp-methods, and you're done. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 05:23:02 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 10:23:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6j0-0004FU-Cl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:23:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56488) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6iy-0004Ei-V5 for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:23:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60190) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6it-0000FC-KG; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:22:55 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6is-0000mO-J8; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:22:54 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <874kka2lgz.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:06:52 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> <874kka2lgz.fsf@gmx.de> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:22:54 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The mount protocols are different depending on the device, they could be > "mtp" or "gphoto2". In order to hide these details, I have chosen the > Tramp connection method "media", which DTRT for whichever protocol. What > different Tramp connection name shall I use instead? I'm notorious bad > in selecting proper names. How about /device: ? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 05:28:53 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 10:28:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6of-0004Oj-K6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:28:53 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:55937) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6od-0004OV-4n for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:28:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608978525; bh=wlHSG7R4pserD6IBep4DlOSb1AOrmfLSlET1EJXZOqI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ESU+dpoLGvlWn0tJYmqupP8DPs39i8fB0S66clj15m2HvJ32rIxCUUeJBcCIdA8uP kDsvZboAYOSYEPh0rLgaSyuEOZHs599i2HjqtbOlWM6TCvvWDOB4ZId9NX/X6SfCXT yui9oVvmDNBGHrMUoc0XLIu6FTY3OUbEmgO0gPLE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.50.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N17UQ-1jvPl83vsA-012VVg; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:28:45 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> <874kka2lgz.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:28:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 26 Dec 2020 05:22:54 -0500") Message-ID: <87sg7szwrn.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9qV0bKCJ1k6q80k1wPmoJ31NKGsXwy0WYiPyv+r7CaH+FeQcvQR gVE921LmZLj23b0iGq+4/U5qq9VLecwgFypMALDQHC/4MOt486wjNzOKQiqzol4CCl1G/eg Mbx6QFkNLcFAtSysWQaDMzPIk3Noc3RoOW9ixvmwtkzSzajZRdhisPnGMWre0Ed/VI1IS6q QKpydICJkff/AJh2H5wkA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:kd8Ye9tDnHo=:d97s5/BQNa1rbzloZjqPJt 9qjrBXvokl/G9ahFDI9jscmRb8vc65VB2NTgkWVeQEPu2A+qJqYbxNSsr0o+S+mYyUHAQPZUg zT9ImT2BvbFnc9o7rVn5RjyaK+j8BMLMRfEBhYOTmw4smB5EC0AnDUXR4m2sj8hVTJb330d1o fYqTr9Q/1tiKv1jBbOtiWMewzPDZL4mrYax/Y6XptOojAr5P4XOj4IsrtF5udUostY46rGiQz kvWMmj+9cdgIaUdDpwRTbG6zUaP2SuaYYNaJsRc0zXlb0sODgZNyLGA4Uw6Vn4gYS6bm71Kr1 83AXwsTqL6y1weNOk+qhJ0DOathLvoilzkfic2csL4q5irTwZkRdKLN8w9+D+FCGlzbm7Tt5N 2spvp4KVlUHhUzMVrDE3+jPEHqzNCzZFVncsVNqkf98QOuccWwywbNW+i0Bn+OC1rBKqu6Z2r HJ0bil9yjfFUyaeIa44LnyZ8PhR+C12DUPjrX8fMyQwGtCsmgZHV61YlKG05TeBBAQBCxbRFd 8MEtQ5dPbfGfTX5kTwjV4UWGrcpOchOlBMUQoz5ms1WKwQGan7YHyEMh2Ek1l9pxe6mb67mZE D9CDfZhkiTq6B6I/zjuYjN9tpbRfqpeW1RVBdHDREw+JDQoZLjNULdoCTU9wunvVkSTBaANT8 d3a3InVxa4D0HAc7U7Tg7uWnrG4JSmYw5jgRHBPLBWpM9q7bgneqC8iUKKjhejLgFMzrJL9k4 XSokuaqDz2vlIMmqAADfBflSMBiDuP/fD1yku8pldJVJsU0tU4b8/b0pRSt055PvjMW60fiWT RBBdJt2++dBxt3uEas16rYjT89+OvGNus2KrEGdgCF32r2o5pHZWeBN0Q0XEr0PT5ZaATUdMT 2Zywzt1/cWRtkJTX5bZRnYYTQJ0Lt8s58GhtHUZyM= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Richard Stallman writes: Hi Richard, > > The mount protocols are different depending on the device, they could be > > "mtp" or "gphoto2". In order to hide these details, I have chosen the > > Tramp connection method "media", which DTRT for whichever protocol. What > > different Tramp connection name shall I use instead? I'm notorious bad > > in selecting proper names. > > How about /device: ? Yes, that was something I took into account when I'vge created "/media:". However, people typing "/dev TAB" will also be annoyed, because it could complete to "/dev/" and to "/device:". Meanwhile, I'm discussing with myself, whether "/mtp:" is acceptable. It is the superior protocol. I hope I will win the discussion :-) Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 06:44:36 2020 Received: (at 45402-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 11:44:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58798 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7zw-0006Rz-6K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 06:44:36 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:51221) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kt7zt-0006Rl-UC for 45402-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 06:44:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608983067; bh=8zwoIpsF/nWOJ+3K/ehlNcqZBZUmrHu+GqHMmdf59aU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=PsaZmHupYy/dPMpNLtwBRAYj8gl1RBgPQ+qQC+k3uyZ5IVnjtzaffrcYmD8DetsNi L8hvSFQEMAsFY8wrfmou308nH0s/lhxSKeATrwVxGLxTvdJyp0IDDY9ZklQx0KcLzq CKzolY/yrJB44r5ER3VvDL39/nc7BzhYhO5JHrVQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.50.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MDhlV-1kiNAK1E3z-00AlFv; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:44:27 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Subject: Re: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:44:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Fri, 25 Dec 2020 23:11:46 +0100") Message-ID: <877dp4zt9h.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:nYHntxJb7iOkBFFLI7vV60EqbtcuaZUBy/oSycfOsJepDs6jFiJ AN6bZTgWCX6YO2fJm/hLboiu1/LzZ88cyXqbhiWvm0zbHYzooK8WWRrOTCLG77f0kj4WGuf ZU8fFNCEodLRtEaMhvbdTTeQvbTG1r8IXyH5PBaFIp+ifnizejIl59/tQq9FONGM/yFfwpi 9OUXVHGuQ+iPzdxCB5eRw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Fs6LKEThD9c=:/UhRtcrlnANh96bdmA/Xzg TBoGrnEut8G3iNrY2kqQ07H9Qu0htJM9EKw3HJzGbl6XR9aVR05unIE/JNOPhXYAVEQ/14azn fkKuCAgk04Qs8aSNd4IAwf72sxvjm18yDyG77vdvFS16R8u156QniWbf3OlS0kN7zct+ajP7X 9HDfYI/H0Xk5xBHQYkf0JoCpx4kFOwSbLfSG6qYkpf8k3oBCUXJDmtQjWJHT7MGCtw4JKV2Fh G+rKSWiQuDlk9IR223jbEygIkjwZ36OppA0QcRzRAnvXwlSIKyATJaHCOdEqgB4ewzhvJbeAb Xo6RY/w9TwfaJy4an1Y/xHirUzsYNanEIso9DWrW6M8+5yQQhbkyrw0HnK+ZvcPIbNqTEB8PQ bsdvOb2ZGSKFEbIYrKvzAdRf9DJE01TLtzvDFkVtISnvPFYqXrfWjkfb+cY9Z+kkO5IkY9d47 RtxKVlQ04dQ307FcxwDBTJ1FibABe+eZXzIzTzSzAitZaUpEE8ihbSCRDL8q0gtDtqnB8BSAy ae81z82Y7+CZFN4LDOsLxL6VDCZTemmGv8Uvdddq/DnjtqY6kMFl8CDs6uZyiI6EsoDVRvcKG d2X2mo3oFBdjz/xxD16T3wowkvxnAU9I43h+jI4q3rPK3qzntfhpUEoCuxmO+Y0+e8J7sKoCb g4cL0Cir3Imkc8MCIFzGx72hg+UCTlDjvdP6JDxR+XAD9qKY7XE401r9T1z0fbhmcdVzEUlxi Owpeo+fv96nIJodrwPjrqNjJ8aL0cL1BABt/RZdDIgjk7euDks2HlLg7zb62dh3jYOv34HdXY KLmQBDK10oA4C5UQDJtgbmeB/0hQbOlfkcjPvMVvG3BL5sudfA51/+f1HeA49FfCJTJKYFyHW aWzhIvN4N52y5lFTFPXqNW99mRNbWBSl4reeO+toQ= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402-done Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45402-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: Hi K=C3=A9vin, > I have no expertise whatsoever about these protocols; I only learned > about them just now. Are there users we could poll to find a method > name that makes sense? I've looked at 2020-01-22 "Add new Tramp method > "media"" (2d9d62bb24), but I could not see any bug ID, so I don't know > who we could turn to. There was no external request, it was my own decision to add this Tramp method. Finally, I've converted "media" to "mtp" in Tramp. So what. Closing the bug. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 26 13:55:14 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Dec 2020 18:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59903 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktEif-0000oK-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:55:14 -0500 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:38004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktEie-0000no-My for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:55:13 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0BQIt7Ns030910; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:55:07 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=5alg88L4VxfS/CrDgBDOOPC+7w4/G6gN7sGSjvNFcKU=; b=B6Z61Mfow29H5dK7qEBXGUA293PEAXY763X5hTRoBNwKuIIiJRDx2LtVbae6bX4IPcib k+EFM9gDssnmiwJdjN5rnIi0ThK/JKTTtUVqYClDf10Jz1iDoAxLXcvhpwHt42EpJW4h C0ZxSOMqXghPA2He9PvcuaejcgPkf69LT7C7p3iM5ACWwVpRLc4A8fxymhlcvp9wbHpg bkfaKuxPFIAYmg3/CYl+Iy5pEaSrVe89J5zhx18cuEdDldb9jDVRAqs2csgJqQ75xXMx l+hUz/HrajWTmYfy4J+wkR35Ax3Xq34Q4cbIIijnLLjJDFluAWRRvmKJMuBPlH87+Z65 Aw== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 35nw4kgupd-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:55:06 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0BQIoBwK023187; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:53:06 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 35nw0051d5-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:53:06 +0000 Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0BQIr5cC020066; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 18:53:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <86a283f2-1986-415e-a32c-ea04ebe8e764@default> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:53:04 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Michael Albinus Subject: RE: bug#45402: Rename Tramp method "media" References: <87y2hmh1ij.fsf@gnus.org> <878s9mi13q.fsf@gmail.com> <87im8pfzsb.fsf@gnus.org> <87eejd1vck.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8ihh6xp.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <3b97680e-761a-4075-b64a-ad6d3a1004bf@default> <875z4p0xdk.fsf@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <875z4p0xdk.fsf@gmx.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5095.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9846 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=840 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012260128 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9846 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=872 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2012260128 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 45402@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?S8OpdmluIExlIEdvdWd1ZWM=?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Once I got a bug report from a user, who wanted > to access a local directory "/ssh:example.com/", > see bug#31489. Achhhh ... Yowza! ;-) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 27 00:34:28 2020 Received: (at 45402) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2020 05:34:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60178 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktOhH-0003Nr-Sz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:34:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktOhG-0003Nc-CF for 45402@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:34:26 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktOhB-0001Zs-05; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:34:21 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ktOh2-00018G-RI; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:34:13 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <87sg7szwrn.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:28:43 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45402: 28.0.50; new completion inconvenience References: <87wnx737qj.fsf@gmx.de> <874kka2lgz.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg7szwrn.fsf@gmx.de> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:34:12 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45402 Cc: 45402@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Yes, that was something I took into account when I'vge created > "/media:". However, people typing "/dev TAB" will also be annoyed, > because it could complete to "/dev/" and to "/device:". I thought about that and concluded that there is little occasion to enter /dev in a minibuffer in Emacs. (Have you ever done so?) So it is a potential problem that won't actually happen, and that makes it ok. > Meanwhile, I'm discussing with myself, whether "/mtp:" is acceptable. It > is the superior protocol. I hope I will win the discussion :-) I see no problem with it. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 27 04:50:10 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2020 09:50:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60329 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktSgk-0005bn-ED for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 04:50:10 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:49061) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ktSgh-0005bE-8h for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 04:50:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1609062601; bh=vrVo684Xdae4qfc+7N/8Yt8cWUr1XnKrw/EoRchbBBI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:To:From:Subject; b=htYGwTr0jjkOwerdPLAdzLR/0surigcHnwT8fF1rktn4QA84SlmXeT/vdYGUkRujz P/S6aL0BQczmxujQzISK6jhnct+dzctBXjc0YCCD+6Iz8ePMciAzAsXYFCiCiurwHs oJNE6Xl9S0rpcy0bOWRasaTtXPrDBSt94DfCfD9I= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.50.141]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MPXhK-1kgjEI38gU-00MeFv for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:50:00 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:49:59 +0100 Message-Id: <87wnx3y3w8.fsf@gmx.de> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Michael Albinus Subject: control message for bug #45402 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:PuVosb557Cuckz5QQgYUgJpn+O8RO8l0u64EKaJcnebRORStfcP qGNrizqJYx5TQkLR8i2mTOJ0KxvMyuwfOYO4YRUkS90QMq0iXgd40ZIkI38neXrP3sWiNqy 5UCredWs+mTH3Qthqc5ZFglJmdt44V/RayhwSXBjCbepHXmutP1f/DJOIQLg+Hnh5nhWY1U z1D3jo4kR9FgKIEJmOWeg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:JWSjrviydY8=:BInnVk4vZRgBgxDqc9CwmC LUlI88AOZPp0fKON4AJxe7haCB79Yccql6yobspN3Ha6kTT+kI4Ad+s6bwO/BuHr8hhvhJ46G 98xaSgRUwqRdjL43hN5xo8HQPm+tVzl8fa6qNNBmpRo5zM9RTvCA3lE/ZPJDlKAAdRbVmuYeF rnXd5DctfHcflNi3HZBsU246UjIhYZ7C93l8Q0Nsv3A6nj1SJ1ioPQQz6IhXwqiuIwphUnYc2 OZfYONGQ7SmyKHKE2SqJlNyvamVp1ZlZX8yDcJ8HukTxIr7UGcQ6ESDQ8AY0eveWdhp2hVxtf mzDWfTFk0O4FcsgNFA0SWru27jcUQWiS6rKxZqq/9Z7gwxMzZuOvcSoOqplzz5xC3eC1bXt6K Cf+D6PXIQJJhM7bDOwqJgsq9jxApcot3zBGWfONYlZyM/k8VzeR0f0TRU1wMRaTJ5LP0XCGsN kbJWTKgbnidzQVyPPblIBKx5N58DeZkVEOKeiMh/BP2PYXXOzM9aNqHPZ7C3B9EBg6n0MfhMT bsnzuUAiVabgU7o2hTKXt4jmfh85y1B9lO15Niwx+sNh8t80I5uid4zqJBo/WB1Y87A7sQ4dN Ozim8f09xBjcdajTjmSc0rimbtaY+3nIMRRcQI0lKfSGfwmQJsdBoh6RQyZQPWk+zipvdGw0S HrgU9HVZRgnG114ZgNbm7o/SntdEli8RyP3+Yf3yxOoDumPmjt23Oseu1fOLZIdpnDO2qSSZg w+bO8Mg5pYMBIbFw3GOeTmDm2yhWcDW+U7FCHk7jgC1LktBnNEU4hTpErDLRk39arjcH5r7oS KcW0M5P4okoeSpeecCoF3B2nLcjfiR1kB7HKyx0yWQ+KnJxj5p5+kzIvQ490DTFx+f3tZTaks 6Sggw4rqqZ4LL3n36bMOMqplON4FsZ+shE+wqDJVA= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) fixed 45402 28.1 quit From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:50:01 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator