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23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace

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From: andy.ling <at> quantel.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:13:57 +0100

I've just updated from emacs 21.3 to 23.1 and I have found that kill-line 
behaves differently.

Run emacs -q
open a buffer and enter a line of spaces
go to the beginning of line and kill line (C-a C-k)
The line is deleted through the newline to the next line
Now execute (setq show-trailing-whitespace t)
Again enter a line of spaces and go to the beginning of the line.
This time the spaces should be hilighted in red.
Now kill the line. The line is only killed up to the newline.

This is different behaviour to emacs 21.3 and I don't believe it to be the 
intended behaviour.

Regards

Andy Ling





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Message #8 received at 4538 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: andy.ling <at> quantel.com
Cc: 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:28:41 -0400

andy.ling <at> quantel.com wrote:

> Run emacs -q
> open a buffer and enter a line of spaces
> go to the beginning of line and kill line (C-a C-k)
> The line is deleted through the newline to the next line
> Now execute (setq show-trailing-whitespace t)
> Again enter a line of spaces and go to the beginning of the line.
> This time the spaces should be hilighted in red.
> Now kill the line. The line is only killed up to the newline.

It seems this is deliberate:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2004-02/msg00190.html

At first glance, it does seem a bit odd. It is also undocumented.

Message #13 received at 4538 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: andy.ling <at> quantel.com
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:48:16 +0100

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> wrote on 24/09/2009 04:28:41:

> andy.ling <at> quantel.com wrote:
> 
> > Run emacs -q
> > open a buffer and enter a line of spaces
> > go to the beginning of line and kill line (C-a C-k)
> > The line is deleted through the newline to the next line
> > Now execute (setq show-trailing-whitespace t)
> > Again enter a line of spaces and go to the beginning of the line.
> > This time the spaces should be hilighted in red.
> > Now kill the line. The line is only killed up to the newline.
> 
> It seems this is deliberate:
> 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2004-02/msg00190.html
> 
> At first glance, it does seem a bit odd. It is also undocumented.
> 

I'd say it seems odd at second glance too :-)

I can't believe everybody wants this behaviour. So to that end
can I suggest the traditional emacs approach is adopted and
it is made configurable.

Regards

Andy Ling



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From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: andy.ling <at> quantel.com
Cc: 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:17:39 -0400

andy.ling <at> quantel.com wrote:

> I can't believe everybody wants this behaviour. So to that end can I
> suggest the traditional emacs approach is adopted and it is made
> configurable.

Yes, but there shouldn't be options for absolutely everything.
The current behaviour makes no sense at all to me.
Let's see if anyone else has anything to say on this matter...

Message #19 received at 4538 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: andy.ling <at> quantel.com
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:47:58 +0100

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> wrote on 25/09/2009 07:17:39:

> andy.ling <at> quantel.com wrote:
> 
> > I can't believe everybody wants this behaviour. So to that end can I
> > suggest the traditional emacs approach is adopted and it is made
> > configurable.
> 
> Yes, but there shouldn't be options for absolutely everything.

True, but as at least one person wanted this behaviour and RMS
seemed to support it. So I thought it might be easier than going
back to the old behaviour.

> The current behaviour makes no sense at all to me.

I agree. Add my vote to the list.

> Let's see if anyone else has anything to say on this matter...
> 

I'll leave it in your hands and await the outcome then.

Thanks

Andy Ling


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Message #22 received at 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: andy.ling <at> quantel.com, 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:36:45 +0200

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> open a buffer and enter a line of spaces
>> go to the beginning of line and kill line (C-a C-k)
>> The line is deleted through the newline to the next line
>> Now execute (setq show-trailing-whitespace t)
>> Again enter a line of spaces and go to the beginning of the line.
>> This time the spaces should be hilighted in red.
>> Now kill the line. The line is only killed up to the newline.
>
> It seems this is deliberate:
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2004-02/msg00190.html
>
> At first glance, it does seem a bit odd. It is also undocumented.

It seems odd, but it makes a bit of sense.  `C-k' works differently when
there is visible text on the current line and when there's not.  That's
(somewhat) consistent.

So my feeling is that this should just be documented.

The current doc string says:

---
Kill the rest of the current line; if no nonblanks there, kill thru newline.
---

I think this should just be amended to say "visible nonblanks" and point
to `show-trailing-whitespace'.

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Message #25 received at 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: andy.ling <at> quantel.com, 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:13:19 -0400

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> It seems odd, but it makes a bit of sense.  `C-k' works differently when
> there is visible text on the current line and when there's not.  That's
> (somewhat) consistent.

Oh, OK, I guess I see.

> So my feeling is that this should just be documented.
>
> The current doc string says:
>
> ---
> Kill the rest of the current line; if no nonblanks there, kill thru newline.
> ---
>
> I think this should just be amended to say "visible nonblanks" and point
> to `show-trailing-whitespace'.

Message #32 received at 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: andy.ling <at> quantel.com, 4538 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#4538: 23.1; kill-line doesn't with show-trailing-whitespace
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 12:56:15 +0200

Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> It seems odd, but it makes a bit of sense.  `C-k' works differently when
>> there is visible text on the current line and when there's not.  That's
>> (somewhat) consistent.
>
> Oh, OK, I guess I see.

I've now updated the doc string, so I'm closing this report.

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