From ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Tue Sep 22 11:28:17 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Sep 2009 18:28:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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This helps to avoid the unclickable and irritating no man's land between the left screen border and the clickable scrollbar. Otherwise using the scrollbar is more difficult as mouse movements must be very precise horizontally - vertical precision would suffice. What I do here is either to use a negative geometry to avoid that space or I manually reposition that window. Note that I am happy to find some clean (.emacs.el) way to do this. In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of 2009-09-10 on gupu2 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10603000 configured using `configure '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--prefix' '/opt/gupu/emacs-git'' / From jan.h.d@swipnet.se Sat Nov 14 11:10:32 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Nov 2009 19:10:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: > In fullscreen mode, there is no way to configure the following (from the > original bug#4363): > > Using --without-toolkit-scroll-bars with the scrollbar on the left, the > window should be shifted a couple of pixels to the left. This helps to > avoid the unclickable and irritating no man's land between the left > screen border and the clickable scrollbar. Otherwise using the > scrollbar is more difficult as mouse movements must be very precise > horizontally - vertical precision would suffice. What I do here is > either to use a negative geometry to avoid that space or I manually > reposition that window. > > Note that I am happy to find some clean (.emacs.el) way to do this. > There is no no-mans-land for the Gtk-version of Emacs. This fixes it for the Lucid-version: (set-frame-parameter nil 'internal-border-width 0) Jan D. From ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Sat Nov 14 11:18:37 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Nov 2009 19:18:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAEJIaNq027105 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:18:37 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52933) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N9O8p-0006ia-MO for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:18:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N9O8n-00071e-PR for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:18:34 -0500 Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:51156) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N9O8n-00070K-FM for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:18:33 -0500 Received: from ulrich by a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1N9O8c-0002JW-7Z; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:18:22 +0100 To: 4524@debbugs.gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Subject: Re: bug#4524: 23.1.50; Fullscreen mode layout fixed (Reopen of bug#4363) Cc: 4524-done@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <4AFF00A0.9020105@swipnet.se> Message-Id: From: Ulrich Neumerkel Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:18:22 +0100 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) > There is no no-mans-land for the Gtk-version of Emacs. This fixes it for the > Lucid-version: But there are other problems with the Gtk-version that causes me to use the --without-toolkit-scroll-bars option. I.e. you cannot do precise positioning. Also you cannot undo precisely a page-next. This is very useful, in particular if you are not sitting in front of the screen but helping someone out - using only the mouse. Here is a nice explanation of these features: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/athena-scrollbars From jan.h.d@swipnet.se Sat Nov 14 14:41:18 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Nov 2009 22:41:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Ulrich Neumerkel skrev 2009-11-14 20.18: >> There is no no-mans-land for the Gtk-version of Emacs. This fixes it for the >> Lucid-version: > > But there are other problems with the Gtk-version that causes me to > use the --without-toolkit-scroll-bars option. > > I.e. you cannot do precise positioning. Also you cannot undo precisely > a page-next. This is very useful, in particular if you are not sitting > in front of the screen but helping someone out - using only the mouse. > > Here is a nice explanation of these features: > http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/athena-scrollbars This is something the people at Gtk+ decided, nothing Emacs can do about it. Jan D. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:36:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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