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org-capture user-error: Abort

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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org, Org-Mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org>,
 Ihor Radchenko <yantar92 <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: org-capture user-error: Abort
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:37:49 +0100

> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 11:46 AM
> From: "Jean Louis" <bugs <at> gnu.support>
> To: "Ihor Radchenko" <yantar92 <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: daniela-spit <at> gmx.it, bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org, "Org-Mode mailing list" <emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: org-capture user-error: Abort
>
> * Ihor Radchenko <yantar92 <at> gmail.com> [2020-12-13 11:21]:
> > Jean Louis <bugs <at> gnu.support> writes:
> > 
> > > * daniela-spit <at> gmx.it <daniela-spit <at> gmx.it> [2020-12-12 23:19]:
> > >> Emacs fires "user-error: Abort" after pressing "q" to abort org-capture.
> > >
> > > Those are error messages invented by programmers who never had any
> > > project supervisor who thinks of users.
> > 
> > (user-error "Action aborted") only prints "Action aborted".
> 
> Function is used wrongly. People do read source code.
> 
> (user-error FORMAT &rest ARGS)
> 
>   Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 24.
> 
> Signal a user error, making a message by passing ARGS to ‘format-message’.
> This is like ‘error’ except that a user error (or "pilot error") comes
> from an incorrect manipulation by the user, not from an actual problem.
> In contrast with other errors, user errors normally do not cause
> entry to the debugger, even when ‘debug-on-error’ is non-nil.
> This can be overridden by ‘debug-ignored-errors’.
> 
> Did user incorrectly manipulated anything? I don't think so. 
> 
> There was definitely good intention to glue the things together and
> make things function. But it was not made from viewpoint that software
> will be used by people, maybe people read source code which is what we
> want. Under certain condition that will come up as actual error, see
> debug-ignored-errors.
> 
> Why tell to user that it was user error when it was not? It was one of
> options.

I agree absolutely.
 
> Focus on technicality that causes the problem which does not fit
> reasonably into human meanings. We like meanings, that is why we want
> to fit meanings where they belong. Systems are not enough meaningful.
> 
> I can love my bicycle as I want, but it may not be usable by other
> people due to all idiosyncratic enhancements I have made to it.
> 
> Jean
> 
> 

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