From dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu Tue Sep 22 08:29:07 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Sep 2009 15:29:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8MFT6Q2004846 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:29:07 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mq7If-0006av-Us for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:29:05 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Mq7Ia-0006aZ-Jf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:29:04 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37981 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Mq7Ia-0006aW-C6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:29:00 -0400 Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.120]:54353) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq7IZ-0001Wr-1B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:29:00 -0400 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8MFRF2w020259 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n8MFRFQ7017415; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200909221527.n8MFRFQ7017415@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: bug-gnu-emacs Subject: downcasing function arguments by default not appropriate in multi-tty X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Lines: 10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n8MFRF2w020259 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) *Help* buffers downcase function arguments depending on the font in use (if it supports italics?). Changing a buffer's contents based on the font is use is not appropriate since we have multi-tty, the same buffer can be shown simultaneously in an X11 frame and a tty frame, and the properties of the font used in the X11 frame can be very different from the ones used in a tty frame. So changing the buffer content _by_default_ is not a good idea. AFAIK we do not do such a thing anywhere else in emacs. From lekktu@gmail.com Tue Sep 22 14:42:40 2009 Received: (at 4520) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Sep 2009 21:42:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8MLgcL2003489 for <4520@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:42:40 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so145849bwz.1 for <4520@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=lkU7ygu61PwlZUjgZx2XCYlJeqMYQd/U1Tjp9a6fJyI=; b=roWFA9vSQdsFq1nSpLeTVdQiDdQbtPAs7d0itKoMonYbv1RAY/PgqKnC3S4uCbyPGu xhY8zB8ljTYMS9e950U7LcJEOH4/+Ol83uht46QzmYsyJ3FsFniuyBdXb102otS0leds mVQApqXNpcgoET5lbg4vLpHIX1yZKMmNIB2PQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=GkW8b9KVzrWQnBN9XVy6TypPgPLaf2yIhOCfAho1XhRRQLvylViavpYq0S0Gw76By/ UHBlv/yoYfIyGgqYTk0HrOZYkHs06JC/3VjPCKLz4NIkvgOjOCCWBWrq++0c3v0FGwl8 zEMGiI+4yq3igUTE4yUULayivwvidF1hX1hr0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.182.137 with SMTP id q9mr136735hbg.72.1253655753175; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:42:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200909221527.n8MFRFQ7017415@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> References: <200909221527.n8MFRFQ7017415@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:42:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#4520: downcasing function arguments by default not appropriate in multi-tty To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 4520@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 17:27, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > Changing a buffer's contents based on the font is use is not appropriate > since we have multi-tty, the same buffer can be shown simultaneously in > an X11 frame and a tty frame, and the properties of the font used in the > X11 frame can be very different from the ones used in a tty frame. Well, when the argument downcasing was implemented multi-tty wasn't in Emacs, so it's no wonder we didn't think of that. > So changing the buffer content _by_default_ is not a good idea. > AFAIK we do not do such a thing anywhere else in emacs. In the patch I'm planning to commit for #4510 I proposed (defcustom help-downcase-arguments (and (face-differs-from-default-p 'help-argument-name) t) ...) but it's just as easy to initialize it to nil. It's an interface change, but not too serious; a note on NEWS will suffice, IMO. I'll adjust my patch. Juanma From lekktu@gmail.com Thu Sep 24 12:25:50 2009 Received: (at 4520-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Sep 2009 19:25:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com (mail-bw0-f223.google.com [209.85.218.223]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8OJPmeb010684; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:25:49 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so1782142bwz.1 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=qWCzoZ3I6JM5n3KC9s7XqDYmNWx1/91EVp8If/k/vTA=; b=LHKZjstdn+8CCgUzHWir6pJuHd+EVn5+3+caP9LQm4vQ9LktbnJr/fGxDhZx9sTlWV tSLRRhetq+zU0Ef/2Ogoy8BBd7njhVG5wuajo8HVZe+3XxQkFcuw/OXDRTfJl4hUOgc2 6jPz6X6xmS34GyiqbflQ0surRUV67bt3r0NfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Eo6A+hPj9nVhqViZ8pi46lCxB4wMCMdJmDTQaoCGeM6VYzjO/8j8r0IGPbAGabiFn0 QAcsASKOdpeWeCRmxkefes42tsRqQpAKLW3Lhj6nbjDYtD5w1pD9RkfKnTJi6SZy5ifi g8cgJvHJNaF1/Ruotbn2rDLOgw8zPc6R1ybJA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.168.153 with SMTP id k25mr304379hbe.68.1253820342151; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <49ADA31DA6A342CCB1E5FF47158A498A@us.oracle.com> <6C58CFFF6FFE46968BA790F764525B8A@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:25:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#4510: 23.1; Separate help-argument-face from downcasing To: Drew Adams , Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 4510-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 4520-done@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've installed the patch, defaulting `help-downcase-arguments' to nil as per Dan's request in bug#4520. If someone objects to the change in the default appearance of argument names we'll know soon enough... Juanma From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:22:54 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:24:12 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # A New Hope # A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away # something happened. # # Magically this resulted in the following # action being taken, but this fake control # message doesn't tell you why it happened # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator