From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 04 16:48:51 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 21:48:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klIwc-0005wD-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:48:51 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:60636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klIwZ-0005w3-5t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:48:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33952) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klIwY-0007Dl-SC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:48:46 -0500 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:33563) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klIwW-0003MF-Ub for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 16:48:46 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.57]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002C0006.000000005FCAAE98.00007E77; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 21:48:07 +0000 From: Jean Louis To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.0.50; y-or-n-p-with-timout: allows me to go with the arrow to begin of the minibuffer X-Hashcash: 1:20:201204:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::wrMZVZx+9IPvaQWd:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000ZDT Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 00:47:55 +0300 Message-ID: <86v9dhdz04.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=admin@protected.rcdrun.com; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: 17 X-Spam_score: 1.7 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.14.8, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2020-11-25 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 30c437752df0a3a9410f1249fa0f237 [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4 RBL: Very Good reputation (+4) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [197.157.0.57 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=admin%40protected.rcdrun.com;ip=209.51.188.17;r=debbugs.gnu.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "No parent nodes, do you wish to exit? " 2 nil) It allows me, and it should not, to move cursor with arrow left to begin of the buffer over the words "No parent nodes..." In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo versio= n 1.14.8, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2020-11-25 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 30c437752df0a3a9410f1249fa0f237110811af2 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11907000 System Description: Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre Configured using: 'configure --prefix=3D/package/text/emacs --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=3Dlucid' Configured features: XAW3D XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS LUCID X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dexwm-xim locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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Memory information: ((conses 16 54230 7343) (symbols 48 7290 1) (strings 32 20170 1251) (string-bytes 1 642774) (vectors 16 11522) (vector-slots 8 164377 7425) (floats 8 26 42) (intervals 56 179 53) (buffers 984 11)) --=20 Thanks, Jean Louis =E2=8E=94 =CE=BB =F0=9F=84=AF =F0=9D=8D=84 =F0=9D=8C=A1 =F0=9D=8C=9A From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 05 02:48:40 2020 Received: (at 45044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2020 07:48:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46487 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klSJ6-0003RL-95 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 02:48:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klSJ4-0003R9-GT for 45044@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 02:48:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42527) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klSIy-0006GJ-79; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 02:48:33 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4271 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1klSIx-0004TW-4i; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 02:48:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 09:48:16 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1o4d77j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jean Louis In-Reply-To: <86v9dhdz04.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 05 Dec 2020 00:47:55 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#45044: 28.0.50; y-or-n-p-with-timout: allows me to go with the arrow to begin of the minibuffer References: <86v9dhdz04.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45044 Cc: 45044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Jean Louis > Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 00:47:55 +0300 > > (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "No parent nodes, do you wish to exit? " 2 nil) > > It allows me, and it should not, to move cursor with arrow left to begin > of the buffer over the words "No parent nodes..." Why shouldn't it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 05 03:13:17 2020 Received: (at 45044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2020 08:13:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46492 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klSgv-00042s-A4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:13:17 -0500 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:58635) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klSgs-00042d-VN for 45044@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:13:16 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.57]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002C0007.000000005FCB4114.00003B68; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 08:13:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:08:25 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#45044: 28.0.50; y-or-n-p-with-timout: allows me to go with the arrow to begin of the minibuffer Message-ID: References: <86v9dhdz04.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> <83r1o4d77j.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83r1o4d77j.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-12-05 10:49]: > > From: Jean Louis > > Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 00:47:55 +0300 > > > > (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "No parent nodes, do you wish to ex [...] Content analysis details: (3.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [197.157.0.57 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45044 Cc: 45044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-12-05 10:49]: > > From: Jean Louis > > Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 00:47:55 +0300 > > > > (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "No parent nodes, do you wish to ex [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [197.157.0.57 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager * Eli Zaretskii [2020-12-05 10:49]: > > From: Jean Louis > > Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 00:47:55 +0300 > > > > (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "No parent nodes, do you wish to exit? " 2 nil) > > > > It allows me, and it should not, to move cursor with arrow left to begin > > of the buffer over the words "No parent nodes..." > > Why shouldn't it? I see that those reading functions allow user to go back. Myself I did not maybe use for decades arrows or C-b to go back, as I always used BACKSPACE and I am relying that backspace will not bring me into impossible situation not to be on read-only text when I am anyway just asked to enter something, and not to edit the non-editable prompt. Thus from experience of using always BACKSPACE and BACKSPACE does not allow me to move to the read-only prompt comes also the expectation that arrows or C-b should not move cursor to the prompt itself as it is not useful to be on prompt as I just want to enter text. The minibuffer also does not move cursor to begin of the prompt when using C-a and when there is all that prevention for cursor not to move to the prompt then C-b and left arrow makes me surprised and it appears as unwanted behavior. Maybe it is wanted. To me it is rather unexpected due to habit. I expect left arrow not to be able to move onto read-only text. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 05 03:54:55 2020 Received: (at 45044) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2020 08:54:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46524 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klTLC-000527-QO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:54:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klTLB-00051p-JI; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:54:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klTL6-0003Ds-3e; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:54:48 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4334 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1klTL5-0002qL-IT; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 03:54:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 10:54:31 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfecd454.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jean Louis In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:08:25 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#45044: 28.0.50; y-or-n-p-with-timout: allows me to go with the arrow to begin of the minibuffer References: <86v9dhdz04.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> <83r1o4d77j.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45044 Cc: 45044@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 45044 notabug close 45044 thanks > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:08:25 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: 45044@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "No parent nodes, do you wish to exit? " 2 nil) > > > > > > It allows me, and it should not, to move cursor with arrow left to begin > > > of the buffer over the words "No parent nodes..." > > > > Why shouldn't it? > > I see that those reading functions allow user to go back. Myself > I did not maybe use for decades arrows or C-b to go back, as I > always used BACKSPACE and I am relying that backspace will not > bring me into impossible situation not to be on read-only text > when I am anyway just asked to enter something, and not to edit > the non-editable prompt. You cannot edit it, but you can move around there in non-destructive ways. > Thus from experience of using always BACKSPACE and BACKSPACE does > not allow me to move to the read-only prompt comes also the > expectation that arrows or C-b should not move cursor to the > prompt itself as it is not useful to be on prompt as I just want > to enter text. BACKSPACE deletes, so it is not allowed in read-only text. C-b doesn't modify the text, so it is allowed. It can come in handy if, for example, you want to copy (M-w) the entire contents of the minibuffer, or its portions that include the prompt. > The minibuffer also does not move cursor to begin of the prompt > when using C-a and when there is all that prevention for cursor > not to move to the prompt then C-b and left arrow makes me > surprised and it appears as unwanted behavior. C-a behaves specially in these cases. In particular, try this: C-a C-b C-a > Maybe it is wanted. To me it is rather unexpected due to habit. I > expect left arrow not to be able to move onto read-only text. This expectation is outdated since Emacs 21.1, where "fields" were introduced into Emacs. Read all about fields in the node "Fields" of the ELisp manual. I'm therefore closing this bug report. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:25:16 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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