From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Devon Sean McCullough Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16070528304625 (code B ref -1); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:34:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 03:33:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qv-0001CX-RY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:50 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qu-0001CP-9K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qu-0003wA-2k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:48 -0500 Received: from gateway23.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.50.141]:17791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qr-0004vN-Cl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:47 -0500 Received: from cm10.websitewelcome.com (cm10.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.4]) by gateway23.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA4C962E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.82.99]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id l1qfkPEdLuDoAl1qfkwIq0; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 Received: from pool-72-83-171-228.washdc.east.verizon.net ([72.83.171.228]:50285 helo=[192.168.1.165]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qe-001ZQk-VW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0600 From: Devon Sean McCullough Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 22:33:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 72.83.171.228 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1kl1qe-001ZQk-VW X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-72-83-171-228.washdc.east.verizon.net ([192.168.1.165]) [72.83.171.228]:50285 X-Source-Auth: devon2011@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Received-SPF: pass client-ip=192.185.50.141; envelope-from=emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net; helo=gateway23.websitewelcome.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. Peace --Devon In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95)) of 2020-08-12 built on builder10-14.porkrind.org Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1671 System Description: Mac OS X 10.14.6 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp' --with-modules' Configured features: NOTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER Important settings: value of $LANG: en_BE@currency=USD.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: global-so-long-mode: t display-time-mode: t gud-tooltip-mode: t which-function-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t 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(intervals 56 427189 42799) (buffers 1000 215)) From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.160706945930249 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 08:10:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42477 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6B8-0007rp-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:10:58 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-f175.google.com ([209.85.210.175]:38363) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6B7-0007rc-Ju for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:10:58 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-f175.google.com with SMTP id w187so3181676pfd.5 for <45038@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 00:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4qug+/nWPqbiCfdMOeumPaWr13zUqx9/O8EUanToOjI=; b=dkdsa9GbX6ZESJ/CK3tbYpoU/Enw6plAo4sduFi9PvRI757bMhrzKiof2DwPWGF20G TuqWnQoLhg/8AooY+ZVVTgfLwSes4aZQ1PiC+H8Puj3QtL7dnI0+5B+Ayi6lTXO2W2x0 O7vb88zK3uScsE0L1oyQo4oI146lMvNDsggNPS2E+92PCK65u4vnXiqikhotD2aP4Pfd 5ETUayyv4v5l8/l3ucXVL7OW/1vbb8/esHBjdu0Or3+f3cdSZyxVjefCsVPf+hdvopNZ r/Y/9RXMS1keHepEChBZOcx6wuu4vsOKp/DCSIoYUbkcA688QPFbw7OrQfAo0TLn/LCj qwOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Z5tMSLWLOJDnaqg23z+rzXlo2oOUJaiY1tX0ykZGqpLjR/+Or gfhP5pRbsrLBth20N0yS8kX73cuN6D1MeV1y2E/Btov9iWE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxA5kbaofIAj2kyrHrUZqPin6VgjDe2jaRjBRHuxzILg4PDE04t7Gr5ycKXM9iXVZXcY53D9an9YcEqLCEqmcM= X-Received: by 2002:a63:cd09:: with SMTP id i9mr6530607pgg.363.1607069451881; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 00:10:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 09:10:40 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Devon Sean McCullough writes: > Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug > of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. > Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. I see this occasionally as well on master. I have unfortunately not been able to find a way to reproduce it. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 10, x86_64-apple-darwin17.7.0, NS appkit-1561.61 Version 10.13.6 (Build 17G14042)) of 2020-12-03 built on SK-MacBook-Pro Repository revision: a3b596d02ec802f6215af8f552b29cceea6f7eeb Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1561 System Description: Mac OS X 10.13.6 From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Devon Sean McCullough Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.160707074332514 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 08:32:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42535 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6Vn-0008SJ-U5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:32:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6Vm-0008S4-BF for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:32:18 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33639) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6Vg-0005Oy-Sy; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:32:12 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2128 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6Vf-0004bO-Qt; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:32:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 10:31:54 +0200 Message-Id: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Devon Sean McCullough on Thu, 3 Dec 2020 22:33:32 -0500) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Devon Sean McCullough > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 22:33:32 -0500 > > Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug > of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. > Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? Thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Devon Sean McCullough Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.16070715201258 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 08:45:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6iO-0000KE-IU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:45:20 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com ([209.85.210.170]:45545) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl6iN-0000K0-AM for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 03:45:19 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id q22so3207766pfk.12 for <45038@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 00:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2FsTqQTZAlHK6R44NIJ1iADDmSrSysVkTTwdi/9yXBA=; b=Xcc1jzGOY3n/VqDJGtrny/5pNwnd1Us9zWt4QcwfgLJB1zLsVVe7Q4+LEw1jeXRrAB rJlyXd1FeVhsYg3iq5oSi//E8jVnpdGrxuJqg5i5LFAC31Wt8xMjMfnzfZIcLpz8myDU SKN9wRpu4N7jkrUryPLYg93+Uhi16NkCb6b6QI3ji39BFrBWf9w1IEAv2ks1E5dgBMUn fhzEPJA+6yiFYa3O57q34VG6Qz3049svGECZ661Xl2E/0MtP6YEf5OgejWf3iWUzJVwf 5YZSLdqcpUwXTInBl23Noksx4yIscFGgWO7m809S4mMkfH3TtGlfhoiKvzkEbmhgobSa 2I/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532F2s3E8RDdd9HPmnhz0It73b09AKLcAVJKZr48k6ME7rwQ9vFF tlXEUeP0jSJf9XmH4CuWmx98j328BaxLjkMUrwU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyhH9fzruIkxzNFrHUbQBVTDKGTTgRwq06h4wLFIyxdB5qyWqloxyZmW9J5k9d9w7zLOURk5zNoqf7G9fR/2Bc= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9635:0:b029:197:f590:8563 with SMTP id r21-20020aa796350000b0290197f5908563mr2936376pfg.58.1607071513573; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 00:45:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 09:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug > > of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. > > Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. > > I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can > you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? I could have sworn I saw this the other week on master. If you believe it is fixed, then perhaps I was using an old version at the time. Please ignore me for now, I'll report back if I see it again. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 10:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Devon Sean McCullough Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.160707922014360 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 10:54:02 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 10:53:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42964 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl8iZ-0003jY-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 05:53:39 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.65.218]:50467) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl8iY-0003jL-B1 for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 05:53:38 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.28]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB146601C4; Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.142]) by soverin.net Received: by breton.holly.idiocy.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id C4679202856B7B; Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:22 +0000 From: Alan Third Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii , 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Devon Sean McCullough References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 09:45:02AM +0100, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug > > > of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. > > > Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. > > > > I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can > > you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? > > I could have sworn I saw this the other week on master. If you > believe it is fixed, then perhaps I was using an old version at the > time. Please ignore me for now, I'll report back if I see it again. It should be fixed on master, but not in any version of Emacs 27. It's a large change so was never back ported. Stefan, if you're still seeing problems on master then there must be some other problem that I'm unaware of. -- Alan Third From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 12:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net, stefan@marxist.se Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.160708335130138 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 12:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 12:02:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl9nD-0007pj-Gu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 07:02:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl9nB-0007kU-M5 for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 07:02:30 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43875) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kl9n5-0005hw-Ez; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 07:02:23 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3025 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kl9n3-0002Hj-Ud; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 07:02:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 14:02:03 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfedeq4k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Third on Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:22 +0000) References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:22 +0000 > From: Alan Third > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, > Devon Sean McCullough > > > > I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can > > > you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? > > > > I could have sworn I saw this the other week on master. If you > > believe it is fixed, then perhaps I was using an old version at the > > time. Please ignore me for now, I'll report back if I see it again. > > It should be fixed on master, but not in any version of Emacs 27. It's > a large change so was never back ported. If it isn't reasonable to release Emacs 27.2 with this problem, we may wish backporting the change even though it is large. How easy is it to bump into this problem, and is there an easy workaround when you do? From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Alan Third Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 13:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net, stefan@marxist.se Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.160708749721138 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 13:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 13:11:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43368 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klAs5-0005Us-D6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:11:37 -0500 Received: from outbound.soverin.net ([116.202.65.218]:50181) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klAs3-0005Ud-J7 for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:11:36 -0500 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.3.28]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by outbound.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8269D60157; Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [159.69.232.142]) by soverin.net Received: by breton.holly.idiocy.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id F0401202859116; Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:11:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:11:25 +0000 From: Alan Third Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Eli Zaretskii , stefan@marxist.se, 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfedeq4k.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83lfedeq4k.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:02:03PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:22 +0000 > > From: Alan Third > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, > > Devon Sean McCullough > > > > > > I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can > > > > you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? > > > > > > I could have sworn I saw this the other week on master. If you > > > believe it is fixed, then perhaps I was using an old version at the > > > time. Please ignore me for now, I'll report back if I see it again. > > > > It should be fixed on master, but not in any version of Emacs 27. It's > > a large change so was never back ported. > > If it isn't reasonable to release Emacs 27.2 with this problem, we may > wish backporting the change even though it is large. > > How easy is it to bump into this problem, and is there an easy > workaround when you do? It's unusual to have the display completely blanking, most people just see small localised glitches. Usually it can be solved by forcing a redisplay of some sort, which is what you can see in Devon's example as he moves the cursor across the lines, which forces redisplay of those lines. I would prefer not to back-port to Emacs 27, but if you think it's necessary I'll give it a go. -- Alan Third From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 13:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net, stefan@marxist.se Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.160708836622545 (code B ref 45038); Fri, 04 Dec 2020 13:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 13:26:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43390 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klB66-0005rZ-K8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:26:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1klB64-0005r5-Ru for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:26:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1klB5y-0000tc-E0; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:25:58 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4187 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1klB5x-0001Xk-LX; Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:25:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 15:25:40 +0200 Message-Id: <83czzpem97.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Third on Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:11:25 +0000) References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfedeq4k.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 13:11:25 +0000 > From: Alan Third > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net > > > If it isn't reasonable to release Emacs 27.2 with this problem, we may > > wish backporting the change even though it is large. > > > > How easy is it to bump into this problem, and is there an easy > > workaround when you do? > > It's unusual to have the display completely blanking, most people just > see small localised glitches. Usually it can be solved by forcing a > redisplay of some sort, which is what you can see in Devon's example > as he moves the cursor across the lines, which forces redisplay of > those lines. > > I would prefer not to back-port to Emacs 27, but if you think it's > necessary I'll give it a go. Given the rarity of the situation and the easy workaround, I agree that backporting is not required. Thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45038 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Third Cc: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Devon Sean McCullough Received: via spool by 45038-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45038.161971500713294 (code B ref 45038); Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 45038) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2021 16:50:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56704 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lc9rZ-0003SL-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:50:06 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]:38591) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lc9rU-0003Rj-Tn for 45038@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:50:02 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f181.google.com with SMTP id y2so816866plr.5 for <45038@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2PLOevfv7NU9dX91ePSBT4NLfr9rJlUs+XWaGfot3P8=; b=J3wpBIQrQx0U5WeH2il9Z1G0xs7SWwO86CFvn3piEihSyslHRXgJqWjUz7d1wetuw7 0wQ/v3p3gqPO2rrN9nFrxCOLv/3pcaulnf9w7FIg6vkoJmJPUBnwHbYx2reb8gjjqFtD T6G3gse1eGyEStYTvAFuAag+88vpBBIYDPm5y2lXrf7ESa5CuhMTp7OHrkraNNZo2j5A Jcso+95rO397dSClcC+E3ncbA9u+KEx3jYqmrMgnlEt2ScUMclGaQGiVpRoewO+NEogs uI/TvnfvNZKPcRgqD098shiSmtlVEQOL9cLaGQf6ew8U8inz6RvRSkot+XkMe+hhzfzG uhbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530gcOVFuRRcyF9/BjUnEru13lKGNbsF8/3vwkolGHOsowZ3jIsW wKNz5iSPBOEtFrKaA/DEYsQzuJvfIKjBcbQ7iG4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxgRqohveOe4FFka64KuWiYcqVv0EXPoYoD2MXRO90xvFLBwe/3flM+H70H64Am9S3O7rwuGwvw8CUdAYNJNk0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:350:: with SMTP id fh16mr817328pjb.104.1619714994890; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:49:54 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Alan Third's message of "Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:53:22 +0000") References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:49:54 -0500 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Alan Third writes: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 09:45:02AM +0100, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > > Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug >> > > of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. >> > > Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. >> > >> > I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can >> > you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? >> >> I could have sworn I saw this the other week on master. If you >> believe it is fixed, then perhaps I was using an old version at the >> time. Please ignore me for now, I'll report back if I see it again. > > It should be fixed on master, but not in any version of Emacs 27. It's > a large change so was never back ported. > > Stefan, if you're still seeing problems on master then there must be > some other problem that I'm unaware of. I haven't seen this in a while, although admittedly I haven't been using my macOS machine much lately. In any case, I think the bug can be closed if it is fixed on master. If I see it again, I will just open a new bug. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:03:53 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Devon Sean McCullough Subject: bug#45038: closed (Re: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 45038 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 45038@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:14:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1633954443-6923-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1633954443-6923-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #45038: 27.1; blank display which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 45038@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 45038: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D45038 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1633954443-6923-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 45038-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2021 12:13:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56899 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZuBi-0001mu-73 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:13:50 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f176.google.com ([209.85.215.176]:36423) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mZuBg-0001mf-Mv for 45038-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:13:49 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 75so10642849pga.3 for <45038-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:13:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x2OAj4fJwGD+w6RrY6J5AN5cXE3cJs+T/n5juCj04so=; b=sJR4c31xand/NtNIYE4yie6mIzJoGETaEckZgugYX6j83Fo5l26zRHIMNFdB5ruNR+ CQOO4W/i7NdEh/8mENzeMYOCBKzdvqpY+g0KDhojNtI3UrcuTRxsAWpNkDbMa1RgZTtm MSruEleKwjg78aog3DsJaFPfTYb3EnX7kd+3qmIWa+aBuVKMc477o66JZYkelOF3e9Ok lnojPfPuQjBBHUqn+a3k0qJ7UD+lF4cOGkG/02yKRF9ViNJPnZ+l3jUqDy2Sgm67p+RI CA4hD2eKC/eZFejlSvHV1YamBbO/bZWRpiZfiDKxavxM5zbHqHLEbBOx/WwJdAO1YaD9 wzbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532MzU5OINdxwKcRfomA7QQx/QjUeGWytwPVR3EM0bQxD9miKcsu NmNBHsPIvBO5pXaWqQkeqfIyEnUAfCvn+j2uhx4b9tl7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy9s2WQ6q4vyM1oWG0jMWwYpf9Ik3BcLPKmQmEF143TM8I5UxpnRPByX/cVigNx5coNt4gPKMSHzGOoQUxfAVg= X-Received: by 2002:a63:d506:: with SMTP id c6mr17798584pgg.42.1633954422929; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:13:42 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:49:54 -0500") References: <83y2iedlad.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 05:13:42 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#45038: 27.1; blank display To: Alan Third Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45038-done Cc: Devon Sean McCullough , Eli Zaretskii , 45038-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > Alan Third writes: > >> On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 09:45:02AM +0100, Stefan Kangas wrote: >>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> >>> > > Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug >>> > > of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. >>> > > Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. >>> > >>> > I think this is a known problem already solved in the repository. can >>> > you try building the latest emacs-27 branch? >>> >>> I could have sworn I saw this the other week on master. If you >>> believe it is fixed, then perhaps I was using an old version at the >>> time. Please ignore me for now, I'll report back if I see it again. >> >> It should be fixed on master, but not in any version of Emacs 27. It's >> a large change so was never back ported. >> >> Stefan, if you're still seeing problems on master then there must be >> some other problem that I'm unaware of. > > I haven't seen this in a while, although admittedly I haven't been using > my macOS machine much lately. > > In any case, I think the bug can be closed if it is fixed on master. > If I see it again, I will just open a new bug. I haven't seen this in a while, so let's assume this is fixed. I'm therefore closing this bug report. ------------=_1633954443-6923-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2020 03:33:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qv-0001CX-RY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:50 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qu-0001CP-9K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qu-0003wA-2k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:48 -0500 Received: from gateway23.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.50.141]:17791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qr-0004vN-Cl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 22:33:47 -0500 Received: from cm10.websitewelcome.com (cm10.websitewelcome.com [100.42.49.4]) by gateway23.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA4C962E for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from leaf.websitewelcome.com ([192.185.82.99]) by cmsmtp with SMTP id l1qfkPEdLuDoAl1qfkwIq0; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 Received: from pool-72-83-171-228.washdc.east.verizon.net ([72.83.171.228]:50285 helo=[192.168.1.165]) by leaf.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kl1qe-001ZQk-VW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 21:33:33 -0600 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Devon Sean McCullough Subject: 27.1; blank display Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 22:33:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - leaf.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jovi.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 72.83.171.228 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1kl1qe-001ZQk-VW X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-72-83-171-228.washdc.east.verizon.net ([192.168.1.165]) [72.83.171.228]:50285 X-Source-Auth: devon2011@jovi.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: am92aW5ldDtkZXZvbjtsZWFmLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Received-SPF: pass client-ip=192.185.50.141; envelope-from=emacs-hacker2018@jovi.net; helo=gateway23.websitewelcome.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Please see screen shots at http://jovi.net/Emacs-Bug of a Heisenbug I never saw until maybe a year ago. Now I see it every day or so. Hope this helps. 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