From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 16:59:00 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 21:59:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49251 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj8F8-00058b-Hw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:59:00 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj7r9-0004a0-VQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:34:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kj7r9-0004Xu-OH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:34:11 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:34717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kj7r7-0002ep-JT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:34:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606599247; bh=uEiwzifV9zJ7eIl2dPiCyysYp36z2zeE7j+zavOpjkM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=kus12sLamMmKWlsm/eICuL4owbR6IqAi4i3LsY/uixDsDRo4JEyOt8xxACKVTn3Cn 37VFUzLffOl1pLqeopbmC8sRKsREUPqaSj8eKY2JXjf8B4r6EMCJIqNexh1tnAG2wW 0yFWYoBo/8rvW0fpzAoJ+wyE/fPUSo0M77nggTLo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:34:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:34:07 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JL3M4ZLhi7haYwZtd/2SP03ryZPy5oWhxAjZ+fAKgL1YZJgRWzcq2PhJ+8dVBMdVKQbtS nxsc7VTOZgw9MKdAmGoPnn1ebX1DHUZ2HddyD3t6aZ49u6iJis3mMuiMlPwHEH5MhSTOLf5JMPhT qBU9RS4o+7MLlXXC92neu5Z0n11ePzshqo3lyrCNfo7cr8B8TXVn/xY5Cyr6fc9tqLyKgusUu7Hh SsEMT5OT8XBUGiUILEt8q5Qwh1COZ+B2FEABISdZLw/p4A5sEPRBLMBzbzvaJqm6YoRZe8tR02FX HE= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:9IIsYUcK/Co=:NEczxzPOfMlB413PzfOpk2 olh1Blqj/g0lCVCWjIP8oP6HIFTC78XiMETE8v0NlD3lobWTzFViCkiZxyQTHu+KOemXrQpFC gWz8QSbbfIQVK3JnGRMSoQdshxy9dM5xInR1pldiR34AVBxd0LmGEAJfbz9pVeovT8/7VN0Y+ 5K3qew16CKLWBvADGx1QP37sOL12+G1uO+d02ZRGJj1chjo2Cr60fXDxUgC8Kia5+C0kp+hh4 5vl3b1aQW4RVSF7tFoYPunMOi3eCJRVRg8GtuTFmdgH8zMi1QXyYs6ERY2A3Xrwg4i6YFJZIz QAWdVppbZHDpnu6wX86TlyRYak0c6DSCt+6oWVyN8Y6AMKSdI8XCOV8AAnSJBhuqXhAutQwxm uswdh0jps1Dei5Gw+S7f+SEr6ipkPQ1c4GpCjBT9JiaT6kQMnE3JBQL39k2FaaWxW+PkLU9ke vNJuENbqyBGiJWx0XCoiZFxi1iqGnJUM1qtvPtK1OJtgVK6tQd8SLhV1+JeU9SPgxLAbRxiYW MSdIjjNYvg4j481TT5GVYF7KgJBeVbBDnPedm9NiyIus3OdM95KlZX4+grQ9kqg4f6s4h7B42 SLAKL6cp1sd0o= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=daniela-spit@gmx.it; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 16:58:57 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) I have identified a problem. Let a user set the files to be used for Org Agenda in .emacs as follows, and consider the situation when the file writing.rcl.org does not exist. (setq org-agenda-files '("~/02histr/gadmin/writing.rcl.org" "~/02histr/gadmin/meeting.rcl.org" "~/02histr/gadmin/household.rcl.org")) Emacs demands that the file writing.rcl.org be removed from org-agenda-fil= es. Then Emacs sabotages the user's settings by hardwiring org-agenda-files at= the end of the file .emacs by inserting: (custom-set-variables ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom. ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful. ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance. ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right. '(org-agenda-files '("~/02histr/gadmin/meeting.rcl.org" "~/02histr/gadmin/household.rcl.or= g"))) This should be considered a bug. Dani From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 10:07:49 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 15:07:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52226 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOIm-0003qs-VH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:07:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOIl-0003qf-4J for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:07:47 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35043) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOIf-0000gx-Pm; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:07:41 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1464 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOIe-0004PP-Fc; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:07:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:07:30 +0200 Message-Id: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: daniela-spit@gmx.it In-Reply-To: (daniela-spit@gmx.it) Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:34:07 +0100 > > I have identified a problem. Let a user set the files to be used for > Org Agenda in .emacs as follows, and consider the situation when the > file writing.rcl.org does not exist. > > (setq org-agenda-files > '("~/02histr/gadmin/writing.rcl.org" > "~/02histr/gadmin/meeting.rcl.org" > "~/02histr/gadmin/household.rcl.org")) > > Emacs demands that the file writing.rcl.org be removed from org-agenda-files. > Then Emacs sabotages the user's settings by hardwiring org-agenda-files at the > end of the file .emacs by inserting: > > (custom-set-variables > ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom. > ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful. > ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance. > ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right. > '(org-agenda-files > '("~/02histr/gadmin/meeting.rcl.org" "~/02histr/gadmin/household.rcl.org"))) > > This should be considered a bug. Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 10:12:32 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 15:12:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52242 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjONM-00040s-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:12:32 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:42869) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjONL-00040Z-1r for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:12:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606662744; bh=dQpuBTg0uUhOmY7RFncFFzAOJWTaHgjgp2FsOryVKMA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=dEJCPEwPf250AyzE//v8VXD2Fg2bDLfDLwJwGsiNljnQFkZmAuw/W4UyyQF7atEKC Qx2hlD6RjphQSPY8RiBVAB76nxyoihl4Xh+E6svo1+3Fr1wkHrKC+/cJUYbo+YowUC lSPBHVhs9o72wrkT6uNcR0QFm6b1BsyzSKbNBxlI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 16:12:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 16:12:24 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1NTZAy/T7CARVX2RskH/85JzgtcnlKrKFV5kfG53qqw1NtkY5a3CMF+Utw5Iaxe+V+222 89FCGFJcliBPJsE+wQMTasSa2oth1C3ZqSLOm+i2JgbMjydD0/jGcPHCDH9wIrsMsuJQWabaIoPQ +2Wxvz6Z9bVs6aU+LZZmDqqJNegaERRluZxx+rKiaBb5nfL2RcUDb3kodrMQLPMwMJXx/GZ5fODV CrSKjiP/Aqtg+bXuS3QMJ+3+3HH7p42MCGbYvJHZESOwFoV191NaTTHVNbxPWEcXAvHEhDByGgEs cE= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tVBCzzHY4yE=:ogPG7u2x34ddeXFY8oYUz8 HIo80O6T9Ngjz6eHTg2KLrofNKu4eDeu0k7pMJL649lqT9ybUscTXGxahQ1rBU6T+yZVunIys UZbWpyMHDQcRPj2uSOD3wWEG+NHcmhGKsTfihkPWBIwu+00jy0NLlkW/t1cWuRYIGqA/spHFk u4ZflxD1jf1oU8dAkp1YBuk5bJILilQE1PmZk92jpU8RY2JdaXbW7gl9pEavQ4AwAzLG+jwXO Lh0BZGYhQP2Mt4VvSvwYP5tcNVhQq4ucYoKN+/2jdNZmsuIBH+chaFvoHS84TSPxjQ/FUgMU9 5xuMVCIU82ZHpEAmcLC4Bz+0vSNUyoRy4HJV+viHj1Okp5Zr4Bwn0QoW7o3y5M/tzKHOwmH/A KQulzLqfLelsx84+5UhlZ9uSL5h6IVPJHVt2O0gWf4+qCbq8amCuc+zqZ9ZL770DSNRkJ4HdU ec9jR34EK6KHTWDruGZH70PLGGElQlogpeO6Sj7LmvLoa7OpxKJ1mfhdQLlL+LzPRkBnjJwtb 9FyGmzJBYZo1nnbnT4I1kWXqsd+UZOXQuDZIaC40ZqznvHt8QM4tSxU31iyv3PdG/XlU+GbgK AuvKlg3GRNMdc= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, o= verwriting user options > > > From: daniela-spit@gmx.it > > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:34:07 +0100 > > > > I have identified a problem. Let a user set the files to be used for > > Org Agenda in .emacs as follows, and consider the situation when the > > file writing.rcl.org does not exist. > > > > (setq org-agenda-files > > '("~/02histr/gadmin/writing.rcl.org" > > "~/02histr/gadmin/meeting.rcl.org" > > "~/02histr/gadmin/household.rcl.org")) > > > > Emacs demands that the file writing.rcl.org be removed from org-agenda= -files. > > Then Emacs sabotages the user's settings by hardwiring org-agenda-file= s at the > > end of the file .emacs by inserting: > > > > (custom-set-variables > > ;; custom-set-variables was added by Custom. > > ;; If you edit it by hand, you could mess it up, so be careful. > > ;; Your init file should contain only one such instance. > > ;; If there is more than one, they won't work right. > > '(org-agenda-files > > '("~/02histr/gadmin/meeting.rcl.org" "~/02histr/gadmin/household.rc= l.org"))) > > > > This should be considered a bug. > > Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? What mailing should I use to report it to Org Developers? > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 10:37:28 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 15:37:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOlU-0004qc-Co for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:37:28 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f48.google.com ([209.85.128.48]:50583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOlS-0004qM-EW for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:37:26 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f48.google.com with SMTP id c198so13193368wmd.0 for <44935@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tcd-ie.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=D/yT5KAUxWI4AilGADOMFza8WZ5iReTYDViUd1snOKE=; b=rvyeWVCfgbxfel1COnNlB5lxBpVAExt7FGFEo7WSw796xFp3bR291Wr1ktCmzEHmbv lRBgMJqGUl8MahUImYcbnFRl/eZ5o7qqfPvKI7/c9XGWY0IeP/xTrZRS6Vbe5dk1biVY Vw1fBjP03HG83YHDkAI6Vq55f+oP+Uze00GLIyc1B47ijSO87jt4Y2GS4I3s9sLmY04Y 2PA+mA8Z5Zoc4IY6FSMtcpS2IjEHxVuiKd16iAMB14FgLiTLNTWRGZ7zQNSgQsoI1dAP +pIrwCu2Bpyim2iYtQ+MkLtjE5WI36kPRmGwcuIFVYqELcONrZ1Ttj1e6IOC+aVzdEZF je8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=D/yT5KAUxWI4AilGADOMFza8WZ5iReTYDViUd1snOKE=; b=TrxJkpJcd/hOpZ6uirC9qpeWcIq/YdlCl84OWcSVnPn/yfKlpGX7EUrHuIKaHeY4VD wOzXI4QgrqjilXvGVcsp169OVG4g5xGEAlUjMp6ooXOQ16NoP5K4LdAS+UtGxxfCy4Bc bJAOmmUSiqwmNidRsMZ4MBC34LTniMUCVCfZOtlWxBhSQ7T6udWrImYUdUrUwlvdYo3N Reus2HcWqRavPo0IX5QLIes1hUh9++MbEY0PKq/4ab6s6C7L+IYnmrcjcrX/c85E6SaB njfdgSIz3+Utp8Q2qw9Q7WhODtpzJIc0UOvqimNP9Xla+PfcpUF/mINJPliEAEqJPrOX oOAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530suO7Dz6043T2c/5Ph0NAQ4YzcvvSCR0qNdHEtOzmdxj/udC4k oBFw5S4zLhz+u94bWqUzlstqsg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJweUu8dOXRQMHBjfSBrLBt+HScOd1eDlBNWF8jNQCJCUhMZ0SvEGePvEcv3tXEoqofZGql51g== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:6787:: with SMTP id b129mr19017879wmc.57.1606664240790; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([2a02:8084:20e2:c380:92bd:1bfd:38fc:fae2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm24332534wrj.8.2020.11.29.07.37.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 07:37:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" To: daniela-spit@gmx.it Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 15:37:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: (daniela-spit@gmx.it's message of "Sun, 29 Nov 2020 16:12:24 +0100") Message-ID: <87k0u4cgy8.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) daniela-spit@gmx.it writes: >> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM >> From: "Eli Zaretskii" >> To: daniela-spit@gmx.it >> Cc: 44935@debbugs.gnu.org >> Subject: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options >> >> Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? > > What mailing should I use to report it to Org Developers? M-x org-submit-bug-report RET, which mails emacs-orgmode@gnu.org. See also (info "(org) Feedback") in Emacs, or https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html on the web, and https://orgmode.org/community.html. Thanks, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 10:52:15 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 15:52:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOzn-0007T1-7z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:52:15 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:56705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjOzl-0007Sj-CI for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:52:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606665123; bh=KlUZX2pRi6NW2/FuIwPllt20w7YKKcnMOgHmHlJbBU4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=WCojVFRuZHls/ZZWYPmVML+L6zq3AKgsfIHZM5D9EuVItCYrf2j1ZV+ypEuDYWZR9 /xF36CUrWMAnqdFHW/AcSPLXmEMgrC0Igzgulckv+DQXZSoznGuZCY4Cba5hsv5Azp GclBMRFSjgyq6dDUJQY/V9EQdKk0YJXN4KNwb3FQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 16:52:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 16:52:03 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87k0u4cgy8.fsf@tcd.ie> References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0u4cgy8.fsf@tcd.ie> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/JXhaoN4QDJfihA3twnvNIk/VuIPPzDotzl3PL4rLQnpjn/lbabnTf0/4LTB2DBxDD+q1 1yOG4P0T87q6o0zsUjnuroKQhjG9riqoQBKkUbrXOscidGgu2zzKRtn7u0Dl0ihWC0TtKGadPmH7 a7lTW83qxJtCTo4Inn6qyFiy1DStqlDkpcD4m0+HZQ4TRQ3dtc1R4cDafF31PGoVA7Q36kOz3Vg+ 8fgaQ7XEmivkYnEx5m/59YAvP0vhvo0RospgjyQFL5rIYUhLMR/FgNECYURByvL/EjTExotdRzuN Dw= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CyMg2bD8hkQ=:YEG1pRd2PIip9Ygphbh+0P mvh+Il9Jede8iREbHaK2ubx1XKAOUb1cUYVdj4n+jw8zWcH7/SFEJ+VOjt+K7M+8C8xafmOBC aF9FzSBtyxbu4KVf4MMICRxIamn8UBcSQx0GJVwnfmIMA83LN+ZDMkck1mNPq+SDfpsmbFvpR 9U/i2OMB29rrzWM4srIC/9158MbG7l9J8TOM4YULwa3tsRqHlwGij40g8ejbj2o9DqF7JmsRt yj9z8fIiIGfeNmrbYXxV5W/ArLiHi7oLLGOfEPD2AdH6BzQBQ0VK4/cgMgFmmEen7Zlaiyuvw j8XJ6WyIQJ5B6N6ikxk/D2Vv21WjBPOUyy6TiyjcsiwxP5a/B/SJmvgDqqrt2sqEXw+ab8RrA vxTL5aKNwHzQPLRmo+kGnaEQ1C6PaEU4Dn0QFjV6K4Z8EuEspQP6HxsQ/7HRERnXnJkCaKck7 d/ecdWSoS3moxwUjSKu3qcWpE8kfczLyidEknBd/Y+oHBhTBJ9PNPpNYJFMbWhHq5d+fTwYwp XxUl8AQCLN//Iab5Ypg4rMoNYra+NArZPaKSqkJCl1mkjeGmtAiyJIsG/HnVoAZaIrfowaiu2 DOQhPPTSENO4A= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:37 PM > From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > daniela-spit@gmx.it writes: > > >> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 4:07 PM > >> From: "Eli Zaretskii" > >> To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > >> Cc: 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Subject: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable= , overwriting user options > >> > >> Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? > > > > What mailing should I use to report it to Org Developers? > > M-x org-submit-bug-report RET, which mails emacs-orgmode@gnu.org. Thank you Basil. > See also (info "(org) Feedback") in Emacs, or > https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html on the web, > and https://orgmode.org/community.html. > > Thanks, > > -- > Basil > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 11:59:46 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 16:59:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQ37-0002or-Sa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:59:46 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:50533) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQ36-0002od-55 for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 11:59:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606669147; bh=qxkYXEZgQ8CYaSfpfm3THIrnbkR6AnuLb5yBHAfzxOk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=RbARwhtVKqSPpCLAwIeC+KhmY2kr+xcvmmnaPhXb8ytLd/p9M+yfO6mU8nrqgxOM3 mZgAGcoRIjBRaqijw4n86fSuymuPLXtT8u0cH/X2dPqVtR+MdnPCMXjNjhKyfTDci/ ymgeB5OmMuP6lKAbVM2OaCrGJHFPyQPcK5f3iEOI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:59:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: Jean Louis Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 17:59:06 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:V/bVGYAigndxD56qyZXErIZ3WHxE2NzUVChd2VXXREGXE6JHEfR/Q7zEhPzu5uCrlVsTo PUU6Wg8Z3svQ+/d9EgMCHHNF5py1GaT2xIXcL+Wvkv734iJYS6DcvaaLRhGWucoTVGlzMEUSf1S9 BPpPMZrV9KO5Xmly3Wfuzt2pAczCi4UOpuBeL1SiSf0YOkXCgd1yFJ0s67+++qrz9uqxgCjcxgn3 1ofPzmtVWReMkmS1z0BOYfrVzWK97WmlALJ48oM6iJ5z9QrV388NP/44QK68Gk6WoZp3wa+XP91n sM= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:UfaNFMIRitw=:vURIY4OsBrGd9UYO9s5Rt0 Z7Q4fihIjxv0enLmMbqK/nI65WUfXhccMdCrLjTL319csYX+F81Udt107eO+MbBiiTrtsLhT8 HibcoolPamnJAAzLzweY5fZO00Ly/zuBz1IErLZ6Hp9TAUtT9NjvpfJeMXKqfsg3TrzDZvTiO TIbWroMbhr8q8liqmpBYRO8OAThX/SEr9uZlhMibhJAqpxnqHHwTKP9dEYxtFScqlwZyYfify IDGOFsnheEjXTneCYdmhxGQDEUYtv68DGLf0rSJ5ydeJv6mBRiyW1+qZLH8TcCG5xWix42gEG xFOFs4ujpW/joxbu7+7r9lxihfUEIoX8Jnux8I+edV7Xc6fKXxkKRtz28FJsL62rGoVQbQ7wS bjX6wtOKAQ67oeZ5Z1qqazHESLzcDZXPteM/I5tisqHTvXyaHfV4KKVNnhXkKZl+GDHeFwQjN TFK/Xs72OHYahduU2LgvIQPV3sTOChvxo1gr1WSBrPg/1uCbsUSVfhYITEmCiCVvWvUJnUuR9 q26PmcQ5xtyDNjRqelA1od6R/XJ88xf4JfdBPBdEm66MX/4liRKeB+xvOnx+DUc34d3ASOqen PAFILxan0KujM= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Correct, everything tells you it is part of Emacs. Then one sends a repor= t and people start sending in in a long winded road to find the appropriate channel. You look at "Emacs Asking for help" and "Emacs Reporting bugs" and you get= only two things help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. Have been following dis= cussions here and people herd together telling others they are doing everything backward= s. And insisting everything is fine, makes serious people not happy at all. I do not want = to hurt anyone, but there exists a wall between maintainers and users who basically use Gn= u Tools to do something else. > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:29 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Eli Zaretskii" > Cc: daniela-spit@gmx.it, 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-11-29 18:08]: > > Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? > > We have discussed that Org is part of Emacs and users shall be at all > time welcome to report their bugs and pointers can be made how to > closer report to Org mailing list. It makes it confusing to users, and > is not logical. Org is part of Emacs so it is Emacs bug. > > While there is pointer under Org menu how to report the bug, it is not > as obvious as "Help - Report Bug". So sometimes Org bugs will arrive > here. > > Org bugs should be then simply forwarded to mailing list or tagged as > being Org so that they may be picked up by mailing list. > > I find this more mailing list manager job to properly forward bugs. > > For Org one can submit {M-x org-submit-bug-report RET} > > For this bug, I do not think it is bug. Isn't it for all variables > like that that when they are customized by user on top of the init > file that they customization during the session will overwrite the > customizations set by user on top of the init file? > > If this is so how I think, then users who do not want Emacs to > overwrite their customization in init file should not use the > customize for those variables. Then the user's customization will take > effect. > > I do not see differences here with org-agenda. > > Are there any? > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 12:22:16 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 17:22:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52420 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQOt-0003Nx-Nz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:22:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQOr-0003Nl-QB for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:22:14 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37039) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQOm-00064q-FO; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:22:08 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1883 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQOl-0007Tj-Pf; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:22:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:21:58 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfekkrih.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jean Louis In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:29:18 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: daniela-spit@gmx.it, 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:29:18 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: daniela-spit@gmx.it, 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-11-29 18:08]: > > Shouldn't this be reported to the Org developers? > > We have discussed that Org is part of Emacs and users shall be at all > time welcome to report their bugs and pointers can be made how to > closer report to Org mailing list. It makes it confusing to users, and > is not logical. Org is part of Emacs so it is Emacs bug. In rare cases that users become confused, we gently tell them to report to the Org developers. Like in this case. It's not a big deal. Org is a separate project with a separate mailing list and issue tracker. We just _distroibute_ it as part of Emacs. That's not the same as being an integral part of the project. > I find this more mailing list manager job to properly forward bugs. There is no manager here that forwards bugs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 12:39:41 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 17:39:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52503 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQfl-0003uq-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:39:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59542) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQfk-0003ud-1A for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:39:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37363) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQfe-0000Oc-R4; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:39:34 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQfc-0005Cf-Ck; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:39:32 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfekkrih.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Hazmat AMW Craig Livingstone Keylogger Violence Center X-Ran: 9Skzd]|Wq'!q#mOaCG.~"UVd=ty`h2R)bRE).^d (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:21:58 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: daniela-spit@gmx.it, 44935@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > In rare cases that users become confused, we gently tell them to > report to the Org developers. I think it's better all round to just reassign the bug to the "org-mode" package. > There is no manager here that forwards bugs. And yet, all the messages in this thread (save the first) are already on the Org mailing list... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 12:54:26 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 17:54:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQu1-0006NM-VQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:41441) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQtz-0006N9-A0 for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:54:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606672426; bh=JbxdlIAowvlDJf+VSxmqE7i6ly0DfIVC8gJYHbF1wc4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=etfPfOg7A+4PlmEeEJaPeU5+Yq0/oHvXvbD38htw4iNEKi+fZ2ZTBdxMpRZfyc3p4 riKbo0UINH+Ev2oGJM0e9SJK4BHPXnr4LtcEkDSZsNConLE+9KIHsTADoTdW9RWJMu KhvMZQX/Vfj7Kd9tJjVF0P4Yz/lkbaxGNiHv9kvg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:53:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: Jean Louis Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:53:46 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:81P+jpeNf/1uWpE8QPXqBG1vOBeQrL95vAHWleQZx4GJab1Wzi3DK6K/a8LFaFI+w7PHC sAfWE4wclpTSedT0/sjYPVx+B61tkOonEYOILpJqer254rbuewalgSP0v4C4vTxB+67g0JlYD1Ow glbaxNCbNc0xyJc/CKdu7itqkZbX+qbJoZWSZolrWYlxh12PR0PcUqrCQwA9Zok9OT6ZKwvYESB+ QgFuqxl35MZ5zSZRu0RcmBAI67N2PaeaWBczPpR8xkAKyZNGQjJt8lKG5RXmtLiPzpSqKOZcswYO No= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yid/QJCwR58=:MDt2ozDppPFYxLGzefjoUR HsZb9Ya3jQlBIiOsab5magv5QvtFN/oABQJkRPO/YjhBpztO4aufiBIz9LFpJDOb7qixWogvc iYiSjl5PTcNKbRqvwgO2CDzyElAOqZiGGVbRpbHMX9oqbhF04jCn8aEQQKuRuASbNvGW4sNgt yEVNo93BwpbPjwFLzQOb9uDfaCf+4NL1NlUEciH20pqpWvDvLKQ0KCxVuWtHAUcbqZEZfchWb rQVIdrXxagAoIBSsB37bSQpdRlVunRCkBMoz5HFgABmWX0FgAsjlLsCVZOxxN1TWAiEhl0rpF z+i73a2nuCrrHMnmW3Rmd+gAYHzAF3JQyJ43N8Ml4xKjdwhDHbUyu4hyzmnfd0w5zWkkrDsWj Q/Ud+abeWuH0Fo2P4y/cSc+DIjddvZa9+D2ENIVtnUovX/Ya9qGBnPs57V7IRQS2icUcyf1MA 0wC/4p2ULo+GgHGh9JcyqYuqpcjbLKdrhG2uMHj46TonMnN3pce/+dKTk/RqxDFMNWFYY5ylr 3zCQekTZFOKl+yXrdidAm7woXAJaItE4wux6ElSRDDkxFTTa3LXAHSYkPQ2mZhedUIyEe68Kb 6s/qmLYWBxNvM= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:22 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > * daniela-spit@gmx.it [2020-11-29 20:02]: > > Correct, everything tells you it is part of Emacs. Then one sends a r= eport and people > > start sending in in a long winded road to find the appropriate > > channel. > > We can consider those features of reporting bugs still in > development. I never knew since recently that there are various > reporting bug functions. You can discover it easier by using > completion such as ivy package. For new users? Will never happen. Put the mailing lists in the damn webpag= e, categorising them if necessary, but having them so anybody can see them. Furthermore, Org is so integrated in Emacs that a large part of the user community would not be in a position to determine whether it is a problem of Emacs or Org. > There is: > > - report-calc-bug > - calc-report-bug > - c-submit-bug-report > - TeX-submit-bug-report > - org and Emacs maybe others > > > You look at "Emacs Asking for help" and "Emacs Reporting bugs" and you= get only two things > > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. Have been following= discussions here > > and people herd together telling others they are doing everything back= wards. And insisting > > everything is fine, makes serious people not happy at all. I do not w= ant to hurt anyone, > > but there exists a wall between maintainers and users who basically us= e Gnu Tools to do > > something else. > > Users could assign to themselves specific level such as Beginner, > Intermediate, Advance and God. God does not exist, get used to it! Look, if you put the various lists th= ere, people would use them. Making things difficult only wakes people give Ema= cs the finger rather than concluding the developers are smart. Does this not bot= her Gnu Admins? > Beginner would be welcomed to submit bugs and kindly explained that > there exists specialized mailing list with more people able to help > it. > > Intermediate user would be simply told to go somewhere else. > > Advanced user would be anyway submitting patches and be active in > Emacs development, so there would be no problem with this level. > > God would never tell anything to anybody just as what is usual that > God does, I guess M-x something... As long as developers continue thinking they are gods. they will get no respect. Grow up and do it quick! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 12:59:47 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 17:59:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52530 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQzC-0006Uy-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:59:47 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:52705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjQzB-0006Um-Sz for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:59:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606672749; bh=2PPhhFo6nGccvD12mbwVljjby1tOLUaMyzlEmz/k/Qc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=X6HVPHZixrAOrBcaGbbkdjI2kdQ+Tpzx6EWhrtES3oyHfZRsmiDrqphX6ZWkVVCYL jK6+L8nzVRfM4GP3Oe2a1jbc3lKrtNsDn/zbN7JXK/0rcY0dUUQOUcXeeW7kTj2q/o 7Jf1lC1epHVYR2twhMUgoqFW1CYKMBkiHtEwhgvA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:59:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:59:09 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfekkrih.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:UDblPVTIrWKo+1KqkMNv7rmz7Sb25Ho5mTPReWualFF/qc20NoKUs2nBNn/QjAIXkHsOY rPqLhVyonSkajQPZYUba2atBv3O/gZHceunBJahGBn63Yp0IQOmDlHr0PE2uX+E7k7dYfYsukYBP cAX28Ln2sWjwqXSL+eIT9Xv12IYOlG+oC/HAjIKdvjIHwAOxBRyKLFqnTeA5NlCFxCttMiCyOJLE n8F+fZM/xHHJWpzaYn6DsscUdnbfYE0uqAKQMCY2VTM1gS1lm9BwQiIlRXWkQFXB8rhVMK60wAi/ 54= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:m37bwCmXcYA=:vRbFKfc23/HBlch96s0Ysk PycpTZh0DO8Hw7k5EK6zjkdCdrGyK8FSMe79LndOM02lxI9ua3/xov8YZNNG7o+fIxMZPtNfr fYKnj9t16LxHEPTjT+JPZZohf0ltbPM6N8SqBJXgtNJS1uULqKY6ugfoS3JNpblVFz37OeUkq eowid0gydtJOcX32U/qKpenStGrh1sUS3V27mOQCtovKMTdXcFbli7LokH0wUSbSs+DBBnEko qszjMI+b7w9XcFQw0XUWA8OQxmrjTagONIbRyoH6bf0vTQWgYfiamVxiFAplpCwWE6KiKDdNj xppZFgm6lWLfIW4QpNo9cTWhvjHQXVz5wq2aZDiO+MR7ysimCg52guzBE6H96opu+T4GSfhRl xmFHlQ6c+DHMuqZ9+GX1YmtljjZt2FgNGJOpi815wtTn+uyuGpFU3nKhBmLc6SiiLsjEeR8+z bH2Pc4ncqKi5GPlkm46E2Hu4ee1cIY8c/yekzjoOblCnkXDgTV30ByTBzHVuDvQScDYw/d4Qd 1Ka3dPco93HhU3Qf6Lv8z4BJiYKkWYt1+zeUwTCme4b7QG5Ngvr965viiZ4x6ePqjrf8r7MZ0 tNCWQ2Jwo4Uug= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:39 PM > From: "Glenn Morris" > To: "Eli Zaretskii" > Cc: "Jean Louis" , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org, daniela-spit= @gmx.it > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > In rare cases that users become confused, we gently tell them to > > report to the Org developers. So now the maintainer starts telling users that they are rare cases for being confused. How can any woman stand this guy!!! Impossible. > I think it's better all round to just reassign the bug to the "org-mode" > package. > > > There is no manager here that forwards bugs. > > And yet, all the messages in this thread (save the first) are already on > the Org mailing list... > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 29 13:09:04 2020 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2020 18:09:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52540 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjR8B-0006kA-Ry for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 13:09:04 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:47133) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjR89-0006jf-GH for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2020 13:09:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606673304; bh=DJUDgOQhuIptauKqGgJI1/m4xDVFBHiZ5bAut11ofjQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=BwTYG9Onj2gD95Pf7Xk+H9JY98b2TVxZW+wIRM8khUoVqJSzEVVQ/yRxsbMqR8Arg SQ6wqrh+3QNM4dPcxAaHeQMCT/4CvEc9vy6V0yLzfMjYJGcvhCpqD1yEq1vDUIaZOs SSGCnxHhB8tHBHgb9BprAO4Dq0g4o98d4RsnKtTA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:08:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: daniela-spit@gmx.it To: Jean Louis Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 19:08:24 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VU/2pXtEycGkMS6KrTPn4siTBz7dVTZHdwG9b3vmBZcMOaKrEprfnLAckVQzyF82WnXvx JY9dllWpbNsQkS/rOwgFibccSbwaOcDbF9mJPLpGrJClYcq7RlfTAmfcnCOziagdoPz9OwxHrt0F wLJxHG8Qvy8TQsnA+cZr2zJc0gJj0+ze7Tsta+pStgzvpWFkJV6WfQx5uxErat8rkgokEfBurDsN OmgH/W5rPoh8SVRoHMLlFUaZTCP97r+PHuyURxskA3Qt9idCksB1cMqSe7/ESzK02scn0KBpWw6l 8s= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:75IR6HIZRIo=:FDEUOhwHVMeB01KI3PL7ur qsBOhRMNn+jqleE2OcnMYk7JjArOFlB0kekxNhd35h/XWGwF4qAepwFYgMLsWEBoVz++jQ4v3 3iSIn4l3hUd7HP9wyiEzg3y/XbPralXrZpAKGMJtrRLs8J/02nC7YxYeIWl8+kcbgd615han8 N/kwhqWBJgz7+gFVVqZnrhjzMJ2VuPjsjBN38ZfUca+2SL/PZk88gZSfmiomqsLiIUPoAlxxD +/d1v2Cx+w5iRkaemYIeY1LVtR0C23RoiGgui6121F1AAISHYgcOPUsxo7D+pmJlxH41yqIT7 FSqRerycOLH1icm1V7LUllYI03Bm9K5J+URSac1818cTxm0bF3f2AvAqs1aUnabQVu6FBH3y7 79dv+csxaaVic9jMhWloXKlbKYKbl8lZCMNwlfFFbnshvYGmiBIWwueikjODvjkAw3RIfEYdL N8wIQn+2tlP8eALRddkBpfoeI7hhE11ukjoO6QRqKGp6cv7i48cDDW5hChlk7NU39IhzN0H3s Ul3aLngT2zUduLeq070+KUAmz/gBFX/qjoMpQ1rxfxcK+jii45/DOJisCEj0DEwL5FoK8T2LL MliXorb+33mBU= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44935 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 6:22 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: daniela-spit@gmx.it > Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , 44935@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variabl= e, overwriting user options > > * daniela-spit@gmx.it [2020-11-29 20:02]: > > Correct, everything tells you it is part of Emacs. Then one sends a r= eport and people > > start sending in in a long winded road to find the appropriate > > channel. > > We can consider those features of reporting bugs still in > development. I never knew since recently that there are various > reporting bug functions. You can discover it easier by using > completion such as ivy package. Still in development? How much thinking do people have to do for this. I can make 34 mailing lists in a few hours! > There is: > > - report-calc-bug > - calc-report-bug > - c-submit-bug-report > - TeX-submit-bug-report > - org and Emacs maybe others > > > You look at "Emacs Asking for help" and "Emacs Reporting bugs" and you= get only two things > > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. Have been following= discussions here > > and people herd together telling others they are doing everything back= wards. And insisting > > everything is fine, makes serious people not happy at all. I do not w= ant to hurt anyone, > > but there exists a wall between maintainers and users who basically us= e Gnu Tools to do > > something else. > > Users could assign to themselves specific level such as Beginner, > Intermediate, Advance and God. > > Beginner would be welcomed to submit bugs and kindly explained that > there exists specialized mailing list with more people able to help > it. > > Intermediate user would be simply told to go somewhere else. > > Advanced user would be anyway submitting patches and be active in > Emacs development, so there would be no problem with this level. > > God would never tell anything to anybody just as what is usual that > God does, I guess M-x something... > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 11:42:43 2021 Received: (at 44935) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 15:42:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37583 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6XT-0003Q2-LR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 11:42:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6XR-0003Pm-JQ for 44935@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 11:42:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zebfDy7ekGIL9PRt6Oj5MwwfLElocceUeX4v4/7p+Us=; b=bOeQEzSBDEewKab25mZQ3ciJ37 ui43tLoZs3X+Ez8NboOE6Muf8FbUEn7Ccr+7jqFgU4cSv5LyoTGoK1o3TIXalkwvI2ISD1PlBWBlG H/1yPr4UH+GF+zZfzraa9vwOdiaZ9p53wPtInuDJ27Bf6+sbiYxfI1B/+f5EXFlRTqyU=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6XJ-0001y4-AU; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:42:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: daniela-spit@gmx.it Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options References: <837dq4mcb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfekkrih.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Reinhard Voigt's _Kompakt Total 19_: "Der Mann, der nie nach Deutz kam" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:42:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: (daniela-spit@gmx.it's message of "Sun, 29 Nov 2020 18:59:09 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6o9bnh3.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: daniela-spit@gmx.it writes: > So now the maintainer starts telling users that they are rare cases > for being confused. How can any woman stand this guy!!! Impossible. I'm closing this bug report. If there's anything more to be done here, please report the bug to the Org maintainers. 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