From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 14:22:02 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 19:22:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj5nF-0001KI-JZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:22:01 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:57924) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj5nD-0001K6-1Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:21:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kj5nC-0000TJ-RF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:21:58 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:48413) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kj5nA-0001KI-UB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:21:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606591315; bh=kOucQ3Efxlj8k05ON5JHmjJ6UKrGSTwfcaopi98YaSk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=hi0AkU92+dGWd0Mgk3iJ7xuIB1VPetY4ciyeaQ5Fq7+N2bz/AYNL+wy37kdyhK3zt 3Qs7SBuwYqLee1av+fqbd9fPU3KPY0eKCyLGCcrDk7IZBqeCbaKhbXZk2DpXhs9nXt yY/EUNZY2Ph6vUc6Z0/4lRlLrHrPydvGU2qVhsoM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from strobe-jhalfs ([188.109.153.25]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N8obG-1k5xfp0QdS-015rxk for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:21:55 +0100 From: Stephen Berman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.0.50; Info-next-reference skips next reference Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:21:50 +0100 Message-ID: <87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:o7hv1ByqRZJtLFgeQSbYoMGVT0DRjF8m5MWK8/P7qys9MmGUqnT KpiWpZaR5ZjasXPCn1qHH/SHhdJwAmIjL14MHM3CzKigKDPTm6Xxp6Qnycp9lHsAgzTs8a+ rlx3rxQ7HYBU+IXi2l7cfkzHvksIcKOPqFb3d0w7Ddilk1V+YDwZ5HzZHG5P9lHNJbLGNhy V7BqH0QfIreVHjcPpyJug== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:cYaqYhG+uSI=:aQczexuMZK9HwkU42dBDHL igRWpDDVDxKbKlNg9j+lR0sOGklUDu5mJClR9qKZr1OEd/qrh8qIH0RpL8+JVkmahIG69kdHz yCk7/MzTJiivDnLcGm6wnwUW1/86MISLF3PjI5HMA1rik9iQ1AE0z4IOpO3xjBVEoxKDs9bsR U7MxPeTET6ZfMcFklHiSdn3TZIR8NUxpNSPm/79dmlyCbj8gXZIm9+KZCKMu+s2Pcha9HATG0 QdA3hFwzOB6TQMYJfvqaPqLQhexfSC2+yit6QS+jyJEArXiqCPGJnUFahmXJn/dNi9RIbVojK eert8GeKJVry31AQRgQye3drlead2/14rjFMkeACiaSSyq1SDciGbujqDOXTaED6esResS71b JCEWoAQIty/CSR+ByKjtJKvLPjLlVFBkulB3ZKRkF/dteDKBySVHsc0mdGCcOOXZyvYsjeWJB CzgweSUaA8YStzuzJuEGN/3D41z8lBwwC9pc+MDWQLYmZYxHhB50JDO6WDRXmMtbBkwWEOgx2 ZjW+rJGu9uQbwImeqMl7xkD8XI+NXGqkmhUZ7iO0OXthTWIxtk1lVD5/dU31OoYvcadVHkarA qocgCJj+XNReGHnDVnW9FzRGmb1rfmLvhdtREY16+TMM7Qv2OyQD3turvbqeQnvfmRpL27gtR pM6FgiGyweOA3UVwfwLl6H2wm/fwl1IK13nFYTOsOKFD6xzIV97vdjtRuQUJ6j0A+xbYGqfDI x5HHN/goINCXFKuq2t/vn9/Khu4Xp6F/MjWS4iw8c3T11k9XhUtJpi7oVbb9IRfQoXDj6Z4mF PV8PxyP0RwEnhrmjXeawUK3fFSDCTB4Rx6ZUJayUZWRA6vfcD35YGd5ZAusuq57nBdV6pxT2E g9erSI8+EhnC9EVeBOeg== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=stephen.berman@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 0. emacs -Q 1. C-h r (if emacs is installed, otherwise `C-u h i /path/to/emacs.info RET') 2. Repeat `C-n' until the cursor is on the '*' before the first menu item 'Distrib'. 3. Type TAB =3D> The cursor jumps over 'Distrib' and goes to the second menu item 'Intro'. The same thing happens if the cursor is on the space between '*' and 'Distrib' and you then press TAB. In both cases, I expected the cursor to go to the immediately following link instead of skipping it. This behavior annoys me every time I run into it, but I haven't debugged it till now. The attached patch fixes it. (The code responsible for the current behavior in Info-next-reference has not changed since the command was added to Emacs, but I hope you'll nevertheless agree it's a bug.) In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 42, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.17,= cairo version 1.17.3) of 2020-11-21 built on strobe-jhalfs Repository revision: 0a8cd0116204354e95fbb4ebde64c58123502aa2 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12008000 System Description: Linux From Scratch SVN-20200401 Configured using: 'configure --with-xwidgets 'CFLAGS=3D-Og -g3' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=3D/opt/qt5/lib/pkgconfig' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS XWIDGETS LIBSYSTEMD PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Info-next-reference.diff diff --git a/lisp/info.el b/lisp/info.el index c3684deb96..5c383836c8 100644 --- a/lisp/info.el +++ b/lisp/info.el @@ -3148,6 +3148,12 @@ Info-next-reference (old-pt (point)) (case-fold-search t)) (or (eobp) (forward-char 1)) + ;; Don't jump over the cross-reference or menu item when the + ;; cursor is on the '*' or space in front of it. + (unless (looking-at " Menu:") + (let ((lbp (line-beginning-position))) + (when (looking-back "^\\* ?" lbp) + (backward-char (if (looking-back "^\\* " lbp) 2 1))))) (or (Info-next-reference-or-link pat 'link) (progn (goto-char (point-min)) --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 14:44:42 2020 Received: (at 44929) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 19:44:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49134 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj69C-0001sS-2o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:44:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46478) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj698-0001sC-95 for 44929@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:44:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49427) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kj692-0008WJ-VE; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:44:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2134 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kj692-0001TA-7q; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:44:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 21:44:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83h7p9mfl8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-Reply-To: <87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:21:50 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44929: 28.0.50; Info-next-reference skips next reference References: <87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44929 Cc: 44929@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stephen Berman > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:21:50 +0100 > > 0. emacs -Q > 1. C-h r (if emacs is installed, otherwise `C-u h i /path/to/emacs.info > RET') > 2. Repeat `C-n' until the cursor is on the '*' before the first menu > item 'Distrib'. > 3. Type TAB > => The cursor jumps over 'Distrib' and goes to the second menu item > 'Intro'. > > The same thing happens if the cursor is on the space between '*' and > 'Distrib' and you then press TAB. In both cases, I expected the cursor > to go to the immediately following link instead of skipping it. AFAIU, your expectation is wrong: TAB runs the command Info-next-reference, where the "next" part means "not the current one". For the "current" reference, press RET. The stand-alone Info reader behaves the same. So this is not a bug, and I don't think we can change that in Emacs, even if we'd agree with you (and I don't think I do). Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 14:54:33 2020 Received: (at 44929-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 19:54:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6Ii-00026O-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:54:33 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:34183) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6If-000269-Pr for 44929-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:54:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606593263; bh=wJ4sAcCLmuVyym87BCkMcpghpflWLvZZIDCQuWVY0gY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ky446PlCwwWepnB1HN27MBC51fF63PAAlZWEq0SQMPjNFsdu2Eo0nRYPt61ZAoMVU zhQZT3h0S8KhUlA9PX1fQ/UZDsLJE1NS6nIj1zce2P9+syk9C88etFrxzkv7Hn4c1E 2UFkBOy5ur4qNQomsQE7fMY+74WGt08i/k4Uer2U= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from strobe-jhalfs ([188.109.153.25]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MEm27-1kyCJg0JnH-00GH0i; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:54:23 +0100 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44929: 28.0.50; Info-next-reference skips next reference References: <87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net> <83h7p9mfl8.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:54:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83h7p9mfl8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 28 Nov 2020 21:44:19 +0200") Message-ID: <87tut9i7fa.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ItXHW30lLjri8TZ2I/HvRgrwEQghDxg5xsTDaqNQGsq8p7cQWAq foj120Y21D9BYmAvwnT6rZZlTKURRz+KjqG2y14A78P6yz74pZQAk77LdJNg8BwJCcT3Z84 xOBXU5pcBcg2VWwXPF+9k54TI7ysLi8/ktVsuDRWQy4mESnfoOr5FkbfxMcJir0MpLYzHOI +HmVDyaDqmp/yCkibw9RA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4LaePmGSiBI=:NLDqfy4rCjx6QEiL7uQ0Fz eMITUIu+JS1cNIs4DwgpEsvOSaWtACYuEYBbSBzvflHFnNPbasGWGqVX4hv2o2Mze3Osd7aqJ xnG/OzWktEoiL2FzFJNtXrJ0bS5oI+NHlxTgyjLw/Y96KVVICclxXvwf//Nwv5yLLj5aTQIlJ QOcJb4PhRr3hJOIkMc+N8JBBsC2QDqKnB0suj0H/EOPjpiWHNqxgZNNVgXo92HOcRmMm0LVAe 1+CRHK3kDYoGzhcrX+8a6JpxZHJwR+y0OAwvHjhnJ+8+kRw6L2ItywNvbHAkQzKLdyxuSmeOC lZweD1DwizDlrEO9u04Fl8UN3JM6rbySxeZ86e3yq2xcKzN8UmoDOTX4pInyM6FUBKeCtMoN+ 0zh6gNZzS6kt3zSymjBUMHOw6NzyN/tKd9lGgpF9NFPd9X1erhCFIhMpdF2ZCMg8rLi4xNpcE FCuGmwfmqs9waaSR3TMYWK4J6AhXmJTfUDFVKVjohRPofXeGSWc5pznrpI65S5wTWCxHZN4CQ i6jfXkEggT5PP1sW0D4qd87qCC4kVL3TsipsXOrEnw/MvyUSYjQYK1sQhOrW8frPT4TEeajo7 IfH3w/bwpkpJ1aVkF0Pz0gNpXABsjJvnKZvCtxGv7geXuXVfigtrqvaKSWHn3qXHcS4RpLWjO 55Z7f/ZlLAEEvz67tFoUvo4VZtnGV+jdUaugW6LK7PvAH+FWMegtlvjj1/dGK+V457NFCag9M SCXgC+MNcNyRCm9pH/PW72I1ryRvix4qnBlC6x/Z+np9TULtqWtt1gumu2klt+mwY3yU+lpyw RBbfatAy2iFnDTfnLTFpsWshu2lwQmr1nOyuTPY8yULldVZPR1pXKz2KzWG+3SO9KnnTpzxaw 5/fgMVpm8fjHnUPWI4Jg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44929-done Cc: 44929-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 21:44:19 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:21:50 +0100 >> >> 0. emacs -Q >> 1. C-h r (if emacs is installed, otherwise `C-u h i /path/to/emacs.info >> RET') >> 2. Repeat `C-n' until the cursor is on the '*' before the first menu >> item 'Distrib'. >> 3. Type TAB >> =3D> The cursor jumps over 'Distrib' and goes to the second menu item >> 'Intro'. >> >> The same thing happens if the cursor is on the space between '*' and >> 'Distrib' and you then press TAB. In both cases, I expected the cursor >> to go to the immediately following link instead of skipping it. > > AFAIU, your expectation is wrong: TAB runs the command > Info-next-reference, where the "next" part means "not the current > one". For the "current" reference, press RET. I didn't know that RET works anywhere on the line (or lines) of the menu item, not just on the link, and it never occurred to me to try. Thanks for enlightening me. Closing. Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 15:11:12 2020 Received: (at 44929-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 20:11:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49163 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6Yq-0002W8-AB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:11:12 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:43610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6Yl-0002Vu-QZ for 44929-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:11:11 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0ASK8srg062217; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:11:00 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=/NzbHlqvKePguJP6RHIEvoEqRZFG+Gb1DT0JnjeKF1I=; b=Z6kxseYmGugzdRSfRW9KX2uZvSami/2RvgvGrQ8LmGjTrS4bVKt81xrPMxa2Emb6oOM6 m8zujEME/V4vn0Kui4QJ8p+MqMDWcvT2v8kNXGQ3TlZt3FmicrRQpjEEcru9CajwIguC 6y1LqUv6XDr5ILQKJ0O2L9s68/HsOyGjQi5IInmNTySeshROTFwvr4PTCbCIO6o/qcjl sajCr1j+aweSFTBnytCseohzgVio5fJy8FzmfACreWznppvBmplxVTmkHdfvKe0NGT96 2ZUT2EUpb3lxxzdDmnUy/YiMDHh2gTryUP/GV3K2XVUtZgBXEPeQjBmYC7W7aUb5n5ax qg== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 353dyq98dd-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:11:00 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0ASKAEC3011317; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:11:00 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 353ck997hb-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:10:59 +0000 Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0ASKAwE8026985; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:10:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2cb435b4-7de8-4783-9830-44195c111aca@default> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Stephen Berman , Eli Zaretskii Subject: RE: bug#44929: 28.0.50; Info-next-reference skips next reference References: <87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net> <83h7p9mfl8.fsf@gnu.org> <87tut9i7fa.fsf@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <87tut9i7fa.fsf@gmx.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9819 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011280129 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9819 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011280129 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44929-done Cc: 44929-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > AFAIU, your expectation is wrong: TAB runs the command > > Info-next-reference, where the "next" part means "not the current > > one". For the "current" reference, press RET. >=20 > I didn't know that RET works anywhere on the line (or lines) of the > menu item, not just on the link, and it never occurred to me to try. How about improving `C-h k RET' here, to let users know that? Neither the command name nor the doc string really suggests that. IOW, can we please elaborate about "near point"? What's more, though some of the doc string says "near point", other parts say "on". "If point is on a reference..." "If point is in a menu item..." And this mistakenly says that "point" is "on", or "in" something, whereas point is a position, not something that is at, on, or in something else. It's the other way around: something is _at_ a position (such as point). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 15:22:51 2020 Received: (at 44929) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 20:22:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6k6-0002nB-NA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:22:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6k4-0002my-Dv for 44929@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:22:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50028) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6jy-0003fK-Mu; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:22:42 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4466 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kj6jy-00009o-5Y; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:22:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 22:22:29 +0200 Message-Id: <83czzxmdtm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: <2cb435b4-7de8-4783-9830-44195c111aca@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:10:57 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: bug#44929: 28.0.50; Info-next-reference skips next reference References: <87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net> <83h7p9mfl8.fsf@gnu.org> <87tut9i7fa.fsf@gmx.net> <2cb435b4-7de8-4783-9830-44195c111aca@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44929 Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, 44929@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:10:57 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 44929-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > How about improving `C-h k RET' here, to let > users know that? Neither the command name > nor the doc string really suggests that. IOW, > can we please elaborate about "near point"? > > What's more, though some of the doc string says > "near point", other parts say "on". > > "If point is on a reference..." > "If point is in a menu item..." > > And this mistakenly says that "point" is "on", > or "in" something, whereas point is a position, > not something that is at, on, or in something > else. It's the other way around: something is > _at_ a position (such as point). Pedant. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 28 15:56:27 2020 Received: (at 44929) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2020 20:56:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj7Gc-0003cS-MV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:56:26 -0500 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:51038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kj7GY-0003cB-Ly for 44929@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:56:24 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0ASKnBSI141455; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:56:15 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=i9VfPwhVkXqhvHDUgtsHe8X1dFxS7d+xeoH64eOG5RU=; b=ZfAQQSi7m2vYdkgiqsnZxs0rgwOgeSEQCqOQ5fVPIACs7dlM1hDNopOMcQ19/0Kvu2cb D4adTBALQTcJc4PtV5935ngBuP/kOfVJbRQ2+NFqQNJqGrXCUePe7zDzWSCAxAJJVuPo PU812Dzwzk7FrQ59m/AS+cSxC81uS8X9Optu0St7T35ElSizI+d1KoRIraDswu/BW+65 mMOcT5iTshQseEEvpLdIYg8bSmTnKUZK2wjte3twzsMnNTTViqICgEonRmpws8v7BDn8 oh5VIwnnYcDeWGvesMWV0/0XCDMAIHmmqnAz6bBR5p8u1LDXOiB+CiO51KGRNocDxHVY gg== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 353dyq996t-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:56:15 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0ASKo61O191512; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:56:15 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 353dvhwgn2-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:56:14 +0000 Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0ASKuDK5022872; Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:56:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2e023dd5-fc93-4add-a03b-41e135e1324e@default> Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:56:12 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#44929: 28.0.50; Info-next-reference skips next reference References: <<87360tjnht.fsf@gmx.net>> <<83h7p9mfl8.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87tut9i7fa.fsf@gmx.net>> <<2cb435b4-7de8-4783-9830-44195c111aca@default>> <<83czzxmdtm.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83czzxmdtm.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9819 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=941 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011280134 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9819 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=952 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011280134 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44929 Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, 44929@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Pedant. 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