From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 23 19:17:43 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2020 00:17:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51651 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1khM1d-0004dr-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 19:17:43 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:37056) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1khLjg-0004Ba-W8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:59:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1khLjg-0001pn-I1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:59:08 -0500 Received: from mail.ptlnet.com ([94.229.138.130]:65026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1khLja-0001Jz-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:59:07 -0500 Received: from inspiron.notlocalhost ([10.9.0.1]) by mail.ptlnet.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 0ANNwmR1026088 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:58:49 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=precedence.co.uk; s=mail; t=1606175930; bh=ZxskIuWVU15J5Hq2XcHyQrxlRQYjDhs98aJL7/fpxp4=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=l95/6p+LxLih6t/nwTOgUxyDP7Ld86yfM2nVe3F8dHN3eOtXE4Cqg7Qolfg04XBTx m3LxYZrNWXW8yGhkLTXl0D7Z5qqstwrjmbxHZ32hJ6IKAVmokOuIKT5KzIvoe0OcbK 4ugQwQtrhOKv+q1LiqEhoRADU29g/7ZFOj60tLlA= From: Morgan Willcock To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 27.1; Tcl mode enforces bad indentation following proc within a namespace Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:58:48 +0000 Message-ID: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mail.ptlnet.com [192.168.10.250]); Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:58:50 +0000 (GMT) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=94.229.138.130; envelope-from=mwillcock@precedence.co.uk; helo=mail.ptlnet.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 19:17:40 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) It seems as though an incorrect indentation level is sometimes detected by Tcl mode. An easy (and commonly used) example is a proc defined in a namespace: the third line which defines p2 incorrectly wants to indent into the wrong position: namespace eval ns { proc p1 {} {} proc p2 {} {} } Spreading braces over more lines has the same issue: namespace eval ns { proc p1 {} { # ... } proc p2 {} { # ... } } The issues seems very specific to detection of the proc, commenting the first proc delays the problem: namespace eval ns { # proc p1 {} {} proc p2 {} {} proc p3 {} {} } ...as does using something other than a proc at the start of the namespace: namespace eval ns { variable x {} proc p1 {} {} proc p2 {} {} } I believe the problem originates from this commit: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el?id=cd5bb4bf3dbad8941d25823f398b595b8f0edbb9 To re-create the problem in a new buffer: 1. enter Tcl mode: M-x tcl-mode 2. paste this text: namespace eval ns { proc p1 {} {} proc p2 {} {} } 3. move point to anywhere on line 3 and press tab In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.11, cairo version 1.14.8) of 2020-08-12 built on inspiron Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11902000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) Recent messages: previous-line: Beginning of buffer Mark set Saved text from "It seems as though an incorrect indentat" Mark set [3 times] Beginning of buffer [8 times] Auto-saving...done Mark set [3 times] Beginning of buffer [5 times] Mark set Buffer *unsent mail to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org* modified; kill anyway? 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Company number 3725626 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 20:03:22 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2021 01:03:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50994 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ky2f4-0001Xc-E9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:03:22 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f42.google.com ([209.85.218.42]:42489) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ky09B-00065b-Hr for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 17:22:17 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f42.google.com with SMTP id d17so16510246ejy.9 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:22:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=auh4Ggfun42O2piNofWHuWOE/Q+Rzp25kErxgUJuhlY=; b=XrG8YvXFKAeCBku658QNqUKiI3oAnfLonu463ASNrbFOff/jm6ihDAhz4Hfq6NEYql LarxZh2HrYzFlK+/dWQ3ohgVF9WOFIubiE85FRFkgAh6pus7WOP7aUt9H5qvIhZz8Un3 eifdpQr7JFaRsG5q+7T502392ACk9oTmFj7xuZG32kDhT7TIvz5mDP9c1DN170ZLFX9b IgWiQzJHbYzL7ulBH9blR4HDQPiOu8VLfQzJDZAZEIFNT/tcCS0qdcHVlaoFBum+3Fg0 zVEBtsK444KFnD3CbC92AWtP659Y8rZO+Srwy/iUO6bsYOpPz82oOkb7V6aurXGi+jIa qd3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=auh4Ggfun42O2piNofWHuWOE/Q+Rzp25kErxgUJuhlY=; b=YJJ4KbaiCHDu7+uw/sRP9OhKEabOoBq3/UdDwFuLEIX8lFGDticugMz8N67aeum4lL AmW/GbATKxIQItK04RlMLc5tbttv8608f6G/PcDXCIULXnVEp8lcLFtn/zgFVibsYONR +eScfcv7JSjqZTCOW90XPb84u1W0anWL2znbTuylIVorOUOQl4uDsQDWhWW4gQyTrZxW aUcR4FwKebGYg2b2F0p6BL5E8CpfAHcSrRZfL0DT30TRDjDTQ/G1As0r86Cci2COKfIH GCjBpeAmkvmpkl+xm/+EdRjtwUZyHhHfZzS6q9AAjNMu8wVJ5e8/54DVro+IiwwqsdAz 723Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531iRK3lFVmXgvYlHIbhG2GBoiFx/5ZWwNUlo5enhvduorep5ooN +YRt1sSfaIziLa006BkJ1yJeNy0CmUChN03IHOElTVJZGg4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzOqHkm071m/rHsbiBIGkLNy3f8F2lxWJlDywNihg6aTNb9EeZ58hJIzHwpxkXv0Lo+QDauKB3r2+isgSdofQg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:15ca:: with SMTP id l10mr3825421ejd.402.1610144531286; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 14:22:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anticrisis Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 12:21:59 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: change severity To: 44834@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d30c9a05b86afc4c" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:03:21 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000d30c9a05b86afc4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just a note that this bug makes the current tcl-mode practically unusable for anyone writing more than a basic single-file script. I'm not sure 'minor' is the correct severity. Can it be changed to 'normal' and would it be possible to alert the maintainer, who I imagine must not be aware of the impact of his commits last year? --000000000000d30c9a05b86afc4c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a note that this bug makes the current tcl-mode pract= ically unusable for anyone writing more than a basic single-file script. I&= #39;m not sure 'minor' is the correct severity. Can it be changed t= o 'normal' and would it be possible to alert the maintainer, who I = imagine must not be aware of the impact of his commits last year?
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charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:03:21 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --- emacs/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el 2021-01-01 22:11:30.620000000 -1000 +++ emacs.patched/test/lisp/progmodes/tcl-tests.el 2021-01-08 12:51:27.420000000 -1000 @@ -50,14 +50,14 @@ (insert "proc notinthis {} {\n # nothing\n}\n\n") (should-not (add-log-current-defun)))) -(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name () +(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name-2 () (with-temp-buffer (tcl-mode) (insert "proc simple {} {\n # nothing\n}") (backward-char 3) (should (equal "simple" (add-log-current-defun))))) -(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name () +(ert-deftest tcl-mode-function-name-3 () (with-temp-buffer (tcl-mode) (insert "proc inthis {} {\n # nothing\n") @@ -71,6 +71,15 @@ (insert text) (indent-region (point-min) (point-max)) (should (equal (buffer-string) text))))) + +;; From bug#44834 +(ert-deftest tcl-mode-namespace-indent-2 () + (with-temp-buffer + (tcl-mode) + (let ((text "namespace eval Foo {\n proc foo {} {}\n\n proc bar {}{}}\n")) + (insert text) + (indent-region (point-min) (point-max)) + (should (equal (buffer-string) text))))) (provide 'tcl-tests) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 08 20:25:11 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2021 01:25:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ky30A-000251-RO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:25:11 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]:46943) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ky309-00024h-CE for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 20:25:09 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f48.google.com with SMTP id t16so16854731ejf.13 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 Jan 2021 17:25:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; 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Fri, 08 Jan 2021 17:25:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Anticrisis Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 15:24:50 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Patch to provide failing test for bug 44834 To: 44834@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Apologies, the patch was munged by gmail even in plain text mode. It should not be applied. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Anticrisis writes: > Apologies, the patch was munged by gmail even in plain text mode. It > should not be applied. Try resending it as an attachment. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Anticrisis writes: > Trying again with an attachment, thank you for the suggestion. Thanks; applied to Emacs 28 (but marked the test as failing). Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Anticrisis writes: > Trying again with an attachment, thank you for the suggestion. Thanks; applied to Emacs 28 (but marked the test as failing). This change was small enough to apply without assigning copyright to the FSF, but for future patches you want to submit, it might make sense to get the paperwork started now, so that subsequent patches can be applied speedily. Would you be willing to sign such paperwork? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 21 20:18:01 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2021 01:18:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2l5N-00081G-Di for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:18:01 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com ([209.85.208.47]:36375) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2l5L-000813-Mw for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:18:00 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id d2so1170509edz.3 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:17:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AYbqF0jKTzGEQn7esImSfyhOx+nz8hNEm7tbRlzIZ7A=; b=g+pkNAAYFrABQ6eiP2AwmKRTR2UrMZjBYtPG32v0dwhgGlsgniJcEQHndBNlbKCWxI Bq/NJY4pakuFi2uPS1F7P//yfGGZZkHVzBFSV7XwB4hSbG7o0U+tqtpm6siCNYkP+WD/ u962H2WTJZ19Oez2dqYSe0tHpwYn+MukP3btiG7IwmEXXs4KOJoZRHWQRgl9Iu57pvnh 5fBwOdBPN+FSWubaZRxI/T1ChD1lgG8IIdOF1aZ+ZqCenlFb/HnfGL2W7h4Wvr/lV62o PabmJ6ilUK90vwTDBoq/Mswkd7w3jCHQWA/0996c9ru7QUzGoesWO6ySkWvvtxzBeaig k1xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AYbqF0jKTzGEQn7esImSfyhOx+nz8hNEm7tbRlzIZ7A=; b=Nu/N+6rT1JygcJayqaja76e+d3m3v4inlfjKGSAk2tylclhLib2NEODPuEjMYM+bl3 yOpA+4g2GV2m9rrRHFJ9Jmm1oaZgDir4sivz29pQEay+NIXmQMhx/uLGBIubRrLVZX2y F2yXOtSuKAOVhNn2BxgTQuXUUVsZmnoUrsETv7Pto95bVJdt9e8Sl2pQprRynnJXovf5 q3NTq1SAKs8srLo3/hj0bwG9oM/cFRGW0gOOJEBoPWRr67myZCTJHzAFSrOMjRsQ7l+K 5rR1vxU4IYDh8hWCfg4udr8CUVSYKGvBDH/8qxgKuaXLOOf+q2VHhWRPLYSeLFsnB8sN 5+Bg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530rGQnqqKGkzoPXdnWPsmLR9l9cn7QzPNL4Bgf/u95yXvZti6jE v+najxbYnTZtzgt+HQjcPOes1DkJXry3ELSmqbwFGtefusbl8Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzeJ6JVLBL57Y5vpo7y5kmH/kTORac+n3qjic1BJgxZTM6/fNDnAjLgVXXObjh5CeR3cPajYaw2nliLxzeLcE8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1701:: with SMTP id y1mr1351241edu.251.1611278273564; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:17:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Anticrisis Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:17:41 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace To: 44834@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="00000000000021749b05b972f5b3" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000021749b05b972f5b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This patch corrects the problem by partially backing out changes introduced in this commit 2 1/2 years ago: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/lisp/progmodes/tcl.el?id=cd5bb4bf3dbad8941d25823f398b595b8f0edbb9 The patch removes the customized tcl-beginning-of-defun-function in favor of relying on the existing lisp mechanism. It preserves the customized tcl-end-of-defun-function because that is required for some test cases. The expected-failing test was marked as succeeding. This is a minor change. I did not refer to any code outside of emacs itself in investigating and correcting this bug. 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Are you willing to sign such paperwork? On further thoughts, I am not willing to complete the paperwork requested to assign copyright to the FSF. Instead, I waive all interest in this patch by adopting the CC0 public domain waiver. I have posted a shortened form of the patch (without the test/ diff) and waiver to: https://gist.github.com/anticrisis/08ca7e7e5a66a4c9d4b445cde7ed75b4 in the hopes that it will be useful to those in the emacs community who use tcl-mode. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 06 17:56:06 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2021 22:56:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46636 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8WUo-0003wU-0j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:56:06 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:36868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8WUl-0003w0-F9 for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:56:05 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f50.google.com with SMTP id jj19so18852471ejc.4 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 14:56:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U0XyF8rqwAVjkjlU75RofdUb/yMlhm/zTLN/CzIjOG8=; b=QTyGT0w+WUm1Aoe3RyFO/QJHb3kyNgulUtIe/vcElR3j6dM01Ww5u2mNQMEiONa4AX IWAHMrrQ02+5D45E7+9GBrD1U8W0TI5UVSjkxlGjVC8Mdci+tVFQ6ftRk/5q+p5iwsS+ 9W1kSGO0Eje+GqpVE1wTaJulH5/obtjdkDKj6Iz3sC1ubAf9fVuSe5pE6ahNZWhhg4Ra Nw7fzB2iLCgE6j6+G3Sen4+9lK1SZrHnpjBVzolaQMJfCOV9i8XqfIMcMWcAEd9EuK6A WAraMv2Eu+T11oY9JQaPT9a/vj6S5DhZRQBjaVVlqYqxLJr+7+ZJeaeJAvjTqZvE/bGr dWxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=U0XyF8rqwAVjkjlU75RofdUb/yMlhm/zTLN/CzIjOG8=; b=LoeBt+GwcR0adC7IA89/eBh6r/z7sEX071AUPzJQK7SnsEVxkUBfIFz8wQBk3yeK3r ikzvdav6cRO57/GHwp4i38loic6kENr0CfqwJ6LbcfCmK8JylP94kxHKNFondVpFkrjJ RqYqct/UWV9+/je8g9lflky0r+emD9XBFhC+hVphQdahxW9oXNG/Bq8FIovaE7Btrfg/ YFm43U3KqG9Jnawn5lFekM9GUe01WwS3FkMm8pLqdfu1NNq/SyeEzGoCEWtKXuNtK2jw mhJVVQ8N4AbPUrF7pnX3qItb3JM5vfiYQi7HEfkoFKqkUCX/ES+FQ0pon79vJX/POD32 F8FA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Kt77pkUeRjQ8vNTlVSKeh2WIdiRu2CrLHMTaYzivEEBzIZVcf c779lO+CF/pZuTJxLjn3gdv/Rb/gdA4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw0y8skm1jGPOhb1JxaTVNgGw8MNhBv+tTq5M99t61UoRYwMEf/H39LxbILt6iUFTSyp50ERQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:e088:: with SMTP id gh8mr10380817ejb.294.1612652157669; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 14:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([46.251.119.176]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g3sm6083517eds.69.2021.02.06.14.55.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Feb 2021 14:55:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Anticrisis References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 00:55:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) On 27.01.2021 06:37, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright > assignment to the FSF. Is it really? There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 07 00:47:51 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2021 05:47:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvH-0005LA-AQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvF-0005Kw-JT for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54707) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvA-0004Nt-8r; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:44 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cv5-000419-Cq; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:41 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Dmitry Gutov In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 7 Feb 2021 00:55:54 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:39 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright > > assignment to the FSF. > Is it really? > There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there. If someone contributes just 2 nontrivial lines, we can treat it as a trivial change. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 07 00:48:00 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2021 05:48:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46781 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvQ-0005LZ-Hq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:48:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvP-0005LN-PZ for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:48:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54712) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvK-0004Sm-IJ; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:54 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l8cvJ-000422-KG; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Anticrisis In-Reply-To: (message from Anticrisis on Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:51:21 -1000) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:53 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I have not looked at the patch or the problem it fixes. But I can say something about the issue of its copyright. We can use the program if it is under CC0, but would you please send the FSF a paper affirming that? Also, do you have an employer that might claim copyright on it? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 07 02:26:30 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2021 07:26:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8eSk-00084M-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 02:26:30 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f43.google.com ([209.85.218.43]:43889) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8eSh-000849-Lw for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 02:26:28 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f43.google.com with SMTP id y9so19667817ejp.10 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:26:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wLZOOw18aae21vEdNW/aK9KjHVT9NpSaKvLIdOVKvH8=; b=AxPCEe3DDS69FeHVJFRQWJ60cWithPEGi8iO+5XmA2qJBEdMcVXdl9W1qTXtDQzEWC mHWaM/Wa2k/4uSUWUtWQh6fMnZycFJ7LRVHVj4kyy5yOJP2QUnNNCXIjHeiW2v5hjzOc BMxR2ZibzSvWZQ4cUCwKX3yG66dMj4nPHcMg2cDf2zIL7xozWVpv8HjDyWaWtCEhh2ml gMWkOGBOpTWhtM1HckkXZNpJyfLdTDStlOQAbosNRoPUAAIrKiqpfarx4COYk4mVHGT5 eWaH3zDpXZ+Ezw28rqHsyX4cSEIauTRkrQ2fEke3jSyql6fGJUYUIHGnyIFQ/pL+qc8l wEgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wLZOOw18aae21vEdNW/aK9KjHVT9NpSaKvLIdOVKvH8=; b=RxA9Io6yhaTh65dQa3az0G1Ev20KKXYpArbCEanO3RKr/3neEETBfAOOy1RXFvQIAC bv5Hsfw5IIBTZyOksDFqe5gvWhnppjaX6okmNkNYsRSXzIEXAitHXluq4AAVK20av/XP hIRebelD+SchmEjF4BKo7g4lJCi+QSUXaR4/ZWA5lWRtSCsq66u6B48ml0/ODhLi14Wl W8MmT83ywnh72tzxV+2d+kHB1Fo/Swr4IAR6cCve7SFcZs0BETnRfyLul5gglVHfIfRR hYhrWrYNHN1gzAg3zwvXFuHCzhlnR4xbg9MvC+SH7LR9hvnn9rbKqH4oRMx1Op5j4SRh eXwA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530HbP3p/BpjYTOcroPVdAy1fKPwDEyqodPx1mpAguzjD9QMlRco Rbqmp2ZX/t46RpbMd5N5Z+QP/Py8/tFSPkLAhG0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwd61JmMNYKmqlq8uotAVNHr8B/fv1Rs5ciHgaDJRPhsIjPjJPe9XMCbDIEYSCcvfMp3Y0bQXnifPUcPQi4vfU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b0d1:: with SMTP id bk17mr12023009ejb.310.1612682781588; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:26:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: From: Anticrisis Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:26:09 -1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) It really is a tiny change, and I explain the rationale in an earlier comment on this bug report, it would take five minutes for anyone else to read the explanation and make the same code change. I placed the CC0 disclaimer using the Creative Commons CC0 tool directly on the gist at github I posted earlier. I'm afraid any paperwork would require my real name and signature, which I'm not willing to give. And I am self-employed. I don't need attribution, I just hope the official version of tcl-mode can be improved for everyone. On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 7:47 PM Richard Stallman wrote: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I have not looked at the patch or the problem it fixes. > But I can say something about the issue of its copyright. > > We can use the program if it is under CC0, but would you > please send the FSF a paper affirming that? > > Also, do you have an employer that might claim copyright on it? > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 07 06:40:22 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2021 11:40:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8iQQ-0005yg-23 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 06:40:22 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8iQN-0005yP-FO for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 06:40:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=D+IY12ndfXPj3bAD8KfBDZf3xXBXz+7UVDia0n3rf+4=; b=vVwI7057rHDi7PQa5wF4oDQYew Jpfw0QEMiI2rcdgvhpT4wN5qgrVY0vXV52bpkVacgV7EvX9aQC43MgI9vT5M26X3VDLlovZyEgqJk Z2jAJG0pVS61dSJooUgzsXnqsbgKr6M9BJ46MeKbPtxkYIejekV4FA1s/59YmgtcT80s=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l8iQA-0008Gm-Vu; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 12:40:12 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Massive Attack v Mad Professor's _Part II_: "Inertia Creeps (Floating On Dubwise)" Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 12:40:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:47:39 -0500") Message-ID: <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > > The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright > > > assignment to the FSF. > > > Is it really? > > > There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there. > > If someone contribute [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > > The change is unfortunately too big to apply without a copyright > > > assignment to the FSF. > > > Is it really? > > > There are like 2 new [non-empty] lines in there. > > If someone contributes just 2 nontrivial lines, we can treat it as a > trivial change. Oh, I thought the rule was "15 lines of non-trivial changes", not "15 lines of non-trivial new code"... (The patch in question mostly just removes code.) Let's see... From CONTRIBUTE: ---- Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. ---- So if code removal doesn't count, then perhaps this should be rephrased? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 07 22:44:53 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2021 03:44:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8xTp-0000Rz-EU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 22:44:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l8xTn-0000Rl-NB for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 22:44:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8xTi-00021p-0X; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 22:44:46 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l8xTh-0006j3-1J; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 22:44:45 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 07 Feb 2021 12:40:05 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 22:44:45 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > copyright for your contributions. > ---- > So if code removal doesn't count, then perhaps this should be rephrased? It can surely be improved, to say that lines deleted or totally replaced don't count. However, trying to make it a completely clear and precise statement is a misguided goal. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 08 01:31:03 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2021 06:31:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49425 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l904c-0005lt-Ur for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:31:03 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l904a-0005ez-ME for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:31:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/lISbpKJwb8YsCayWBcLnO585N8rIbCWjF68xrH4l1o=; b=rkNg4qyXnHeOgrTlcTso0C7o/a 1hI6ooVMLVUNZOE0m+tE7lCTDu81hwlH+Rq8mfxKP8DXUjt//X8xCdP/osV8Vg6c6OzVEGZZ7wlA7 48J5WQL2uBiWatvV7B+TXRuryVdZ2ebMLSHhTynC8FGB8UxMYJIgvWBY/BKPZtMMsMiA=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l904P-0001ln-Dg; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:30:54 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEVONSCYbDjGnVzo w4/////FvwTCAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCCAYAF7J3omsAAAGiSURBVDjLZVSJccQw CASnAcE1YFADkdx/b1nQY/viyUQMK2BZ0BEVFilMhEP8VJ8ficE2YOkylfmR93pdHS4cMD4Bi7CQ WlzMv4ywvM8WuWl+UWwYhcKJC2XW6CNVFk+EVvG2WF0ZiWoohdo3kBGUxYNVUgijXkR3aUWkScao b/dgER0E40E1RJH4N5gISnvP2xytzVtxSWcNlkhbdjWU0Wt3KshII1sWG3cKF9YQcZCRHc1O2Yav CBoG1xp9X2e1slOFVa/0A0gKyZ6Q9cCcEmg+IrIn/6UDU+w5wAkEf5JPCaB5qzHx1YiTSzuq1waF VA6jHQFJDzuPBrsaPwDSzn6yCYosgHJ9xFhDEhCzpUTSdWG3GFMFUGjTZTlZ4wAVWxotEcVKyvDw L9Ei12MgW3Z9eOfsbxYPQNdewXwBsVvLLnu1ie9NjLXiaRWI/QAADQFZ2N8A1MzHIpD6DaDgSXvZ b+Do8RTjNX4BKrnNRnn4TVJyIR/HluENLPY8gTzs1gp+15kcB5jrouTz/X/R/fF/3+oaSSLRNyDx o2Mx9o39AQbITJimC/42AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTA4VDA2OjAwOjIzKzAw OjAwzztZsQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0wOFQwNjowMDoyMyswMDowML5m4Q0A AAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Bob Dylan's _Blonde On Blonde_: "Absolutely Sweet Marie" Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:30:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 07 Feb 2021 22:44:45 -0500") Message-ID: <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > copyright for your contributions. > > ---- > > > So [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > copyright for your contributions. > > ---- > > > So if code removal doesn't count, then perhaps this should be rephrased? > > It can surely be improved, to say that lines deleted or totally replaced don't > count. > > However, trying to make it a completely clear and precise statement > is a misguided goal. I've now changed "changes" to "code", and I'll apply the patch. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 08 01:34:16 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2021 06:34:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l907k-0006u0-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:34:16 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l907i-0006to-8h for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 01:34:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fkt9R2KWhWVKHRDdl5WhD11XQfVbPRwPe9cWIcte4tY=; b=VTOAk1C/7nPRTq1G1KW374xFwK Lg/NeZhM4WlFY6qqyxJctnw7fRiFCZjC9/touuiG2AknlkSd4wjFnHe9AIDGNtf0j8NMLptP4uHj5 HODJE9tMzJCWQLHeSyAgIkWw0/Vqn3eDnADyoU9OlCo21krDL2SYk2OrAiYUisQ5gsbc=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l907a-0001so-OG for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:34:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:34:05 +0100 Message-Id: <871rdrnk4i.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #44834 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 44834 fixed close 44834 28.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 44834 fixed close 44834 28.1 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 09 01:08:08 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2021 06:08:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9MBv-0006Nu-Vi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:08:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9MBt-0006NQ-9o for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:08:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9MBn-0004CB-MY; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:07:55 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l9MBk-0003R4-Lu; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:07:53 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 08 Feb 2021 07:30:48 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:07:52 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The text said > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > > copyright for your contributions. I think you changed it to > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > > > of non-trivial code, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > > copyright for your contributions. but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret what is "trivial." Please put in about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with a symbol is nontrivial.) -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 09 03:25:05 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2021 08:25:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9OKW-0003Vo-Ot for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:25:05 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9OKV-0003Un-KF for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 03:25:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=OrOIBGEOwtuLz8/qZtCY4PpOPSOIkKmVRUY+j2AWO2s=; b=TM4HoNdQ0ryBaUpwnd6fzlNKrT qUFunoZR7skG8acqKh9GfGWeOQ1vAjevb9CqV7MxBtUABp0EzP5W5dMfPk5aLFv58A+5zbLkJxrQA ZRGivlU9nNd65ujfHuCit4OVx6W1KgBdmE6aDvQv2WUp0PIy/FB2brN4egUBbZuiXy5I=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9OKN-0000PT-1S; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:24:57 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAIVBMVEVYAQFZExRIAQE4 AQEkAAAcAAALAAFiAAA9DxAuEBH////9nmypAAAAAWJLR0QKaND0VgAAAAd0SU1FB+UCCQgXOkAJ MOcAAAF4SURBVDjLnZNNjoMwDIWtFIntHAGFqWZb8bOYXUWdC4DdG5Q1ahc5w9x6nEBI2sJixkgg 8vFs5zkAfGgfZT2HLgCU1jUY3owbjOMmGIGvW+u0B3APGAF/q5ECqquyrkwEIVVnc2ttlihoUfQA cGhC9ZCKtG7FjBabVbEkgjzrIDtb2/rvrgFo7iaDlDeXR9j5nMkQn1omxVy5jWMEl6qU56lsyDCl YChcp/3UCsAIGAvICE0PCp8VxQSHEyhp7sBB4Vw428kN1M3VfsrKqjjrIj/Kc5hyeyfGtV3k/o5y FJovpUtKihvus04pOPQPVxrXCSINmbhEQ/3w63hbgCjU0Xv5BgaNTtmVM1hT+UsULhYwklfIu3cP OSjGORXOgCJYagQF8UtxDAB3AP4DXFKADhDGiCY6kBDaUOym8uAnBXJWVsCLJQt46mrc23mi8MDg W3E3jwBebafgbgT0mgr9ulPQc1dyhiWBibML4LtC9Aff/6Nzs+7+C5goU5g2IF0EAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTA5VDA4OjIzOjU4KzAwOjAwICybsQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0wOVQwODoyMzo1OCswMDowMFFxIw0AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Afrodeutsche's _Break Before Make_: "Guess What" Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:24:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 09 Feb 2021 01:07:52 -0500") Message-ID: <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret > what is "trivial." > > Please put in > > about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with > a symbol is nontrivial [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret > what is "trivial." > > Please put in > > about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with > a symbol is nontrivial.) Eli has changed the text further; please have a look. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 09 10:41:12 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2021 15:41:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9V8a-0003sX-I8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:41:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9V8V-0003sF-CY for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:41:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9V8O-0000nt-Sr; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:41:00 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3738 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l9V8H-0004U1-St; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:40:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 17:40:50 +0200 Message-Id: <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:24:53 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:24:53 +0100 > Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > but that is not entirely correct either. People could misinterpret > > what is "trivial." > > > > Please put in > > > > about 10 new or modified nontrivial lines of code. (A line with > > a symbol is nontrivial.) > > Eli has changed the text further; please have a look. FTR, the text now says: Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines of non-trivial code you added or changed (not counting deleted lines), we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in order to start this legal paperwork. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 10 00:32:53 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2021 05:32:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9i7R-0000Yz-8G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48386) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9i7P-0000Ym-Fb for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36773) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9i7J-0006ol-GW; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:45 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l9i7G-00073v-Aj; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:42 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 09 Feb 2021 17:40:50 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:42 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > FTR, the text now says: > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > of non-trivial code you added or changed (not counting deleted lines), > we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your > contributions. Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the > necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in > order to start this legal paperwork. Thanks. Please make it this: > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 > new or modified nontrivial lines of code, we will need you to > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on > emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the necessary form > together with the instructions to fill and email it, in order to > start this legal paperwork. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 10 10:09:03 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2021 15:09:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9r70-0004jD-Op for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:09:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9r6z-0004ih-KF for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:09:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9r6t-0008Vl-Il; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:08:56 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3470 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l9r6k-0002a1-33; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:08:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:08:46 +0200 Message-Id: <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:42 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:42 -0500 > > > FTR, the text now says: > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 15 lines > > of non-trivial code you added or changed (not counting deleted lines), > > we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your > > contributions. Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the > > necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in > > order to start this legal paperwork. > > Thanks. Please make it this: > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 > > new or modified nontrivial lines of code, we will need you to > > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a > > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on > > emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the necessary form > > together with the instructions to fill and email it, in order to > > start this legal paperwork. Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines? I agree that in principle "new or modified" covers that, but how many readers will immediately understand that "modified" doesn't include "deleted"? I put that there to make it clear; is there a reason not to say that explicitly? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 10 10:24:19 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2021 15:24:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56898 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9rLn-00057H-Ae for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:24:19 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9rLk-000571-CW for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:24:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CKGjpPN8CkoPur93KIPsqiXAwItOXJCkeUjeslkEeWI=; b=EzUaE4UHmkv0wVrZuf0qyFtdQq cxsafO41t6pRgc4iRV/mIvRKiJpmQeYR5KGM2VAsogY5BSkalAggxtXpMeCbnQHEcfZxL5gHgfXSu L2hn6EKkOZYpY+4AHav7Ztlucpmf/qgNR9JlUDg6pFqi05Z0ijQAaiLIR96ZPfUqru/I=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9rLa-00073W-SY; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:24:09 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAKlBMVEUBAAAVBwgkFysR DBYpKEwmBgdOBAdvAwcxCA2vAQnnBBSMAgnPAw/////slH/JAAAAAWJLR0QN9rRh9QAAAAd0SU1F B+UCCg8WNKlQlcoAAAFFSURBVDjL1ZM9TsNAEIVnZDm4nMWycB1ukL0CB4gbUESTFIS/Ji5IIiUF NEhcIGDsG0BDEaSA64AVH4rdWCB7d3IAVlO9b97szKwN8D/PvvCl7/sdKQ8N0Gm3VRypMCyOUAaS Ujp2OQJEIWxdiSoCIiRsFnOkI9nOEHacgHh9hwyt2NZcnRwyoBffApwwwLvvgzeJmPreGM6HXQbs vbQ+L4yutnnubJXeuE3LoOq1eB9cEweSZJo0wbJa0yqZj7hFHPfSSZ8DszAdEwcu3x4MA6j3AqT5 I5rzodpE0M1Tc2ZE/diUr22AGjxvgLGobyPbjGyiwGn2TSy4Kp9MWfUKgj7KBQtEXq7r4/6WUqD4 MkHlyFKrlD7CKxdLDuDBa3xmXaEdYdG9G+qMJsAomgJEtiHg/iKdJoTYpmKTI/0Zms4agBr4AatO Pg7UakzTAAAAEGVYSWZJSSoACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnDy5KAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAy MS0wMi0xMFQxNToyMjo1MiswMDowMOtg61QAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDItMTBU MTU6MjI6NTIrMDA6MDCaPVPoAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Tuxedomoon's _Live in San Francisco (2005)_: "The Stranger" Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:24:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:32:42 -0500") Message-ID: <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a > > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol". Do you mean that strings or comments don't count? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a > > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol". Do you mean that strings or comments don't count? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 10 11:03:50 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2021 16:03:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9ry2-0008BY-HI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:03:50 -0500 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:49565) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l9ry0-0008BK-Ad for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:03:49 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 24.113.169.116 Received: from matts-mbp-2016.lan (24-113-169-116.wavecable.com [24.113.169.116]) (Authenticated sender: matt@rfc20.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EBE7FF81A; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:03:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Matt Armstrong To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:03:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:24:05 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman , dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> > assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (If a >> > line contains a symbol, consider it nontrivial.) Ask on > > I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol". > Do you mean that strings or comments don't count? Yes, "non-blank lines added/changed" seems preferable, simply because it is clear and unambiguous. - I think Richard may have implied that a line with a symbol is a sufficient condition for nontriviality, but it isn't clear if intended it to be a necessary condition. I suspect he meant "sufficient", but I think many people would interpret it as a "necessary" condition. - The meaning of "symbol" is not immediately clear in non-lisp code such as C, makefiles, scripts, etc. - If a commit completely rewrites a long comment or doc string, should it be considered "trivial" for the purposes of copyright? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 11 08:39:21 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2021 13:39:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBk-00061M-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53558) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBi-00061A-SY for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41224) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBd-0007NZ-H2; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:13 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBc-0000eU-C1; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:12 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:08:46 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:12 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines? Because it is logically not necessary. > I agree that in > principle "new or modified" covers that, but how many readers will > immediately understand that "modified" doesn't include "deleted"? The idea is to count lines in the new version which are added or modified. If that is clear, you will see that it doesn't count anything from the old versin. If that is not clear, we do need to clarify it. But real clarification calls for more than "deleted lines don't count". It's, "Don't count _anything_ from the old code; count only the added and modified lines in the _patched_ code." -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 11 08:39:33 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2021 13:39:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBx-00061l-AI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBv-00061Z-8E for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:31 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBp-0007T7-Mh; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:25 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lACBo-0000fL-Hu; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:24 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:24:05 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:24 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol". > Do you mean that strings or comments don't count? No. I meant to say that even one symbol on a line maks it nontrivial. But you're right that strings and comments count. So do numbers. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 11 09:01:06 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2021 14:01:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lACWo-0006Xx-NC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:01:06 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lACWk-0006XK-PG for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:01:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=37vli29JPRLALax6GlYM48ww+hq77Nd3v4suVGP4jvY=; b=AdIWUjPkJ2TgcEkfZV61Ty1rHw Cq+8yxsDwfS7GdhoxJg8sgcP6rK4S9YYw2Ao2hi30ndcJcbWOkVlZJ3WmEERGE/MqHBiRyWvwvOw6 edweEouEGTLD5RVLdtzPFagYvPl/V1p0HV8Vj3zgDnd9zCmQTFbWcRBt5zgY2JW/9Iq4=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lACWa-0003Zr-HT; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:00:55 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEVmW1CVh3r////N 0ppRAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAd0SU1FB+UCCw4AAsMMuNYAAAFHSURBVCjPJVFBqkQxCItQ9xbq fSxM932g97/Kj/0MQ5saY+LD1BirCltDIQdYlpAGiOAlcaqBXeAT0YKTswCXWA8MViWSRwEqANJH gnyRIO+sFIKWg/ka+mvKxeBtvYovQckxBH++EDtmv5NTfLHh3dGuBrsaDMiOIepGcEz29R11iTzo xavmrIDejZ+cqo8gaG/qCZuUCY70A61ipePQsZZ3D+Nov3QSUZiUxx0wXK3rR1I4HWxMqrtQFRrf /N1BHkET6dkYlxE0BxasfbLn68O8S0ru5L49u3LhxctttWWVfinKLIxd3Gf0Bxmdu0piPDVKlOJy u9HbcVP4923rOe1D9xcZ2K0L7EsOwyXdeDBe8fNwllS9TfN/35wmz1gW3lFaR2T3Ocb/1Pn0/muQ FzPXuxcO+yt7WV6yD/eTjp/XFpq1PPoHWL9CD10cUewAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEt MDItMTFUMTQ6MDA6MDIrMDA6MDCM58TYAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTAyLTExVDE0 OjAwOjAyKzAwOjAw/bp8ZAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Dwayne Sodahberk's =?utf-8?Q?=5FFj=C3=A4rilsfalu=5F=3A?= "Every Morning" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:00:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:12 -0500") Message-ID: <87mtwad7ql.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines? > > Because it is logically not necessary. Preferably, instructions like this shouldn't be brain teasers, but state (even redundantly) what the terms are. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > Why remove the note about not counting deleted lines? > > Because it is logically not necessary. Preferably, instructions like this shouldn't be brain teasers, but state (even redundantly) what the terms are. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 11 09:40:03 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2021 14:40:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58092 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD8V-0001Aq-EA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:40:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45440) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD8R-0001AH-WF for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:40:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42721) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD8K-0000tC-QT; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:39:52 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3549 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD8C-0004vr-4C; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:39:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:39:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:12 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:12 -0500 > > > I agree that in > > principle "new or modified" covers that, but how many readers will > > immediately understand that "modified" doesn't include "deleted"? > > The idea is to count lines in the new version which are added or > modified. If that is clear, you will see that it doesn't count > anything from the old versin. The problem is that most modern comparison tools show diffs where there are no "changed" lines (the "!" mark of "diff -c"), they only show "-" and "+", i.e. as if the edit distance is a sequence of just 2 operations: delete and add. So "changed" doesn't have a clear and immediate interpretation in terms of the presentation in diffs. > If that is not clear, we do need to clarify it. But real > clarification calls for more than "deleted lines don't count". It's, > "Don't count _anything_ from the old code; count only the added and > modified lines in the _patched_ code." That's clear enough. How about this text: Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the patched code. An added or changed line is non-trivial if it includes at least one identifier.) Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and email it, in order to start this legal paperwork. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 11 09:41:34 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2021 14:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58096 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD9y-0001DH-19 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:41:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD9w-0001D4-Rn for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:41:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD9r-0001k1-Ef; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:41:27 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3653 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lAD9j-0005AI-K1; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:41:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:41:23 +0200 Message-Id: <83sg62hdkc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:24 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:39:24 -0500 > > > I don't quite understand what you mean by "if a line contains a symbol". > > Do you mean that strings or comments don't count? > > No. I meant to say that even one symbol on a line maks it nontrivial. > But you're right that strings and comments count. So do numbers. Empty lines are clearly trivial, but what other examples of trivial lines exist? Should we say "non-empty lines"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 11 09:49:50 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2021 14:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58112 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lADHy-0001Pz-1d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:49:50 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f49.google.com ([209.85.128.49]:50288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lADHv-0001Pm-Sg for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:49:48 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f49.google.com with SMTP id 190so5814781wmz.0 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:49:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HGq2iHWWgrGQzfgrqUiQwXgIY+KLyDGO4xpP46JKZWE=; b=dxypC8aB61HrRWSMCP4+7ORDxxQMBTuggAS5e5uJTMQXTbl2r+dhB4HT+7XiAMYWO8 c9AKFJP2cYuDtepuf/loxnbpJPHNPGLMciUo1eHvJmuBYqUFZdtfe72SUk7+dO5JhB9d y70oZVewcdImPNFDOzBcGpcqJLvIY+x+b0Vq14jC9spnlusaHLXXGGUMO+ZitAOklUU1 dwZwlQ7WBVJjW7p8MuHxLq7je1rIQUPkHWLisToT7m6wCcmdzB2I/bepSyzg/uFy8YIP SLj2K16Ln/Pb02oixLHS6b3Mt5BHqoPd0u4xZAC0f5TwIkE2JVmDyaRla+rb5p7mQxRd tqkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HGq2iHWWgrGQzfgrqUiQwXgIY+KLyDGO4xpP46JKZWE=; b=SPK/xTYFVRHBESnVP3pdKI/pJsgR+SvTZrXIkDbZ3IPnmleVPpJy/ixptZxnaPM3ax Gj8iddl+sNQ2TI97oNlHQuMeLwTsW6HsM1WVU1FVBs024LZsCR4S4OwiLbN/4v/xC6WO 3wBsEh2lLRDTUxhTADxhAWXd1OME0SDhhgYvJuUyHZcqocdxPK2dBwotKQ92FwM3TbGd hDHpuUtFcUIub9C1JTOjH+6K4dkfYeHClp2liYyfbmLhgfSAcggIMhUKAagQFQFWp27x sUKkStsGB1dmDBWgNBX0KFBGMvS16dF8jS2sP3aR0k6rBrSd5tjkwVd5VoT9Fb09m2W/ P8aA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Pcr05Ap8pCYybtggwbKdZxPA6kaeT1ztktkaU899Bh/z9G8+x dxAgCU+gamj0fwqxzj9VwaPvutTPQ1Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyPLIbpM2RmvHQSHF25YqeOs8SsDUuH86QxbO5jAiP5xbwkigGNzEJr+e/k38El/IiSAuZZHA== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cb4f:: with SMTP id v15mr5607237wmj.162.1613054982154; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([46.251.119.176]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b15sm5338572wrr.47.2021.02.11.06.49.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:49:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace To: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg62hdkc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <1663d754-0684-c792-6e25-490ea4ef1f0d@yandex.ru> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:49:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83sg62hdkc.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) On 11.02.2021 16:41, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Empty lines are clearly trivial, but what other examples of trivial > lines exist? Should we say "non-empty lines"? I think we should also usually discount the cases of moving code around. If a line was removed in one place and an exact same line added in another, it's not really new code. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 00:48:59 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2021 05:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK6-0001wg-5F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK2-0001wQ-A6 for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59572) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lARJw-000205-Na; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:48 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lARJu-0005D3-VC; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83sg62hdkc.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:41:23 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0rgeyju.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg62hdkc.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:46 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Empty lines are clearly trivial, but what other examples of trivial > lines exist? Should we say "non-empty lines"? A line with just braces, or parentheses, or just a few operators, can be taken as trivial. There is no precise rule here. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 00:49:02 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2021 05:49:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59731 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK8-0001wv-UI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:49:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54924) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK6-0001wV-2d for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lARJz-00021P-Hq; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:52 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lARJx-0005DQ-3i; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:39:46 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:49 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The idea is to count lines in the new version which are added or > > modified. If that is clear, you will see that it doesn't count > > anything from the old versin. > The problem is that most modern comparison tools show diffs where > there are no "changed" lines (the "!" mark of "diff -c"), they only > show "-" and "+", i.e. as if the edit distance is a sequence of just 2 > operations: delete and add. That seems inconvenient, in general. Why do they do that? But it doesn't matter at all for this one purpose. So "changed" doesn't have a clear and > immediate interpretation in terms of the presentation in diffs. When you're counting the added or changed lines, it should not matter whether the tool distinguishs added lines from changed lines. If it labels them all with +, you can still count them. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 00:49:04 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2021 05:49:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lARKC-0001xZ-HW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:49:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54934) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK9-0001wZ-VS for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:49:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59579) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK4-00023w-Ld; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:56 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lARK2-0005Df-DR; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:54 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:39:46 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:54 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were > non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the > patched code. An added or changed line is non-trivial if it includes > at least one identifier.) Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will > send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and > email it, in order to start this legal paperwork. Please change it to this. (I am taking account of someone else's feedback.) > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were > non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the > patched code. Consider an added or changed line to be non-trivial > if it includes at least one identifier, string, or substantial comment.) > Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will > send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and > email it, in order to start this legal paperwork. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 02:26:32 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2021 07:26:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lASqW-0004cK-9Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:26:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lASqU-0004c8-KX for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:26:31 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lASqP-0003tx-5z; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:26:25 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2312 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lASq9-0002nl-F9; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 02:26:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:26:12 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1llg31n.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:54 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:48:54 -0500 > > Please change it to this. (I am taking account of someone else's > feedback.) > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > copyright for your contributions. (To see how many lines were > > non-trivially changed, count only added and modified lines in the > > patched code. Consider an added or changed line to be non-trivial > > if it includes at least one identifier, string, or substantial comment.) > > Ask on emacs-devel@gnu.org, and we will > > send you the necessary form together with the instructions to fill and > > email it, in order to start this legal paperwork. Thanks, installed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 03:14:50 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2021 08:14:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59881 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lATbG-0005ky-Ij for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:14:50 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lATbD-0005kj-ET for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 03:14:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Q+LkRD+LopTbIYb4RVYiTkP1kuEdQjHpG9oe/OBCB3U=; b=ZLPaXp49EZyx1vH+VXjUvujRKE cj3tlcR2f4UimjiwsX3DmFa7T5AMWBoyPPNdLYpJpYsrknEkcS6owB+RIYXsVyc54XoCry6ClgM2R xAeZY8atX1Z04sYMUE+cgFOq+xIZeHVWPodHCP8QUfb+eMa+t110LcghMNPx5wl20/MY=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lATb0-00047I-Kd; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:14:40 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEV8QRtcJA49EwqP TB3////LMLRGAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCDAgOE65l8aEAAAGTSURBVDjLdVQJjsMw CATlA8ALFl5QNf//2w6HXWerjarI8cAMg02J3VwDj6mq5SvqIVEL/MKxpY63bUAjUxKwE1BOAFn1 uNACnJoLuxezyEtsAWxISaZX3Pf9/nlvAArYZoWcEvNQRaq3AurWJQEgd7pYFOXjogDmf4AumNO3 yQEgmBsIM6JCUDIAQVegml5Cj4wQOEk+FOU3iiZYReC0L6k8e9NfB6DbzgAwnpY5a/oCtm+9qNYX ay7kDMy4DOkI+RD0vimdvF0BqoYz0oekRqvB+XwM80hTAX5mWJqxugznIzd7ykifx5d8PDJ2ERsQ Lhs2bKx/Mtrg9YLbOqgn/UeHunnLSmhf4gR6tQpwtERyQZ9z6nOMbBbCyR8SVDfRL8u2y9bty105 GII+m4h1iP1hnTGjloOyHYXKZGcoEW5Z86wmTLkWM7ioqjNWp7JPOSUAKKfOWSq0O6jaGa1tdTts EJrWFJ+orclJfeUFOArClPR5WFPVK4rrACo2v3+q0WsGByjm5PL5A6hWDwDGUC+uX97bYixrZfEu AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTEyVDA4OjE0OjE5KzAwOjAwpFIDeQAAACV0RVh0 ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0xMlQwODoxNDoxOSswMDowMNUPu8UAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Orbital's _Orbital 2_: "Halcyon + on + on" Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:14:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:39:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the But it used to be 15 lines? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the But it used to be 15 lines? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 06:16:58 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2021 11:16:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWRV-0003j1-Te for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:16:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWRT-0003ik-VE for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:16:56 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39987) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWRO-0004uy-Gu; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:16:50 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4870 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lAWRG-0005rD-VQ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:16:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:16:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83o8gpfsdc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:14:33 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: rms@gnu.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:14:33 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > But it used to be 15 lines? Richard asked to change it to 10. AFAIU, what CONTRIBUTE says is just a conservative threshold, above which human judgment is required. After all, how much of creative value is there in any given code is not something one can estimate by just counting lines. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 12 22:27:03 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2021 03:27:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33371 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAlaJ-0004Ee-Hm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:27:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33104) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAlaG-0004E9-Cb for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:27:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAlaB-0005qa-3H; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:26:55 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lAla6-000777-KG; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:26:50 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:14:33 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:26:50 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > But it used to be 15 lines? If people were counting both old and new code in the patch, and now they are counting just new code, the total should be smaller. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 13 06:37:55 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2021 11:37:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAtFK-0007yo-Gq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:37:55 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:47864) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAtFJ-0007yZ-Cl for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:37:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cxLdWGQ2c2o49H/lwe3gFIOUHyux+0P2ESMlBGN5+zo=; b=WBHUgdk4F5NHNds8f2C4TKlHG4 Y8y0MRZC2jBewIMCVg+VSI2b/lnsxfGdXpqqGuEn/n7BiGwluCcEUeQWuUWiq+DmItab3E/K+jDlC 9kateeyPOigGSsaAlUiT4rUmxqbQPn2xx9Q3CM3KfvhePMNVGw7LeC09AO41whmJDw+c=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAtFA-0003ik-Nn; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:37:47 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAJFBMVEVHpvk4l+Rfpemd ye/A2e8okKMYhpVVpLYic+cIaqodbqH////a1t9FAAAAAWJLR0QLH9fEwAAAAAd0SU1FB+UCDQsc M1cFeIYAAAGRSURBVDjLzdMxT4NAFABgoA6OoLXp2BoSa6dGmtg4tQcDbibkYNUYzlVT26YjlOF1 NdrmsXZo4FdKRThqr7tvOfK+e8dxx5OkfxaaphaPSr/1M8qaRqnLWAmWMZS1C0rZbxSgEH3YyFOU 7ris6JtSo8xT6vP3Wb0cJv5sNn3hUCMkB/9PxUnbdBmPJw4yEYIctW3MIk73QG5CaHVwbcwRVz/w mEMTAAzAT5IU8MDBAnzP8vtwClDPlrrFEtQCQtMgX/cC0DtGfXx9CAEBI7QSDsVXQD/b1RWW4JcQ DQgsRQDkGESjKpRHBaDbR8CwATg8cliYVXgooAmL/kAMYbZfIQS23uSgcoDRwl4KgQR2PEnXyZbN XO+mgOxCyGKA3WQTOzvocQhG0TV2ccMcNqZnFQgH+hLvcOM6zHlVKhB1DMRx7OygxUGGOowQP1zH 9fzaHmQXOMet60yf1VqvCiS4Slae603PJaUK2Y+4jOmMeW816bKntHiFBqDuGvCwTaXD4K17MFs4 PwdNVJamqSaq+ganJPTi6yOE/AAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wMi0xM1QxMToyODo1 MSswMDowMCTbv2QAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDItMTNUMTE6Mjg6NTErMDA6MDBV hgfYAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Orbital's _The Saint_: "The Sinner" Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:37:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:26:50 -0500") Message-ID: <877dncryew.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > > But it used to be 15 lines? > > If people were [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > > > Once the cumulative amount of your submissions exceeds about 10 lines > > > of non-trivial changes, we will need you to assign to the FSF the > > > But it used to be 15 lines? > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch, and now they > are counting just new code, the total should be smaller. I was counting that way, but it doesn't sound like Eli was (and I don't know whether anybody else was). So if that's the reason for lowering the number of lines, it should be changed back to 15 again. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 13 07:26:10 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2021 12:26:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAu01-000550-OD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:26:09 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50]:37174) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lAtzw-00054J-Nd for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:26:09 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id m1so2455326wml.2 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:26:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OFBJmyzt2mlnsDruZY12rjKSssXwiHAdZkdCrQYRegE=; b=IvHaZ5kx4cqJl78FQTToABly97AkwTZ3i+bgwp87k6gOhMj6q/C+e2GZ4kw9tPjmP4 5Lc2tf7D9DJ2Q95R2Xzn/0yxsvqvtTdFKlrj2AVJkPpNvs2JIgjRfKkAjMysa3L9or1V ZojfNJuoPtfjJ/UISbEFi7i9Pgaz5LFvvb5GBX+kyhkznNh8d6b/bXIqmGTouV0xMwEi 5JerSD9u6sy9RhbuO42vTgVaUUcHol4FMppk2J7MP95ehbfWcg0d2/1rFHs7R+IsgVT0 TC3NdZElwmMsu5kNg4UgjvfHAOOhsgH9NLAIxbSad2foMalYEk7IBVmNfwHBWF9HKdB+ bqXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OFBJmyzt2mlnsDruZY12rjKSssXwiHAdZkdCrQYRegE=; b=m9L0FJ2DQHzQmwxx3SKx9IEcMmyB9PUZtCATZjtnCSGdZf1gJb7Dx3HRTUeF2nqfwG SIsoNcy8lWPFm9zB0/P5jWJm7unF8GfZJI9MVv6i6XZ+EMg6kDjPLsamJ5zTeyzqSrHz iglB6jfhFEoEllh3UA7YDotrOPoXJ6Q8Z1FRWeubV3G3fsuM5BeNFSgsLXoIvq4pGsUu 5piMFVdkisEeBDmBJG1PkpKAMmCvafOyP7ArVtD9Ybc4/6p9dJgSQrbnF3Oie3WsHRcS 2whmYMqPw5Y9dbVYsuWGDFMmJJRcKDJBnjSkq8M4b7Hvs2OgYhWjBDPbRY8I2FY61quD 8tgw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530l+K7yRKMIiYih1zTyON0i+QEJI41Io7+HM6E8bT7pGBxO2e/q KlGpzm4MHibd7agmdI4nF+DI9Y7Vf+Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxy5F6Xk7soRuGscMB8LBGpCuyyUUd07P5b2LOeZqAnd/qbxQY9kdQg+80DxrVM2q6Yk+Df1w== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:541d:: with SMTP id i29mr6259018wmb.19.1613219159147; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([46.251.119.176]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u7sm14737100wrt.67.2021.02.13.04.25.57 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:25:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace To: rms@gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 14:25:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 13.02.2021 05:26, Richard Stallman wrote: > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch I didn't. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 00:19:53 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 05:19:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBsm8-0000rK-Pn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:19:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59078) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBsm3-0000r3-RC for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:19:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44091) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBsly-0001JS-F1; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:19:42 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lBslx-0004Dl-JR; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:19:41 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Dmitry Gutov In-Reply-To: <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 13 Feb 2021 14:25:56 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:19:41 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch > I didn't. It's not about you or one specific case. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 07:05:14 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 12:05:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBz6Q-00052b-Aw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:05:14 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-f48.google.com ([209.85.208.48]:40804) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBz6O-00052H-A9 for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:05:12 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-f48.google.com with SMTP id q10so11747731edt.7 for <44834@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 04:05:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kMprOnup/d5mC5aNv661T+aVlhgt0k1J6n3xwMEvf10=; b=aQ5fBzBN5zD4WcJ3jdD6gZCH9FhxdQOgkj7XYbGk4WCTYIBWfGsX7YFFJLgKANJ1LZ i0thD6Hl/WPisEF9R/DDLGgZE8xVFLXg0tqhvXZYe1BzH25tE6Y9dYKTyyQtCwVXCJrJ vKgPEdDzh+3SKVOIxXFhGEW3EfabhTuUCqqWSekn0bZKP4lAIQNOhJaBgT3zKQodTTFV kNP7Ij+wG1XuxcZ2Fakhgh6tBXZEmHrd9xawm9yJf/reMK7TsdD3ZGWJGCeoy+Ya/qUO PZFyHYYb6z9MCoxq3ZarGGJNJUPxfzhZjPpsZdYowa+UB5mmaXuk9WobS8l6x2YE2H7Y lWOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kMprOnup/d5mC5aNv661T+aVlhgt0k1J6n3xwMEvf10=; b=Lkum9y1eSE4XFeQkyaVNJedR1A8YOtJoeNX8kSNkMqriF/seZqo8A6stmHfugOWvRI +cPlUaNl7KMRkXm0u4rDUceV50n70DYN83ESxI+/5H5mACeq/kCK39ioxatgJ5RVTsQk qd8ANhKijfVF0YbQttRQghRR1Xj/fPyrcPEOF2byCV62DpGw9rD8A5DQ+oTFY0UXKmTo GDIFK+x9x9hqLSt/O3oiPGnT5W+3vLX22oI3zKW7RDPTIk434mSb+XL04SzUdRZtGBAm b0hRX9chkNF7ho74TBOGUdTHt0GXMlkd/VtiWWpwCyjEAk3iUYfrkqhPHvbiZsXtVJwK aYWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5325qw76T9IkK5NFrgXDevimCLkJ1rRl1nony2OEq65TPGv+XsFY i4lvLc03VVr92NfKpq62l4r8m5jxVJw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQtw6jmbZenpDJqFxUlKpQfcD9iKjtSlUndVYHiK9uWlJKEOgXh22Mna0m5gDPoDn76ZLLWw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:206f:: with SMTP id bd15mr20678277edb.342.1613477106477; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 04:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([46.251.119.176]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id u3sm13089832eje.63.2021.02.16.04.05.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 16 Feb 2021 04:05:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace To: rms@gnu.org References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:05:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 16.02.2021 07:19, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch > > > I didn't. > > It's not about you or one specific case. I have been accepting patches from users for years, both into Emacs proper and into several GNU ELPA packages. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 07:06:56 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 12:06:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBz84-00058M-Ky for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:06:56 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lBz82-000587-Qy for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 07:06:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=o7ZGcv2SaSFPhjMAbUhuEJTIdiBFHeCIfJq5klZfnqs=; b=QdsRdyppoAmp651SqDXDlNkdf3 SwjwFuvZXfNqNZQI5U0bYPtpiwzi/M2VisZbP1S/dKAejEorlRhaOvME15PDGhvwrb++prsKraK5W u3lbZpkhDIhcQ4jZoHqJqq1VJWa4x5zwZJ+TIky2XHgX1JVdXVwtzizW5ZdYp7BgetOE=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBz7t-0004p8-Bw; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:06:47 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAIVBMVEXKEBrSESPYKC6Z EBVSCxEfBwttCxJoKimMSkh8Q0D////HQmIzAAAAAWJLR0QKaND0VgAAAAd0SU1FB+UCEAsuAdDR 8jUAAAGoSURBVDjLdZNNTuQwEIUTBbGGuQFzgkYevG6JcnyAuGALStpodiyC3KxnpE7fIMedqvJP wqR5y/flxVXPSVX/zPpxd3e7qMqqb7/oplrpC6u+ixS7Ump3CTRg0N1fAAZJbrcB9QEdsW4LHtB+ oHu5AJ5PAY9/6s0ZV8/zMUzj63YPO0/TOTxuwXma5umvfd3sEebpPI2w/x8ofZzP8yWgfp9CGO37 FryFED5PoV65jVKN9wOCDca+LH2Tr67bASy60YZ9tnfsMzABnQ1jt7ycpR1Iv4BdtAqQclldcgqA DJoV6L03mIFagKZZC3hSugDvOZH0pL28u4r+Cqg+JbSAwwKUoIpdAD+4hFx80BMYAKDlrmLCZ8A+ RbxPiQIAEonnQwYDZNEhDrH1IKdWxW8hJpIWAHQIvc1tQKsRf3VmDWK8v3YG3KGAPBXsmv7B0E9C O0WQ9EiArkuATCUul0NA8S4yIAEpV+rkkgaZigIt30evpekCWtlcyieg+4FLNm6IzclFSYA+OR4I U6VpKr5gwwa46OdxOePTs6ldAPkA45KytjGyIH6jf75JBbLZywoVAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0 ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTE2VDExOjQ2OjAxKzAwOjAw4B6W5gAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0w Mi0xNlQxMTo0NjowMSswMDowMJFDLloAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Sevdaliza's _ISON_: "Hero" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:06:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:05:03 +0200") Message-ID: <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 16.02.2021 07:19, Richard Stallman wrote: >> > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch >> > I didn't. >> It's not about you or one specific case. > > I have been accepting pa [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 16.02.2021 07:19, Richard Stallman wrote: >> > > If people were counting both old and new code in the patch >> > I didn't. >> It's not about you or one specific case. > > I have been accepting patches from users for years, both into Emacs > proper and into several GNU ELPA packages. So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better explanation for the change. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 10:38:42 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 15:38:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC2Qz-0002Lx-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:38:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC2Qz-0002Ll-5X for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:38:41 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53380) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC2Qs-0002I9-Bi; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:38:35 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2652 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lC2Qk-000640-On; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 10:38:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:38:33 +0200 Message-Id: <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:06:43 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:06:43 +0100 > Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better > explanation for the change. Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and energy. When in doubt (and we rarely are), we can always ask (and actually do ask). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 11:29:31 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 16:29:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41349 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3EA-0003fA-Vr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:29:31 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3E8-0003eu-PA for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 11:29:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EiRfFlTPLiAkwML+3yEp2eFf8uhR4EF9TlYm1a3rQ64=; b=NyrkMaic2yMO2zX5oS5LGBJmP/ 0zZVTQ6KR6GAfu37jz1H3f2Hcx0ZBcRKU3QC/Hw8hW43aBAdAT1BWPalBZMfskDR/Xf/JSpMIMS63 bTJe3BdSaKNHYist6kk4cmWZGv/J+tEaqOxYj3uk2HdXhDe8Y8zNEt2WXsUeQLroxj4E=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lC3Dy-0006VQ-Rc; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:29:22 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAIVBMVEVYAQFZExRIAQE4 AQEkAAAcAAALAAFiAAA9DxAuEBH////9nmypAAAAAWJLR0QKaND0VgAAAAd0SU1FB+UCEBAUGm9u qTEAAAF4SURBVDjLnZNNjoMwDIWtFIntHAGFqWZb8bOYXUWdC4DdG5Q1ahc5w9x6nEBI2sJixkgg 8vFs5zkAfGgfZT2HLgCU1jUY3owbjOMmGIGvW+u0B3APGAF/q5ECqquyrkwEIVVnc2ttlihoUfQA cGhC9ZCKtG7FjBabVbEkgjzrIDtb2/rvrgFo7iaDlDeXR9j5nMkQn1omxVy5jWMEl6qU56lsyDCl YChcp/3UCsAIGAvICE0PCp8VxQSHEyhp7sBB4Vw428kN1M3VfsrKqjjrIj/Kc5hyeyfGtV3k/o5y FJovpUtKihvus04pOPQPVxrXCSINmbhEQ/3w63hbgCjU0Xv5BgaNTtmVM1hT+UsULhYwklfIu3cP OSjGORXOgCJYagQF8UtxDAB3AP4DXFKADhDGiCY6kBDaUOym8uAnBXJWVsCLJQt46mrc23mi8MDg W3E3jwBebafgbgT0mgr9ulPQc1dyhiWBibML4LtC9Aff/6Nzs+7+C5goU5g2IF0EAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTAyLTE2VDE2OjIwOjI2KzAwOjAw/0QTSQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMS0wMi0xNlQxNjoyMDoyNiswMDowMI4Zq/UAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Afrodeutsche's _Break Before Make_: "Guess What" Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:29:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:38:33 +0200") Message-ID: <877dn8vuw2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number > is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and > energy. Sure, that's fine. Or "about 15". :-) Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number > is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and > energy. Sure, that's fine. Or "about 15". :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 12:20:18 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 17:20:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41457 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC41K-0007FP-1Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:20:18 -0500 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:39493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC418-0007EM-HR for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 12:20:16 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.98.178 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-98-178.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.98.178]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 87B7EC000B; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:19:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:15:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 16 Feb 2021 17:38:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87v9as2d5b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, Lars Ingebrigtsen , dgutov@yandex.ru, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better >> explanation for the change. > > Would it be good enough to say "about 10" instead? The exact number > is impossible to define, and arguing about it is waste of time and > energy. When in doubt (and we rarely are), we can always ask (and > actually do ask). Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 13:53:39 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2021 18:53:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC5Te-00012h-Rn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:53:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lC5Tc-00012V-U8 for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:53:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lC5TW-0002Ay-DC; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:53:30 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3091 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lC5TP-0000NT-4Y; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:53:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:53:31 +0200 Message-Id: <83czwz974k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <87v9as2d5b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:15:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9as2d5b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , anticrisisg@gmail.com, > 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:15:20 +0200 > > Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen". Yes, "a dozen" would also be good, IMO. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 16 23:12:24 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2021 04:12:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42184 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCECO-0006F3-AS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:12:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCECM-0006Ek-Td for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:12:23 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCECH-0003tT-5k; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:12:17 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lCECF-00050l-Dy; Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:12:15 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 13:06:43 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:12:15 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> It's not about you or one specific case. > > > > I have been accepting patches from users for years, both into Emacs > > proper and into several GNU ELPA packages. > So I think the text should go back to "15" unless Richard has a better > explanation for the change. I can't follow your reasoning. Why is Dmitri's own interpretation of the old wording have to do with this question? It's possible I am mistaken about how people generally interpreted the previous criterion, but one person's interpretation doesn't show that. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 18 01:13:00 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2021 06:13:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCcYd-0005pL-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42990) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCcYb-0005p5-KW for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCcYV-0005fo-GG; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:51 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lCcYQ-0006gc-G9; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:46 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <87v9as2d5b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:15:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9as2d5b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:46 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen". "a dozen or so" could be good. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 18 09:08:41 2021 Received: (at 44834) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2021 14:08:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46459 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCjyz-0007UL-MK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:08:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lCjyw-0007U7-Sq for 44834@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:08:39 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41994) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lCjyr-0004zb-FM; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:08:33 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3219 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lCjyV-0004RC-LZ; Thu, 18 Feb 2021 09:08:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:08:25 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfbl5uzq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:46 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#44834: Fix for failing indentation of Tcl procs nested in namespace References: <87sg8zk4lj.fsf@precedence.co.uk> <87k0rzatbp.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mo85t6.fsf@gnus.org> <8735y7nk9z.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7mlk5re.fsf@gnus.org> <8335y5l059.fsf@gnu.org> <837dngj6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ayhdn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnvdvh1y.fsf@gnus.org> <96c6642f-8e2b-e77f-7b92-2fb57fd62d3d@yandex.ru> <520b0008-4e88-1509-bc78-607c7c5747cf@yandex.ru> <87sg5wxlm4.fsf@gnus.org> <835z2s9g5i.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9as2d5b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44834 Cc: anticrisisg@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, anticrisisg@gmail.com, > 44834@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 01:12:46 -0500 > > > Or for a number between 10 and 15 - "a dozen". > > "a dozen or so" could be good. Thanks, I made that change. 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