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Sun, 08 Nov 2020 10:15:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 04:15:50 -0500 From: Boruch Baum To: Emacs Bug Reporting Subject: default value of file-name-coding-system Message-ID: <20201108091550.lqomueilkbxxhcl7@E15-2016.optimum.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:kRTxef3Wik3ZdypOaOqZheqENu4l4SQctXjTiWZE///E64zab11 y0/recPvY3McIyfivlgYVmuAzkm+e3f1HsLnH0LW4GOU7fGnx6O6r2PryTStAaDLwMLMe0Z 3+Z5jxYW70yf3O4LAtQm+ACKWIkkfL4PULfQqB2+nex0N5FFhKJXX4xtv1jzbG4PR3yxmgb kEXjBpqdkGAGgg2xfn+ww== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:w9HegDSVZAA=:arogiRza836SbNxN73gvXV yN27+uJRA+zKhGzkb1uc9hIGjpXrJsLfDIx/DrKe2dLmhArT9dulMfaVWCpgTYODKCuB8xkUx Fy4vj6/ZM91G8PuiCk5wWsVbAf2sDZtOisXiD/wLFsifb3Skxis9XvNycuM6lOLReRPjA7ckc 7fOj2JhzqY/W0naX3A5U3oq9w/TNi+yBk/T6GDXtfW9OyWMLP2o/4Spq78iuF35CxhVyYgvQB GvjFPGYKSX/6zDCwrI2XnfXwO2sAVsH7lKTMVc1xJpLDuGNoM+NPBwKjetwEs/knWGkehd1lm oXumst7V3dyHwoz7XJBAZfYZyQ4+fBP1j/9VisET7ufQr1ezzCwC3F5f2pj3xQRGBNW/XXOkP ojkc/v5hCANu/RNerVO0j3TJZurBNNFXHa8fB9W6VlCANQmT3EZ8SWxY+mah3b+5zl+uNC38d 23gCcP7COZEfZfBHMTmX4a63w6kHu7h4KMNNAKqA8Hcbg54cfIOpyhhl1G9AmhRNugidobAgA hQLXI3TKpOhMo4zt1wEK/lmGO8l1ya/RaPzCbN7yYSArEgQClWHdJjl9SISFx7GF9sk8L3vq+ C3JjCmQImVheJeXRXxa3gv41vQt7WcrqAjEOxhU+cSC1mFO2qjqwQmbLqIrrB4jCUyT6SDLPX MBNU+FraUVTjGaaU5YQWbEhSyyO9+p1ThKyhpmkRdVVNSXg+Y5K6fJrHucMU1DHMsCQRHzE2s KGG9E4P0+th5BELqcQBBge/mRAq14jKz/Fl/07s2WC7oI4UCen4HhJ+4zkg8KN3XsYB7+uuCS BpC+KyAWXGLPLrBaWrruO85oQtg1oj1XEcCSJs3eGQwESm2MKfcshbJRyYhlqo/nApzIk8oYE dgPR3YM9Fryrm+Lg9BgQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=boruch_baum@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/08 04:12:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Shouldn't emacs ship with the default value of variable file-name-coding-system being equal to that of the default value of default-file-name-coding-system? file-name-coding-system =3D> nil (default-value file-name-coding-system) =3D> nil default-file-name-coding-system =3D> utf-8-unix ref: thread on emacs-devel list "fixing url-unhex-string for unicode/multi-byte charsets" ~November 6, 2020. =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 08 06:29:21 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2020 11:29:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59828 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kbisq-0006dI-S7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 06:29:21 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46734) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kbisp-0006dA-3H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 06:29:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbiso-0004Y8-DG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 06:29:18 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48130) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbisn-0004PD-TU; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 06:29:17 -0500 Received: from [2a02:14f:80:78ff::1] (port=42934) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kbism-00078G-N9; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 06:29:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 13:29:13 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20201108091550.lqomueilkbxxhcl7@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20201108091550.lqomueilkbxxhcl7@E15-2016.optimum.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#44513: default value of file-name-coding-system To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Boruch Baum , 44513@debbugs.gnu.org From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: <92897EE1-AEF0-4E4C-A66B-12DCF3843CAF@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On November 8, 2020 11:15:50 AM GMT+02:00, Boruch Baum wrote: > Shouldn't emacs ship with the default value of variable > file-name-coding-system being equal to that of the default value of > default-file-name-coding-system? >=20 > file-name-coding-system =3D> nil > (default-value file-name-coding-system) =3D> nil > default-file-name-coding-system =3D> utf-8-unix These are 2 separate variables, see the doc string of default-file-name-co= ding-system=2E One is for the user to set, thus nil by default, the other = is what Emacs thinks should be the OS default=2E They are separate because= Unix filesystems traditionally treat file names as byte streams, without i= mposing any encoding restrictions on them=2E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 08 07:27:25 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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envelope-from=boruch_baum@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/08 07:27:14 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 44513@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) On 2020-11-08 13:29, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > On November 8, 2020 11:15:50 AM GMT+02:00, Boruch Baum wrote: > > Shouldn't emacs ship with the default value of variable > > file-name-coding-system being equal to that of the default value of > > default-file-name-coding-system? > > > > file-name-coding-system =3D> nil > > (default-value file-name-coding-system) =3D> nil > > default-file-name-coding-system =3D> utf-8-unix > > These are 2 separate variables, see the doc string of default-file-name-= coding-system. One is for the user to set, thus nil by default, the other= is what Emacs thinks should be the OS default. They are separate because= Unix filesystems traditionally treat file names as byte streams, without = imposing any encoding restrictions on them. I'm proposing that even the one that's 'for the user to set' should have a sane default. I'm a user, and it never occurred to me I needed to set that variable (among all the other emacs variables begging a customization). What percentage of users do you think install emacs and on their own initiative say, "Of course, I now need to set file-name-coding-system". If so, maybe it should be part of the official emacs tutorial (sarcasm)? =2D- hkp://keys.gnupg.net CA45 09B5 5351 7C11 A9D1 7286 0036 9E45 1595 8BC0 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 08 07:58:26 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2020 12:58:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59948 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kbkH3-0002Vc-L5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 07:58:25 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kbkGz-0002VS-JV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 07:58:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39316) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbkGz-0006us-9t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 07:58:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48588) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kbkGy-0000JG-Qp; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 07:58:20 -0500 Received: from [2a02:14f:80:78ff::1] (port=43116) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kbkGx-0007LG-PX; Sun, 08 Nov 2020 07:58:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2020 14:58:17 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20201108122703.amq5doup7kzourwj@E15-2016.optimum.net> References: <20201108091550.lqomueilkbxxhcl7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <92897EE1-AEF0-4E4C-A66B-12DCF3843CAF@gnu.org> <20201108122703.amq5doup7kzourwj@E15-2016.optimum.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#44513: default value of file-name-coding-system To: Boruch Baum From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: <80FA4C56-8A61-4B0C-87AA-948AC731035C@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 44513@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On November 8, 2020 2:27:03 PM GMT+02:00, Boruch Baum wrote: > On 2020-11-08 13:29, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > On November 8, 2020 11:15:50 AM GMT+02:00, Boruch Baum > wrote: > > > Shouldn't emacs ship with the default value of variable > > > file-name-coding-system being equal to that of the default value > of > > > default-file-name-coding-system? > > > > > > file-name-coding-system =3D> nil > > > (default-value file-name-coding-system) =3D> nil > > > default-file-name-coding-system =3D> utf-8-unix > > > > These are 2 separate variables, see the doc string of > default-file-name-coding-system=2E One is for the user to set, thus nil > by default, the other is what Emacs thinks should be the OS default=2E= =20 > They are separate because Unix filesystems traditionally treat file > names as byte streams, without imposing any encoding restrictions on > them=2E >=20 > I'm proposing that even the one that's 'for the user to set' should > have > a sane default=2E I'm a user, and it never occurred to me I needed to > set > that variable (among all the other emacs variables begging a > customization)=2E What percentage of users do you think install emacs > and > on their own initiative say, "Of course, I now need to set > file-name-coding-system"=2E If so, maybe it should be part of the > official > emacs tutorial (sarcasm)? I completely agree with the sane default requirement=2E Which is why the = default is nil, and why users are not required to set file-name-coding-syst= em: nil does TRT=2E You can see that every day in Emacs if you use non-ASC= II file names, because Emacs encodes every file name it passes to the syste= m APIs=2E The original issue, btw, was not about what users should do, it was about = what Lisp programs processing and interpreting file names should do: they s= hould consult default-file-name-coding-system if the user variable is nil, = as it usually is=2E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 09 10:37:19 2020 Received: (at 44513) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2020 15:37:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35211 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kc9EN-0003NL-B1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 10:37:19 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43162) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kc9EM-0003N6-5C for 44513@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 10:37:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KSBRCy0lwNI2FzSmthX3WvcVwtNzv9mC8aUkhwZXmp0=; b=qFDAcxL2iDCIHb/gdMQj+koEmq vvwgNFDUDJcCK4MKi/NoHMBl0jYNmsIR1tR1cALeK78GNKLN738NVFGf1yEqMGE/xuaTr+yBwgK+c ag7Wm1JDRw05RYNywxq9dRVEuCbRSi+wOeHcTUDKmt87VXBgGHEWg4IHbLXRZXa9FvGM=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kc9EC-0007Pv-I7; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 16:37:12 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#44513: default value of file-name-coding-system References: <20201108091550.lqomueilkbxxhcl7@E15-2016.optimum.net> <92897EE1-AEF0-4E4C-A66B-12DCF3843CAF@gnu.org> <20201108122703.amq5doup7kzourwj@E15-2016.optimum.net> <80FA4C56-8A61-4B0C-87AA-948AC731035C@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Melanie de Biasio's _No Deal_: "Sweet Darling Pain" Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 16:37:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <80FA4C56-8A61-4B0C-87AA-948AC731035C@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 08 Nov 2020 14:58:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87mtzqlexo.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I completely agree with the sane default requirement. Which is why > the default is nil, and why users are not required to set > file-name-coding-system: nil does TRT. 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