From unknown Tue Aug 12 08:33:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper? 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I'm on 27.1 right now on wind= ows and the following code allows me to use the menu key as hyper: (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper) However neither of the lwindows or rwindows versions work. (setq w32-pass-rwindows-to-system nil) (setq w32-rwindows-modifier 'hyper) I'm not sure what key to use for Hyper in general. Ideally it would be some= thing that wouldn't interfere too much with windows or ubuntu desktop short= cut keys, and unfortunately a lot of those use the Win/Super key. Caps_Lock= for that would be nice. Is there a way around this problem? --_000_MWHPR13MB1758818E6C3343A4842DD08AA3EF0MWHPR13MB1758namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Apparently this is a known issue for a while. I'm on 27.1 right now on wind= ows and the following code allows me to use the menu key as hyper:

(setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil)
(setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper)

However neither of the lwindows or rwindows versions work.

(setq w32-pass-rwindows-to-system nil)
(setq w32-rwindows-modifier 'hyper)

I'm not sure what key to use for Hyper in general. Ideally it would be some= thing that wouldn't interfere too much with windows or ubuntu desktop short= cut keys, and unfortunately a lot of those use the Win/Super key. Caps_Lock= for that would be nice. Is there a way around this problem?


--_000_MWHPR13MB1758818E6C3343A4842DD08AA3EF0MWHPR13MB1758namp_-- From unknown Tue Aug 12 08:33:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper? Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 13:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44456 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Steve Greenburg Cc: 44456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44456.16045833193288 (code B ref 44456); Thu, 05 Nov 2020 13:36:02 +0000 Received: (at 44456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2020 13:35:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kafQ6-0000qt-QL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 08:35:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56760) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kafQ4-0000qZ-6b; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 08:35:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kafPy-0001y3-Ou; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 08:35:10 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1683 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kafPu-0004T4-9a; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 08:35:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 15:35:03 +0200 Message-Id: <83a6vwapvc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Steve Greenburg on Wed, 4 Nov 2020 21:44:37 +0000) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 44456 notabug thanks > From: Steve Greenburg > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 21:44:37 +0000 > > Apparently this is a known issue for a while. I'm on 27.1 right now on windows and the following code allows > me to use the menu key as hyper: > > (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) > (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper) > > However neither of the lwindows or rwindows versions work. > > (setq w32-pass-rwindows-to-system nil) > (setq w32-rwindows-modifier 'hyper) On Windows 10 you must also use w32-register-hot-key, or the above won't work. Read all about this in the node "Windows Keyboard" of the Emacs user manual, which also shows a couple of examples. There's no bug here, AFAICT. From unknown Tue Aug 12 08:33:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper? Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 16:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44456 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Steve Greenburg Cc: 44456@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44456-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44456.1604595296590 (code B ref 44456); Thu, 05 Nov 2020 16:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 44456) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2020 16:54:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kaiXH-00009S-Ue for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:54:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49990) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kaiXG-00009G-3i for 44456@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:54:54 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kaiXA-0005WE-Eh; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:54:48 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2323 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kaiX9-0003dv-O8; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:54:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 18:54:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfffagmi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Steve Greenburg on Thu, 5 Nov 2020 16:48:12 +0000) References: , <83a6vwapvc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Steve Greenburg > CC: "44456@debbugs.gnu.org" <44456@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 16:48:12 +0000 > > I believe it's still a bug because I can't get the left windows key to function as hyper without first making it > function as super. Thus if I execute the following code I get nothing: > > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (w32-register-hot-key [h-]) The Hyper modifier is [H-], not [h-]. Does H- work for you? From unknown Tue Aug 12 08:33:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper? 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Thread-Index: AQHWsvM4XJ87MAHN60+tKemOFyyymKm5ixTUgAA1a0s= Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 16:48:12 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <83a6vwapvc.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83a6vwapvc.fsf@gnu.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:20C6D5C8CDC7D99761E12E9BD1C25B27C39D476DE0128476E40760BDF73E7FC1; UpperCasedChecksum:D2703C59D16AE72A5333604C1B7A58951B3204CC33C4A94A71EFABACD1731C44; SizeAsReceived:6946; Count:45 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [NLhs5g05rRdWaCx9aKAicn5VuBc2WOd4] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 8635dc36-305d-4e31-7577-08d881aa959a x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN8NAM12HT221: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: WOQc866eFZib8qgoZGUMZseKOY6qB8b7C2Fc9K2y+02USdejSaxT5jh8RCQISNznaqYHWjNO5z1x6Rv/WY4V3FlZMftyR0LW6mhwlVvsI/+wTj/LMz0okVV1SxHjldmHb4XUa6ZxwqlPibhms1DpCXgTeRqcILSVzOyWbVMLr8fW1KTeqSjdKz50Yx8SKsv02DLccxvwV3qSpSC5ghBj+g== x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: jWgQUcBoJ8RVxLFw6dI9DGXPmliA7Pjf+/G/pJBwK6+Zi+qk2DxFDTNIFCvgxIWuV2gAbYo8KXtUQJprpRwD6kshmY20ORHptsMNU1jE2xHOBbkJkh828rJO2r5+YTwBvF/oyW0pmelX0EpjuMpAtg== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MWHPR13MB1758FCCF5B9F00DA84FA8C74A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BN8NAM12FT065.eop-nam12.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8635dc36-305d-4e31-7577-08d881aa959a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Nov 2020 16:48:12.6506 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN8NAM12HT221 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:58:08 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --_000_MWHPR13MB1758FCCF5B9F00DA84FA8C74A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe it's still a bug because I can't get the left windows key to func= tion as hyper without first making it function as super. Thus if I execute = the following code I get nothing: (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) (w32-register-hot-key [h-]) but if I execute the following code first then the above I do get left wind= ows behaving as Hyper. (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'super) (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) (w32-register-hot-key [s-]) --_000_MWHPR13MB1758FCCF5B9F00DA84FA8C74A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe it's still a bug because I can't ge= t the left windows key to function as hyper without first making it functio= n as super. Thus if I execute the following code I get nothing:

(setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper)
(setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil)
(w32-register-hot-key [h-])

but if I execute the following code first then the above I do get left wind= ows behaving as Hyper.

(setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'super)
(setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil)
(w32-register-hot-key [s-])

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Thread-Index: AQHWsvM4XJ87MAHN60+tKemOFyyymKm5ixTUgAA1a0uAAAJaH4AAAqGR Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 17:05:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: , <83a6vwapvc.fsf@gnu.org> , <83lfffagmi.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83lfffagmi.fsf@gnu.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:EAF1FB68BBD58AEBEB3D32B0FFB421EF906CFC89A249AE5991A96520AA567828; UpperCasedChecksum:A3CABDA64E795505DEDFE6E950FEA3F104E091529557C4E1547D689BC6964D6B; SizeAsReceived:7066; Count:45 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [g1GDGvqar8sPjOgtM4d53b7tZdjL37JG] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 52600faf-7114-4a09-eb54-08d881acf428 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN8NAM12HT155: x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: BDzAWihT9Zz0uzfTDBoyhaHdLfWyVoIGQ/BWjjBfKSqemIvOOybvI0hhA1ddQiP1BHouq0lEXcjKfGB0puXYwAuttgOIbX+yKFOSLzWiwNVOChzAx5+wNZ7ykghhK+wzOA4JjKZgC2/GUHzLcTOOKT6hAGX9B3r+vvSR5CTCzZh2N8SHbnlsYdOoPefGhKIJvFFJQOONmDaYmGwqba1iHg== x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: e1APwL9Pn1kNfGk5s8MpsSh+cJ1yIJXmFs0yjlM2YDqw/Awux2h3WWsp4OfHGdAwdJgUl7v/nxGXiSIMItMRSR2TI6e7woBgg+p1wldVgShRmMChUpoYhqxbUyAUc2kRsgCEtqR6NF148q0KCdIjjg== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MWHPR13MB1758454734DDAFCC9F494DC9A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BN8NAM12FT036.eop-nam12.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 52600faf-7114-4a09-eb54-08d881acf428 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Nov 2020 17:05:10.3115 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN8NAM12HT155 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --_000_MWHPR13MB1758454734DDAFCC9F494DC9A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The documentation for w32-register-hotkey says it is [h-] so I used that. U= sing [H-] does work as long as I change the variable before calling w32-reg= ister-hot-key like so: (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) (w32-register-hot-key [H-]) (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) Thanks. ________________________________ From: Eli Zaretskii Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:54 PM To: Steve Greenburg Cc: 44456@debbugs.gnu.org <44456@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hype= r? > From: Steve Greenburg > CC: "44456@debbugs.gnu.org" <44456@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 16:48:12 +0000 > > I believe it's still a bug because I can't get the left windows key to fu= nction as hyper without first making it > function as super. Thus if I execute the following code I get nothing: > > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) > (w32-register-hot-key [h-]) The Hyper modifier is [H-], not [h-]. Does H- work for you? --_000_MWHPR13MB1758454734DDAFCC9F494DC9A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The documentation for w32-register-hotkey says it is [h-] so I used that. U= sing [H-] does work as long as I change the variable before calling w32-reg= ister-hot-key like so:

(setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper)
(w32-register-hot-key [H-])
(setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil)

Thanks.

From: Eli Zaretskii <e= liz@gnu.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:54 PM
To: Steve Greenburg <beethoven3322@hotmail.com>
Cc: 44456@debbugs.gnu.org <44456@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys = as hyper?
 
> From: Steve Greenburg <beethoven3322@hotma= il.com>
> CC: "44456@debbugs.gnu.org" <44456@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 16:48:12 +0000
>
> I believe it's still a bug because I can't get the left windows key to= function as hyper without first making it
> function as super. Thus if I execute the following code I get nothing:=
>
> (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper)
> (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil)
> (w32-register-hot-key [h-])

The Hyper modifier is [H-], not [h-].  Does H- work for you?
--_000_MWHPR13MB1758454734DDAFCC9F494DC9A3EE0MWHPR13MB1758namp_-- From unknown Tue Aug 12 08:33:55 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Steve Greenburg Subject: bug#44456: closed (Re: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper?) Message-ID: References: <83k0uzae61.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 44456 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: notabug Reply-To: 44456@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 17:49:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1604598542-5762-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1604598542-5762-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper? which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 44456@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 44456: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D44456 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1604598542-5762-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 44456-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2020 17:48:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kajMe-0001Sv-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 12:48:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33400) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kajMc-0001Sj-MW for 44456-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 12:47:59 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kajMX-0004Cz-6m; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 12:47:53 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1615 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kajMW-0000LZ-Ic; Thu, 05 Nov 2020 12:47:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 19:47:50 +0200 Message-Id: <83k0uzae61.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Steve Greenburg In-Reply-To: (message from Steve Greenburg on Thu, 5 Nov 2020 17:05:10 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#44456: Windows10 doesn't allow either windows keys as hyper? References: , <83a6vwapvc.fsf@gnu.org> , <83lfffagmi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44456-done Cc: 44456-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Steve Greenburg > CC: "44456@debbugs.gnu.org" <44456@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 17:05:10 +0000 > > The documentation for w32-register-hotkey says it is [h-] so I used > that. I fixed the documentation, thanks. > Using [H-] does work as long as I > change the variable before calling w32-register-hot-key like so: > > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) > (w32-register-hot-key [H-]) > (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil) That's okay, the manual and the doc string indeed say this should be the order: first set w32-l/rwindow-modifier, then call w32-register-hot-key. 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I'm on 27.1 right now on wind= ows and the following code allows me to use the menu key as hyper: (setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil) (setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper) However neither of the lwindows or rwindows versions work. (setq w32-pass-rwindows-to-system nil) (setq w32-rwindows-modifier 'hyper) I'm not sure what key to use for Hyper in general. Ideally it would be some= thing that wouldn't interfere too much with windows or ubuntu desktop short= cut keys, and unfortunately a lot of those use the Win/Super key. Caps_Lock= for that would be nice. Is there a way around this problem? --_000_MWHPR13MB1758818E6C3343A4842DD08AA3EF0MWHPR13MB1758namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Apparently this is a known issue for a while. I'm on 27.1 right now on wind= ows and the following code allows me to use the menu key as hyper:

(setq w32-pass-apps-to-system nil)
(setq w32-apps-modifier 'hyper)

However neither of the lwindows or rwindows versions work.

(setq w32-pass-rwindows-to-system nil)
(setq w32-rwindows-modifier 'hyper)

I'm not sure what key to use for Hyper in general. Ideally it would be some= thing that wouldn't interfere too much with windows or ubuntu desktop short= cut keys, and unfortunately a lot of those use the Win/Super key. Caps_Lock= for that would be nice. Is there a way around this problem?


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