From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:14:35 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#44334 <44334@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#44334 <44334@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer Reply-To: bug#44334 <44334@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:14:35 +0000 retitle 44334 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for = xxx* buffer reassign 44334 emacs submitter 44334 Xu Chunyang severity 44334 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 14:02:23 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 18:02:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59624 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYjG-00031c-Ru for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:02:23 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYjF-00031V-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:02:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43988) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYjF-0004Nk-Ap for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:02:21 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::234]:33052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYjD-0004Jk-KJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:02:20 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id m8so1792097ljj.0 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=to3kfzj/uG76ur4ZDjI+nKzTCwE5CzRAiY0+sOgEumY=; b=EhpmA0HSHqIssvHFP1BZyrLkWfWQWyMWDdToqJIzHTKvWq6CRB3OG06UWuJ4NnC9gm EvoWjwB1WJ0KKjzCbyFt7gqnyTFftjdxsvIaJgFyNXgpKl0TwtPBJ12lpKX5S6SLA8sW CpjPpWJ5l9xmtNyx2ML9yuwypmjzBmVOdyiYmfI+DqPuRXl6NmZB64QGIRKwIbd1rvle sDnTy0RKTJGDlhdlDp69Zh4Y1HA1Pkf8WG0STmYcVCMhwT+KsoXHuLpr8x+EhK7OBEGS XBwrQY7G7OMYLunjCcQu6pTjwu1djcA+3ICtE38ZWd3bL09RWqsts5iPcUH/7CtABKFP hkaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=to3kfzj/uG76ur4ZDjI+nKzTCwE5CzRAiY0+sOgEumY=; b=fmRLvJlVZOg4vLcRYOXlUtWeRfB1RufJfK2JcGwDfmoHs4GqlotBVT/MN7uvVBMDW9 /1MmzamjZOo1mfmhNhWA6tNBI9wHVhZdKAl1027mu0mNbdstbmvB1lovQCgaJ4Vzixqp QsNA+A/VwfyoPpJ+uRIFAoHkXFrHT3s1MzrJanVuXwO1JuXBqKUzkfgB0S1kdSkSTrtE H/XwVbyTiY6xFK3BXKN5BE9Ttg0Ojm6Y+BG3bC96unMny5yLwFBz4wMNLZahHjQSzL+f CJd8yQaCtaEybEaO6pNN9DM1gUq31aEYQSaSsTz6MtkYhWLoCiGuw+wrPTBuxVi4rMd5 deDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533w0zCoUH5KYUp2d1/XbiwrNiJ5vALA9QvALkhVUCfnJzpaXnHk 1ZLlCfWnXxBApOvMbXGBJueF3epZpgdzDiF6qAjkRNvF15f/vkOs X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwLquD62PtqkJnRkKrmBRMokQz0ecNPYMl3X0yBqjTvrZW8K/fyKD17rSKbaXa58nn/e9Pf/c5tAP0nQn5lhHk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9c84:: with SMTP id x4mr1572486lji.326.1604080936882; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:02:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Xu Chunyang Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 02:02:05 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::234; envelope-from=xuchunyang56@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x234.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) With eldoc-mode, a buffer like *eldoc for setq* is created and updated all the time, is it possible to stop it? since I don't need the buffer at all. If the buffer must be created, maybe make it uninteresting by prefixing the buffer name with a space. I've tried the following which does not work. (remove-hook 'eldoc-display-functions #'eldoc-display-in-buffer) In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894.60 Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H2)) of 2020-10-30 built on mac.lan Repository revision: 3e63213a1fef16ffe38a5024a83d8782e98aabe1 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1894 System Description: Mac OS X 10.15.7 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 14:09:51 2020 Received: (at 44334) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 18:09:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59634 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYqU-0003CS-QI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:09:50 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50]:56194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYqS-0003CE-KO for 44334@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:09:48 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id c9so2140325wml.5 for <44334@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tcd-ie.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C4OoQuS89sfcHGAZBhfV3GZA3P7SEOMVp/L2F5PaOJs=; b=etvM/7QolIjoUH4rtmKT/fVmkrdlaFdNJxAhV/jHXzM5npLDR0TUTRrVP+jt/rkaAP 8kYXgOTr6L4ff8tGIHLUGmwvuuChKtHkb/cmoevu5zumNZEGbsAeEPj+a0OnwqfYBbuv cykb0D9lhklJJNh55SUfZi7KNoN/T8/6CqHG3Ou6KVBMhfAWfjyj18yeE79N+ts8O+B5 FIrXh83Sqgc4dqPP7sdcJpEMdFJE1UCVhMQ56rqWRfUJhFkqkM0nIB+dRa2HN6piHjkb giM2vl/mOeEBdeKNZ1Vzgadeqb1COwKZkWmsG7FOZzDF9FDkQ+iNuZF4FlYIgPZXGWIK GsEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C4OoQuS89sfcHGAZBhfV3GZA3P7SEOMVp/L2F5PaOJs=; b=TJDW0iHDOckIGgZHf2zevwvGJGWhOs45Q6WfzGI9KA7mA6xGhtzEB7YlHVjJ0wXXzH m5bF0euWMO+oPFMC7NEIjHKj3JECzZRFqr8pn4SnSOzQeHeZmW9pT6OIFuIyw6J4askd 1LMcYMzuH0m44oZP7l8+Y6G1qyx5Wa9ix6NMdY6HtGiIa6BRYkBc+m9qKbU2DfVi/B6D Y+uMjAVk1ec7pqzRwwGqnjYXObxqU7Ktw1pIUjjgxAH1Ly990aLABy4+I3YqxJ1UA/yr xDKdq7Wb06n9Lm2W37LAPEDMuClz+XUkOzVSTEMH5a0DSIcjIHZ+Cg684FNOryjMJ0Zv qp+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ty+ymmXfpDGJiPDBIa4jJualHwgrjmH/8CR051WrqzDMxbHsJ pSfTtS6L5dUxBXjb560LyDVP8A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx6orsBzoquNcjoPRGJWwxGAo5gjZKcBrQ05UJ1A7nCD7yvyZUbj8ObKfMUbsbotP5Xl4XOEg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:4442:: with SMTP id r63mr3911042wma.109.1604081382830; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([2a02:8084:20e2:c380:92bd:1bfd:38fc:fae2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l8sm11762438wrn.28.2020.10.30.11.09.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" To: Xu Chunyang Subject: Re: bug#44334: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer References: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:09:41 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Xu Chunyang's message of "Sat, 31 Oct 2020 02:02:05 +0800") Message-ID: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44334 Cc: 44334@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Xu Chunyang writes: > With eldoc-mode, a buffer like *eldoc for setq* is created and updated > all the time, is it possible to stop it? since I don't need the > buffer at all. If the buffer must be created, maybe make it uninteresting= by > prefixing the buffer name with a space. I would also like to avoid the presence of this buffer if possible, as was the case in emacs-27. CCing Jo=C3=A3o :). Thanks, --=20 Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 14:13:20 2020 Received: (at 44334) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 18:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYts-0003Hd-9R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:13:20 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com ([209.85.166.53]:41751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYYtr-0003HR-6H for 44334@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:13:19 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id u62so8449286iod.8 for <44334@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:13:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=8GPxvh6AXGRAWUGi0BaM0uMz9ZAXRNlet5M1a70uq5E=; b=JsqKcJ3aiXPc9WHGZrRPzj+7vcyjfOJs7FNsS3navNKVhDPjJYhsKcUrMKfPodiXK1 DHdQKkiIMP6Zwx3z7HS2RvPUkXhet1cwwunft1//RBqbA/26tfscDEObdZzqGqWlXlok ZKCrRGrh5fufollU40Ks64Iww2/LueYIHki7JiJXi2fHHbNq4542Lp7sz66ZieLRSmna Yjb7Qx4ChqeeBguLdsEQ0TH0rztrPQyl64p8IiWnhQ9Q1k3F9RyzJealYLZ0ugHtB4Kk JOCJe7lCSnp+UaSGZeOgGg/HAYdYWH2NcfX0jJNXpUlBhbF1wkrKhnxsahiI0TGEytuM oTJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=8GPxvh6AXGRAWUGi0BaM0uMz9ZAXRNlet5M1a70uq5E=; b=GCpcweSeTaH0lcdm0zLEZ7lkt/39/iLHoTLUyEdiEivm9qDKGvNgRjCrAJR5dLDMqW JKjnyZgetduvDvQ+PKZ86AxgSDBEVN8PWKgAzA3ECILJyn3g0RYMGh/0qEcmkE0at+cS mXzugBMVwHk0H1YbZ7r62qude8DbcE0gi4S7Q1789uyNpm+/LMABx7R8EBz4PiAW8JaC VkVskOWSDA3DLuennC9qVeOYo+f/RUPydZFYfjsgrk1qjOhXUiMaMyNsI6nNvLa0LFVv A5KyK50FXd8AQ8CbVESFEDiRxUlX8c1ZKXl4cma3VhEjaqA3sPjWQzHG3kTJSmWnf0Yq m1/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ClGIRn4IDBHCipRpqM5crlwJI3RwB7BwY4qsUtycjASJzKX49 YlouO25AS0SQ3gru4zsM3T8BhaDJl6GcDirt3Rw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxrggMAO0+1BHCdQzf2wYwmwKD6IHQWWLV87TnZC1b6P18j44uLaroCb0+Pqa9B7zRRQJjMmphjTuVl9jyjbOs= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:6b18:: with SMTP id g24mr2809454ioc.138.1604081593676; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:13:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:13:02 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#44334: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094f91d05b2e75942" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44334 Cc: 44334@debbugs.gnu.org, Xu Chunyang X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000094f91d05b2e75942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The buffer is an implementation detail for the member of eldoc-display-functions that writes to the echo area, so it's hard to do away with. However, it should be reasonably easy to "hide it", as Xu suggests, by prefixing its name with a space. The the eldoc-display-in-eldoc-buffer display function just renames it to not have that space, promoting it to visible. Thanks for CC'ing me, Jo=C3=A3o On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:09 PM Basil L. Contovounesios wrote: > Xu Chunyang writes: > > > With eldoc-mode, a buffer like *eldoc for setq* is created and updated > > all the time, is it possible to stop it? since I don't need the > > buffer at all. If the buffer must be created, maybe make it > uninteresting by > > prefixing the buffer name with a space. > > I would also like to avoid the presence of this buffer if possible, > as was the case in emacs-27. CCing Jo=C3=A3o :). > > Thanks, > > -- > Basil > --=20 Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora --00000000000094f91d05b2e75942 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

The buffer is an impleme= ntation detail for the member of
eldoc-display-functions tha= t writes to the echo area,
so it's hard to do away with.=C2= =A0 However, it should be reasonably
easy to "hide it&q= uot;, as Xu suggests, by prefixing its name with a
space. The the= eldoc-display-in-eldoc-buffer display function
just renames it t= o not have that space, promoting it
to visible.
Thanks for CC'ing me,
Jo=C3=A3o

On= Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 6:09 PM Basil L. Contovounesios <contovob@tcd.ie> wrote:
Xu Chunyang <xuchunyang56@gmail.com> writes:
> With eldoc-mode, a buffer like *eldoc for setq* is created and updated=
> all the time, is it possible to stop it? since I don't need the > buffer at all. If the buffer must be created, maybe make it uninterest= ing by
> prefixing the buffer name with a space.

I would also like to avoid the presence of this buffer if possible,
as was the case in emacs-27.=C2=A0 CCing Jo=C3=A3o :).

Thanks,

--
Basil


--
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Contovounesios" To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Subject: Re: bug#44334: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer References: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:36:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora=22's?= message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:13:02 +0000") Message-ID: <87mu03k1d0.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44334 Cc: 44334@debbugs.gnu.org, Xu Chunyang X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > The buffer is an implementation detail for the member of=20 > eldoc-display-functions that writes to the echo area, > so it's hard to do away with. However, it should be reasonably=20 > easy to "hide it", as Xu suggests, by prefixing its name with a > space. The the eldoc-display-in-eldoc-buffer display function > just renames it to not have that space, promoting it=20 > to visible. So the space-prefixed buffer name can (should?) be the default? Thanks, --=20 Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 14:39:43 2020 Received: (at 44334) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 18:39:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59717 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYZJP-00040z-Hw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:39:43 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com ([209.85.221.49]:46410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYZJM-00040l-UX for 44334@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:39:41 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id k10so6200844wrw.13 for <44334@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:39:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CF1De5HesZJrpvV2d9xd0d+coZ7k3eV2O1ChAqC2wsI=; b=eaD9kskDggcBkPSsRLf6LU6U3xShqLMWi4JPFLJMFxSmPhvLvx80Ds2RSw/VYE8sQQ d2BDo9C/0qeF5kh1DAibWSBMZZHhEI0xyM2XvsOakrxIs5v2sg6RS7sYlCPJEiQoijSg feDRVaqFeOc3aHrCnxA0OhZEDztUPgfaQDnn0fAKwVsHcDYIlSN7Za6p0oZFfGqeXaoV WETSwqB48YGsBC/jAf2ICrMULSqsuJ+DX70VmOybqXJZdyZABPgvABh4x0qhCI4OsQEf k2cGgawhy0OZX3mC74ZqKh9P5tA/QkiDo/ln4H6aefpeabFkz0g7tLMik7s6Q0hZVjKP hSEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CF1De5HesZJrpvV2d9xd0d+coZ7k3eV2O1ChAqC2wsI=; b=LODK3CnE8HWAaYktFTyVgclGloImsIEvko9vWqj7a32ReG5pUkj/Gk0XnfJNrVuH3q K70wMcw6W43mFCyjD7AGzME7HXvoKoAoWfhO0pgsu0x3XazNZf8Q9zNIAZ61YLmE4XER /7yGv33GQoeZPujjWUxKYakqAj5g/Hqk06MFcAC4bs71QZsE2IT8FRdCotcOkg+9Iw1r cwdgQbkl/d9s5vU9fIXGmQJO4UO6c8cI3EzVmA7VaMbeITFoqxBlmeybHMFj+QZB7c2A 4eQ5fmaBJieucLyP9wTcz3brjTIkDcm8HAiVVmR8LNAOXdSFWE9IECxShWSruzQWMEoV eHaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532elyRh3kRjFdKz52y55TglTnY6sUyL+eXftAVgfp0Bu8CxHE6S +Ksvko02rEBrF4OYJHTSQNdFiak6GwU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxTe6aa+KutZPwzRuKMgPpL2mAzs4Exbgu8nwwQrT5bE5LCLLvwvILgl4Kvs+/nAV4uzMFiuQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f6cc:: with SMTP id y12mr4894240wrp.107.1604083175009; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krug ([89.180.150.214]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f2sm10482938wre.63.2020.10.30.11.39.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Subject: Re: bug#44334: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer References: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> <87mu03k1d0.fsf@tcd.ie> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:39:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87mu03k1d0.fsf@tcd.ie> (Basil L. Contovounesios's message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:36:11 +0000") Message-ID: <871rhfzhgc.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44334 Cc: 44334@debbugs.gnu.org, Xu Chunyang X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Basil L. Contovounesios" writes: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > >> The buffer is an implementation detail for the member of=20 >> eldoc-display-functions that writes to the echo area, >> so it's hard to do away with. However, it should be reasonably=20 >> easy to "hide it", as Xu suggests, by prefixing its name with a >> space. The the eldoc-display-in-eldoc-buffer display function >> just renames it to not have that space, promoting it=20 >> to visible. > > So the space-prefixed buffer name can (should?) be the default? Yes. Or rather: by default, if you just use ElDoc like you always did in Emacs <28, that buffer shouldn't be bothering you. I'll see what the best implementation for doing that is, but I do suspect it's hiding it with a space prefix in the buffer name. 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Contovounesios" Subject: Re: bug#44334: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer References: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> <87mu03k1d0.fsf@tcd.ie> <871rhfzhgc.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 22:40:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: <871rhfzhgc.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vor?= =?utf-8?Q?a=22's?= message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:39:31 +0000") Message-ID: <87k0v7xrq4.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44334-done Cc: Xu Chunyang , 44334-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > "Basil L. Contovounesios" writes: > >> Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: >> >>> The buffer is an implementation detail for the member of=20 >>> eldoc-display-functions that writes to the echo area, >>> so it's hard to do away with. However, it should be reasonably=20 >>> easy to "hide it", as Xu suggests, by prefixing its name with a >>> space. The the eldoc-display-in-eldoc-buffer display function >>> just renames it to not have that space, promoting it=20 >>> to visible. >> >> So the space-prefixed buffer name can (should?) be the default? > > Yes. Or rather: by default, if you just use ElDoc like you always did in > Emacs <28, that buffer shouldn't be bothering you. I'll see what the > best implementation for doing that is, but I do suspect it's hiding it > with a space prefix in the buffer name. I just pushed a commit fixing this. Please try it out. The idea is that if you never M-x eldoc or M-x eldoc-doc-buffer, you are never bothered by that buffer. If you do call these commands, the buffer becomes "interesting" and shows in the normal buffer list, until you kill it, after which it re-created in space-prefixed "uninterested" form again. I'm closing this bug, but we could reopen if the problem isn't fixed. 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Contovounesios" To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Subject: Re: bug#44334: 28.0.50; [eldoc] Impossible to avoid creating the *eldoc for xxx* buffer References: <87sg9vk2l6.fsf@tcd.ie> <87mu03k1d0.fsf@tcd.ie> <871rhfzhgc.fsf@gmail.com> <87k0v7xrq4.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 13:08:36 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87k0v7xrq4.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vor?= =?utf-8?Q?a=22's?= message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2020 22:40:35 +0000") Message-ID: <87o8kio84r.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44334 Cc: 44334@debbugs.gnu.org, Xu Chunyang X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > I just pushed a commit fixing this. Please try it out. The idea is that > if you never M-x eldoc or M-x eldoc-doc-buffer, you are never bothered > by that buffer. If you do call these commands, the buffer becomes > "interesting" and shows in the normal buffer list, until you kill it, > after which it re-created in space-prefixed "uninterested" form again. Looks good, thanks for the quick fix. --=20 Basil From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:14:35 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator