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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/30 10:09:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) "Return true if PREDICATE is true of any element of SEQ or SEQs. If so, return the true (non-nil) value returned by PREDICATE." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The second sentence is meaningless/underspecified. If the function stops as soon as it finds the first element for which PREDICATE is true then the doc should say that it returns the value returned by PREDICATE _for that element_. Without specifying, in some way, for which element the application of PREDICATE returns non-nil, "the value returned by PREDICATE" has no meaning. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 01 07:56:36 2020 Received: (at 44330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2020 12:56:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35905 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZCuS-0003iL-L1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 07:56:36 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZCuP-0003hz-Vc for 44330@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 07:56:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mrnjbITwBFXKBQ+LfcXLc9JFXgEIMOgF0CdS+xp3alc=; b=fxZIzmM/loG749cz15Ur5ncamU Nr5Qhf+mhed/la8hw6Y2Pj4uQ+YOs8KAPHBiyw5kcVw3Z3sx2xus5gFRT0KUiM80sHBOsV6zYavJu dxOD9hMZuIx8W3/vIurJn/ef2ZFSyHdJHdQgnvelptVTvkSwgx5ZXc3pJAmCy+SOawSk=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kZCuH-00007N-6K; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 13:56:27 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#44330: 26.3; doc string of `cl-some' References: <0276f23e-6b26-431a-b1fa-25fe5ddb8fe6@default> X-Now-Playing: A Certain Ratio's _Loco_: "Family" Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 13:56:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0276f23e-6b26-431a-b1fa-25fe5ddb8fe6@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 30 Oct 2020 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87361tdymf.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > "Return true if PREDICATE is true of any element of SEQ or SEQs. > If so, return the true (non-nil) value returned by PREDICATE." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > The second sentence is meaningless [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44330 Cc: 44330@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > "Return true if PREDICATE is true of any element of SEQ or SEQs. > If so, return the true (non-nil) value returned by PREDICATE." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > The second sentence is meaningless/underspecified. If the function > stops as soon as it finds the first element for which PREDICATE is > true then the doc should say that it returns the value returned by > PREDICATE _for that element_. > > Without specifying, in some way, for which element the application of > PREDICATE returns non-nil, "the value returned by PREDICATE" has no > meaning. I've now clarified the doc string here in Emacs 28. 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Contovounesios" To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#44330: 26.3; doc string of `cl-some' References: <0276f23e-6b26-431a-b1fa-25fe5ddb8fe6@default> <87361tdymf.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:17:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87361tdymf.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 01 Nov 2020 13:56:24 +0100") Message-ID: <87pn4xc7yy.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44330 Cc: 44330@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I've now clarified the doc string here in Emacs 28. Why not backport it to emacs-27? Thanks, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 01 12:46:01 2020 Received: (at 44330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2020 17:46:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38403 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZHQW-0003CR-Lw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 12:46:01 -0500 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:42646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZHQU-0003CB-WE for 44330@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 12:45:59 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0A1HdQQE093271; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 17:45:53 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=IjyVNrbVIvy4VtJsA91mE/V/yCw/DgBq73iMdo/paeg=; b=G+28I47E5JsT2r98D3mnCZUJj3La8JXnIOa2x0f90hhBBfKTN2jZV7jErsrQLvoT3N6K I4UJBMj2OmYfNBOdXclS5b5B3sPKbHggEkWC6Hstc1RDhFEz0H2kjhRZtjwFhuEo9DL+ S9js/ujpD8V+xS4p0yZSriKHuvN8Z8DI00ffYxXIYDKHG3I/pN/F+IMweGaBhmSpOwo1 elTvbiVZMKmCrC84u/RwHcD0aTdXxZgw1yzvMT8HDgQKfzOo/07tKuWOfHTUylr2YPVe lm6daSyavPGSX2eG3LH7yu2bSqULcxi/sFP0qsALH13UfUxsqwhVNWpzPX0edBUMtr0n Vw== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34hhb1s9mb-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:45:53 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0A1HeIUB122128; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 17:45:52 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34hw0e5br9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:45:52 +0000 Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0A1Hjpcr013060; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 17:45:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <00b77b5b-90eb-442a-84ed-f0e2d835c798@default> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 09:45:50 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#44330: 26.3; doc string of `cl-some' References: <0276f23e-6b26-431a-b1fa-25fe5ddb8fe6@default> <87361tdymf.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87361tdymf.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9792 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011010146 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9792 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011010146 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44330 Cc: 44330@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > "Return true if PREDICATE is true of any element of SEQ or SEQs. > > If so, return the true (non-nil) value returned by PREDICATE." > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > The second sentence is meaningless/underspecified. If the function > > stops as soon as it finds the first element for which PREDICATE is > > true then the doc should say that it returns the value returned by > > PREDICATE _for that element_. > > > > Without specifying, in some way, for which element the application of > > PREDICATE returns non-nil, "the value returned by PREDICATE" has no > > meaning. >=20 > I've now clarified the doc string here in Emacs 28. >=20 > However, the function is not guaranteed to stop at the first non-nil > predicate value, so that's not specified. According to the definition of Common Lisp, it is ABSOLUTELY guaranteed to do just that. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node143.html `some' returns as soon as any invocation of predicate returns a non-nil value; some returns that value. If the end of a sequence is reached, some returns nil. Thus, considered as a predicate, it is true if some invocation of predicate is true. And read more on that page - more about this guarantee, and more about it applying to ALL of the functions some, every, notany, and notevery.=20 Is this a bug with the implementation of `cl-some'? Or is it a doc bug? Does Emacs `cl-some' pretend to respect the CL definition of `some'? If not, the doc should say that explicitly, and it should spell out just how it deviates from support of the standard. (So far, this bug has, in effect, been declared "won't fix". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 02 10:12:02 2020 Received: (at 44330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2020 15:12:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42127 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZbV4-0002UF-EK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:12:02 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZbV2-0002Tj-NT for 44330@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 10:12:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=medFvcpKi7HTSVFQ52QpAqbLGw9I/K6vy5DlMRXdiUg=; b=TOtlGjOZgg9R+zpsHeLggObHRZ UlrwAVgo92VJDIB7zBfxbzoRBISQEvzDVybY+16EI7puVbQGYv0iVshSX9px7JQBIp4lQAwlJg/1B lhUfkfD3ZYfFYYN/7//MBu17hKNKQBwBAEK3DtujI86CwRMUgYg230KmRbbloHBzEcEc=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kZbUu-0001NQ-4U; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:11:54 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Subject: Re: bug#44330: 26.3; doc string of `cl-some' References: <0276f23e-6b26-431a-b1fa-25fe5ddb8fe6@default> <87361tdymf.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn4xc7yy.fsf@tcd.ie> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEXftaDTkHOeamBJ Nj+GeIP///9UTBKyAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+QLAg47MxUkqYoAAAGFSURBVDjLbZQN bsMgDIXN1gMAu8Cwd4DVzgGqJfc/055NkkJaS5Uqf/jvGUKU6YNb6VaZuRHs0ygR8QSWG8DNKGeA chiAbkSJjUo+MlEHtoFsRvUokSl1sGwPopWYhMOLzFHEPORPqCVB8eytUI9wsAr9VgAEwZ/cD4Bc q9E9gGnJpYjtpmKkVVpJYmgAh/2MA7S71BW+KncqTiv3kIjgMKrGLbpyEwDzEg4Uf84yDqquD7QF sNppBHfhWlrKtZXbj+gJWH2ukqhy8ol4BNCkhMh9wg4wW8nQD8d9yDoBNwch8BWUWGQdUlmsoxVx sGsygsQawJ4gVp5TrP4VIJVcge8iQekQV0bQsHMxe6q+Azhyqu/AXtVFkwmoLyjmuwI+zSYAhdk1 H/wH8J/YaB2oXtwH6MPzO8DjDCPQqfITaPfKDNhBXI+53e+AjBvOUyo8ppjd7+mYKvuj1iA6RcC+ /KH4Q7YLwODSk12BR+h0/gTzcAcQ4xcNLT4oS2J+F2G/VF9C/gEWf6lMTPjvrwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0 ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0xMS0wMlQxNDo1OTo1MSswMDowMAfa8TcAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5 ADIwMjAtMTEtMDJUMTQ6NTk6NTErMDA6MDB2h0mLAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Richard And Linda Thompson's _Pour Down Like Silver_: "Night Comes In" Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:11:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87pn4xc7yy.fsf@tcd.ie> (Basil L. Contovounesios's message of "Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:17:25 +0000") Message-ID: <87iman7pzd.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "Basil L. Contovounesios" writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> I've now clarified the doc string here in Emacs 28. > > Why not backport it to emacs-27? It didn't really seem vital (to put it mildly). Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44330 Cc: 44330@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Basil L. Contovounesios" writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> I've now clarified the doc string here in Emacs 28. > > Why not backport it to emacs-27? It didn't really seem vital (to put it mildly). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:34:13 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator