From unknown Mon Sep 08 13:04:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4432: Message creates ~/mail Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4432-quiet@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:05:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org 2X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 4432 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by quiet@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=Q.125295461523069 (code Q ref -1); Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:05:04 +0000 Received: (at quiet) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Sep 2009 18:56:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8EIuste023066 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:56:55 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MnGjN-0001vG-Lb; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:56:53 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: quiet X-Spook: Iran gamma Elvis ANDVT AVIP Bruxelles mania kilo class X-Ran: yt/wf/zPs|_@8t=4Fs%K&&~?QCd>^*<2G9r8>yt1VX78+p_**R't)`)DFzrSTDG;oMW;3] X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:56:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3kmy4x73t6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See discussion at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-09/msg00326.html emacs -Q C-x m C-x k RET and you have a ~/Mail directory. This behaviour represents a change from mail-mode, which uses ~ for auto-saves IIUC. From rgm@gnu.org Thu Sep 17 13:50:17 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Sep 2009 20:50:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD,VALID_BTS_CONTROL, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8HKoGAd029095 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:50:17 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MoNvh-00043b-CY; Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:50:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19122.41221.297337.516259@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:50:13 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes severity 4403 minor severity 4432 minor tags 4409 moreinfo reassign 4409 emacs,ns severity 4398 minor reassign 4467 emacs,ns merge 4297 4467 close 4386 close 4399 From unknown Mon Sep 08 13:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4432: Message creates ~/mail Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:29:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: 4432@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4432.13105133135854 (code B ref 4432); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:29:03 +0000 Received: (at 4432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 23:28:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmNR-0001WF-Vs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:28:33 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmNH-0001Vf-RI for 4432@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:28:23 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmN4-0007u2-Hv; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:28:06 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <3kmy4x73t6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:56:53 -0400") Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:27:29 +0200 Message-ID: References: <3kmy4x73t6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Peter Gabriel's _B-Sides and More (1)_: "Suzanne" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:4432@debbugs.gnu.org::L6fMI/X+2/2HcJ1m:000000000000000000000000000000000000000008wXb X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:rgm@gnu.org::4xsfNKEN9cROaCMS:000000d1A3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QgmN4-0007u2-Hv X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311118086.73156@5GW7ixlrvlARKuO/R4fIBw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > See discussion at > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-09/msg00326.html > > emacs -Q > C-x m > C-x k RET > > and you have a ~/Mail directory. > > This behaviour represents a change from mail-mode, which uses ~ for > auto-saves IIUC. Is this a bug, though? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Mon Sep 08 13:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4432: Message creates ~/mail Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 4432@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4432.131051467611029 (code B ref 4432); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 4432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 23:51:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmjU-0002rp-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:51:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmjR-0002rd-6I for 4432@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:51:13 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56597) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgmjL-0001mz-2W; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:51:07 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: <3kmy4x73t6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Bruxelles Plame halcon Sears Tower COSCO ASO MD4 spies X-Ran: -Btc/P7kiauoxexT8enHLlWdwQO;=+k=T2MAR\gKgN>_iqI[2BGXq%V;MUQF!rGH<8M]&z X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:51:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:27:29 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Is this a bug, though? http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-09/msg00328.html "I'd tend to agree. Make it a bug-report?" It still annoys me that every time I fire up emacs -Q C-x m to test something, I have to delete ~/Mail afterwards. And I can't even use rmdir, because it contains an empty `drafts' subdirectory. Grr. If ~/Mail does not exist already, hide the auto-saves away somewhere under ~/.emacs.d rather than creating ~/Mail just for them and and I will be happy. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 15:46:02 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 19:46:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAoL-000689-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:46:01 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAoK-00067v-Ao for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:46:00 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAo8-00047z-FJ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:45:48 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:45:47 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #4432 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QiAo8-00047z-FJ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311450348.55414@tOI9bzMASwj9r2n/ru7OZA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 4432 fixed close 4432 24.1 From unknown Mon Sep 08 13:04:04 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4432: Message creates ~/mail Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4432 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed To: Glenn Morris Cc: 4432@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4432-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4432.131084556723628 (code B ref 4432); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 4432) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 19:46:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAoQ-000693-TF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:46:07 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAoP-000682-1Z for 4432@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:46:05 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAoD-000489-2U; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:45:53 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:51:06 -0400") Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:45:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <3kmy4x73t6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Laurie Freelove's _Heaven On Earth_: "Heaven On Earth (Radio Edit-LP Version)" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:4432@debbugs.gnu.org::sq/Uuto4srDU1w1D:000000000000000000000000000000000000000005SIK X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:rgm@gnu.org::3w/h7KTVLFYBNe/f:000000xRdJ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QiAoD-000489-2U X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311450353.14678@fdLlZgh5Nja83n0WAxugmw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > It still annoys me that every time I fire up > > emacs -Q C-x m > > to test something, I have to delete ~/Mail afterwards. And I can't even > use rmdir, because it contains an empty `drafts' subdirectory. Grr. > > If ~/Mail does not exist already, hide the auto-saves away somewhere > under ~/.emacs.d rather than creating ~/Mail just for them and and I > will be happy. I've changed it to save the auto-saves to ~. That way no directories will be created by sending email under -Q. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/