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In this node you find this text: Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU Free Documentation License''. Should the `` and '' perhaps be rendered differently - perhaps as curly double quotes? 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A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU > Free Documentation License''. > > Should the `` and '' perhaps be rendered differently - perhaps as curly > double quotes? Agreed, they should probably be marked as the other instances of ``text quoted like this''. But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 25 15:51:38 2020 Received: (at 44211) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2020 19:51:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kWm3G-00057u-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 15:51:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36626) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kWm3F-00057i-IQ for 44211@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 15:51:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39740) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWm3A-0008DS-4n; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 15:51:32 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2120 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kWm39-0004Vs-J7; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 15:51:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:51:22 +0200 Message-Id: <83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 25 Oct 2020 11:53:02 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License' References: <76db0515-b5b0-4c7a-91d6-5c11b03696f2@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44211 Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 11:53:02 -0700 > > But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps? It is not a bug. That's what @example does. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 25 16:11:16 2020 Received: (at 44211) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2020 20:11:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37739 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmMG-0005c3-J9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:11:16 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:56884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmMB-0005bn-WF for 44211@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:11:15 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09PK9cDk149178; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:11:06 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=oPdZ7wjkfEB6N41VxMV6oIddVzlSyfbX1sjTVJCtbw8=; b=Y4aHNi5oVJm3h+/F8tZaFgWdAMGnp3+/8Q149liLzP+rUIUMZMJ6Hgln+OiwGNYsXSaF wWS/JQTwY82ZFsF5FmZl5kyte28Wy8Mz/tBOZ2tK2gT/6sdJVKNe+t/x3uysVv0+/FAk OfN61DaBaRqXkkD5I1z4GCWRY/IPis0aPBhGWhQpyGyPJg1XM7ANQIRxqOOzT836SO9H tVQQRIY6o+P6OilHOO6FO80mY/vBjEzBuOLR0hBar/pyXlE5TqaSxCRrodVr6MIrqMLj UkTaBxANQ23YEp3lqKCXf5n+3gsh4pd74VieLl6ahG4i9paizQ5GuMnEgw16kUAbjSN2 HQ== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34cc7kjcjv-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:11:06 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09PK9rL0026363; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:11:05 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34cx5vespf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:11:05 +0000 Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09PKB4sU025369; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:11:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6a4718dd-5a49-4d3d-bb1f-bdb4ba37206e@default> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License' References: <<76db0515-b5b0-4c7a-91d6-5c11b03696f2@default>> <> <<83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9785 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010250152 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9785 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010250151 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44211 Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps? >=20 > It is not a bug. That's what @example does. OK, not a bug. Does that mean that this is what we want users to see, as the final rendering of this particular text? If so, I wonder what the reason for that is. Here's an occurrence of ``...'' that I think is understandable, in (emacs) `Inserting Text': In addition, in some contexts, if you type a quotation using grave accent and apostrophe '`like this'', it is converted to a form 'like this' using single quotation marks, even without 'C-x 8' commands. Similarly, typing a quotation '``like this''' using double grave accent and apostrophe converts it to a form "like this" using double quotation marks. *Note Quotation Marks::. And this one, in (emacs) `Org Authoring': #+begin_quote ``This is a quote.'' #+end_quote And this, in (emacs) `TeX Editing': In TeX, the character '"' is not normally used; instead, quotations begin with '``' and end with ''''. TeX mode therefore binds the '"' key to the 'tex-insert-quote' command. This inserts '``' after whitespace or an open brace, '"' after a backslash, and '''' after any other character. As a special exception, if you type '"' when the text before point is either '``' or '''', Emacs replaces that preceding text with a single '"' character. You can therefore type '""' to insert '"', should you ever need to do so. (You can also use 'C-q "' to insert this character.) But I don't understand the reported case, unless "in a document" means only some particular kind of source document that will be handled in a way that transforms ``...'' into something else. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 11 20:07:36 2021 Received: (at 44211) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2021 01:07:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWHA-000839-01 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:07:36 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]:39112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKWH8-00082k-FD for 44211@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 20:07:34 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f171.google.com with SMTP id j6so11115123plx.6 for <44211@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:07:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SIUzsF2mlrc+hs21NmyjlpXkYgkDxQv4WfhsmQ/1C1k=; b=PInww5R6osgT5vH0bQwdCeMu6D52zIasNyUygheOhzJztLoISEB4ETHk4E8r1KMrjY 7JO6o6JM//uTDlCWr0+2T4tfpF37O81H7ChaSohd3uH0HAMvGr1QHTuhJGhdXYfUSyss pmTSrxNMOEnUEZjsO551pun5NqyGoLcSmP0B0vbRBcCeuJBQ+HSBSmB8eOj0MLcbRhdl b+kV90meIrUjPQLKfgzAqKjs7+0EyUPfpwFZu9m1zZHO26B1PxTwYaomO0lBj37ZCxzV dJnn/gCB1eiL6SbRIL9w1inMp4vgVip1LTuy4AT6yn/HRp71r3J63gh9TmIjThEnf5S8 AcZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Q2teOoVHp1zIOWzKpCKSLDdJrvRb5Is3EbFDMi6MdlFGoTzZb whP6DiQfj5bGNf2Pi90BU0VqGhp26o0ZB67DmZk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQAujfDMkPCIoVgKiwPoDnf8rJrKcnJI0OxJqKMi7avCdqIP60bCdcgevbNxETDVW8cnegqX7ifJxDHa10O64= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:f986:: with SMTP id cq6mr11558682pjb.175.1615511248970; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:28 -0600 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:51:22 +0200") References: <76db0515-b5b0-4c7a-91d6-5c11b03696f2@default> <83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:28 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License' To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44211 Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >> Dunno whether this is actually a bug, but it seems odd. >> >> In this node you find this text: >> >> Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU >> Free Documentation License''. >> >> Should the `` and '' perhaps be rendered differently - perhaps as curly >> double quotes? > > Agreed, they should probably be marked as the other instances of ``text > quoted like this''. > > But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps? Eli Zaretskii writes: > It is not a bug. That's what @example does. So should we replace this with =E2=80=9C and =E2=80=9D or should we close t= his as wontfix? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 12 03:04:22 2021 Received: (at 44211) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2021 08:04:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55958 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKcmT-0005iw-Qr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 03:04:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39444) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lKcmS-0005ij-Bh for 44211@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 03:04:20 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55961) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lKcmM-00062Z-NW; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 03:04:14 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2398 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lKclz-0004BK-FS; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 03:04:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 10:03:53 +0200 Message-Id: <83o8folrx2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:28 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License' References: <76db0515-b5b0-4c7a-91d6-5c11b03696f2@default> <83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44211 Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:28 -0600 > Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com > > > But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps? > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > It is not a bug. That's what @example does. > > So should we replace this with “ and ” or should we close this as > wontfix? This is a legal blurb we have in all our manuals, so the format there should be identical and coordinated with the FSF. But wait a minute: I don't think I understand the bug report anymore, because of 2 reasons: . the Texinfo source uses @quotation, not @example, so I'm unsure why I mentioned @example in my response, likely a mistake on my part; . more importantly, the text in the Info file uses “..” quoting So I now tend to think that Drew was looking at an old version of Info manuals, which were produced by makeinfo before we started using UTF-8 encoding as the default output encoding of our manuals, and that is the reason for the original issue. If I'm right, the bug should be closed as being fixed long ago. 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Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License' References: <76db0515-b5b0-4c7a-91d6-5c11b03696f2@default> <83k0vef5j9.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8folrx2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44211 Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "44211@debbugs.gnu.org" <44211@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:41:55 +0000 > > I just checked, with emacs -Q, in 27.1. > > Go to node GNU Free Documentation License. > Scroll to the bottom of the node, or search > for Addendum. > > The indented block of text after "just after > the title page" has this as its last sentence: > > A copy of the license is included in the section > entitled ``GNU Free Documentation License''. > > As that block is a quotation, perhaps this is > intended and needed, which is why I said in the > bug report that I don't know whether there's a > bug here. That's the GNU FDL, we cannot change even a comma there. 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OK. This is hardly worth this much time and energy in any case. I've added the tags wontfix and notabug, so anyone can pick their favourite. I'm consequently closing this bug. 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OK. I thought that might be the case. Thanks for confirming and closing. From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:42 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator