From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:10:21 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#4418 <4418@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#4418 <4418@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.1; Long timeout on starting emacs-23.1 Reply-To: bug#4418 <4418@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:10:21 +0000 retitle 4418 23.1; Long timeout on starting emacs-23.1 reassign 4418 emacs submitter 4418 Mike.Dowling@t-online.de severity 4418 normal thanks From md314159@t-online.de Sat Sep 12 03:13:49 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Sep 2009 10:13:49 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA,MURPHY_SEX_L2 autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8CADljh006694 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 03:13:48 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmPc2-0007Ya-Kb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:13:46 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmPbw-0007Wn-NR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:13:44 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36045 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MmPbw-0007Wc-7O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:13:40 -0400 Received: from mailout06.t-online.de ([194.25.134.19]:51459) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MmPbv-0003Fk-Oc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:13:40 -0400 Received: from fwd08.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.t-online.de with smtp id 1MmPbs-0000U4-00; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:13:36 +0200 Received: from moocow.localdomain (XKjAq-Ze8hnTnnL2i+KJtH2vIzSWV4RIEFm3PZyIJgAR+6T+kuFAw2eVzKgwRbbgiJ@[79.198.109.162]) by fwd08.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1MmPbj-23ay120; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:13:27 +0200 Received: by moocow.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 149) id E67E71E45B4; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:13:26 +0200 (CEST) From: md314159@t-online.de (Dr. Michael Dowling) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.1; Long timeout on starting emacs-23.1 Reply-to: Mike.Dowling@t-online.de Message-Id: <20090912101326.E67E71E45B4@moocow.localdomain> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:13:26 +0200 (CEST) X-ID: XKjAq-Ze8hnTnnL2i+KJtH2vIzSWV4RIEFm3PZyIJgAR+6T+kuFAw2eVzKgwRbbgiJ X-TOI-MSGID: 6d70c637-f886-4c02-ba6f-98e30c7c1db5 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Emacs takes infinity and a week to start if there is no Internet connection. Emacs starts normally whenever there is an Internet connection. Originally, I used the Arch Linux x86_64 cvs package. About two weeks ago, I suddenly started to get this timeout effect. I then upgraded to the stable version; same effect. I then compiled it myself; same effect. This looks rather like it might be a feature; presumably emacs has a reason to try to do something via the Internet. If so, then it's a feature that one must be able to turn off. I live in one city at the weekends where I have an Internet connection, but I work in another during the week where I don't. It is quite untenable having to wait so long everytime emacs is started where there is no Internet connection. I also find it rather disconcerting when a program like emacs starts making Internet connections without being asked to explicitly and without my being able to discover why. I tried look at the NEWS and BUS documentation, but could find nothing to explain this behaviour. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5) of 2009-07-31 on bitzer.hoetzel.info configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--without-sound' '-with-x-toolkit=gtk' 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_IE@euro.modified value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_IE@euro.modified value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: iso-latin-9-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: icomplete-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: m e m a c s RET m b u g s RET ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B TAB ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ B ESC [ 1 ~ ESC [ C ESC [ C ESC [ C ESC [ C RET u TAB ESC [ B RET ESC x r e p o TAB r TAB RET Recent messages: ("emacs" "-f" "info") Toggling tool-bar-mode off; better pass an explicit argument. Toggling menu-bar-mode off; better pass an explicit argument. Loading rubydb3x...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Composing main Info directory...done Making completion list... From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Sat Sep 12 12:47:14 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Sep 2009 19:47:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8CJlCx0012918 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:47:14 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmYYy-0007xm-Er for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:47:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MmYYt-0007oe-8Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:47:11 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35408 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MmYYt-0007o1-2Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:47:07 -0400 Received: from [206.248.154.181] (port=22872 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MmYYs-0008HU-DV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:47:06 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuAEAAuYq0pFpZBe/2dsb2JhbACBU9gPhBgFgkiFLA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,376,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="45608752" Received: from 69-165-144-94.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.144.94]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 12 Sep 2009 15:45:30 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2A91D83FD; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:47:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Mike.Dowling@t-online.de Cc: 4418@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4418: 23.1; Long timeout on starting emacs-23.1 Message-ID: References: <20090912101326.E67E71E45B4@moocow.localdomain> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:47:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20090912101326.E67E71E45B4@moocow.localdomain> (Michael Dowling's message of "Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:13:26 +0200 (CEST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. > Emacs takes infinity and a week to start if there is no Internet > connection. Emacs starts normally whenever there is an Internet > connection. [...] > I tried look at the NEWS and BUS documentation, but could find nothing > to explain this behaviour. Try to look at PROBLEMS. You're most likely bumping into the usual name-server issue. Stefan From cyd@stupidchicken.com Fri Sep 18 16:43:10 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Sep 2009 23:43:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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