From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:09:20 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#44088 <44088@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#44088 <44088@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 26.3; doc of `define-obsolete-variable-alias Reply-To: bug#44088 <44088@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 03:09:20 +0000 retitle 44088 26.3; doc of `define-obsolete-variable-alias reassign 44088 emacs submitter 44088 Drew Adams severity 44088 minor tag 44088 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 19 20:08:25 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 00:08:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42791 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUfCS-0007Hy-O2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:08:24 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53298) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUfCQ-0007Hq-Pt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/19 20:08:14 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) The doc (doc string and Elisp manual, node `Variable Aliases') does not say that, even though this is a macro, the two "name" arguments are evaluated. So typically you'll need to pass quoted symbols, not just the symbols. =20 The doc should make this clear. The doc should also say that these args are expected, when evaluated, to be symbols, not strings. Calling these args "*-NAME" isn't very helpful, but it will be OK if you state that the values are expected to be symbols. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 20 07:29:08 2020 Received: (at 44088) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 11:29:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43773 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUppE-0008VG-0f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:29:08 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45336) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUppC-0008Uq-S0 for 44088@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:29:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nyMoBzkuwu94E7NvZF7LASRVnUx6hjQq2dz5+rZQwys=; b=UfN7igx8FuU6i2GaI0gc/0EOQU OF+TL38yTxmmiIlZoYvxvo7348fcfChED9juzpspYeqnZ1M/7GWWmq6NmvUs5JZYchSlpemJ8ozzO OAFPxi4Gk5KY0doorqD26x6lYLDpAByHxH7XI2qrFO+3x6yOA5Z9k+QYwUQ0+YXr8wk8=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUpp3-0007CP-JZ; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:29:00 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#44088: 26.3; doc of `define-obsolete-variable-alias References: <43c9682c-9862-4e2a-a9b6-feca45155b0f@default> X-Now-Playing: Christoph de Babalon's _Hectic Shakes_: "Raw Mind" Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:28:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <43c9682c-9862-4e2a-a9b6-feca45155b0f@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:08:11 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87v9f5gmpz.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > The doc (doc string and Elisp manual, node `Variable Aliases') does not > say that, even though this is a macro, the two "name" arguments are > evaluated. So typically you'll need to pass quoted sym [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44088 Cc: 44088@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > The doc (doc string and Elisp manual, node `Variable Aliases') does not > say that, even though this is a macro, the two "name" arguments are > evaluated. So typically you'll need to pass quoted symbols, not just > the symbols. > > The doc should make this clear. Good idea. 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