From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16030132896481 (code B ref -1); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:29:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2020 09:28:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36228 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kU4z2-0001gT-Sw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:28:09 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59832) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kU4z1-0001gL-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:28:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU4z1-0007CY-Dk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:28:07 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:36509) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU4yz-0003yO-6G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:28:06 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.141.103]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3D.000000005F8C0A82.00003912; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:27:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 12:27:25 +0300 From: Jean Louis X-Hashcash: 1:20:201018:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::TAneTq63+B7jmwhn:00000000000000000000000000000000000000004mr+ Message-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=support1@rcdrun.com; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/18 05:27:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) If I set: trash-directory and delete-by-moving-to-trash then I cannot delete files in Trash, you can see what is happening, files may get a backup in Trash directory, but they do not get deleted, I need to invoke shell command or disable delete-by-moving-to-trash Best would be when first file is placed into Trash, that Emacs places there some directory local variable that would disable delete-by-moving-to-trash when deleting in that directory In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 18, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.12, cairo version 1.14.8) of 2020-10-14 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 423439b38067c4a428310edab24fba7da082027c Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11907000 System Description: Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/package/text/emacs-2020-10-14 --with-modules' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=exwm-xim locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort hashcash mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map text-property-search time-date subr-x mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils rect delsel cl-seq image-mode exif vc-git diff-mode easy-mmode view misearch multi-isearch dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs cus-edit cus-start cus-load wid-edit cl-extra seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-print thingatpt help-fns radix-tree help-mode easymenu cl-loaddefs cl-lib tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 107871 10426) (symbols 48 9849 1) (strings 32 29033 2153) (string-bytes 1 849511) (vectors 16 15242) (vector-slots 8 198702 11716) (floats 8 56 149) (intervals 56 4869 4) (buffers 992 20)) -- Thanks, Jean Louis From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: Acknowledgement (28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set) Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.16030135326945 (code B ref 44059); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:33:01 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2020 09:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kU52y-0001nx-HK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:32:12 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:34051) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kU52x-0001nn-84 for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 05:32:11 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.141.103]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B42.000000005F8C0B99.0000397B; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 09:32:09 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 12:32:02 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201018093202.GH9782@protected.rcdrun.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Maybe is better to set dir-locals-set-class-variables for the Trash directory, so that delete-by-moving-to-trash is unset there, if that is possible. Another method of specifying directory-local variables is to define a group of variables/value pairs in a “directory class”, using the ‘dir-locals-set-class-variables’ function; then, tell Emacs which directories correspond to the class by using the ‘dir-locals-set-directory-class’ function. These function calls normally go in your initialization file (*note Init File::). This method is useful when you can’t put ‘.dir-locals.el’ in a directory for some reason. For example, you could apply settings to an unwritable directory this way: From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.160310128214374 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 09:54:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40062 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kURsI-0003jm-Bn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 05:54:42 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33060) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kURsG-0003jW-Fe for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 05:54:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4TcI2BvE222PGB51hKURgEf0EjOnrJHHRwsAkLYiwbo=; b=CBoKb39lFimntP96vIC+CoYys3 QClPvvV2lXV2BFQO2gZOiVPoIdUE0G6eHb+2AaiGBb8J/dBlefe7RwQ6x2TUo4AXI9NaU6i1yhPR5 4FZyesLPlnzrHfThpRulwJq87QBIAPnEuQlhtH6a32MKM2xe+wRazkuzzFGbxil7j964=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kURs7-0006C5-B0; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:34 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Elecktroids's _Elektroworld_: "Floatation" Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2020 12:27:25 +0300") Message-ID: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Jean Louis writes: > then I cannot delete files in Trash, you can see what is happening, > files may get a backup in Trash directory, but they do not get deleted, > I need to invoke shell command or disable delete-by-mo [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jean Louis writes: > then I cannot delete files in Trash, you can see what is happening, > files may get a backup in Trash directory, but they do not get deleted, > I need to invoke shell command or disable delete-by-moving-to-trash I'm not sure whether that's a malfeature or not -- if you've told Emacs that everything you delete should go to the trash can, then even deleting things in the trash can should perhaps go there? Perhaps a new value to delete-by-moving-to-trash that would mean "delete if we're trying to delete in the trash can"? And... there doesn't seem to be any commands in Emacs for emptying the trash can? Shouldn't there be? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.16031070573994 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 11:30:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40168 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUTNR-000124-BQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 07:30:57 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:45417) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUTNP-0000zb-Hc for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 07:30:56 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0BF2.000000005F8D78ED.00004ECB; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:30:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:30:50 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201019113050.GA19325@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2020-10-19 12:55]: > Jean Louis writes: > > > then I cannot delete files in Trash, you can see what is happening, > > files may get a backup in Trash directory, but they do not get deleted, > > I need to invoke shell command or disable delete-by-moving-to-trash > > I'm not sure whether that's a malfeature or not -- if you've told Emacs > that everything you delete should go to the trash can, then even > deleting things in the trash can should perhaps go there? > > Perhaps a new value to delete-by-moving-to-trash that would mean "delete > if we're trying to delete in the trash can"? > > And... there doesn't seem to be any commands in Emacs for emptying the > trash can? Shouldn't there be? I think that is related to Dired and maybe some functions without Dired. I have solved the problem by adding in ~/tmp/Trash/.dir-locals.el ;;; Directory Local Variables ;;; For more information see (info "(emacs) Directory Variables") ((dired-mode . ((delete-by-moving-to-trash . nil)))) In my opinion, if the delete-by-moving-to-trash is true, that file should be made there read-only and user should be informed in Info manual or in the setting of that variable including setting of variable for trash location. Practical error case is that I was recording screen and deleting various videos, screen recording was taking so much space, I lost all space on hard disk. And I could not delete things inside of the Trash. It was emergency already to do something, my solution was above. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.16031193007110 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 14:55:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42018 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWYu-0001qc-7i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:55:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWYs-0001qQ-W4 for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35236) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWYn-0008T3-MF; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:53 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1991 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWYm-0007z3-Gy; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:54:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:30 +0200) References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:30 +0200 > Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > And... there doesn't seem to be any commands in Emacs for emptying the > trash can? Shouldn't there be? AFAIU, doing this for freedesktop-style trash isn't trivial. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.16031204398998 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 15:13:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWrG-0002L4-Om for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:13:58 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com ([209.85.208.49]:44905) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWrE-0002Kq-QT for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:13:57 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id t20so10605481edr.11 for <44059@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:13:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BOgyE3Jd2Ivj1NRYBOgL6ddRnDak50MzzPyC6Lv1a4c=; b=QkxzX0okMc5GvUYnlIQsOLb+nmPYklsSMjXShC15zUHhFPNR9DMVydtj56liZbNrxk QA7zeByQJ6gmfEcshrKHQEtA9KUXfn4MNtDOvKdckfR/D6HgS6dr7Pr9E1/gLJK8e0D/ frZ6bX8u4nvAKcaPl4ewVjPr3QHp/yVAUc2J+hYUxw4lbDWdFhHYLz5PLXwbN1k2W2Vw 6/YtFOOFFmNoEJx8aXKLx5ahk+rcq89Fg/R3mTEfWUyz1ucAKZULtGqbumRojdRiQt8Q ADsTFjdN2R3HmaA9B4XpUrL0q+CiFx67500dpDOZZ/G6vRs+zlKMdT3VRdLujTDEUb0R m7bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BOgyE3Jd2Ivj1NRYBOgL6ddRnDak50MzzPyC6Lv1a4c=; b=FtpkSAAJ2Kh5Xg/lNyVZWPD5ZeLKAG+btzFO/3TQl+01UF3hQDgnXd5b+/Mz5Ubjvn 8+1Z5P452PRm6TbsiakTJhpyFzRFX/Psb4SLOpY2o9asEx5plkHz6EfxYwyCix/sTpLd wqINE5SvbHZMz7YmojIPJd69sdDK1LpVFeGLEjy9Af2Xb0cRkc69t3sgs3B+2uLTfiit vXeyLF4X3omECge8bkOcMnHG6wdVGVDChWSFymnoziBKvzeMS0+HDCjeNfX+hXetn0JO N2NQI7vwfdiU2ITjeWFyVqWo+HTGSIh+gzOvo56qumGxwBQIuFfghDjWiTY3d/QpLO0l /QbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530nmwN21cF5L7DgsC/a7pLvnnda3lfZ6Z55k3J1BZ4pwKmL6c6x wueBvlpCySA6OW/syv2OsBF8ufnDo01S0hodrQY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvPfgrNJ+R86E1bDsn9kt+cGfufMhJQq9YgAgcJ5pqAehdTRt8S8zAQBtnp3X7+4r6QEsL5FqR4BdgAuFdRjY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3133:: with SMTP id dd19mr315177edb.100.1603120431039; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:13:50 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:13:50 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> And... there doesn't seem to be any commands in Emacs for emptying the >> trash can? Shouldn't there be? > > AFAIU, doing this for freedesktop-style trash isn't trivial. Isn't there some external command we could run? From a quick look at my system maybe "gio trash --empty"? From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.160374059030425 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2020 19:29:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Bh-0007uf-Uc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:29:50 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:55523) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Bg-0007uX-BV for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:29:48 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B39.000000005F972392.000043AC; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:29:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:03:22 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: GNU.Support User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-19 17:55]: > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:30 +0200 > > Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > And... there doesn't see [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.60 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours before Received: date -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-19 17:55]: > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:30 +0200 > > Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > And... there doesn't seem to be any commands in Emacs for emptying the > > trash can? Shouldn't there be? > > AFAIU, doing this for freedesktop-style trash isn't trivial. Actually it says that Emacs already does that: Hide Trash Directory: Value Menu Directory: /home/data1/protected/tmp/Trash/ State : SAVED and set. Directory for ‘move-file-to-trash’ to move files and directories to. Hide This directory is used only when the function ‘system-move-file-to-trash’ is not defined. Relative paths are interpreted relative to ‘default-directory’. If the value is nil, Emacs uses a freedesktop.org-style trashcan. So if I set the variable: delete-by-moving-to-trash and not set trash-directory it will use freedeskstop style. I did not verify, I just assume it. There is no big problem. If delete-by-moving-to-trash is set then Tramp says it was trashed, which is confusing. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.160374146131815 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2020 19:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Pk-0008H5-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:44:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Pi-0008Gr-Mi for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:44:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33463) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Pd-0003D7-Ca; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:44:13 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2394 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8Pc-0008RA-QK; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:44:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:44:07 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1pkeprs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:03:22 +0300) References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:03:22 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-19 17:55]: > > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:54:30 +0200 > > > Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > > And... there doesn't seem to be any commands in Emacs for emptying the > > > trash can? Shouldn't there be? > > > > AFAIU, doing this for freedesktop-style trash isn't trivial. > > Actually it says that Emacs already does that: It does? > Hide Trash Directory: Value Menu Directory: /home/data1/protected/tmp/Trash/ > State : SAVED and set. > Directory for ‘move-file-to-trash’ to move files and directories to. Hide > This directory is used only when the function ‘system-move-file-to-trash’ > is not defined. > Relative paths are interpreted relative to ‘default-directory’. > If the value is nil, Emacs uses a freedesktop.org-style trashcan. > > So if I set the variable: delete-by-moving-to-trash and not set > trash-directory it will use freedeskstop style. Look above: we were talking about _emptying_ the trashcan, not about _using_ it to move deleted files there. > There is no big problem. If delete-by-moving-to-trash is set then > Tramp says it was trashed, which is confusing. And this is yet another, almost unrelated, issue. Can we please stay focused in each thread on the topic of that thread, and nothing more? From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 20:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.16037428711602 (code B ref 44059); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 20:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2020 20:07:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41483 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8mV-0000Pm-Js for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:07:51 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:54543) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kX8mR-0000PK-Sm for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:07:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603742830; bh=dWIUwhm+BiZNebkxQ2PpwlOH8iyUAwaWTyyGb3JYq90=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=N2MRZDqss1gIv4I4SnhNLTDqHjJFdmMcCKFIfetkN83e1iRMghReiljG5LvBDJVa+ QJ921kNHRW9+DRCTjhg8nsitsttwbP0CODNfP1vr96ug176AUnETXzZc9ZThx4MzMM VV9WuRqDLRJttoAjcUY/yf1Nn+Ox9ftlqcKCwtBs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.54.197]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MAwbp-1khp4R3KjB-00BIXb; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:07:10 +0100 From: Michael Albinus References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 21:07:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Mon, 26 Oct 2020 19:03:22 +0300") Message-ID: <87zh48u4ya.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4UHS5nm7YbGVZ8wQEzOLHW0LuuElsHVMB2FnT06LNS3BVE0anMM EYnhUEHDXQ0dWYciQpVJz0oXF4A9Z3+ArpozrvN2SmIhfyJ3UnMJpEh4o8lecFILlVOJ5Xa Pdz6fB+jUFDvOJwCMa0+qkTOLEDaNsPrq+kyNeM24i4CPC7zdlBXJ1fi44pELcruK7tAC/M TyhPncqjHVW4WHOu4Y6Tg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2eWORR1itF0=:J2px5xFs8sp6nRsidzgFJ4 STSha5Z8zouu7hfMjZyErvE2Z09guT7AdNlwzzoogkPEXTD+UDMNMsXOrmjwWjYEOGsxkD1wR /KMnPkAf9uqSitLwHjqUt3RXt8X3TkgI8KW9rjLYvxumEk259k46iAFWmwyydAgsrtkwKf7em k0iVfHDoooiQ8leRszJSkcSEo+Vwdt5E4S1MFIGH4K9Pur6BU7KFAPTsWf7t+h0nj8oIc37mU qBCUN+7mGJHcj5t0VfhWz0GVvh7ihOCK3EmzIrSqKhMzC6MSK+//spKUQIlcrC6F5jeJ0nxTD k5k3s9XX8p6vO1dkiFgegE1AB9WP5/SbYOYVGjyrs0C5USEFgGGhBdU9y4KBlGCXB8RzYF2vd sfC2hf9Tu4CX3mu6dk5Rbu/rAY8n/DChEMTDrYXXnS7pooH6TP0BNIxH+ygwsmq1MQECCP25R tfE4cGWUi3jaTAkJntkIdRe/8L2GBSWQ4mhATbfjN/RFYUqgjggRB9mz5aAYrEcgCJpzVRoZP EBSSeYITf2SftTqk+BrXomphFWllvYO+9oXXo4Ml//GX6Q1+J4bThMXuX8fA5D3ZPLR13Gkmr N/uG57Mi8cHQ8AQyHdytNgo9neVqpS6rnsBT+6kcamtDAdb81WX0i6Zptlp1ZoaevvrlPwmV1 QINfeV4xaV+HR86w9RzjKWFbDVUS9yybOknUqE/rnBQl3XsylXAhu54WABu+je+ZIG6kXHQxe Uh6ARzg9RomXQFn0ODuPYZzdFKeY6GK10LZIhw/+ly2A/ooi9BlAUhiEHeAI3BCRSF6UFyRcf 38Ax0Nb31FEZQrV+FBzVUiRzKSqjc0Y2RSLsJQeJKxRqBd5evli4AA7xyJzlQRPivL65176Cc RyWy8NE6MsrJgCa0tUFQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Jean Louis writes: > There is no big problem. If delete-by-moving-to-trash is set then > Tramp says it was trashed, which is confusing. No. Tramp doesn't say this. This message comes from dired. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.160388537510634 (code B ref 44059); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 11:42:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjqx-0002lS-LF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:55 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:59615) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXjqv-0002lK-PW for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 07:42:54 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3A.000000005F99593B.00006A65; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:42:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:42:49 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1pkeprs.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83r1pkeprs.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: GNU.Support User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-26 22:44]: > > There is no big problem. If delete-by-moving-to-trash is set then > > Tramp says it was trashed, which is confusing. > > And this is yet another, [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.60 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-26 22:44]: > > There is no big problem. If delete-by-moving-to-trash is set then > > Tramp says it was trashed, which is confusing. > > And this is yet another, almost unrelated, issue. > > Can we please stay focused in each thread on the topic of that thread, > and nothing more? Actually exactly that was my intended original message for this bug. That variable should not affect remote systems and Tramp should not assume neither seek remote trash if that variable is set, it should remain local. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.160389939511460 (code B ref 44059); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 15:36:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXnV5-0002ym-4k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:36:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXnV2-0002yM-Qk for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46496) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXnUt-0000Ur-SA; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:36:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4027 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kXnUr-0007jm-AP; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:36:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:36:20 +0200 Message-Id: <83lffqcqh7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:42:49 +0300) References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1pkeprs.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:42:49 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > Actually exactly that was my intended original message for this > bug. That variable should not affect remote systems and Tramp should > not assume neither seek remote trash if that variable is set, it > should remain local. I don't think I agree with your categorical opinion on tis. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.160390677432464 (code B ref 44059); Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2020 17:39:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50528 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXpQ6-0008RX-9i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:39:34 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:38705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXpQ4-0008RO-Ir for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:39:32 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.60]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3A.000000005F99ACD0.00002B55; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:39:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 20:39:16 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfg2p8os.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1pkeprs.fsf@gnu.org> <83lffqcqh7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83lffqcqh7.fsf@gnu.org> Organization: GNU.Support User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-28 18:36]: > > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:42:49 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Actually exac [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.60 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-28 18:36]: > > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:42:49 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 44059@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Actually exactly that was my intended original message for this > > bug. That variable should not affect remote systems and Tramp should > > not assume neither seek remote trash if that variable is set, it > > should remain local. > > I don't think I agree with your categorical opinion on tis. Maybe it sounds too strict. I am always fine with whatever final decisions you as group make in Emacs. From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:42:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44059: 28.0.50; Trash files cannot be deleted properly if delete-by-moving-to-trash is set Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44059 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 44059@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44059-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44059.164465311514249 (code B ref 44059); Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 44059) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2022 08:05:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33321 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nInP9-0003hk-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:05:15 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nInP6-0003hP-R1 for 44059@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:05:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=PaKGfyil0Ftbnn3Bt+rFWZYD86WMFPzqtfTWf66lHGY=; b=OMYELFKNW8o+rj2ma2rIWTtMyg lWgetzAmwM0Fe9w881MuLI4bhRk85tChoG2Osrc3NxR17rMhgFR1u5tSfXahiUH5GIHygDuPJk9SB hJxZjfW15EcKU+49aocrUzy+g08Zmt5z08hYT20wR/ZEIhsP2sBxrCkzCqCsgo82cZjY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nInOw-00058x-Od; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:05:05 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <874kmqlew9.fsf@gnus.org> <20201019113050.GA19325@protected.rcdrun.com> X-Now-Playing: CCCP's _The World_: "Orient Express" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:05:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20201019113050.GA19325@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:30:50 +0300") Message-ID: <87ee484ij6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Jean Louis writes: > I have solved the problem by adding in ~/tmp/Trash/.dir-locals.el > > ; ; ; Directory Local Variables > ; ; ; For more information see (info "(emacs) Directory Variables") > > ((dired-mode . ((delete-by [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Jean Louis writes: > I have solved the problem by adding in ~/tmp/Trash/.dir-locals.el > > ;;; Directory Local Variables > ;;; For more information see (info "(emacs) Directory Variables") > > ((dired-mode . ((delete-by-moving-to-trash . nil)))) I've now added this to the manual in Emacs 29, and I think that should be sufficient. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 12 03:05:26 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2022 08:05:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33324 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nInPK-0003iD-Ot for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:05:26 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39602) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nInPJ-0003hw-NR for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:05:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=67NOw01/lFNMe3MIk6g8HPGbPBcmLczlr2SX5oOuT9M=; b=J9z8dOa8FD9uFtwF62UwaRlGOZ Z8vPeJsooYtZaQ2b89Vq4mHJNZB/WSBetcMDBAqy6ZdGCCwqPt0YesBSbFrCGiWdW2b3/JT9rM+yC pG5O8NOQma+MTTnMIE6ATAq50LKXqKP1GyNUfcSk3FbIVZlazn7gnJqHG0HX/uOSwkIo=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nInPB-000598-Ij for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:05:20 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:05:15 +0100 Message-Id: <87czjs4iis.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #44059 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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