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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) --00000000000043bdd505b1b0e74d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Here are the steps to reproduce: 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental 2. Type a character, like `a' 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will be deleted. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894.60 Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H2)) of 2020-10-14 built on C02Y80D7JHD4 Repository revision: 4bf9bb56b56b4acacd5d9430a19db32291bd078b Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1894 System Description: Mac OS X 10.15.7 Configured using: 'configure --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-silent-rules --enable-locallisppath=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp --infodir=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-plus@28/28.0.50/share/info/emacs --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-plus@28/28.0.50 --with-xml2 --with-gnutls --with-dbus --with-imagemagick --with-modules --with-rsvg --without-pop --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained' Configured features: JPEG TIFF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK DBUS GLIB NOTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: C value of $LC_CTYPE: UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: global-voice-lock-mode: t voice-lock-mode: t tooltip-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: /Users/pdoustdar/src/emacspeak/lisp/tetris hides /usr/local/Cellar/emacs-plus@28/28.0.50/share/emacs/28.0.50/lisp/play/tetris Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug emacspeak-message message rmc puny emacspeak-dired locate dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec emacspeak-epa epa derived epg epg-config gnus-util emacspeak-rmail rmailsort emacspeak-desktop desktop frameset rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source eieio eieio-core eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils emacspeak-widget wid-edit emacspeak-tab-bar emacspeak-buff-menu emacspeak-advice emacspeak-cedet cl-macs emacspeak-setup mac-voices emacspeak emacspeak-preamble emacspeak-sounds emacspeak-speak emacspeak-keymap sox-gen emacspeak-pronounce voice-setup cl-extra help-mode easymenu seq dectalk-voices acss-structure emacspeak-load-path byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-seq subr-x cus-load dtk-speak dtk-unicode advice dtk-interp cl-loaddefs cl-lib gv tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 122800 11810) (symbols 48 9949 1) (strings 32 28427 3038) (string-bytes 1 920771) (vectors 16 20743) (vector-slots 8 234751 11153) (floats 8 76 18) (intervals 56 245 0) (buffers 992 13)) --00000000000043bdd505b1b0e74d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
Here are the steps to reproduce:
1. Crea= te an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental
2. Type a = character, like `a'
3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h&= #39; and then press <DEL>
4. You will see "=C2=A0Begin= ning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will be deleted.
In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894= .60 Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H2))
=C2=A0of 2020-10-14 built on C02Y80D7J= HD4
Repository revision: 4bf9bb56b56b4acacd5d9430a19db32291bd078b
Rep= ository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', ver= sion 10.3.1894
System Description: =C2=A0Mac OS X 10.15.7

Configu= red using:
=C2=A0'configure --disable-dependency-tracking --disable-= silent-rules
=C2=A0--enable-locallisppath=3D/usr/local/share/emacs/site-= lisp
=C2=A0--infodir=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-plus@28/28.0.50/share/inf= o/emacs
=C2=A0--prefix=3D/usr/local/Cellar/emacs-plus@28/28.0.50 --with-= xml2
=C2=A0--with-gnutls --with-dbus --with-imagemagick --with-modules -= -with-rsvg
=C2=A0--without-pop --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained'= ;

Configured features:
JPEG TIFF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK DBUS GLIB N= OTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS
LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES THRE= ADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2

Important settings:
=C2=A0 value of $LC_AL= L: C
=C2=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: UTF-8
=C2=A0 locale-coding-system: ut= f-8-unix

Major mode: Fundamental

Minor modes in effect:
= =C2=A0 global-voice-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 voice-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 too= ltip-mode: t
=C2=A0 electric-indent-mode: t
=C2=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: = t
=C2=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 file-name= -shadow-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 font-lock-mode= : t
=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
= =C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t

Lo= ad-path shadows:
/Users/pdoustdar/src/emacspeak/lisp/tetris hides /usr/l= ocal/Cellar/emacs-plus@28/28.0.50/share/emacs/28.0.50/lisp/play/tetris
<= br>Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug emacspeak-message message r= mc puny
emacspeak-dired locate dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-secemacspeak-epa epa derived epg epg-config gnus-util emacspeak-rmail
rma= ilsort emacspeak-desktop desktop frameset rmail rmail-loaddefs
auth-sour= ce eieio eieio-core eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map
text-property= -search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse
rfc2231 maila= bbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045
ietf-drums mm-util m= ail-prsvr mail-utils emacspeak-widget wid-edit
emacspeak-tab-bar emacspe= ak-buff-menu emacspeak-advice emacspeak-cedet
cl-macs emacspeak-setup ma= c-voices emacspeak emacspeak-preamble
emacspeak-sounds emacspeak-speak e= macspeak-keymap sox-gen
emacspeak-pronounce voice-setup cl-extra help-mo= de easymenu seq
dectalk-voices acss-structure emacspeak-load-path byte-o= pt bytecomp
byte-compile cconv cl-seq subr-x cus-load dtk-speak dtk-unic= ode advice
dtk-interp cl-loaddefs cl-lib gv tooltip eldoc electric uniqu= ify
ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win
ucs= -normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image
regexp-o= pt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode
lisp-mo= de prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch
timer se= lect scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu
font-core term/= tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian
utf-8-lang misc-lan= g vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 = hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european
ethiopic indian cyrillic chi= nese composite charscript charprop
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook hel= p simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-f= ace macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format= env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote th= reads dbusbind
kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emac= s)

Memory information:
((conses 16 122800 11810)
=C2=A0(symbol= s 48 9949 1)
=C2=A0(strings 32 28427 3038)
=C2=A0(string-bytes 1 9207= 71)
=C2=A0(vectors 16 20743)
=C2=A0(vector-slots 8 234751 11153)
= =C2=A0(floats 8 76 18)
=C2=A0(intervals 56 245 0)
=C2=A0(buffers 992 = 13))
--00000000000043bdd505b1b0e74d-- From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Parham Doustdar Cc: 44005@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44005.160274878530316 (code B ref 44005); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 44005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 07:59:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kSyAr-0007st-0d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:59:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39694) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kSyAo-0007sb-R3 for 44005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 03:59:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=owpemd14/uUiBKjrHCjIVNVUjGmnljsbwYXpOZ1H6hI=; b=FdI0O4rCG2Aa0zW72CHcZe437J C5itVOiQxpyWdWq+35KKdvrX69laylwPocXQ6L7tfnzkQ/8jn0cwIaWvml+HoZhmtlQTP3I0Oms8z 68CHDc+SWpMsbBWGa+7H6KwclNCcrcFVdMpvYmAAOd6sdVHShLmUYh3I+9ymUl1QQa3Q=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSyAg-0000xs-GQ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:59:36 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEU/NSGHgXOktMj/ //8+Xi7wAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QKDwc6NryOpqYAAAGgSURBVCjPZY9Ba9tAEIXf hl1h6bQGCSqdcvDF/RWjEBuSkxxk0+akgh1s/QrLpKH0JIETkE+iyMKaX5mVHJeUvsOy3+zsvHkI Uj4CwYEgLMiU2UANpA7AzM8IqsjiAMJAScEL2ZwCwvRRWt45jwYQNEzcfHMOHSxmHHJpBT3Mp5xx pXxuIW65MJBLySeERXpMd2w82xo/q/TtpYPhJsfvEy/CmyOUHu9x37KlrApC+TWclu+VVUDhrjGQ Wdm00IPEZgN0FV5lky9Lv8C0fBaAdtarcYVssoXbQXPSmAz/kAt8jRuTLxwyjUxMNG1k8rQYAxt6 aisDFTYiweytTUyEXNRYAq9rcxewEmiEOXqpZVejM8iu2XQYkcZ/ougTqOUHudIca4z6DUYxCDGu DXCijQ9JIkh4kW0GbgedkeeQ3f/srZWU5zH/WMnzFhddHvvi1AbFSnqTRRjBsm9od/1r8KN8cGF9 fw132/0g368GUOWhmGZ7Z1uvXPhlXZRPkfuwKhPM5/FsLqFdfxJB6L+WHvpIWpCWmi6Wtyr21Odl vHf4AXkcaltNVQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0xMC0xNVQwNzo1ODo1NCswMDowMDdY i3gAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMTAtMTVUMDc6NTg6NTQrMDA6MDBGBTPEAAAAAElF TkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Mia Doi Todd's _Zeroone_: "Digital" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:59:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Parham Doustdar's message of "Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:50:24 +0200") Message-ID: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Parham Doustdar writes: > Here are the steps to reproduce: > 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental > 2. Type a character, like `a' > 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press > 4. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Parham Doustdar writes: > Here are the steps to reproduce: > 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental > 2. Type a character, like `a' > 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press > 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will be deleted. I'm unable to reproduce this bug. Do you get this when starting Emacs with -Q? 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Content preview: tags 44005 + moreinfo quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 44005 + moreinfo quit From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work Resent-From: Parham Doustdar Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 44005@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44005.1602760055552 (code B ref 44005); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 44005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 11:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT16d-00008p-IQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:07:35 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-f44.google.com ([209.85.167.44]:44075) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT16c-00008c-8z for 44005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:07:34 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-f44.google.com with SMTP id b1so3064393lfp.11 for <44005@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:07:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OnF8GJUSzFYmTNDKpmog81UvxXLAfiGKUIl7mMt5/i4=; b=YVX6noQJ1QX+w3Nucea/86ZxmwPK5YbfRUfxO0PXXElEWg5U1IiHKTqj+xmFfORLvK zw7AkSsDVUParx5f2o92BvBx3ROrGJWKbACPdXiRZYjurefm1vupWuLKiJs2QSLg7DnX 6/PWyrw+KXqjm6JjbMjG83AGRV42KRlzG1CPQV0FXGgC7uIqB8dGh2xHZSjIUinLtIp6 aGWTeh7I9T3PKYjbhYRR6J2lPvCuWs2Fc6tXH2zKLrwilgImX2TLCbI9vVObDPKmW2CB dChq177buanv2Nh22iJqqRbzFTj/vJn+EwsUleeMM3OZZtwihbaDp8q727kEnZCuNV3+ tUcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OnF8GJUSzFYmTNDKpmog81UvxXLAfiGKUIl7mMt5/i4=; b=Ew9583yxR2BM2y5ihqDndh0hODvnGTuMH6+jcUFVk6JRXe5iqDT8S6T1qx2fYgnp4s Ed1o1qRuIoYq+Ozn8OXQPxY9TVcCiwhNZZiEJ/pWtGhusNSgmHReFLmCVl3iBn/18Prt 6I1/x3pCJPJ8JjkFGTIEgLlZO5wjLkxCK8wKq2flD3qROfvNjDxAgK+rOvWm2Y9i0PC8 6RYy8Yl/M0xBTwPqwgAYxonltxmepbk4DCgFGXDauiDt6+rNBIptFntD8bTOMpB/buRH VTIw6DbhTMMTVpCEdplmn7Ba+LScG6TblsMJH3JcQ4y65oDokUdW/EaYSbEYcM29pnXR oYhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RilDoTooYaeLVSUHsf6I7NDWEDij1FYyjquiOV7oy0Kkc/0K9 yhZNhRksyrQhK6NoYXxky1en+715zhQZ7oAwBaM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJziwK1hAcPo1ftVnE49tm0UhcbFWcLTDUoK2v+M8kGlARblYeR7xVWKVfq/EIWdSKg04EmhgIBwvG99e4zybWY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3137:: with SMTP id p23mr963776lfd.316.1602760047671; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:07:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> From: Parham Doustdar Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:07:16 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004d459e05b1b3a799" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --0000000000004d459e05b1b3a799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi there, Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast! Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't read-only, though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the region with C-w works. It's only deleting that doesn't work. :-( If there's any way that I could gather more information on this, let me know. Thanks! On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Parham Doustdar writes: > > > Here are the steps to reproduce: > > 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental > > 2. Type a character, like `a' > > 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press > > 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing > will be deleted. > > I'm unable to reproduce this bug. Do you get this when starting Emacs > with -Q? > > It sounds like you have some sort of extension that makes buffers > read-only installed. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > --0000000000004d459e05b1b3a799 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying = so fast!
Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. T= he buffer isn't read-only, though. Deleting without the region active w= orks. Killing the region with C-w works. It's only deleting that doesn&= #39;t work.
:-(
If there's any way that I could gat= her more information on this, let me know.
Thanks!
On Thu, O= ct 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Parham Doustdar <parham90@gmail.com> writes:

> Here are the steps to reproduce:
> 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental
> 2. Type a character, like `a'
> 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press <DEL&g= t;
> 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and= nothing will be deleted.

I'm unable to reproduce this bug.=C2=A0 Do you get this when starting E= macs
with -Q?

It sounds like you have some sort of extension that makes buffers
read-only installed.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Parham Doustdar writes: > Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast! > Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't read-only, > though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Parham Doustdar writes: > Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast! > Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't read-only, > though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the region with C-w > works. It's only deleting that doesn't work. > :-( Could you try with -Q instead of -q? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work Resent-From: Parham Doustdar Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 44005@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44005.16027609682266 (code B ref 44005); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 44005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 11:22:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT1LM-0000aU-Jl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:22:48 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f176.google.com ([209.85.208.176]:45817) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT1LK-0000aF-D3 for 44005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 07:22:46 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f176.google.com with SMTP id a4so2713240lji.12 for <44005@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:22:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cI+KvSMqAkjm0ZMTr/A114xSGrZ98N3Q0ECE7N9C0Fg=; b=pBRnnrS1b0gKzHaAORJTCRwmwFILeQvV7ZFQjxc44aEKNJTClD21tD1t/KF93bXaa5 hJ9h7DGEFhnUnfRWcsqVgHrDRFleqSFsnSYOaJa10iddjZOcBX3J/cpaN9DrvVeYKLM3 tbuwvj11N7zqM4IpWR+2Qtqt59M6Jy2PdpEi0J+cW1ybvM+JVe/JC2FusKOq9t1NN+il IjKrY8j26GqTaAXBgK2uoQvNpCWcNwuCO7E2DqqZmPERFFoR7mtv8SGa/IGZS54Xb58Q vKckczGMyZWPh5T7whdsIR4kVuxXJZRzar8zcxWHNzqUzwW+SS0rtfnkKp+A2Sc11iLl LDYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cI+KvSMqAkjm0ZMTr/A114xSGrZ98N3Q0ECE7N9C0Fg=; b=FZcBye2apr8/DfcJsA1/4pjpSnkRYz0IDZ5RyNm8ahR2EOVPs1OZPgTC9Nx/bXYF3l JTfb6s29VdHXFOt0ITT4KM1QxNtU3p3A/qA23T6et/e4VpvZEc2Hwfn7b5ltl7UjaU6O s8htn1ibzYvK6xg8v9thhN1fMiP3jVM/u53QQxKSMPk+9pnPzWJB9dbA15INJ97wVnnk 0zdzNazrSHU+CWjNeVHm4dZsWOTDXeuf9tEcPUhiEmZ0xK/KGIhTkwDMpw/BASwXNF4B ffJt2Bvmb42LSU2bhGk8CnToWu6q62A7MPuImXiiK/TEHz/ZZfiWWY1Fe0FP98WYR2rJ IdiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337voIb9I4IrjgWrN0N7xZ2gYwfOMzgpur7EFBeeZJ3lk+jDYvk Dfl9pImgt/10d2obsWp3IPVXtE/PjDQm80RWTHE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxX3NZ+V8EglrUl4ZYP5Jm8caVkXiSZRtJDUfJYgrY0jEi52Ey8vJf9mpZB1hkEkUYbYtTBTgJQ3EDrJv9VyU8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8596:: with SMTP id b22mr998117lji.455.1602760960287; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 04:22:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> <87d01jyc0k.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87d01jyc0k.fsf@gnus.org> From: Parham Doustdar Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:22:29 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b2a66305b1b3dd59" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000b2a66305b1b3dd59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi there, Yes, tried that too. Same results. On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Parham Doustdar writes: > > > Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast! > > Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't > read-only, > > though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the region > with C-w > > works. It's only deleting that doesn't work. > > :-( > > Could you try with -Q instead of -q? > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > --000000000000b2a66305b1b3dd59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
Yes, tried that too. Same results.

On T= hu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Parham Doustdar <parham90@gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast!
> Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn&= #39;t read-only,
> though. Deleting without the region active works. Killing the region w= ith C-w
> works. It's only deleting that doesn't work.
> :-(

Could you try with -Q instead of -q?

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Try the steps on a bootstrap build. make bootstrap From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work Resent-From: Andrii Kolomoiets Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Parham Doustdar Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 44005@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44005.160276777421339 (code B ref 44005); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 44005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 13:16:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT378-0005Y7-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:16:14 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f179.google.com ([209.85.208.179]:41588) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT377-0005Xr-Fw for 44005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:16:13 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f179.google.com with SMTP id p15so3093814ljj.8 for <44005@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=3NDjcEpygd2E0EXu8G2d6uUY9kdwon8m1B2MspPWWhs=; b=UGUty3Q8p6X7j6OEGupydb5aqgGYAVwNY9oOnEXAesEoYzoL0Q+Bnhtb9/4yLMuzb9 neeoMluhjWcAZFerHN+WpiP984PAQ+ToTc8BlNxI/xZxjWdj/bBziAACueZhQvtRDrQf YdGVwtbyOpKcCUWjKqoxKGIcCjD/F7/hVbV9911km1DKzOgDP2e23CpA5iDxlidfdTHh TxQR2LnTPuJC4dVVGLq5l9SuTp1hoi9Z48XxoGc+T8nWR/s0KwIsPoD8PpjB+tvdEJ2C yv+YEGda2Ny3GdPxD6fWbic2ziwlEH6mIfXeRJRJA5YTo0ObzefDaQRPSf9BwSGioghD +9kg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=3NDjcEpygd2E0EXu8G2d6uUY9kdwon8m1B2MspPWWhs=; b=QuFIYRiU9PLUXt1lanHW2rCc6cwZ1A39yFi0ur+hmJpP36JEosZj4USm9U1NXRruJV h+Ua29Gu2uAsOFFsoZjd0Ap+s0rWfsDRIktOfla5QNvljutn9zb+EfTGcTGrKqvCJbGL IQXwQdHwENKXrInBSeKMbCtTbv9mzxqCZecl/llPDQ+yQ2Ge/RIUR5Io4albp/2FgCIZ 0jM2GXJ4BpW5o7ET0cly5x7V3f/dcydzM3GC8ZUPxGNMM8761MjpyQZ45tJrf1aUNJBF wy/jI425wOL6OWP9xaI5ydgz3kvmMuGDiTs0U52KBUBku5C5aizAeOCDMrWpy1zJYDJr HOEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Xjv0WDF19YxI4g+jUbUExvQRV6s89OMZPywWzZT7n/GXK7su3 8itq55yWwGVAePVD/Kkxb/bPHqlZmBLIVA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxOlFFswy5SfyuHmgFrtCQsNzYBu9C4Z2AAos859u0eOfXFkVn3g8MgiEK1FgyN/3OhR8VOBQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:50d:: with SMTP id 13mr1154893ljf.195.1602767766931; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muffinmac ([91.206.110.168]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l129sm1027113lfd.191.2020.10.15.06.16.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrii Kolomoiets References: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> <87d01jyc0k.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:16:04 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Parham Doustdar's message of "Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:22:29 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Parham Doustdar writes: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> Could you try with -Q instead of -q? > Hi there, > Yes, tried that too. Same results. Also let's see what command runs your "" key. Please do: 1. emacs -Q 2. 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Please do: 1. emacs -Q 2. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Parham Doustdar writes: > >> Here are the steps to reproduce: >> 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental >> 2. Type a character, like `a' >> 3. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Parham Doustdar writes: > >> Here are the steps to reproduce: >> 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental >> 2. Type a character, like `a' >> 3. Select the entire buffer using [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.208.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.208.171 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [91.206.110.168 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (andreyk.mad[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Parham Doustdar writes: > >> Here are the steps to reproduce: >> 1. Create an empty buffer in any major mode, like fundamental >> 2. Type a character, like `a' >> 3. Select the entire buffer using `C-x h' and then press >> 4. You will see " Beginning of buffer" in the echo area, and nothing will be deleted. > > I'm unable to reproduce this bug. Do you get this when starting Emacs > with -Q? > > It sounds like you have some sort of extension that makes buffers > read-only installed. Why read-only? Judging from the "Beginning of buffer" message some scroll command was invoked. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Parham Doustdar Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 44005@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44005.160277119228008 (code B ref 44005); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 14:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 44005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 14:13:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56131 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT40F-0007Hd-KO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:13:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT40D-0007HQ-HV for 44005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:13:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51233) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kT408-0004tj-8k; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:13:04 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2897 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kT407-0000XQ-G6; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:13:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:13:18 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7qvy3up.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Parham Doustdar on Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:07:16 +0200) References: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Parham Doustdar > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:07:16 +0200 > Cc: 44005@debbugs.gnu.org > > Thanks for trying to reproduce and replying so fast! > Yeah, I ran with `-q` and the same thing is happening. The buffer isn't read-only, though. Deleting without the > region active works. Killing the region with C-w works. It's only deleting that doesn't work. > :-( > If there's any way that I could gather more information on this, let me know. In that case, this is perhaps macOS specific? 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However, I had a thought. I'm running Emacs with Emacspeak, which advices some functions to act as a screen reader and speak the deleted character. I can't verify that Emacspeak isn't causing this error, although reading the source code of the advice, all i see is a call to `(preceding-char)'. Is there a way to follow the execution and see what that scrolling function is? Another thing that I noticed is that when I do `C-x h' my point is in the very beginning of the buffer. Not sure if it has always been the case. So, when I type `a ' (that is, a and then a space) and press `C-x h', `(point)' returns 1, `(region-beginning)' returns 1, and `(region-end)' returns 3. I hope this is all useful. Best, Parham On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:29 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > In that case, this is perhaps macOS specific? > > I tried it on Macos, and was unable to reproduce the problem. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > --000000000000d99db705b1b6a53e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
<DEL> runs `delete-backward-char'.=
However, I had a thought. I'm running Emacs with Emacspeak, = which advices some functions to act as a screen reader and speak the delete= d character. I can't verify that Emacspeak isn't causing this error= , although reading the source code of the advice, all i see is a call to `(= preceding-char)'.
Is there a way to follow the execution and = see what that scrolling function is?
Another thing that I noticed= is that when I do `C-x h' my point is in the very beginning of the buf= fer. Not sure if it has always been the case.
So, when I type `a = ' (that is, a and then a space) and press `C-x h', `(point)' re= turns 1, `(region-beginning)' returns 1, and `(region-end)' returns= 3.
I hope this is all useful.
Best,
Parham

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 4:29 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> In that case, this is perhaps macOS specific?

I tried it on Macos, and was unable to reproduce the problem.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.167.41 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.167.41 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [91.206.110.168 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (andreyk.mad[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager Parham Doustdar writes: > Hi there, > runs `delete-backward-char'. What is the value of the `delete-active-region` variable? I can reproduce your issue by these steps: 1. emacs -Q 2. M-: (setq delete-active-region nil) 3. C-x h 4. M-x delete-backward-char But if I skip step 2 the selected text is deleted. From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#44005: 28.0.50; Deleting region doesn't work Resent-From: Parham Doustdar Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 19:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44005 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Andrii Kolomoiets Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 44005@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 44005-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44005.16027915064660 (code B ref 44005); Thu, 15 Oct 2020 19:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 44005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 19:51:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56640 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT9Ht-0001D6-NR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:51:45 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f174.google.com ([209.85.208.174]:41160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kT9Hr-0001Cu-VW for 44005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:51:44 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f174.google.com with SMTP id p15so61002ljj.8 for <44005@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EjJ8qUvZel5JW/9RQtjOAiU37eHTdKVqvYiXYX4akJM=; b=kumz+1sDHVP4YkCeA2PJ5HLFZCoJD6ITVaSCELFyObTWgOxvmCMd4G8y3hvSDvQw9G PuzPGkwgnSEWYs2cslxSBh/0RZBUQsRfsK2+VcTh0CrCa1vhqTMr8EpGVHGlY/AMX7rQ T1Rk4omlN9tnPEuXSH+IOwvEy7Oy+q6zdySfOZYtRRudWKujWu/EdN2uQSLeNr/Ojk6g OnaLuWlYD3lhEYlXWNMSbzBwe+5t7S3LZDxeHmyV6nXwrJzlD+IvHG8523dW232zCwO+ qxqms/7Ffbdj2cKdtUyhIdeUxUJ3amMIe9D5KhVZ7p2eWQoUT9N1g5aIJ9sF4yVUp/S8 74Xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EjJ8qUvZel5JW/9RQtjOAiU37eHTdKVqvYiXYX4akJM=; b=hhBamJJDVxFn1cn247/1Rv+kE59liwYi5X1caSW1VmWc1cMzGU0lXp2kEzx1OQzuwF BO4Iz64fzBtfXbR0mDlJbYDLG/jSh3RoeJwwXmShO0qOyhcdDy01WuKACarEHVDX9Zh5 8kvfSD8OsEglasd3NW4/tQx+FF5x668Kh8/tZW4erwAb/MbAf6zk/i1abGmGjkE3oeYq Z8oLXkBr9i9/AGaMonYZiIf1Kh4cRAzIPc7eA9GLO2KpovTKFTvHJSaAdKFwLtZolcV5 aW8SN0sqmWvATMOU2bodtwdO0gPqlrd92prPQ2+StuC+Z3CAVTsllpUObg6tPL6d5jNh umQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5317bEgkyR1OLjovBoJgaQD6Fbl1E37XmZPdL76TSfkShNM41omk 27/4S3GWbwoKrCKxUyr/yClBawbTu+uTRi+Uiu8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyej2s3RZ/DP3U/UHw0rE5pV9zcZJ1SODTCJUiRXEQAJ6yLYWT30MTPUrL3/xi9tE2RRcwzlbX3/iLArX4+aTA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8596:: with SMTP id b22mr116070lji.455.1602791497662; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87lfg7yl5m.fsf@gnus.org> <83h7qvy3up.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfg7woj6.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: From: Parham Doustdar Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:51:26 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000de057b05b1baf9ce" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000de057b05b1baf9ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Reading the documentation for the variable you just pointed to made me realize that maybe transient-mode is somehow being turned off. I did `emacs -Q`, and checked the value of `transient-mark-mode' in the customize interface. It says that the value was "modified outside customize". So, something is setting this variable to nil, even though the standard value is `t'. No idea how this could be caused (maybe it's caused by the emacs-plus homebrew formula I'm using?) but at least I can get rid of the weird behavior by turning on transient mark mode now. Thanks a lot everyone for all the help. I really appreciate it. Best, Parham On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:29 PM Andrii Kolomoiets wrote: > Parham Doustdar writes: > > > Hi there, > > runs `delete-backward-char'. > > What is the value of the `delete-active-region` variable? > > I can reproduce your issue by these steps: > 1. emacs -Q > 2. M-: (setq delete-active-region nil) > 3. C-x h > 4. M-x delete-backward-char > > But if I skip step 2 the selected text is deleted. > --000000000000de057b05b1baf9ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
Reading the documentation for the variable you jus= t pointed to made me realize that maybe transient-mode is somehow being tur= ned off.
I did `emacs -Q`, and checked the value of `transient-ma= rk-mode' in the customize interface. It says that the value was "m= odified outside customize".
So, something is setting this va= riable to nil, even though the standard value is `t'.
No idea= how this could be caused (maybe it's caused by the emacs-plus homebrew= formula I'm using?) but at least I can get rid of the weird behavior b= y turning on transient mark mode now.
Thanks a lot everyone for a= ll the help. I really appreciate it.
Best,
Parham
=

= On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 9:29 PM Andrii Kolomoiets <andreyk.mad@gmail.com> wrote:
Parham Doustdar <parham90@gmail.com> writes= :

> Hi there,
> <DEL> runs `delete-backward-char'.

What is the value of the `delete-active-region` variable?

I can reproduce your issue by these steps:
1. emacs -Q
2. M-: (setq delete-active-region nil)
3. C-x h
4. M-x delete-backward-char

But if I skip step 2 the selected text is deleted.
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