From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:24:56 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#43942 <43942@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#43942 <43942@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: message-insert-signature vs. always at the bottom Reply-To: bug#43942 <43942@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:24:56 +0000 retitle 43942 message-insert-signature vs. always at the bottom reassign 43942 emacs submitter 43942 =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson severity 43942 wishlist tag 43942 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 12 01:49:20 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2020 05:49:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41417 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRqhz-00031n-Mw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 01:49:19 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRqhy-00031f-3k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:49:12 -0700 (PDT) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a93 From: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: message-insert-signature vs. always at the bottom Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 13:49:09 +0800 Message-ID: <87ft6k3sfe.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: 0 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrheeigddutdduucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtgfesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnjjnnjcuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepudeuveevffeugeeitedvudelgfdtledvvdeludelheehleejveetteejjeetgeeknecuffhomhgrihhnpegvlhdrihhtnecukfhppeduudegrdeguddruddurddvieenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhinhgvthepuddugedrgedurdduuddrvdeipdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeeprehuthhfqdekreeureehiehmpfehnfhiheehsgevkeerpecuffgrnhculfgrtghosghsohhnuceojhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrgheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhiuggrnhhnihesjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpnhhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqghhnuhdqvghmrggtshesghhnuhdrohhrgh Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.212.3; envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=anteater.elm.relay.mailchannels.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/12 01:49:13 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) C-c C-w runs the command message-insert-signature (found in message-mode-map), which is an interactive compiled Lisp function = in =E2=80=98message.el=E2=80=99. It is bound to C-c C-w, . (message-insert-signature &optional FORCE) Mention what's that FORCE is all about. User cannot tell from this page. Insert a signature. See documentation for variable =E2=80=98messa= ge-signature=E2=80=99. OK but there really should be a way of allowing the user to plant the signature anywhere in the page, not always just at the end. E.g., C-u C-c C-w could tell emacs "Assume point is the end of the buffer, and do the same actions you would do there, here." Currently one has to move the signature manually from where C-c C-w planted it at the bottom of the buffer. Sure, usually it is fine at the bottom of the buffer, but sometimes we want to place it elsewhere. emacs-version "26.3" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 12 21:18:15 2020 Received: (at 43942) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2020 01:18:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44498 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8xD-0005tZ-Jy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:18:15 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8x9-0005tI-Ue for 43942@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:18:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5bHiRY7a5PWtZ3D/sg0cghcz/DeS9TER+t80HV/uTh8=; b=jXIJmWX/rPo4xFJBz/NxA9xvee i7nTF7Gl8suRwPLBteQHrjJxQwWL4OUmOk1U2HDiLK59g4O8HYqwD/xWqEINvl61Mn2JoXDa1WZi3 mRnPyyxI/tlR8CyfIJfyz9sJpE6Ia9w5E/Z6kbmL6IqqxCGkmOQwEe68pT0ryw9XR74c=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8wz-0000E1-Ty; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 03:18:05 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson Subject: Re: bug#43942: message-insert-signature vs. always at the bottom References: <87ft6k3sfe.5.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Now-Playing: Figurine's _Transportation + Communication = Love_: "New Millenium Song" Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 03:18:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ft6k3sfe.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (=?utf-8?B?IuepjeS4ueWwvA==?= Dan Jacobson"'s message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2020 13:49:09 +0800") Message-ID: <87tuuyappz.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson writes: > OK but there really should be a way of allowing the user to plant the > signature anywhere in the page, not always just at the end. That doesn't seem very useful, and the command is documented (in the manual) to put it at the end. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43942 Cc: 43942@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson writes: > OK but there really should be a way of allowing the user to plant the > signature anywhere in the page, not always just at the end. That doesn't seem very useful, and the command is documented (in the manual) to put it at the end. I've adjusted the doc string, and I'm closing this bug report. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 12 21:18:23 2020 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Oct 2020 01:18:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44501 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8xK-0005tv-TO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:18:23 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8xG-0005tQ-03 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 21:18:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dreCMXHJV97gOtNO1XS6gM4krOr5flcMmtsEuLhl+s0=; b=a4uTd3sR8Q37XJFbMZgN9kSKZu a1UwfYRbNpoSP+d2O9NAu4knvO47g8zdqVGCs+1AzpAsPFC0UTX32VminUjkvngFYL0ACUCCqFZ6w we9HWQdWC3TVZENi4syu347QsOl9wgHfvolDU+QEKLahbPP/Og9U/0WTup9yt4OedWSk=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kS8x8-0000GY-9s for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2020 03:18:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 03:18:09 +0200 Message-Id: <87sgaiappq.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #43942 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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LI> I've adjusted the doc string, and I'm closing this bug report. Fine, all signatures shall go at the very end of miles of quoted material, and never just at the end of one's response at the top. And all responses shall go at the bottom of miles of quoted material. As everybody always puts their response there. Even if it is after miles of quoted material. From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:24:56 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 12:24:07 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator