From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 16:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16022625654988 (code B ref -1); Fri, 09 Oct 2020 16:57:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2020 16:56:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36130 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQvgY-0001IL-Kd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:56:05 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:37392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQvgU-0001Hv-Pu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:56:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQvgU-0008Vb-Ff for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:55:58 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:44879) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQvgO-0007zI-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:55:57 -0400 Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1) by stw1.rcdrun.com with UTF8ESMTPSA id 000000000005A152.000000005F8095F0.00007EC3; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:55:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000CA6F8.000000005F809389.000031C3; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 18:44:57 +0200 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 18:44:57 +0200 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=admin@protected.rcdrun.com; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/09 12:55:14 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 32 X-Spam_score: 3.2 X-Spam_bar: +++ X-Spam_report: (3.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: I see this when HELLO is displayed: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 16, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.12, cairo version 1.14.8) of 2020-10-01 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 0aa1e2d9d03cf4c10b58c64067620bb99a41f9 [...] Content analysis details: (4.7 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom; id=admin%40protected.rcdrun.com; ip=209.51.188.17; r=debbugs.gnu.org] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [197.157.0.35 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4 RBL: Very Good reputation (+4) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.35 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders 0.7 SUBJ_OBFU_PUNCT_FEW Possible punctuation-obfuscated Subject: header X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: I see this when HELLO is displayed: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 16, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.12, cairo version 1.14.8) of 2020-10-01 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 0aa1e2d9d03cf4c10b58c64067620bb99a41f9 [...] Content analysis details: (3.7 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [197.157.0.35 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4 RBL: Very Good reputation (+4) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.35 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=admin%40protected.rcdrun.com;ip=209.51.188.17;r=debbugs.gnu.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager 0.7 SUBJ_OBFU_PUNCT_FEW Possible punctuation-obfuscated Subject: header I see this when HELLO is displayed: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 16, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.12, cairo version 1.14.8) of 2020-10-01 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 0aa1e2d9d03cf4c10b58c64067620bb99a41f9e9 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11907000 System Description: Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/package/text/emacs-2020-10-01 --with-modules --without-gpm' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=exwm-xim locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: enriched-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t timeclock-mode-line-display: t strokes-mode: t show-paren-mode: t immortal-scratch-mode: t helm-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t display-time-mode: t display-battery-mode: t jabber-activity-mode: t persistent-scratch-autosave-mode: t async-bytecomp-package-mode: t text-scale-mode: t save-place-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t use-hard-newlines: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) unarchive 33178 forcemerge 33178 43887 From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160235916627484 (code B ref 43887); Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:47:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2020 19:46:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp 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([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRKoS-0005sy-Mo; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 21:45:55 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: David Sylvian's _Sleepwalkers_: "Ballad Of A Deadman" Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 21:45:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Fri, 09 Oct 2020 18:44:57 +0200") Message-ID: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Jean Louis writes: > I see this when HELLO is displayed: > > Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa (the language). Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jean Louis writes: > I see this when HELLO is displayed: > > Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa (the language). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Andrea Corallo Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 20:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160235995128740 (code B ref 43887); Sat, 10 Oct 2020 20:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2020 19:59:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRL1K-0007TU-QN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:59:10 -0400 Received: from mab.sdf.org ([205.166.94.33]:38348 helo=ma.sdf.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRL1I-0007TL-U4 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 15:59:09 -0400 Received: from akrl by ma.sdf.org with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRL17-0005Jp-S3; Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:58:57 +0000 From: Andrea Corallo References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 19:58:57 +0000 In-Reply-To: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 10 Oct 2020 21:45:51 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Jean Louis writes: > >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: >> >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); > > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa > (the language). FWIW I must admit I really liked it the first time I've seen it :) Andrea From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160240709721994 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:05:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2020 09:04:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRXHl-0005ig-EI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 05:04:57 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]:39055) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRXHg-0005iR-Qv for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 05:04:55 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f48.google.com with SMTP id lw21so19081800ejb.6 for <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:04:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RWfP7GuCKvKxQ6ZOyfQDw+16+odGwwdbpveoGrB29IY=; b=eWFCQcjKl2NwMPGQqNs2sVHjpYjD4aFEauig1ihPOuOBAh+aCXdWYnPWSJ2GFBfcbu 5Nc8tQWeAQQniT20DHDFB9one8rLydw9fVvhCpYSJ2ilUSOSUX93kkgSXRvOk8QY9c3D y/67rIz0YI6p2bZUu3jJHHaBcMnw1nlgTGewQXDnz9vRIbxJJQnw60PZOtHekrSgDd0s k915YKudguOrOO4z4Uxw7HV0VnWMdMyzd3orRZuEsH5W/J5Bus0IKwh4uTZTYHB7v5uf kbE85UeO+gryIERNMfCe0vlpYfkkeybBIjttpRCckurjGPHBEvEUKuPE6AEERxZm+zcN oOAw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RWfP7GuCKvKxQ6ZOyfQDw+16+odGwwdbpveoGrB29IY=; b=Ei2vdYIT0lgkpNgPQ6RBMsvfCTfnyulnyZ/N34W4V6WR9mlFhrxy4zW0fWVRVKX+Of 44l9N4S/0i0DblSgNiU2iQnJkNK16cmUmJ8eThsWRypcI4G5v9U2kVNJ9DJ58QpNcRvY ft9VHkFofCY2Qmy75sgddsgMetNeZ11ct0IJTEciOp9t15eh4rXOYpg6KJTaH9wYRmEq jg/I0YrI3hoe9vbHOwPAU5MN/pp11tYsZm2eGgWlfoidm13M8NfXjeE4eHVeR5E8IW+I D6XRuZBMXTdj/kEx1kuJYZgiNg+f46wPRibQutP6OLDvj7UZaonHLxfCkw9Twm06BSa0 fz4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5311wboAYf3/RZ/6aMGZi+fcaVmK7IUKaEcxmzxiAMFxCAqkeRKv y4vBFitoJodOESLMkrRZRFjhSro+uM3jVKABgeQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzAlmq+hJT22wJ9d1U7ohg8fJASi6AC6R3dd2W26KFx3TZcBTLTjgCIzBx/LcOwj96rVxqZI4yrJhJhCZoxnsU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:bc91:: with SMTP id lv17mr23546622ejb.249.1602407086907; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:04:45 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: >> >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); > > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa > (the language). So should we remove the joke or just close this bug? From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160240737222429 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2020 09:09:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39110 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRXMC-0005ph-74 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 05:09:32 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:60934) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRXMA-0005pR-01 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 05:09:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nABkNY9vcj2o824V35vWRliA/YsYje7iUKIplZt01Ao=; b=jTVTtyZAwMDu/0zfLbXzqsbpga pT+lY6D/wTleK11Qceul5KGWWJ44GNMNeDjsieHDI0HsW8Mnl3QAW2Jj+PZv73DVVJpFESTy3lj3S EFw+EjDWrFb7FqvJaJCkg9NEMfejY8I3Tt8ObqaFYIfx6Y0slOJNjfsqtmicEIkPwlRk=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRXM0-0008Cv-Sg; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:09:23 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEUnKjYZIS5ASleO dWHr6+z///9OnJFWAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+QKCwkIHXi+scoAAAGjSURBVDjLXVPb gcQgCATSAMk1QHALSPQq2Ev/NR0PE93lIxFGZhARYLZ1XYER7TtM4svxW3nEW2lng9ba6fDMorpX EFUEQKMbGK6MruGRFbZ9ZDA9a+aCj0NoACUDamUomvVArQ8vNmOidoSzHcp3OZsG2sJdjGoTRs/f QkGjdDiAgFV4d4me2TxhN0C4gAPSayi5yQDgYgD3Q9BJSl6GaW/Oqx1YqulY0X7Ahrpi4U5VtVqT 1BjpsFJluTP27LkXXwWp6J4NKRnzrvgJkbeT7ysqsfh9583l+eDnhNCFcl1/OgF9OyyX2z4BW43a fgM4JyCJ6EpgnYCwVwKu8gF0JrPnumiSvuUTkInJ7I3zYPxcw/4Y8Fu650zSY3urGjafujW1QU/D FDemJhH8KNX6WvNNGIWI2G3eVDbRoMNESJ9H4Hd7UPwJqM9t+rocvhvUBiAzboZSfVYk2XpcPOn1 Fk0vAB1k4uRK4cRgdrLXO3aTS1gq0a3hQAg7McgoP3eU3qv5XFP8A2jTegDGc3dcq+XBvZytGh/U 76j5FmhQH9lP8B+HYF6mU3NQTAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0xMC0xMVQwOTowODoy OSswMDowMAPKD9QAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMTAtMTFUMDk6MDg6MjkrMDA6MDBy l7doAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Mice Parade's _Mice Parade_: "Double Dolphins on the Nickel" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:09:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 02:04:45 -0700") Message-ID: <877drxgmdd.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > So should we remove the joke or just close this bug? I think the bug's closed already? The joke is amusing (unless you're from that region), so it should probably stay, I guess. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > So should we remove the joke or just close this bug? I think the bug's closed already? The joke is amusing (unless you're from that region), so it should probably stay, I guess. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160242063319425 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2020 12:50:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRao5-00053E-4c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:50:33 -0400 Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=47947 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRao2-000535-Vx for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:50:31 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3F.000000005F82FF95.0000221C; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:50:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:49:23 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Stefan Kangas [2020-10-11 12:05]: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: > >> > >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugen [...] Content analysis details: (2.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.35 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Stefan Kangas [2020-10-11 12:05]: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: > >> > >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugen [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.35 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager * Stefan Kangas [2020-10-11 12:05]: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: > >> > >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); > > > > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa > > (the language). > > So should we remove the joke or just close this bug? >From view point of Jawa people, they will probably not understand Java programming language. >From view point that Java is large island, with large number of people there, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java reference to 145 millions, if I would be one of those, I would not understand it, and we can also think that some could be negatively impacted that their language is written that way. Thus from their viewpoint, joke could not be understood. That page may be most welcoming page among all. Myself I cannot assume that everybody uses Emacs for programming, even if I do, but cannot assume that. I have been spending quite nice time in Agrigento, Italy, using Emacs for writing book and articles. Myself I cannot speak for people on that island, you could ask them if that is alright. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160242094619887 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2020 12:55:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRat7-0005Ah-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:55:45 -0400 Received: from [95.85.24.50] (port=52839 helo=static.rcdrun.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRat6-0005Aa-L4 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:55:45 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.35]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3F.000000005F8300CE.00002291; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:55:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:54:23 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201011125423.GF2923@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <877drxgmdd.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877drxgmdd.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2020-10-11 12:09]: > Stefan Kangas writes: > > > So should we remove the joke or just close this bug? > > I think the bug's closed alread [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [197.157.0.35 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.3 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2020-10-11 12:09]: > Stefan Kangas writes: > > > So should we remove the joke or just close this bug? > > I think the bug's closed already? The joke is amusing (unless you're > from that region), so it should probably stay, I guess. Removing joke is lack of humour. It would not be good to remove it. On the other hand, 145 millions people there don't get proper "Hello", so that is still a bug. Sorry, I was thinking it was some programming mistake, I never thought of Java programming language, as I don't use it. I am proposing to make a button on Javanese Jawa line, so that their Hello remains there, but if user presses the button, that the joke appears. (defun button-pressed (button) (message (format "Hello!"))) (define-button-type 'custom-button 'action 'button-pressed 'follow-link t 'help-echo "Click Button" 'help-args "test") (make-button 1 10 :type 'custom-button) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Jean Louis Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160242411024785 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2020 13:48:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbiA-0006Rg-5L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:48:30 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:34761) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kRbi8-0006RR-QW for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:48:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1602424071; bh=X2IpGMgRq3FayNDeLeS9+LeAgNbTupVbqFKpR7Jez1g=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=LJmWgKg8SJwuOXn4LhsVJdSEAGCQZeZN9aMa7R33qtJX/IkDG4Gjx2COJLwhfse9V xoWlCjCrc0aB+dzmPutwgjBq3MRms6jw6yXsxS3KyoTgWD9uGV4zzhq5jFruLcWcdL jl/U2dDcpsIIcJ7dvcqNPOSRTAAoCzurcD170XdY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([178.20.94.165]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MTzf6-1krYqj0d7K-00R5HY; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:47:51 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <877drxgmdd.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011125423.GF2923@protected.rcdrun.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:47:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20201011125423.GF2923@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:54:23 +0300") Message-ID: <87k0vwoovu.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ro1fJockVP2TC9vyVlENZWNrm0QA8854wGIsv2mB7FtDH7ArHeI KYCFhhApAPnu8hpXIPx2LzKnmMDrbPyp7LTiOYMAh3JPVAWLoaXwQG0T5UwSV0D9aSlfcaY FA8mEOArx2valcyJ+4Z2Jfxd09VWOGtnLG0JSgpp8R39PQl/H4QgV37w54OCCJbdoaXKSw7 lq5dqk4DdYHKJKkW/Fpuw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AudxAMWrxYs=:JK4cjLO8dwKv+2SJVEo83v nUEOSjVZN/SxUm0Zfe3quG8hEqf4FnsskH+wwi6de3WeC57jjKGVomPaemqZnJKteQd2haoMQ 7+cg4FQLAHuTU7jrQaj3/+V7NVecFzO1EXnGrv57dHWmBzgA8k6JH09WjoA2tG8RPDVoQufkE ZrR/i09BVsw9ijFOwj1LxMyjYr0AspHvsL9/r053zhlA3zcFsGrpp9Wl3Cyl1c5od7E2bUMHi nTL/KFDLUiFbsJD454dYEu7/uWrPZ2CW8+gu5/JHFK6djQhzuYXG3kgCJRef/CYz8aSyA1rkV 3V8y3jRLNd9ALyCvaZ0w/wZMidWLiBEQfVNY9ovAzMmHNHQ1aN1Kt9QbLoNp2lxY/nlRzAFUb ADDVJh7yF0vQuvMEWDBZ1T+D1fkA+lOLkB8CHozAErrDbya4J6OQLjfh4EGomAur+3SlTv8Tn Npl8H6bzQmpN3BpZQVsuWutgwV+GraK16NQ5w9aXb0xPediN35EUTnIu+dMaZit/SaryU6BOj yDeQaBdjGpk1141+TXoIW4qlXnmixnq4b36KhURYzorpEidsMxAJ7Ah3Zs263TFLadHBu7Hp0 IMs/YqeOsCOU6dCIrOpAxjLzaSUUUZoZABDbQx2aT4NegRourbujpRqciBD5C9w00Siv+zE4E 97HRWv2uo5o4twFqAuSBDBWn/JyfXsvo28aCjZ14Eo+x9x2Ow92eLA1pYm2p/FaaZCOzZog7M dKMxkgkMWnDQL1laYO6NH6Bc7jjoR1CCfVxYWcQ24RpWup9y2hc3qQ+AOEDt7wknFqKsMtEbi dFEFWo6dv+JUk2f8dWlSVCdky5TgZarCekRtWG4X3mZl2ObZHA+5+CpZd9vtr6k2gtGpVHuxK NWOBkJxoJUTj8hILgKM+JLCh6l7upF+O/77FYPWUl1uBpnCLhghE1ZlgDAFR10vRlWLuR4auU LyV135RJNELLqqxCZYicJFBeKNbyUj4EXH/VXuOn43xpyynjLSitwGYSVQ4cFgsC3o2DdD3Vz qFbwt6XfdRl0uf7wq68RUbHxhGa3hxXK9K03KPGxqtLgaoaNFdm/jNAGSiJp73myboGq6PFQs Iyvr6GdQEovSNvPAtEVnEl6aXgFlLGYlXRIdVm4pOWNVMZqnSwZtuOOm2K67EujA4cVaR47Bu zC6NZviVcspswgQZifys17eix+qV6Yf6bjXomHN+A0Et8b/qyFfTOJdn3Fq/Xj5bExbCwY7+T VkTVEgIHL8usp76QXrISFDkX+HcVQACrHIzbpvQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Jean Louis writes: >> I think the bug's closed already? The joke is amusing (unless you're >> from that region), so it should probably stay, I guess. > > Removing joke is lack of humour. > > It would not be good to remove it. > > On the other hand, 145 millions people there don't get proper "Hello", > so that is still a bug. Pls don't let us overreact. There are many jokes I don't understand - I won't request to remove them. Emacs would be a boring place if I understand everything. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Jean Louis Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16030532177415 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2020 20:33:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39153 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFN3-0001vX-BL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:33:37 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:42223) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFMm-0001uz-Qp for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:33:35 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72D50E0004; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:33:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:33:00 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:49:23 +0300") Message-ID: <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: >> >> >> >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); >> > >> > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa >> > (the language). Indeed, that was a stupid joke as these reports indicate. The name of the programming language refers to coffee, not to the language of people inhabiting the island. > From view point of Jawa people, they will probably not understand Java > programming language. > > From view point that Java is large island, with large number of people > there, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java reference to 145 > millions, if I would be one of those, I would not understand it, and > we can also think that some could be negatively impacted that their > language is written that way. Thus from their viewpoint, joke could > not be understood. I completely agree. The etc/HELLO was intended to be not a place for dubious jokes, but a file that demonstrates to users that non-ASCII characters of their scripts are supported in Emacs. So for languages whose greetings don't contain non-ASCII letters, such non-ASCII letters are presented in their language names. This is the case for français, español, slovenščina, Türkçe. But there is no point in showing ASCII-only letters for Javanese. So I replaced this line with the proper Javanese script, and now Javanese people will enjoy seeing that their script is supported by Emacs. > I am proposing to make a button on Javanese Jawa line, so that their > Hello remains there, but if user presses the button, that the joke appears. Feel free to add such a button if you want. PS: While at it, I also added support for Belarusian language in etc/HELLO. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:30:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix To: Juri Linkov Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160305656512657 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:30:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2020 21:29:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39171 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUGF3-0003I5-9X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:29:25 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:44429) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUGF1-0003Hw-If for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 17:29:24 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.141.103]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3F.000000005F8CB3AF.000032B9; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:29:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:29:12 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Juri Linkov [2020-10-18 23:33]: > >> >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: > >> >> > >> >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); > >> > > >> > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa > >> > (the language). > > Indeed, that was a stupid joke as these reports indicate. > The name of the programming language refers to coffee, > not to the language of people inhabiting the island. The coffee comes from there, and my dictionary says that Java is often used as word for coffee in United States, somebody can confirm. > PS: While at it, I also added support for Belarusian language in > etc/HELLO. If it is nice, then fine, yet too many similar cyrilics are not necessary in the file, as purpose is to show how it handles characters, there are so many languages out there, it would not be good to have too many with same kind of alphabets. 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Content preview: reopen 43887 tags 43887 - notabug wontfix close 43887 28.1 thanks Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.218.47 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.218.47 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager 2.0 BLANK_SUBJECT Subject is present but empty 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different reopen 43887 tags 43887 - notabug wontfix close 43887 28.1 thanks From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 03:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160307922014363 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 03:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 03:47:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUM8R-0003jJ-MV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:46:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35242) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUM8P-0003eV-Up for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:46:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUM8J-0006cW-LK; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:46:51 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUM8I-00056Q-6l; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:46:50 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:29:12 +0300) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:46:50 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I wrote some code in Java once. It was in the Lisp language, but I was in Java at the time. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rms@gnu.org, Jean Louis Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160308216720954 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 04:36:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUMtz-0005Ru-33 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:36:07 -0400 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:50350) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUMtx-0005RN-Aq for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:36:05 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09J4Yv4n083576; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:35:59 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=2RLuCLNRJM6oCGLq7pSc9KJFPOB3vF8qqsX1i8b0TkQ=; b=REIpHt5MQnmd3ABlFSjMa1PaKczrvxorQ/ltK3SjPWiX0GEnu328oO1f0Eslugm9Vhcs b9g+jA6XdiFsHASlQrl4WaPaP71Hp9zoXSroeTydv4OaNPTp2rCdRlajnUnbGsKeuK0n Yc5vwe0q35TVaKHFky09BxHP2jda6h7q6YD1a1vdYMY1J/n/uQQrJFOl3JWvLsc8pWs7 rX2ZqSzxIM6MUqo6atyjPPgvsiSOfwfqii1BJJe4BnlWTyJackkYKww9Ovpnjq8awjl1 42eShaaTpx1nyEMZ2vcZnCBjRBwrNXpBeAFlZiyMgDE2kpUYPc1i/4IUefs8ls8vRnuQ Mg== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 347p4akhd7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:35:59 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09J4TThU074290; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:35:59 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 348agvpjby-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:35:59 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09J4ZqHP012581; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:35:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9778 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=830 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010190036 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9778 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 clxscore=1011 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=863 impostorscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010190036 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I wrote some code in Java once. > It was in the Lisp language, but I was in Java at the time. Feature request: Lisp to have its own country. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160308849731941 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 06:21:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39678 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUOY5-0008J7-F7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 02:21:37 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:40073) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUOY4-0008Iz-3o for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 02:21:36 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3E.000000005F8D306D.000022F2; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:21:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:21:30 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201019062130.GB5209@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Richard Stallman [2020-10-19 06:47]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I wrote some code in Java once. > It was in the Lisp language, but I was in Java at the time. Buahahaha. I also wish to write in Java one day. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160309528911524 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 08:14:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39863 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQJc-0002zo-Nm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:14:48 -0400 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:52353) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQJa-0002zU-0F for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:14:47 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E41A824001A; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:14:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:55:08 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 00:29:12 +0300") Message-ID: <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> PS: While at it, I also added support for Belarusian language in >> etc/HELLO. > > If it is nice, then fine, yet too many similar cyrilics are not > necessary in the file, as purpose is to show how it handles > characters, there are so many languages out there, it would not be > good to have too many with same kind of alphabets. You may not recognize this, but the word was intended to contain a Cyrillic diacritic to demonstrate that Emacs has no problem in using diacritics in Cyrillic. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160309530611608 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 08:15:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39866 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQJg-000306-V2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:15:06 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:56173) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQJe-0002ze-K4 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:14:50 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDC821BF203; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:14:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:59:41 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:46:50 -0400") Message-ID: <87zh4iir2q.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I wrote some code in Java once. > It was in the Lisp language, but I was in Java at the time. Last Friday I had to rewrite some legacy Java code in Ruby. The length of original Java code was about 50 lines. After rewriting in Ruby it takes only 3 lines! (Ruby is much more Lisp language than Java.) It would be a disservice to associate a group of people with such a notoriously bad programming language as Java. Anyway, now I relieved from the responsibility for such controversy. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160309530711614 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 08:15:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39870 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQJu-00031B-Mz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:15:06 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:44499) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQJj-0002zx-SG for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:14:56 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE2C8E0006; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:14:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:01:45 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2020 21:35:50 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87lfg2iqza.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> I wrote some code in Java once. >> It was in the Lisp language, but I was in Java at the time. > > Feature request: Lisp to have its own country. Not a country, but a natural language. So you can add Lisp to etc/HELLO, if you are a native speaker of Lisp. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160309556512097 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 08:19:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39891 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQO5-000393-2V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:19:25 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:43689) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUQO3-00038v-Oz for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 04:19:24 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0BF4.000000005F8D4C07.0000374F; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:19:18 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:19:08 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201019081908.GD13015@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Juri Linkov [2020-10-19 11:15]: > >> PS: While at it, I also added support for Belarusian language in > >> etc/HELLO. > > > > If it is nice, then fine, yet too many similar cyrilics are not > > necessary in the file, as purpose is to show how it handles > > characters, there are so many languages out there, it would not be > > good to have too many with same kind of alphabets. > > You may not recognize this, but the word was intended to contain > a Cyrillic diacritic to demonstrate that Emacs has no problem > in using diacritics in Cyrillic. I know that, I do not protest. I just say that one of Cyrillic or let us say 2 of them are enough, as Cyrillic is similar in many countries. First alphabet I learned was Cyrillic, by the way. I cannot be possibly against it, just it can be too much that overrides the purpose of showing characters. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160310082313629 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 09:47:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40058 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kURkt-0003Xl-HF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 05:47:03 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:41397) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kURks-0003XE-Fz for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 05:47:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603100784; bh=IAJLLj9GwJNiDW4fJ/JuMjhTbOjscqWvob6qCA42l3A=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=TIJ8u5dC/o1IJwj6TOsGsg1BhFH30aDm2KZE9f7TxsI/drNc8n7M82t1XCfDN8i13 zTQYBNyu4GjSJtdHNGvt3zzi77u4bxv/VtbLwsm7/vcaTHO5fWhjgSDMNkhpLuedjQ Vd3X7brvLnLQBK8OtT11PCubs0uB7p+iHPuI3rTM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.91.242.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MfpOd-1jxL330sFV-00gLC4; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:46:24 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:46:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:33:00 +0300") Message-ID: <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Z5JXT/XEd3RlTRV63BDhFliU4F1yXH8HiRJOz1vLflUr+2shhNS J+QBS2svR2XFyy3yd794PlasF3LvnBNyT+vORUeIALn0BJ9hb5qqs/lLRKMu1bU9MSHtGTo JeSvGwM93vp3IXDS/RsRtihxKmNh5yX/sJ7TIVUE5jdV+Z+3CBMTHZpJsRNz6TZqdzD5Ika 11AfwfqZ2Hz+o0zl67OeA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:uo6BGOatE10=:dNLtS3FzYoGEJuEGgelqYI tHgkiObSm5tTJ1vB7ixxdjBm96lp1GQdfIl8jRKOKwcVBIka/i2NKLCnbFONIlJX66AsCS6UW 4DC/kiyuSt3pms7wOXG4FztKU6AxRtYT/rIdbaywSBn9pAjWUePd43zCOFm24ELW6cLksx/w7 ZM2pgn4Wk8uTs8pfuamq4Mc/yyYR/FcyMxd/E4Cd3iWqcVkhsWJTiltUkj1pg6dtrJ01JKNXO wt4kqdOTGaUcc4/bhqYczsHg+esX5s7h/3zBaPEKd+B8SZ+OLlUYk6Nm5sVfiyD+u4p8e5mqD Gao15CmvQXg4MeyjKC9zRu7MDrbTFeK+wgDKOFsvPX5pMyTY6NsVIQ5NDJiip9DuhFo3tzW0f +uPifI3svDI0QJiDFgVqFzoifyPTUevgtUzikkef4CM5VCwd5ciUUtxtrVg6zpqeOvcKYy873 sMK54sa1vG+GN+Gq6QPJ7LmxdEUX6bDMbOfOrcTlTq342+uML5w62RKqp0PhOu2joHP3DutuO P8R6BDdZXgLG/8bxefLDBIvr/IPpcLCGCNYaXJJbYvbw5kT3EkkaDU2RQuAQbQsirCuyqhzsG 1PX0rSe5t84VixlFti7PP8DgbTnONLt22FQ+XMWwxy69T6EguNCxkqaxyQe7Dq0L30u+zKzZL 0kocgybAReRW0j93E5pXffIMrT050mXKTKTmz+3FQO9LAdh/2j+Egl0r5xXzryaT96DN3aaf2 15NwHS3rjLQ/4x2efk5+KRa+oJZQGA3OKYPPzD2dP4KtBY6crFyMUKd3CorwIUZReRWcIy2P7 cjGtb7Xb2f3gmvdnkEbE19odddKVk07rEuWseJ9Pd5j63mqWL9SmrKqqK9mL2pcXNndYeSMai Fz3lPjq4g7Z1DvG6WWMQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Juri Linkov writes: Hi, > Indeed, that was a stupid joke as these reports indicate. > The name of the programming language refers to coffee, > not to the language of people inhabiting the island. It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? I don't believe so. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160311862230438 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 14:43:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42007 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWNy-0007ur-GJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:43:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55398) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWNx-0007ue-4C for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:43:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35107) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWNq-00075V-Ab; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:43:34 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1299 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWNp-00079o-Pm; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:43:34 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:43:38 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1pup97p.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:55:08 +0300) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:55:08 +0300 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , > 43887@debbugs.gnu.org > > > If it is nice, then fine, yet too many similar cyrilics are not > > necessary in the file, as purpose is to show how it handles > > characters, there are so many languages out there, it would not be > > good to have too many with same kind of alphabets. > > You may not recognize this, but the word was intended to contain > a Cyrillic diacritic to demonstrate that Emacs has no problem > in using diacritics in Cyrillic. That's okay, but then maybe we should remove some other Cyrillic line there, because the file is really for showing off scripts, not languages (if it were the latter, we'd need to make it orders of magnitude longer). Btw, how is that diacritics different from what we have on the Russian line? From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031192587049 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 14:54:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWYA-0001pa-R0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWY9-0001pO-CG for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWY3-0008Pc-2D; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:07 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1944 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWY2-0007wr-8a; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:54:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:54:13 +0300 Message-Id: <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:46:22 +0200) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:46:22 +0200 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , > Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org > > Juri Linkov writes: > > It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall > we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? I certainly hope we won't. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031194867472 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 14:58:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWbu-0001wS-0R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:35699) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWbr-0001vo-FF for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:58:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603119445; bh=W5PfhoBmkdoKWk5qgJjrNJ9JXgeG+RsGtLsx/23Q/Mc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=GorTxCBjg4Ky9vPcerkcVydUknDCj8CrO1RxWJ2hz6rPsBvN4yhR/m16DzZ2HUhNm UlxqLiekAdEejgxR2N43WBbivwYppU7LkOYsza/m7O5tahGyJfQLDhPUFtzGUMVhg7 Hl+v1nSxyZnFQwWtmnwDt3WqZRpHub5xAVQ4W7kE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.91.242.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mn2aD-1k38Ta0hOh-00k74K; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:57:25 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:57:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:54:13 +0300") Message-ID: <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:cGj0e9iz6nSNKDFBPLj7T1hQQX+cdImDTsix9CTIVUwxjXnp2U/ NkB0Za8KB4PJBeOL6R38uL+0o7UTc4j2Ar0aMqO/brDd5quiTgVm0/DJA77kzXZZPrEaMHt hmRSpN1ODen+COwVata8pkA19O8m5+PLqI/4Nrp6u+R/YutVSRwFbvkpsG2lrWSZS1T4NJs AnaZolGxpJX9Jz0K6soIg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:83b3vY9KEiY=:czx6HaBpESpi6uv5KX92Qg dBhPLEgWrVRQLh4knhKxI5vwiyfJ/MPFxhURTciUnxPO9vyAUfkSPpiJU4qsExHt1k5hpylNm A9ui7WX5TMwCGJ/Y79h9C+iqL1mKHgXK035I7vtKzNkTUwT7ZROQ333ejUx0MovOoejwd89ap RAjLubYIFJl69UDX61q6zpqkofnz0Bp1kr60zLWCtUYiFz+XYK+MMblj1GVSS+MW05Pdy5MnF rEPy51zMqO9o+S702+E8lt7PjHdKRk7jZMoqDcOD3BArk0kVh2mf86tnYCZHgabehHc35Rxhb ZrzyxY8sLRDyv1/tXEMccefGffUBNGTlpjt2zbwVOWNltlDMxz85FnniCRblie7OgW8gQG1Qz dXuAgAoyUGCr8ziLYQHEtE7NQ4Wwe9BazsW0bTt1/YQfqWmKbEc/zAxAHGuioOWfRa/d4apoV 9NJjjqUcDkGG/qs6VWhvz0USMeiyyBs1uuSNpUKNy1ttMID7VGXmd0ctZ3De1Ss4mYkrWTMzS S4qf9AzurvO+P13uFKePyqYsnyynp8YSHPUCWojqLS5S9WPheOXO8uan/f9ritg+3oDJJ4E5q /hT/D8ST+insWiPa9xzBXa1+t6OliJL7Q3bJ5+OMPgbquIi/qtsIg6VSL9vXr0jnCMDahP87t PW8YSDP2WzQhOJfYDuoDBBTmh8C6igCnqnluuNArteMy5vm/gEKfwZpUev/oButYKMkjGaX4m +IyAPtNiBJir/U54q7WFFx44t6P+Ka1VT89rOR3ABbymm0KlgMCKLd+jcjulk/dCvJFvtEVWC QVxHvjoX0bp0CBOKguzm4okn6EKVRsCq4FHrrxdUZoH76bF5ijvIff2Yh5QonMpvau0dK2paz +ZxQX5MuV/mpGPZ7nzQQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall >> we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? > > I certainly hope we won't. So we can revert this change in etc/HELLO? Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031200918478 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 15:08:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42031 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWla-0002Cb-Tx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:08:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWlZ-0002C7-2h for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:08:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWlS-0001yC-BS; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:07:58 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2792 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWlR-0002ID-JL; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:07:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:08:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7qqp82z.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:57:23 +0200) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: juri@linkov.net, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:57:23 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall > >> we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? > > > > I certainly hope we won't. > > So we can revert this change in etc/HELLO? I would be in favor of reverting it, yes. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031207139487 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 15:18:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWvg-0002Sn-Hz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:18:33 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:45015) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUWve-0002Sb-P3 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:18:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603120672; bh=4rO6ghijE+i24LnEbOHN1O0E/aEsjNnQejxSUbxbRM0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=H2bsC21nTlgS0r3vRP8ZckS5a10b+1Bj9Uca2Kju9fqauJw00rvekiSA8wR4Vd47K G1A8BBBxcwpWQaDjCHdqEnlOQEAgZ+e1mQLZmEsLGZOR6UNF8Yz8rPXa40yFPXCLk8 DQadaTRNQZqNol6BTczsliZMhGMijzsTwr8iCvP4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.91.242.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N95eJ-1kPDNP1U2B-0165gl; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:17:52 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <83h7qqp82z.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:17:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83h7qqp82z.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:08:04 +0300") Message-ID: <87wnzmw8gy.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Ex287XhtUlPASIha2Al2kpwjHJLZDMIxxFnNSpy+NtuTckofw2G ZOC0ve/ayHC/Cw/1FKSwu3hK2+GGHkK+N0I0NhPgZ0PUBU24MB2Dd62zHm1/v3EW0QVKBSy SSvacFQZv00qInDYFwl46IJ3e+Yy0XE/rmG4H9g5sriMYYHW/LbxZSSHIvaohOJ0y35dSt6 Pls7vaZQxDbAmnH71uuwQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Fcku9z0OlW4=:WJd6fvazSmUxrg5HeR40Ai X4Xu/ucH4fh6eeIY9dW4wAdVCSAk2DbBsHUo4rEBblQvAstH1hUca6h/sqebiOdk4D9d57V4y vaKNCEjN5Y+svw+/NyK6cHvlaBhOk8LiTHT34LoqndmZVNqh9ZndjdagDGAnleA26Xa6W+3pr CbjZ2iVQOF+YS6/208VXpAkOskOMM9o7qhZaXxEBsBUYNhC+pcL/fUUSQ75Ndqf860S9An2/z wtTg7WWw6QZQMqiGukJQdV7+H6viewHNlqcuFPAeU+wftMKbOAiSBMl+AGClE5KwkV+cc6tZf tr5owtYeICpvHbXbyk2Sj8CMqbD3bnvlZC8sMDRqIm8HOT0eELR9G0Zm/JR4018KfaBfQ3b3C 2YEFJf4Gw/V9QFEl/mVb/ED9zRYJ1avr18ypq0BK2htcV7e6HcA3yZUwacBBqJv3qTOnnCgYL OykLZ75flupnBqTkxJge8uMTDDwq+Kyzew5XRKeAiCOgqDf9U9a1aWJTiBWxeNdDZ/2Oyu6Xe ELa4Key+WQqqlzcnkZvPS2gqEWrxkUyEwV4T+NP/KxnQohHQR3HtQa2IFEIuE5JlnALhs5Nag K6Y/GnGeFu9Fbfgj0a3tHuiGoc+hAJD6rWC1jEfjRLykxbiIflycnGAWixaiCt10h3TPC8ORb OeVY/aepuggmNKM/SlidDmaikc6Lz1uqkQt5dZb2C5iC8q8nQfZcqv+kpvo3gwVkaTHD7QE+X G6sbAoHd3L14TQjxfN7e1vRBIfwA9mWp+1CmVRkug/ZttZCeaIn1QPYk5c5FsDDq1zOyUfjVy lZZj0YiHwqUbV3SpQt/YBra5MOXbF+nrX5qqFgVEOjXgsv8OjrB6ZQWpFBNN/vX8oozYMGh6l Up73yY52vjjc4gZkSnlA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Sh= all >> >> we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? >> > >> > I certainly hope we won't. >> >> So we can revert this change in etc/HELLO? > > I would be in favor of reverting it, yes. So let's wait for the result of your discussion about the Belarus entry, and then wo could do. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus , Juri Linkov Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160312212711639 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 15:42:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXIU-00031f-Pi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:06 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f46.google.com ([209.85.208.46]:34480) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXIS-000318-VC for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 11:42:05 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f46.google.com with SMTP id x1so10762749eds.1 for <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:42:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SDtAvu5dJucy6AOKtgScXVkpAouHK2A/ovMlsujRepM=; b=rtiFo7OMGZy7tXdnUOPNa0tLl5T38v6N4A6EZJ9vREbOQ4mmFoiZz9QqgwtJykQrS1 FsELf7SkBHKcFFyl3/P52Zqj8A1tjOZSlDwg1ewsWdO26nAWWJnfH0+/iVwXqNCJc826 xaoq47KfYBN9vVhX7pGwHuewT2UkO1AXRaIYEaVcJPIXJIgSdjq0FFs6dQBM1M+asyyp jGNWTGyvcF0iBw7IPJuhBgKIqJd7u8j2kI4ChdkKCcQaouZTaEkoTgGpDR8do3l61FM0 AiIFa0A7LhiBUyl/kD4+7gL5/nH5S+b01paGUtf8RnohaBQfngN2WdDADEwV0ANMFhHQ e+Fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SDtAvu5dJucy6AOKtgScXVkpAouHK2A/ovMlsujRepM=; b=iMQqULizn30p1FlBczVWOu2+aoMNScHeCeme+upi9fNqPEb8LiM7zPbxutDmPpW5KK Gjwz4lvzFhMSAj4EtZB4hA7cLMcxgDvAAyig4hHdRNpSv23nEkRpfXHcTFjBonmmDd00 s5gGpOWqDRRdC+XJlbQWhGYPkz8FWN2Lsoog9SDheqdxmOCyrfb+5hLhJ1vNvvm6Em6X TpKyWZsrsZvKoyswUfD3DvC3wKObmXdDQ5NkhEhFSO3tMAKz6pPHvv0hTVldnuzsqRA/ Co6RGbAGsU4SDyq2U+wRkEDLyqF5Ag1lX/ucr3v+5HO8KYrXW2c1tjpusJE6zXQ6izYO O0VA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532rVeDvwuXrizlDgFaTRtM87OT5HcqD1NOnBejMcIzBSU/nTwhX W8+VEE2yDDiR1MvtW+jDVOyp52mZF0t4NunQwKk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzCTZwoW0NctGO5LbII0pCsv+WOSPQB1GvSMDn7U+G6CiNpbj6bBeN92Y/Qh1uuPs7mjLwiy6DiLqDoys4hGd0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:3133:: with SMTP id dd19mr449318edb.100.1603122117744; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 08:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:41:57 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:41:57 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Albinus writes: >> Indeed, that was a stupid joke as these reports indicate. >> The name of the programming language refers to coffee, >> not to the language of people inhabiting the island. > > It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall > we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? I don't believe so. It's not really binary though, is it? We could remove some jokes but keep others. In this case, it seems to me that we get more mileage out of using the Javanese script than keeping the (fairly weak) joke. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: larsi@gnus.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160312360822371 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 16:06:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXgO-0005ol-I9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:06:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48522) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXgM-0005oP-9k for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:06:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXgF-0001vG-MV; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:06:39 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2385 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXgE-0003wv-SY; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:06:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:06:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83eelup5d7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:41:57 +0000) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 15:41:57 +0000 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, > Jean Louis > > > It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall > > we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? I don't believe so. > > It's not really binary though, is it? We could remove some jokes but > keep others. Up until now, each joke that we discussed got removed. So it sounds like it's really binary, and in one direction: remove them all. > In this case, it seems to me that we get more mileage out of using the > Javanese script than keeping the (fairly weak) joke. We could keep both. Would that be OK with you? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Up until now, each joke that we discussed got removed. So it sounds > like it's really binary, and in one direction: remove them all. It might be that all the jokes that have been discussed have been bad, and that's why they've been discussed. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Up until now, each joke that we discussed got removed. So it sounds > like it's really binary, and in one direction: remove them all. It might be that all the jokes that have been discussed have been bad, and that's why they've been discussed. I think the Java joke is kinda funny, but it's a name-based joke, which means that the everybody else finds the joke surprising and funny, but a Javanese person will have heard it a gazillion times before, so it becomes depressing. (Anybody with a "funny name" will have heard every variation of the joke from any number of people.) So I'd rather remove it. And that's not a binary vote for "remove all jokes". -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus , Juri Linkov Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160312414123251 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:16:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 16:15:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42141 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXoz-00062x-8Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:15:41 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:56220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXox-00062l-Nj for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:15:40 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09JGE5kC146088; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:15:34 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=dhw5IDANYVk3XF7FaeCVrI99zmVQvcg8H85qU9aoZdY=; b=WT8FpmluxpgMGVi0Q82bPzFtEIbRTo/LlPi2QZPm70vu02RjcoQIMhmDgHoBMR8NwGaC H6ET0xKsI5I0n1z05bkVZGcHc8WFYPNt+f27QxLJVo0wPXIwmf8ACNXtvugBTrZs54J5 8ZVBKo4WX1U4agbnwEpJuQU5hDi7xAatPb2tRts7lxfDUDfcDr8CskhF+BsdGuFyih/v vpzwd2sj4GVnhVcnUrqKE3n1B4cuJV3ChubgNWGI7ogvtZBfXejlHeAM6ekTQrrdWS7V qmAyfDjTUcGOsmes5j62h3L5NCumGu1ELo3u4jJpSb4IoyBHHiHG2AJlaDN5w3DEXJMd 0w== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 347s8mpcd0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:15:34 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09JG9XsY108420; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:13:33 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 348agwaxjy-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:13:33 +0000 Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09JGDSKj029122; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:13:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9778 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=783 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010190111 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9778 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxlogscore=816 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010190112 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall > we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? I don't believe so. That would be an undecidable undertaking. ;-) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de, Stefan Kangas , juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160312472924193 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 16:25:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42150 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXyT-0006I9-Ff for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:25:29 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:49157) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUXyR-0006I1-Uq for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:25:28 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0BF2.000000005F8DBDF6.00007F8B; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:25:25 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 19:25:22 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20201019162522.GF19325@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83eelup5d7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83eelup5d7.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Eli Zaretskii [2020-10-19 19:07]: > > In this case, it seems to me that we get more mileage out of using the > > Javanese script than keeping the (fairly weak) joke. > > We could keep both. Would that be OK with you? Good idea. Javanese script looks beautiful and you could wrap it in Java. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160312532825238 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 16:35:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42176 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUY88-0006Z0-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:35:28 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:33519) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUY86-0006YY-9u for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:35:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603125288; bh=jIBcNDNDfb8siYhniLJfQRtUHUkkf6TtnPON4hl/LGc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=BIeovQHQki2maXC4pmwTmNcUaj+z24KVq9F5/nVlRMLC46A9I1lNymzbS2U/BcYXy XxQo9AS3JICUS3S9g22rRZswD0husgLFUEy2g2p91/aaJynOHdyroSZKJ+iZoSUXvj 4idrP1czLeMm7BxcmWCMAkf4IE8TOCky+1la4ryE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.91.242.51]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mq2j2-1k918k0rek-00n85p; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:34:48 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83eelup5d7.fsf@gnu.org> <87imb6jitd.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:34:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87imb6jitd.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:12:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87sgaaw4wp.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:udAF0Vx6wxneuffZtJJHlBl1+Dq+B8Bpqw6h+fDP9psrWNYWPZE +v3WPz2Z9vHGHxOktFDlC6zlSu4UeG6RHiv4yIQfxKwWE+gRM/Hn/N6DFhGEsIpdGDpKWuY fk+h6cdLaqu+fRyRxYQGit6Din/hgX+8rbsakvFPbwfKJl2jOH2314T2pPZfwRVD48EVt0P GeNcm9S1ZC+VmRrTh//4Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:dSVkDLpE8lg=:nlkmPnbcxIVLaYm1H84AfU qH0X8WaFu9jea7pG77wTRjknqqPtF93YD2PT6+fKqcRHesKGZc3UJF7/dskpbglvkLyE3ATmY 1IqX5CcyP5TdhkMzNE20roxFeh/fgcGUt6MCl/LDKWyfBZpzy5Ar8MOFJQOfCavuLdi83/69S ucvh0rL1wwzHHVFzLizExFkHpz1TMKxSw8IcnFpRPlPfXsJf5FM0X1eO/KYhEND4Hz2oyEVuf a/HvqqZ3Q8IugJKgZUbh92fpAqEfsjQm4RcEPvyPRrk0FF8ur/Ro5m+zwyD2r6W/a7Ai2K1dS XXidozaxkskc7G4ESnOOrcP5ewCleUi1LjbwuewZlIyk5RQrvFjJjtqRUBbH44J/TFldVws1B XpVUnVo+CAxkqgzvVtNMn9uI+Cj+ivVXA0eMuSTumSoA52havc+KR84cnVYrgyrJkJGm+LzDx moHTkEnqc+U1W+Hh9zMRN7alDCB80MOIUNSujOD9sOAC5ADrTFDvYS34JFIoCyJEQ+QkDosxz I3fkewO6yaki38IrD8EURezV9oGNcmjBKsAfkSM+nZEMegoRozGHTWVHIlwat0+Rux2Mp82M+ drpmp6La+C65kW6u6OXXbF2Tpq/UL/PetlYkWmSkUORN2Xy/ZT1C2GACwxvWbSAUG9TPO0BXW jMWqxbdJL+Jn1qC83AkSpa7UuakciAlV1+8fcu30m3AsNCvPuSFP30i1gdQKm3qxoG4M9fMnR cB7IgfdmUzwObeRgfvFEuYha0PFf6VgNyH7/LfMcSYY9x5rWnZLLPgXZ1ecVSg7eRDkVCG10m l/9oJ76XAX2Kfr++ucJOuu6Vud/ekAB4jfYObNTt9bFgIl+VVHgD5ozftlLHy2NnoElrsODsp FqmfskAuZ9yt/fXOi3tA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think the Java joke is kinda funny, but it's a name-based joke, which > means that the everybody else finds the joke surprising and funny, but a > Javanese person will have heard it a gazillion times before, so it > becomes depressing. (Anybody with a "funny name" will have heard every > variation of the joke from any number of people.) I'm a German. Believe me, I've heard much more jokes about Germany and the Germans than you can imagine. So what. Best regards, Mich "Don't mention the war" ael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Andrea Corallo Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031274594496 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 17:10:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUYgR-0001AO-On for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:10:59 -0400 Received: from mab.sdf.org ([205.166.94.33]:50634 helo=ma.sdf.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUYgM-0001A8-I0 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:10:54 -0400 Received: from akrl by ma.sdf.org with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUYgA-0005BP-5L; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:10:38 +0000 From: Andrea Corallo References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83eelup5d7.fsf@gnu.org> <87imb6jitd.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgaaw4wp.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:10:38 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87sgaaw4wp.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:34:46 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Albinus writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> I think the Java joke is kinda funny, but it's a name-based joke, which >> means that the everybody else finds the joke surprising and funny, but a >> Javanese person will have heard it a gazillion times before, so it >> becomes depressing. (Anybody with a "funny name" will have heard every >> variation of the joke from any number of people.) > > I'm a German. Believe me, I've heard much more jokes about Germany and the > Germans than you can imagine. So what. Hi all, I possibly had an even more intense experience as an Italian. Having some sense of humor really helps going trough these situations making some fun out of them. I'm also for keeping the joke, I like the idea of Emacs keeping some humor around. Regards Andrea (spagetti-code writer) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031407149385 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 20:51:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42600 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUc8I-0002RJ-CA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:51:54 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:52843) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUc8G-0002R5-Tr for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:51:53 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3CE220004; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:51:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:30:25 +0300 In-Reply-To: <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:57:23 +0200") Message-ID: <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>> It is the nature of a joke that it isn't understood by everybody. Shall >>> we really remove *every* joke from Emacs? etc/HELLO still contains enough puns that don't offend anyone and don't provoke bug reports. >> I certainly hope we won't. > > So we can revert this change in etc/HELLO? Not to revert, but to change the authorship of this joke and to adapt it to the added Javanese script if you want to take responsibility for handling future complaints ;-) As for me, I unsubscribe from that kind of jokes, I prefer to make fun of corporations, politicians and celebrities, but not of unsuspecting groups of people. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031407189402 (code B ref 43887); Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2020 20:51:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUc8M-0002Ra-Jk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:51:58 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:48405) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUc8K-0002RA-Qy for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 16:51:57 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A478C0003; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 20:51:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1pup97p.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:31:35 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83r1pup97p.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:43:38 +0300") Message-ID: <87mu0ij6u0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Btw, how is that diacritics different from what we have on the Russian > line? The intention was to add a word with the diacritics letter Ў, but I don't know a greeting with that letter. Why the requirement for that file to contain only greetings? Would it make sense to relax the requirement and allow words that are not greetings? From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 02:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160316107317776 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 02:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 02:31:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43016 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUhQe-0004ce-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:31:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUhQa-0004cP-PN for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:31:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUhQT-0000ZA-N8; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:31:02 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4989 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kUhQM-00019S-T2; Mon, 19 Oct 2020 22:30:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:31:01 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1ptocgq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87mu0ij6u0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:31:35 +0300) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1pup97p.fsf@gnu.org> <87mu0ij6u0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: bugs@gnu.support, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > 43887@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:31:35 +0300 > > > Btw, how is that diacritics different from what we have on the Russian > > line? > > The intention was to add a word with the diacritics letter Ў, > but I don't know a greeting with that letter. My question still stands: we already have a Cyrillic diacritic on the Russian line. Is that not sufficient? > Why the requirement for that file to contain only greetings? It's the simplest concept. And the greeting is not the only word: the name of the script itself is also part of that. > Would it make sense to relax the requirement and allow words > that are not greetings? Like what? From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Juri Linkov , Lars Ingebrigtsen , stefankangas@gmail.com Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031855692831 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 09:19:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnnl-0000ja-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:19:29 -0400 Received: from mail1455c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.55]:33566 helo=mail266c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUnnh-0000jK-Sz for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:19:28 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1603185559; bh=p7tX4tCziIEFiPiAh0cP1uAlP2FNDXiHOIeUqWyzec4=; h=From:Subject:Date:Cc:To:From; b=SmCigG5rE+FnMCEqc1YibmtWQwnHZoazULzhrUY4w6VbHARIoQmQyO6l7Zd/95zq3 b6+ctLtpfGsLbWZ8VSq05Dw+JSgJGf1f7tmOkly8gbYyvdPIDv4tIdTAegmh/umv16 3mrD49UJAB7lR10lLvg1gk27FG+Vqi75ycTuXa70= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail266c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 09K9JGjp002135; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:19:18 +0000 From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Message-Id: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:19:15 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F24.5F8EAB97.001E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=A5MSwJeG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=ZTsy0R2YKPNGPEMOBvQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eli is entirely right -- this file isn't a catalogue of how to say hello in different languages but a way to show off Emacs's character set capabilities. (Somewhat less impressive these days than when [...] Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.4 KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS Relay HELO differs from its IP's reverse DNS X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Eli is entirely right -- this file isn't a catalogue of how to say hello = in different languages but a way to show off Emacs's character set = capabilities. (Somewhat less impressive these days than when it was = created, but nothing to be sneezed at.) I therefore propose removal of the all-ASCII lines for: C (silly), = Dutch, Emacs (not very useful for someone already looking at the = buffer), Italian and Norwegian. There are also way too many lines that only demonstrate the Latin-1 = subset, of which we should keep only one or two: Danish, Estonian, = Finnish, French, German, Hungarian, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish. Of these, I suggest keeping German (for the =C3=9F which is sometimes = rendered ambiguously to share glyph with Greek =CE=B2) and Spanish (for = the non-alphabetic =C2=A1), or maybe Estonian (smallest language of the = bunch; I root for underdogs) or Finnish (for its glorious salvo of = '=C3=A4's). Every humdrum line is one that displaces an exciting one. If this file = has any relevance today, it should be the variety and wonder of human = writing systems that Emacs can display. (I also question the oversized copyright notice for this file but at = least it's relegated to the bottom where nobody will read it. It feels = like one of those corporate email signatures.) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16031866674825 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 09:37:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43606 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUo5T-0001Fj-Dp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:37:47 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:45713) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUo5R-0001FQ-Iz for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:37:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603186627; bh=vO1mCb33dHqXvc+8W+FcFJSZQpHy4lGxMmZehaHEmj4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=NMLCxGQhm9t25Pid4xDLRhOKKNTu5arSArGIQGAh/9Lb0KuyghEFAmSkReP4hH1IB RNNeGPRk0QpcfUG3qtJmL7iDfIM8uHHRCbHgzyj1s8dwNpuflgzq1F7WrDc/iKx4Cl 8/aHh7kzjkW52Zs1VJThlAOUeOKPcrRwMAqMly3o= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([212.86.58.0]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MtfJd-1k9Y0C0QxT-00v6QL; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:37:07 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:37:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:30:25 +0300") Message-ID: <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:6XiBSyqdL0A4H6FJDSHligTj+V4wWnE9bU6g8bxkgb4UNDbNMoQ AA0dvn2oGJIvG3veEgXIkOjREVqNi5YdTJWsHhS23dAakuHy+OOd9aVfZenEV4no8ViWelp ZC1nj1PzLCgHEvO823f9Ydq/nbPhW2I4biARgbHwhjOcRefvWbiaVZj/TFQZbY34mpY1sWa HSiY04xshDczrHhROgAMg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:41mW8O/7n24=:jcJtBLjCM8y1NBTMWnatI8 UE5hzbtzkUA49s8gFlUi80dlFq4E8t/JiX+PvUlC1q+DVmIMWvJkgT3zpMJINSV5E5BBtqxGi chybz+y9YnGL3Ypjdkx5KNHxBOiG8w/u4pweNhHQszMnWCmocTPqbJyrnmvgxAKgW45GOH3SA tpKU6Mci2BYJcjVmJT9KLmnXTFeOOJaNpdxXQCxCaccWpD4/RCDFZCPxhG/YbRgobR2WZxW72 gKXs2Hnjwp1gS4Fq1YmN9Ir0umSkq2E0SD0ujU4f7R4AW+oB7MuZOhoIR3XUmGHNxPh7740fW r3SgMmJplqO/+HSnXNp+fzIJ2YHiUf+udbGlXZNO9VJdAz3fYgIBkUgjg9uVtmDO4Vita3IQP ymkG4tnz5zqhWDR4XTE11ntYJJP61fX1B5W9QfgUMZ8wOmvBeIQOJEm1ltlcxvAbP9qLw1zrp IAlzJB9SLE2rYcq/QkmMTGhflH0p5m+0QbOjcGLKPambAKWxrWJlhcbwE6xSLFHKaP2sdlgGg Zgv8rTDcP6cl4fio+FAQDY3Sz9qLLHRpy6nndFdK0Zsr7C4C7O/TzsG27rdOz/tSGZw+Jcp1B DfZjh8xoTBrfSNtypoNMur9uf28XKnqVAmjsLrHWnNfJboI1kzdNzs6wuP2/cG48UwUKbdL14 uCM7cFz6ERjPuilwH0X2Lj7UUYvjNDOWZquMKmv3jBjG80igXTcBNsV2+M8DwaJDpyE6B05lD NnsqMKcyhBasw3eNepLyvA1fgRYLH7jA8TK4bxrqFZiWjrL4nWABoAO8Q1hKKVQmqUx7j5PSY WOTdavdr0w96Lx9ewWr9rkoa73BRK/MULcpxd1qQuNKwpezErII3cY5wfcpTebZ1rZxNzVXxn 8ZZj+rA6WKBpih6lbJrA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Juri Linkov writes: Hi Juri, > Not to revert, but to change the authorship of this joke and to adapt it to > the added Javanese script if you want to take responsibility for handling > future complaints ;-) Will do, no problem for me. Just one question: "emacs -Q" on both Fedora 32 and Ubuntu 20.04 don't show proper symbols for this (and TaiViet). I guess it needs another font to be loaded? > As for me, I unsubscribe from that kind of jokes, > I prefer to make fun of corporations, politicians and celebrities, > but not of unsuspecting groups of people. All of them are valid targets for jokes. But there might be simiular controversies, when such jokes appear in Emacs. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= , Eli Zaretskii , Juri Linkov , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160319555020163 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 12:05:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUqOj-0005F9-Te for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:05:50 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f51.google.com ([209.85.208.51]:40958) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUqOh-0005Et-Th for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:05:48 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f51.google.com with SMTP id p13so1556026edi.7 for <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:05:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jxrNo/7o0fMMAcWi8LpOkUObmh+GdEMrUEgf2CxGsKo=; b=fWOgrVFdpVq9JXIyCLoE6jAX9J6gcm1Jz1B2Rff5Jh0FQNV224Dn8J2ex3cXzuuNrG IymKG85iCEk1an1Z6ur4e7mF2R3a7vL4On7NF+DodZzgo1H9YF2fK2t57lSZDwxfQSp0 k2xsAaL5sOLxJTw3jhXG5D3gVYelLGqczIlWIDGBc95xLQWPokN+InMCqj2mXnRbpqyh +dS76L+0V1+RPxQq0XZgwCrsE2sXv2PxeN3CFO2VD8NXzHjpJHEDD+QVqjhwhBLlVUMZ 6F2gPRoV+F4SwZuUSp3glZkVvjxT+l/A8G3NQ5iIGF6AFlycjOrF0rArEA10wlDRlxH5 mtlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jxrNo/7o0fMMAcWi8LpOkUObmh+GdEMrUEgf2CxGsKo=; b=pOkq2Ij7chISixE/TAtxCqdbLkEV2q2BwVziR9tHE1dqrTZkK67CnZoDbhBKeut2EY PeeBye7i8A0oQMsCIcy1LH7Qy4QbZ+0wKbw2icqtwhG6dpwdagNKKpn3Nyd2eNmZ878t ItG4QlgWvnO8imNz3UMOVHecnuW0c7pHUvhWCQm1FEtC/0W2vz0WGveVAqBpxGJH+iCB RUmuGgb5jg2Vnx/2ickNCV4Tm6Fj0Sk/oKJoZtAFgqlm9+EsZ8Fxu5OsSDmydB/AX0yN kNbY121pbMEXKfEQ85LzMRhk63DUbioN/XSQq81Jwb0Iwjpw6Wju8JC0fMiQqmyDanhw 1dkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530otM/fB9rvMMMNaNUinn89+tlxpOLXcXHEi9SUgMiWdgyVplbk VfJjWP0ynDtzxTGFFGwbfIflxHC4IbcMNOqkSXk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxNiB7RObjrN4RrkEnP9+Qc+AR0q6n0MJi+vrMc7uHJlYTcT5JlBY/B23f6/SYrhUzNX7y6z5v0S7AQ349q48k= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d783:: with SMTP id s3mr2460562edq.214.1603195541993; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:05:39 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> References: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:05:39 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > I therefore propose removal of the all-ASCII lines for: C (silly), > Dutch, Emacs (not very useful for someone already looking at the > buffer), Italian and Norwegian. > > There are also way too many lines that only demonstrate the Latin-1 > subset, of which we should keep only one or two: Danish, Estonian, > Finnish, French, German, Hungarian, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish. You have a point, of course. But how long before we get patches to add these languages back, and then get to have another round of discussing this? I think it's better to just leave it all alone. The list is long, but not overly so. If we want to avoid having to scroll for testing purposes, we could instead extend the "Non-ASCII examples" section at the top. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Robert Pluim Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= , Eli Zaretskii , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160319620521260 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 12:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 12:16:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43859 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUqZJ-0005Wq-3F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:16:45 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f51.google.com ([209.85.221.51]:38989) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUqZI-0005Wd-A1 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:16:44 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f51.google.com with SMTP id y12so1864365wrp.6 for <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:16:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dExdVXfYHTZ/kBU7vht8d/NtOr0bNGoGbyS8aUCvgAk=; b=aLk6sfEXAKKn0dGIub9lNWzCiaXOz7A5vx/b4BBkDDH5FnnH0VKSGVhQEAFdJAa5OD AHRkikuTNaSPrDk46Fjr9LiiZdiNbZIOlmuV8FtC4b/EpirC3JB0eAu1DuKcs4Fp5VwO Z9+54NTQ7QC4wwd1hIZ/810wlhzz+g6fp8dW1oMTSmF0M4jmPqYb02bZxetpE8p/TRRQ KcdmB/Bkm3XHqJJUQdnCNtciWsKwvpFGsiVZ1looVjf3ViExtPQmNSeIiX1E7BPn+cPx FBXIwePATM9B1CDjBxiDhA3y+S7eIKwDJpQ/WBNTFIFX0cUVnjiEyRtyBpU5E80iCxGu wNdw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dExdVXfYHTZ/kBU7vht8d/NtOr0bNGoGbyS8aUCvgAk=; b=q2hmWAkdpsAXZFZ/iC78SVk1WDgWGfNxx/dGDz7Gs9sejc/hXPokzz2dJyUyk3yky0 p89EAaRBh2eLVHRJ5qNSpyqgUQ6V7RX2dz/c7YsaCz8kbVpyr5nojKQoJeNfz+G2isJl uSIm51tt7P0SG5wChkpZjgmEnn6YTpYJ/3fBXvHCKFoW7SRLudyEgk40saqy0r+BlXgx GIKJyjAPjz4sABwyPyHIsnmCZSf60wFRclEcGH426GYqbgzw7LflYcpkP5moF7QZmWF4 BD1yhaRE4ECFpDtIYctGfJNZJyOHlW9rFTOkeIGL4ou1rDkEh9pSJaYxMsn6Z4lra29Z utmw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5313OrpCGmure6bX/QwwkTXDW54wM6VIYEcPm/fhpJdRtSKX5X7l +O3kW4ESaQW3pQ0omSkF1jAfPjDJ57Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxfo/oO6G92AQkS0hmrWJuRjqurBr6ofO8NOZlEO4FxDvBXDIOu0RWOXcht/jZ/niQwtqokrw== X-Received: by 2002:adf:8b92:: with SMTP id o18mr3332273wra.54.1603196197891; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rpluim-mac ([2a01:e34:ecfc:a860:809c:499f:bf60:772e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d20sm2908253wra.38.2020.10.20.05.16.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim References: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:16:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:05:39 -0400") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:05:39 -0400, Stefan Kangas said: Stefan> Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: >> I therefore propose removal of the all-ASCII lines for: C (silly), >> Dutch, Emacs (not very useful for someone already looking at the >> buffer), Italian and Norwegian. >>=20 >> There are also way too many lines that only demonstrate the Latin-1 >> subset, of which we should keep only one or two: Danish, Estonian, >> Finnish, French, German, Hungarian, Spanish, Swedish and Turkish. Stefan> You have a point, of course. But how long before we get patche= s to add Stefan> these languages back, and then get to have another round of dis= cussing Stefan> this? Stefan> I think it's better to just leave it all alone. The list is lo= ng, but Stefan> not overly so. If we want to avoid having to scroll for testing Stefan> purposes, we could instead extend the "Non-ASCII examples" sect= ion at Stefan> the top. The list being long is a feature: when you've screwed something up that causes a crash or a slowdown with the more esoteric scripts towards the end of the file, having to scroll gives you the opportunity to set your debugging up beforehand :-) Robert --=20 From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Arthur Miller Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160320036728265 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 13:26:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUreQ-0007Lo-IG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Just one question: "emacs -Q" on both Fedora > 32 and Ubuntu 20.04 don't show proper symbols for this (and TaiViet). I > guess it needs another font to be loaded? > >> As for me, I unsubscribe from that kind of jokes, >> I prefer to make fun of corporations, politicians and celebrities, >> but not of unsuspecting groups of people. > > All of them are valid targets for jokes. But there might be simiular > controversies, when such jokes appear in Emacs. > > Best regards, Michael. I had a good laugh; not so much that I didn't see some version berfore, but because it was so nerdy, so I was laughing more to that. I don't find that joke offensive in any way; but non-programmers don't understand the programmign humor; but then how many of non-programmers would look at that file. I personally didn't even know it existed untill you started the discussion. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160320200330926 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 13:53:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43971 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUs4o-00082k-M0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:53:22 -0400 Received: from mail1472c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.72]:50228 helo=mail102c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUs4l-00082S-8c for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:53:21 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1603201990; bh=nz/Ru1F9I1TvYfe6TIpTb1jqO8GzyjFS6x2NqtWY+TM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=ctzRmR2qYq1qMgw0zNjwgF+3CT7j6ouhevVw4Scz0Rx7TQoCxU0A/gqNnKTTp2gmJ w1qx1G0RbRkRh4C9AvbSsFJ4Cb+qhgVjJeNySm4lJKAYDJQXkC2reZ+Lqasv3nP0uI gEonbk9SbyNpWL1Ls8YLLrhJa8bBafj8Q3U60yZo= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail102c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 09KDr8P4028504; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:53:09 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:53:07 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F29.5F8EEBC6.008C, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=S52nP7kP c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=ju87CHMkMgqW8DUBUk4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 20 okt. 2020 kl. 14.05 skrev Stefan Kangas : > You have a point, of course. But how long before we get patches to add > these languages back, and then get to have another round of discussing > this? Content analysis details: (1.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.4 KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS Relay HELO differs from its IP's reverse DNS X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) 20 okt. 2020 kl. 14.05 skrev Stefan Kangas : > You have a point, of course. But how long before we get patches to = add > these languages back, and then get to have another round of discussing > this? By that reasoning we can never remove anything from the list and will = have to accept that it will keep growing indefinitely. A tad defeatist, = don't you think? It's the other way around: if the list contains Danish, Finnish and = Swedish, why not add Norwegian? If it has a silly entry for C, why not = add one for Pascal? And so on. The file says in the very beginning: It is not intended to be comprehensive, but to demonstrate some of the character sets that Emacs supports. If you think this text is insufficient to deter ill-advised additions, = we can strengthen it. 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But how long before we get patches to add >> these languages back, and then get to have another round of discussing >> this? > > By that reasoning we can never remove anything from the list and will hav= e to accept that it will keep growing indefinitely. A tad defeatist, don't = you think? > > It's the other way around: if the list contains Danish, Finnish and Swedi= sh, why > not add Norwegian? If it has a silly entry for C, why not add one for Pas= cal? > And so on. Because Lisp still gotten it's country! Once we have a Lisp land, we can add a silly entry for Lisp too. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160321858611833 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 18:29:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46705 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUwOI-00034m-2Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:29:46 -0400 Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:57011) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUwOG-00034Z-TJ for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:29:45 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11A57100004; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:29:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1pup97p.fsf@gnu.org> <87mu0ij6u0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1ptocgq.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:18:22 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83r1ptocgq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2020 05:31:01 +0300") Message-ID: <87o8kwepnt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> > Btw, how is that diacritics different from what we have on the Russian >> > line? >> >> The intention was to add a word with the diacritics letter Ў, >> but I don't know a greeting with that letter. > > My question still stands: we already have a Cyrillic diacritic on the > Russian line. Is that not sufficient? The Russian line has COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT, whereas the proposed diacritic is COMBINING BREVE. I know no other language that has a letter with COMBINING BREVE. >> Would it make sense to relax the requirement and allow words >> that are not greetings? > > Like what? Maybe also allow phrases how to say "Welcome" and "Cheers!" From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160321859111860 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 18:29:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUwON-00035D-9N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:29:51 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:38249) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUwOK-00034d-Qu for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:29:49 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19D1540008; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:29:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:20:52 +0300 In-Reply-To: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> ("Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?="'s message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:19:15 +0200") Message-ID: <871rhsep2z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I therefore propose removal of the all-ASCII lines for: > C (silly), Dutch, Emacs (not very useful for someone already looking at the buffer), Italian and Norwegian. C is the default locale. Removing other languages would offend their native speakers. Since there is no limit of the file size, I see no problem to have as many languages as users enjoy seeing in this file. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160321859611876 (code B ref 43887); Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 18:29:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46713 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUwOS-00035U-H6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:29:56 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:43097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUwOP-00034w-Ry for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:29:54 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4980820008; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:29:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:23:12 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:37:05 +0200") Message-ID: <87imb4da9n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Not to revert, but to change the authorship of this joke and to adapt it to >> the added Javanese script if you want to take responsibility for handling >> future complaints ;-) > > Will do, no problem for me. Just one question: "emacs -Q" on both Fedora > 32 and Ubuntu 20.04 don't show proper symbols for this (and TaiViet). I > guess it needs another font to be loaded? Yes, an additional font is needed. It seems the latest Mint installs it by default. On earlier versions all additional fonts can be installed with: sudo apt-get install fonts-noto-core I guess a similar package should exist for Ubuntu (not sure for Fedora). Then no empty boxes are shown in etc/HELLO. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 04:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16032551996841 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 04:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 04:39:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47467 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV5up-0001mH-5W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 00:39:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46852) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV5un-0001m2-Cc for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 00:39:57 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41892) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kV5uh-0000Jv-8z; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 00:39:51 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kV5ug-0000Mt-5u; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 00:39:50 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <87o8kwepnt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:18:22 +0300) References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <20201018212912.GA4097@protected.rcdrun.com> <87h7qqk6bf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1pup97p.fsf@gnu.org> <87mu0ij6u0.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r1ptocgq.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8kwepnt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 00:39:50 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> Would it make sense to relax the requirement and allow words > >> that are not greetings? > > > > Like what? > Maybe also allow phrases how to say "Welcome" and "Cheers!" I suggest we spend our time on other issues that will affect users more. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160326352629677 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:59:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 06:58:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47589 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV857-0007ib-SP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 02:58:46 -0400 Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:56883) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV856-0007iL-29 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 02:58:45 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C7AF100004; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:58:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:53:08 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:37:05 +0200") Message-ID: <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> adapt it to the added Javanese script if you want to take >> responsibility for handling future complaints ;-) > > Will do, no problem for me. Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! How it would look in JavaScript? From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16032659131342 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 07:38:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47673 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV8hc-0000La-Qu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 03:38:32 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:56965) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV8ha-0000LG-OC for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 03:38:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603265871; bh=WJPWu4J/SZp9r0VB1PRrleJbXznK7hgSJWWWhyaCZh4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=UOWwrreqkb0eWJfTwRU6ZaRzaMb+/Q9xTNRTgsqOmSQLsB5UfmKDA1uTAXIWq70/5 dH8AVMbpC5M+JZ40JAvaRbkJBDFSdbSK1UIaF2UhdTEI5xf+yYLvSu4bmDTofxjRYY VyiIqbt+/C61nCktwLJjv+Exd8iKqshcxegPbW60= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.151.177]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4Qwg-1kKRo11PIk-011NuZ; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:37:51 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:37:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:53:08 +0300") Message-ID: <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:X4DcaJYiAaGQfzOV8vwgUYgTOX6/Mij8DPZt/OiyNmZRHnhSz2X J/Q1GWB/PXQ2LpcZHcNVl63VB6Adh9A7U+OdTCq9HWqvR4VlpGAmQCK35WX4hjNzKsi0xrd WfXyL3IF6pU+cLkO/ljoup5q91AcPUfE+K0kfLJuYY+/olKqKZO+ATAkN70lOqfYudWhY9A jcR3RZLq7IKBJwAlG5Xig== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:3C2UwthTQ6U=:n+6N1T7W0if5g/qaaG4Dz+ 55SNaxZZnjIjNeM6/V6JPWa8NvqW8klroijMmTWmvHHUQq3DpZJRRaDyMxJGC0hr+BRq6me9R p4NDXi3ebMqXKZOJ8v74Giqi/MPmdWmPACYadUmlKVPN0YsWV2XkuGqaacHgE7WdKptqMBM2W 95t0g1Mil0MJeC5guJ9Iv9dNvaRSPLcCs+6MeuqSUNp3nXBN6FnqQQ8Q+1y9I1dEB7PGKKcn9 MugpExkqmMKxlLzfIiZ+a16hu3aoLdSLp7ZssDa3G6NmJtxiqWHS1q+Hg/qrUvJrqNtHJ7btc U0fc9KYCiQ0wguT8jgL7o/nMXgKqMJbpn1Dnu4l4QYW5Ng5fV2a9IvNNJllExdEj6hpVH2m1X e0bcTyHAXq7KiqyJur3I2d4PTfGIxT3nLLCxa+TlRbacHK7++Bb/nLWLBws6wInq+ow8iZmZP TnazTizcvKxuvI2svm2JS4PbDg0BnPD0Kx+5jZtnEqQvrdbwc43fPP2sxN2ckoBkKhAHsDGJ+ cyrJ91Rnw1kTHjFIiKHZY94eyUs6tshzgrNgYHV9UQE8HsN20ht7RFO8DTmR+qEQ4/3EB2OvH hTQl4SbCxsAzg1jt3JiV8+QpkezIUFO2RgQZuRxhVowKzG29clV9Ohzj6NuOQyIoJl8UBJvAn HRFxpbPTLc95ltfAzoMzwrxNQJMvS2q+SXU/qKPYkm9rfkBxyaSVwi7rAOZXtesYCSbr2mmh8 y7ybFNi+k/NggN1JQx9gGOlQCg4n2QrhlwYbZQYEZkp15bfOfuKq6gDIlqlxWFmou5di1oLwW /SqOLdQ3/ndIJXizlBVKEDwcfVitNX5u6ZhXopzggik+vFI6lx4K9FvyfGX0ePK0KzKdAqQ/x h0QPNyKd0SFLU0wciJMg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Juri Linkov writes: > Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! > How it would look in JavaScript? Don't know, I don't speak JavaScript. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:25:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16032686826242 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:25:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 08:24:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV9QI-0001cc-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 04:24:42 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:56385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV9QH-0001cU-FH for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 04:24:41 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B39.000000005F8FF047.00007A83; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:24:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:24:26 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Juri Linkov [2020-10-21 09:59]: > >> adapt it to the added Javanese script if you want to take > >> responsibility for handling future complaints ;-) > > > > Will do, no problem for me. > > Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! > How it would look in JavaScript? Javanese is spoken on island Java, not on island Javascript https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_language From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16032690459664 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 08:30:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47827 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV9W8-0002VX-Oe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 04:30:45 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:37445) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kV9W6-0002TJ-RL for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 04:30:43 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B39.000000005F8FF1AF.00007B0E; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:30:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:30:25 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); According to translation the above is not "Hello" but "Good afternoon". Good afternoon should be rather written between the quotes as: Sꦸꦒꦼꦤꦒ ꦱꦶꦄꦤꦒ! So please update it to be correct: System.out.println("Sꦸꦒꦼꦤꦒ ꦱꦶꦄꦤꦒ!"); Reference: https://lingojam.com/JavaneseScript To get the representation, enter: Sugeng siang! in left text field, you will get result on the right text field. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160327420723940 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 09:56:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47976 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVArO-0006E4-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:56:47 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:44837) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVArM-0006Dm-Fq for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:56:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603274166; bh=3anIMAr+K8GzD85JP2GZ+FAxHriH1dwyBsd76IDR4VM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=TqF1bVLNy7gt5dk97rcbjVlNCwBvpbN08pfRkzvwo+AGUKsvdoxwPGhqLcBpzK/zC 8vglYfhySIFROTAFZ+eTKBg7+M9eAY3A2zFBvX2FPZLRxMmqyAx9W7N37Ma62Kv+Lv 9ROLt/sanw663gt8r1GfMfgIVzBj6GhedkHT7eAA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.151.177]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N7i8O-1kImge2tH8-014k4P; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:56:06 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87imb4da9n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:56:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87imb4da9n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2020 21:23:12 +0300") Message-ID: <87blgvc37u.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:x7+dUWnq3BrKi4Y36nIAHBs8xrmAUswwyo6cL/zsRN7XJqMb/r7 LT0snNS62EfvR26FCXJU3Q5ZwB7hWpsy9wRBCLwGqrqjHK4zGAc4q3qpss0uN48TqjGZCqp HCeneU/ilHAaGb49bkEz/F1FM3eiW6JARHCfv8jcpRR6h8PsIDCbT2I5QtGzrLOy50TRYPf NZ9v0USal5ki3BIFbddUw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ytJEJLDtmeg=:2W6KBChAQ9INyZfk2bYWhF 0AMT86osn68LPDK2Q2278D77bakPGpIhFGfwPZul4wQM/z0x6wlernMycJZddUZmfKeCrEDXj L1E4/z3sk2KbLeGjT8aUSdDJIDy9L4PSnMajMTC2pL8ZVn0DfR63CPV3AkS5fFj10YGcJnJ2S hlMUu4T8Isylp7JH53RNarF7Qc1vwX2DX+Zb9QiIaOqEm1DsXcP/pTeHkPBzctNddQjZKgwU5 sxvkSMlNHWHMgeDlcN7QzAnYn7ozI9/dkFbMlYXDDbQYvzRdKKmWQPf98RHIWTXAjl4k/PtLi pKMDewq2EeodzKniknsQ2d6WdCVKlMwss6ovEAitaheQSOdE/f5YSCR5XBgV180chNQTc7FaD 0Jlfr5BzSBJI6RWe81jiKcmQht2P9EzRZ5EQ0E962+V3OLjiR+1PuU0n0S0lS9eYWAqNVgxaB ATXfRKoINoK4Ixgr7yHh6ctJJLE0vmzrsDi8gBRfEzRXYYnHn76otnJCddZALbiAwkCps0A+A 3sPFf0HnA65Gz67MQT/rc2D+FxJ7XXdRaoM/9D+oTF0Q5IFUC51s9RCQvsNLAahNr2B3UepiW UxtcclZlEU4DGuZH77ZG8QQHtfHQxwVRtgWJCW9+BfhwurCOUaZw22PfrX0Ipkx/b8gNHEof+ peoSndVxZRTTDNjFSOhCBDdAfv6rz/SNP6XLSvZNoFx+ApE+HTNxdzluD8r37B+lCWH2Z/OSn u8VqeKiIN8C79YtKHD3o0pztY0Rs49JyRD1Hwpzynd8cEQynN5n7aEHBtm6lIuLEMqchElzC8 a7L2sJZo86//q4fy0r76XhFV4PNFO8eOxnL9TW8WNs+Ve8qDTmlbRmSK0r9zuKbtxegwK4XkK P+afCKvAqAwEb+bkIkuA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Juri Linkov writes: Hi Juri, >> Will do, no problem for me. Just one question: "emacs -Q" on both Fedora >> 32 and Ubuntu 20.04 don't show proper symbols for this (and TaiViet). I >> guess it needs another font to be loaded? > > Yes, an additional font is needed. It seems the latest Mint installs it > by default. On earlier versions all additional fonts can be installed with: > > sudo apt-get install fonts-noto-core > > I guess a similar package should exist for Ubuntu (not sure for Fedora). > Then no empty boxes are shown in etc/HELLO. Thanks, that helps also for Ubuntu. On Fedora, I haven't found a comprehensive font package similar to this, so I have applied $ sudo yum install google-noto-sans-javanese-fonts google-noto-sans-tai-viet-fonts Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160327562526384 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 10:20:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48008 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVBEG-0006rU-MR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:20:24 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:34115) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVBEF-0006rE-2T for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:20:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603275585; bh=drn0k5rU4L24ysrvppIU9wPoU9uOiT3JArU8Caenfo4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=GWVpt0EbTbdJcqYX1ikbdwY9C/oCzU5NO3dGqZ7Pbtvkqt5JkHAR+fMQn7lOJ4hbo CKg5Lt5UKTEpUNDM3gW0BiUDwUWyBVVVFxAUnIe6jbeDIPrQ8mvADP0G0aFZ5RB0wC VAID/yhM5mnGVV14yD83XattdrbYayFtzgvwZtEY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.151.177]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N0X8o-1kAVds3NdU-00wS1d; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 12:19:44 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 12:19:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:24:26 +0300") Message-ID: <877drjc24i.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:hnaNd/DcoMt18Y3It4nXFWzqSizDp0u+pYI3Hb24D6gVc8XH9pH X/c9kc4mjxklHpGPo08oq0D517GVbfDHjGL1Leeefp8cHW2nptq+GBf4HNI/PsZyswcv5lP 8ez7xgoKZc9GvAQtVCN3ya4GHrYkbXVtGpVK0eEXEvD39rR+fDamZ+KbTZVOs2gZ+cEpCiq NlIgjGL8ujmAxVrGXxP8w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LR0/j21YTdU=:oUhILYv2Cdnj4YPoJBNO3e WosUA3m52qXjl95y9Ej//5VEduM2L9D2exTiVHJuTJl5UQeQ7ofzI2M9dCpPZazIRqFrzFr31 LpRP2g6VwyvkAHxvy/7Q13mMcbS71fpOKVeTalmHlvn99TGNzWiVJ2uF7fs0VnmknuDFWq9xF ylPs9Q6W34PO1fgsdID0OmUEGwerO3Sb6cr2Wh/RPOv4U9DLHi9+XZsOhc41DKjK16927yUa2 TVNyEoNKTPW50Qb4S+3sQkOknsy33brcV/ypTiM67g/JG0nrwsnxuL8WiZLBL/caCrzpTwxlb 0H3FAzk1D2vMO5ezER44ZoaqdV1X9UaAuNPLbzWuYoUWmoBYXaNb9l65ndMt5rGH7uJFXB7+e QKuIYqSM2AuWmGY1fWgXsUqb2ysqj9uOXEW5ljrzkcA25t0C4Rp3PpsbGLUakkHs5FodphtEZ +T9fk0j8+A/48NFs9v79bitUwvDLSX5kDCg7bv3tNrykOXdM+/gkJS8yJz6ZwT/7nalO/Cyej TVoXzck8XalqnvZRie6xBsgtvY+zb3sMvH3rXlylcKrFeaKh78iImK+HPj/0H6AmzEGFksVTt 9lGUXPee+2U933UvcDnzsRwmdbbevRaznNS9mgo+C3JjBZbzqpRZmRh4gfyxoq7Qt075vrIC6 kVLiom9rwupVbPGf7dbp1EeYVKu0wz8sJLod3J1n+2gXMRQAv+7W3NC0yS6TrgxSAARlNs/Lc KR9fullVd2cuy1bvdYQNxLNK2CLmirY1X/wVXkUpMoDHbS4WREvO30o3+I7+rRxfLIWim5I+V SWsWxW9NPscCavzskBVH+ggRTg9pCTSpxlQ58457w1vwAPpgal8nWgaNWczu1jujpRHxEEGYA Pve7k4Pt7vhIbzACuoFg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Jean Louis writes: >> Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! >> How it would look in JavaScript? > > Javanese is spoken on island Java, not on island Javascript Yes, so I keep Java. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160327622227720 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 10:30:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48019 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVBNu-0007D2-6m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:30:22 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:57493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVBNs-0007Cn-FC for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 06:30:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603276182; bh=9hEcZnzz6hYF0odfcHg+3RLV9qKSFOWDVo8ov+ukZ1w=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=iEAFjc9NEMGPUf+lWBLdjyOcWVE5rgTShqVwAxTvh+meIZo+pCU54BOJKebi4Erm5 +GRYQNJ6Z4jJjcUn3aJWaXpvXqvte6idWgzOII94CHG3y8uagfHhGrPOmFU4wmxNDa twvYTSCwMZIehIpc07JwY/XVjoIbGpql/Db6hAj0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.151.177]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N5mGH-1kLG4T1JJT-017B3V; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 12:29:42 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 12:29:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:30:25 +0300") Message-ID: <87r1prx46j.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lLoUMOmqtN2uLWXbI8cS2jZPVHp772Xz6NztjwMPL5/Ih15Kw8a dboD07L73bby1/k7leN+3vKt2ebpzTjiYL0C4M5wq5uJJ9eGIg/ONS4JoPXHYWq4CZ3VWwE R7vSeYdvj7V11hfK38gtZ2d5H8OSWzJ0MUfKnh8v+3lDPnSRQP8fSyKfmz9FxBN1cuxI+Nx b4BEy+DCGPnBCE6ySDDYg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fYHdxmH2MZ4=:4dVdsxvZAyHLKDvGVpd82V MS11aM5J3VyivnoTu6Fnyizgvw0Ox3r9NlJFF5dXZpNvDmbu1hgTSEe3xpi5cHjgeC4UOZ4tx UcsCdnZ2iAhqAh/5ZK5mO++ICteTrvGPWD+zyn9GZT3LBU0zcudhvibLA2QwpKhOyDqMRmezb 0PguFLPJCK1yFpqq6pRZ8ckJ0U/54XjKIZx0MxEWxBSHfKl7Gn+NUa0bMrkErhYbwd9JIEqul 6qzRJ8ZjIXHxmON5t9WbrXczpjtL/TIjKATKuzbAHAKfifN1/7rcVfz3LKsX1CvF5ShDBgJnj gEf9nsajsp78kcmrLjmYPS75HXIIxHxEkyLxN5Jry/dDN6UJyp7YpwH8EwhQrcjAP5lFkVqhd ZpBRCoBvxjaZHOD8fx/cVKTkisGu3472bpIHMjwjmXsTm2M0oNHju058MMXuZ4xhNU6jyXso8 JFHc2Lav9oJXeVxC2xvM6x5lPocKSC3CVaCbD1zNq7stUGsxsK8Mxc26B8Ewn3FLHPrU2P54O KWhAaLmT32HkiP6dJG8X3TvJuP+LFl1HV5IR3Q43AzfxG96j/lmkYDpSM0J80vUR/ogFkUt92 f7+IW/6BOgENaoIy2FAB5niyuGGF33fxnibZNtO+7bLYtzsnzZGNecYrWFB5lYOTEp9P8HZZo sPIGq2r4Ud1YeIQjvSln2Ei6Ew4TsSYHebQenHeDFvgxR311qpxXadgVEd3j5Mmd27Is3iFE5 H8lh/KAp28NT1HoyuvuVhD5Y5dRQ/EoMaWqoHoozUb32Ro5lq6Nt4IaEnaHOqJ1dt/fxSvDtl vVdlYEQIKDJNDs3Xd+fuBVzNvjKvdYTK7qCBQbRe2tEWy4LvbRoNWVQoiFUlG2+nepHLtZ3tY J3stjm7+FhPQKi4mdZWg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Jean Louis writes: > System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); > > According to translation the above is not "Hello" but "Good > afternoon". > > Good afternoon should be rather written between the quotes as: S=EA=A6=B8= =EA=A6=92=EA=A6=BC=EA=A6=A4=EA=A6=92 =EA=A6=B1=EA=A6=B6=EA=A6=84=EA=A6=A4= =EA=A6=92! > > So please update it to be correct: > > System.out.println("S=EA=A6=B8=EA=A6=92=EA=A6=BC=EA=A6=A4=EA=A6=92 =EA=A6= =B1=EA=A6=B6=EA=A6=84=EA=A6=A4=EA=A6=92!"); > > Reference: > https://lingojam.com/JavaneseScript Thanks. However, since I don't speak Javanese, and I don't know how good automatic translators are, I haven't touched the Javanese symbols, and I have added just the Java construct around. Let's see, whether there's somebody with Javanese background who could clarify. Committed to master. Best regards, Michael. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-TMN: [j+8EZkBuDjn0uY7BbnvEZ0bYv6rZYquV] X-ClientProxiedBy: AM5PR0601CA0070.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:206::35) To VI1PR06MB4526.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:803:ac::17) X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <87pn5byg6w.fsf@live.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Received: from pascal.homepc (90.230.29.56) by AM5PR0601CA0070.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:206::35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3499.18 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:24:58 +0000 X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 47 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: c15d49aa-f3ae-49fc-822a-08d875b3f238 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: AM5EUR03HT035: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: HStku8pI8egYD3mDPRCxi6P+fS4t7ryeIFHeAUsEmadL56lJ9ANlRw8oF0+z7/DJaqg0lO8elxsgZDMB6V8xrLJgZhPQeVANod5Ob0vhal4q4mf0v5W9Tk9teigIiPc3LIIUDs332BWfh+4dlHPQYfu4YGdOIFcHd5QeDMMnRoUPLnVWy4w7GnKiYx9k8idwpK9pxDIdRWieUtMRtVAj5AK9g8XnWU6Dq1YB7xCK1N0pYbFEYfeYZfL3AiphkGHM X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: vMLbgwIdj5dbR35G0X4cMwoHnVeMBAWRo6mg2bboa8FHUgtolQxMhV94syiZVvV7GoUIMNiD2BmM0vok0zdYU2rKzX/XBkTC3Q6/Ql4+WQSULUvqdnlD62Ra2zhvIGnuLT40F5rA5NTdGfrVxG0sjQ== X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: c15d49aa-f3ae-49fc-822a-08d875b3f238 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2020 11:25:00.0858 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM5EUR03FT059.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5EUR03HT035 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Michael Albinus writes: > Jean Louis writes: > >> System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); >> >> According to translation the above is not "Hello" but "Good >> afternoon". >> >> Good afternoon should be rather written between the quotes as: S=EA=A6= =B8=EA=A6=92=EA=A6=BC=EA=A6=A4=EA=A6=92 =EA=A6=B1=EA=A6=B6=EA=A6=84=EA=A6= =A4=EA=A6=92! >> >> So please update it to be correct: >> >> System.out.println("S=EA=A6=B8=EA=A6=92=EA=A6=BC=EA=A6=A4=EA=A6=92 =EA= =A6=B1=EA=A6=B6=EA=A6=84=EA=A6=A4=EA=A6=92!"); >> >> Reference: >> https://lingojam.com/JavaneseScript > > Thanks. However, since I don't speak Javanese, and I don't know how good > automatic translators are, I haven't touched the Javanese symbols, and I > have added just the Java construct around. Let's see, whether there's > somebody with Javanese background who could clarify. > > Committed to master. > > Best regards, Michael. Can we keep the joke, and just rename the file to something like "supported-scripts" or similar. So non-programmers would understand ... no guarantee though :-). From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arthur Miller Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Jean Louis , Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160328052510748 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 11:42:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVCVI-0002nI-TZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:42:05 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:54935) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVCVH-0002mm-4Z for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 07:42:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603280484; bh=BIHHHows4EhVCut6rnOeActq6HGUX0VqFAf93V7yvbo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=PxkoEldyTPeFn9hC3rf4TFCovnFlhldOcoWlNhtXmMjd18hu+OJaSIAKTQW+4FLyh P1a3Ha1m4kJBVckoMLQGHEPcWKxPJLrOQ7n9DAs5DPA1yC4lZ507vS/yP1+VVNhwAp t7QUDY5pTo+c24WDuedBQdcByiHAmC+KE7kgkyqM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.151.177]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1ML9yS-1knPpm1SvC-00IBUU; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:41:24 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> <87r1prx46j.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:41:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:24:55 +0200") Message-ID: <87eelrx0v3.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ztuLCcxR9gP3qk9MWP2HQK/jdi42kCKEDFrGgsGdPeqfLSsCiF7 yOWLoLFW0VJWFs4hbVNI4O6u8qn3ZIlkTqMtgXB2srsJx9qvf4brf4Ehqw9d8jx2JJcqG9q k6psKIo4m7m7YA7xPbx0ociVM2I8x5cATlExwEhy+aUpQu9cDSiyF+rq6RKfKGJuIazhpv2 jfW5w+O5M8LD47Zls3Djg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:b5KRSOvfOJc=:g5maFc5hU0Wru2uVCAC6hL bCN5W9e53F8uc8QM1l5ZQUHc75PbFJA2Rz/6n16VOA7VsaWgyzESSNhJVMfalQiIaDrWbHz3f u0cyXDmOlGJvYLyxJP+lArwCyyT82IrMcWNtxRa1JmL9KFYsRUtrBeJo0zpBugKV6uNe+dAhv 55/+X1Bl9w08ymI5uEBwdvV0avVJl8IepidTVaWj5mZIDtf6dBUx+b8XIXQtT07tzayNo/7zL h9/vJJKGOsawBinNtpw6PpOcxsGTI2VC0Zc1R/DGthhmuY4E3azjNh4stE8f6p0mrMAult/TS fX1LEfqfk7Wxma7UP13hlHNiIOM7do3xWQNH+17mMd24RYbxzOX3L5dIhw5RFyE+fuFcFhzrF bQgG5j4/JtEH9rAQeDX+BFOReC3p3Ag/y22pYHrmELTcnF6CIKEWXqECR84HEL2UoxxPo1mmv bkGySBjaFXgDS+YaYYW896nADzGBzn515hHhH+WEZ3NIHBFfwv45VxNzkG/B9gwJtyuT/6c01 SO1x+km9dbR7swAXCaOog7vgcr8iECBYodjSXLQfeyh8TDuQrbgNPiq0d2E/IdLIrIMwZo5Cb 7IR+ZZnO6HB8nK8K3LZ80R59f/d9FKw4JUiBYgH7CTP3f8vlyj/rTV25SPV3xqZy0faUtC4mV zd/dc+r4LNv/E/MqttO1b4mbntNzsr54TnymjivaApHWrorZHcLNmta8ZQj0uaOvJ0uPmXAmj dos0KhGl/Aa1ZdN69CRLxeazS0pWhKPj3/JiXyFU9vRVKtC1HhfgUuDqjoueJtjKB/TL4OmhV vD9GrtdamXMBDR93ykeY7m+DWTPfr5M/n+r8Aq50kMXxvA68P3TSjXp/uhvUpAjlsMMrOi5zR walglKhHs9yPGBMemOFQ== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Arthur Miller writes: Hi Arthur, > Can we keep the joke, and just rename the file to something like > "supported-scripts" or similar. So non-programmers would understand ... > no guarantee though :-). The name of the file doesn't matter. Most people will see its contents via "C-h h". Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: bugs@gnu.support, juri@linkov.net, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160329214714895 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 14:55:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVFWh-0003s4-4L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:55:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50570) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVFWf-0003rs-2b for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:55:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVFWY-0007j4-1H; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:55:34 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3692 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kVFWW-00022k-VI; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:55:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:55:40 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1prmxw3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87eelrx0v3.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:41:20 +0200) References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> <87r1prx46j.fsf@gmx.de> <87eelrx0v3.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:41:20 +0200 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Juri Linkov , stefankangas@gmail.com, > Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Can we keep the joke, and just rename the file to something like > > "supported-scripts" or similar. So non-programmers would understand ... > > no guarantee though :-). > > The name of the file doesn't matter. Most people will see its contents > via "C-h h". Right. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, I see. But that shortcut is not something universal. For people to invoke it, they= are probably reading about it in some context where is it properly mention= ed? Is it possible to make it clear there it is about scripts supported by= Emacs, not about the greeting itself. -------- Originalmeddelande -------- Fr=E5n: Eli Zaretskii Datum: 2020-10-21 16:55 (GMT+01:00) Till: Michael Albinus Kopia: arthur.miller@live.com, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, stefankanga= s@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org =C4mne: Re: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.printl= n("Sugeng siang!"); > From: Michael Albinus > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:41:20 +0200 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Juri Linkov , stefankangas@gmail.com= , > Jean Louis , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Can we keep the joke, and just rename the file to something like > > "supported-scripts" or similar. So non-programmers would understand ... > > no guarantee though :-). > > The name of the file doesn't matter. Most people will see its contents > via "C-h h". Right. --_000_VI1PR06MB45260DF32030E18A63406E5B961C0VI1PR06MB4526eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ah, I see. 

But that shortcut is not something universal. For people = to invoke it, they are probably reading about it in some context where is i= t properly mentioned?  Is it possible to make it clear there it is abo= ut scripts supported by Emacs, not about the greeting itself. 




-------- Originalmeddelande --------
Fr=E5n: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Datum: 2020-10-21 16:55 (GMT+01:00)
Till: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
Kopia: arthur.miller@live.com, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, stefan= kangas@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org
=C4mne: Re: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.p= rintln("Sugeng siang!");

> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx= .de>
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:41:20 +0200
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>, stefankangas@= gmail.com,
>  Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > Can we keep the joke, and just rename the file to something like<= br> > > "supported-scripts" or similar. So non-programmers woul= d understand ...
> > no guarantee though :-).
>
> The name of the file doesn't matter. Most people will see its contents=
> via "C-h h".

Right.
 --_000_VI1PR06MB45260DF32030E18A63406E5B961C0VI1PR06MB4526eurp_-- From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160329437718744 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 15:32:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVG6i-0004sF-MS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:32:56 -0400 Received: from mail150c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.160]:32962 helo=mail50c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVG6f-0004s6-Sv for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:32:54 -0400 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@bredband.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1603294372; bh=qbEqzIVkgB56cDTZMr0Q+1xExdLvmuh5+LyGueRmaRA=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=Hlv7Cs0rKX313n8bTXbGGdvZMR9cYurwvnHoc7JhhQJFe5gvYFpMZuYu6TpVDQoKl 1gaiQMSUiHgAnrpeSjL30OHYL/uu6WmAyYjJRZyKIyQyKu9/tr8MxNDVvOO/gBKhkP AJxHG/AyLMuWmk8L/xovHMH5DffEwXLmmf6gQ8ZA= Feedback-ID: mattiase@acm.or Received: from stanniol.lan (c-304ee655.032-75-73746f71.bbcust.telenor.se [85.230.78.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail50c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 09LFWjWM011876; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:32:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= In-Reply-To: <871rhsep2z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:32:44 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2A5EF727-1015-40BA-A9F9-17A9C9E39724@acm.org> References: <6860EE8A-9858-4CE0-A77F-546BEE33A87E@acm.org> <871rhsep2z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F18.5F9054A3.0065:SCFSTAT76743386, ss=1, re=-4.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: -4.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=NoevjPVJ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=63Z2wlQ1NB3xHpgKFKE71g==:117 a=63Z2wlQ1NB3xHpgKFKE71g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=ucMQw-l_AAAA:8 a=xW1MPKRdJPW4yJLdwLEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xkTruGkd22MpkFU079mG:22 X-Origin-Country: SE X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) 20 okt. 2020 kl. 20.20 skrev Juri Linkov : > C is the default locale. 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From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: arthur miller , Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus Cc: "larsi@gnus.org" , "43887@debbugs.gnu.org" <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>, "bugs@gnu.support" , "juri@linkov.net" Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160329454119036 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 15:36:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 15:35:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVG9M-0004wx-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:35:40 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com ([209.85.208.42]:42743) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVG9I-0004wR-KF for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:35:36 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id v19so3000781edx.9 for <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:35:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qoRQQf3ibDm5g7DII2q7zUMAQr2UMJASuSqv9FKyQpY=; b=JvzGneqwWknlszcGf2cG+uxNXcABfUB8D6itfRjGimYr6v2NVbSrUt7Pu93nI7Ewjs dTnojoj8aGVqvCvpjTRChGxmexHm0QdXS0+eGTjbpeaBRiXopnj5hf9DLbyXY6X6xe/M AbRo4OSSW8VDDSB62MyeAqjijOUrLud7aqnsMG6CAoxqePEt+yJhbjwzEAMXCK2R0h2M VulC/C8MuJLmUjgd/wUmtJ5mzMSdIXQT67gMsq99dyhjvEwsxPI5lRBTCuZvKhUH9rtw KRszn1YqeTb6WohqZkwpUNuTNKQieZ+hNLHvJ2wkL8EbOWlpy9lVEinv7UjsU8Cf7tr/ OWUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qoRQQf3ibDm5g7DII2q7zUMAQr2UMJASuSqv9FKyQpY=; b=SSShlXeL/QNHu2JbCvFUrXuMdHvmTgDId759Sx9I5ZwqXdr8iVzGmIA4p73IU4xA5N 4TN9CLZ7+3NEEN2tWL2oatNzmsfegWwojha8Ej6i281oZTdVvOU08VncJUiEv9fpwiFP sjsp+2gFGytXxLoUz1i5frmWGxRNLHQ09ZY4HifzuUx/rJDfNg7sZCsY/cC3shvY1eUY dfS6o5k+kQ2UPgFE3LIOrV1ighfP+u7BaaatKMunUNqXGLnioB/Zd36BPD6NCC+HHXeu hXBikFFfA6/87pKIs020+wYpZ8tE6+xE1+2DPkZm0xxXeYiA53P0NkXR8cwIXd+5BadR RMOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533T+UoqcWA98smMitDNCsLFdE1wBcQ3cWv3G/B2qW1WGMGC7tC9 yIZov4C6DzgCWp9NtUItnfh17ZhfwCMA7lh0MW4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyr8ajEfTIkJDO0o39Q0PEeBOotvzfBfwXgppnRIrqzKsMtyoqS2EkHq+/dJESsIpNXdDnDwRqjeWxlgT+JxWo= X-Received: by 2002:a50:ee19:: with SMTP id g25mr3806284eds.160.1603294530739; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:35:29 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> <87r1prx46j.fsf@gmx.de> <87eelrx0v3.fsf@gmx.de> <83r1prmxw3.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 08:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) arthur miller writes: > But that shortcut is not something universal. For people to invoke it, > they are probably reading about it in some context where is it > properly mentioned? Is it possible to make it clear there it is about > scripts supported by Emacs, not about the greeting itself. HELLO already says at the top: This is a list of ways to say hello in various languages. It is not intended to be comprehensive, but to demonstrate some of the character sets that Emacs supports. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160330243114996 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 17:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50498 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVICd-0003td-Fx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:47:11 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:39421) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVICY-0003kQ-IS for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:47:06 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 408CB2000E; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:46:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:34:20 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:37:49 +0200") Message-ID: <87blgv4lsj.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! >> How it would look in JavaScript? > > Don't know, I don't speak JavaScript. It seems in JavaScript the function closest to printing is console.log("Hello"); It would be nicer to use this instead of Java. Hopefully, this will provoke less questions. And JavaScript is more functional than Java, so JavaScript is closer to Emacs Lisp :-) From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160330243615249 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 17:47:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50501 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVICh-0003xf-Ot for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:47:15 -0400 Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:36915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVICc-0003oE-SB for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:47:11 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10D71100003; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:47:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:35:20 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:24:26 +0300") Message-ID: <871rhr4lqv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! >> How it would look in JavaScript? > > Javanese is spoken on island Java, not on island Javascript > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_language But Javanese script is a script like JavaScript: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_script From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:48:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160330244315657 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:48:03 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 17:47:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50503 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVICp-00044H-1x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:47:23 -0400 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:36501) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVICh-0003sZ-Ee for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 13:47:15 -0400 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50895240006; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:45:45 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:30:25 +0300") Message-ID: <87ft6734iq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); > > According to translation the above is not "Hello" but "Good afternoon". Since Javanese native speaker explicitly asked us to use "Good afternoon" instead of "Hello", we shouldn't disregard the requests from native speakers. Please see the request in http://debbugs.gnu.org/759 > Good afternoon should be rather written between the quotes as: Sꦸꦒꦼꦤꦒ ꦱꦶꦄꦤꦒ! > > So please update it to be correct: > > System.out.println("Sꦸꦒꦼꦤꦒ ꦱꦶꦄꦤꦒ!"); Sorry, but this string is gibberish. Perhaps you tried to transliterate the string with the capital letter "S". Please change all letters to lower-case before transliterating them. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160330363418299 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:08:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 18:07:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50523 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVIW1-0004l5-Mo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:07:13 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:59635) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVIVy-0004kt-LH for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:07:11 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0BF2.000000005F9078CD.00004546; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:07:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 21:06:55 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871rhr4lqv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <871rhr4lqv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Juri Linkov [2020-10-21 20:47]: > >> Wait, shouldn't Javanese script be printed using JavaScript, not Java! > >> How it would look in JavaScript? > > > > Javanese is spoken on island Java, not on island Javascript > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_language > > But Javanese script is a script like JavaScript: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_script Then it becomes only Javascript or Java without Javanese script at all, which would more fit the purpose of HELLO file. For example Emacs is written as: ꦼꦩꦄꦕꦱ (I think they do not have capitalized letters). Lisp is written as ꦭꦶꦱꦥ and javascript is written as ꦗꦄvꦄꦱꦕꦫꦶꦥꦠ java is ꦗꦄvꦄ Hello is written as halo and in Javanese script ꦲꦄꦭꦺꦴ From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160330391918783 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 18:11:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50533 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVIac-0004st-Pk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:11:58 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:48465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVIaa-0004sh-OX for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:11:57 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0BF2.000000005F9079EA.00004633; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:11:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 21:11:39 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87mu0g6pez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87ft68av1u.fsf@gmx.de> <87ft6734iq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87ft6734iq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Juri Linkov [2020-10-21 20:47]: > > System.out.println("Sꦸꦒꦼꦤꦒ ꦱꦶꦄꦤꦒ!"); > > Sorry, but this string is gibberish. > > Perhaps you tried to transliterate the string with the capital letter "S". > Please change all letters to lower-case before transliterating them. I just discovered it From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Tomas Nordin Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus , Juri Linkov Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16033112076471 (code B ref 43887); Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2020 20:13:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVKUB-0001gI-Hr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 16:13:27 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:44936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVKU9-0001fz-9b for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 16:13:26 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D01C3160062 for <43887@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 22:13:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1603311198; bh=wJ8zux9yagTAcaqn/IAKpNc6WRDikfHALgaveXPic8w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=NdEMGZUMYHWMnwv3tkcKnSSGA+Ha7NiqvMNqVMJ7aphjbAMqBvAuVlrszCxocC34U YLoUUG4Xz9F3j+7Qein6LysvdjhXquvdSm3LQ+xogsjZ0Zd7xsoK+GpdgLRIs/HtOg tSaCteM3ZtXrz2HhWCzl4g0Jrw15E5vPG/Z/fsfB1U0M0BQZ9NknLhfWU7uHK7l0Ty Cg0rnCfVY3oq0xwjbCF1TekF/Ao281/UYZ0mIiSawB2L40XsxiULsnb3VP24aEz/O9 2/9OzhLTmgTX+vUNxP4KqfE/6zhJE+DnidNVSseDsYj2sNmUuZ5Yl2NPQNuB1vc5bH R7/9wWCfgK2jQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4CGhWd4Tpcz9ryH; Wed, 21 Oct 2020 22:13:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Tomas Nordin In-Reply-To: <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 22:13:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87ft67nxr6.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Albinus writes: > Juri Linkov writes: > > Hi Juri, > >> Not to revert, but to change the authorship of this joke and to adapt it to >> the added Javanese script if you want to take responsibility for handling >> future complaints ;-) > > Will do, no problem for me. Just one question: "emacs -Q" on both Fedora > 32 and Ubuntu 20.04 don't show proper symbols for this (and TaiViet). I > guess it needs another font to be loaded? > >> As for me, I unsubscribe from that kind of jokes, >> I prefer to make fun of corporations, politicians and celebrities, >> but not of unsuspecting groups of people. > > All of them are valid targets for jokes. But there might be simiular > controversies, when such jokes appear in Emacs. I never understood that line as a joke targeting a group of people, more like targeting the naming of a programming language. > > Best regards, Michael. From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tomas Nordin Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Michael Albinus , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160335243019372 (code B ref 43887); Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2020 07:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51324 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVVD4-00052O-Ft for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 03:40:30 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:44251) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVVD2-000529-AF for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 03:40:29 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F7D51C0008; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:40:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87ft67nxr6.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:58:53 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87ft67nxr6.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Tomas Nordin's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2020 22:13:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87v9f2pv5e.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I never understood that line as a joke targeting a group of people, more > like targeting the naming of a programming language. Would you agree that since we use Javanese script now, we should target the programming language Javascript instead of Java? From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, Tomas Nordin , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160335652526298 (code B ref 43887); Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2020 08:48:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVWH7-0006q6-7l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 04:48:45 -0400 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:47571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVWH5-0006py-52 for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 04:48:43 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.51]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002A0B3E.000000005F914769.00003D5D; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:48:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:48:27 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87ft67nxr6.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87v9f2pv5e.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87v9f2pv5e.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/+ (1036f0e) (2020-10-18) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Juri Linkov [2020-10-22 10:40]: > > I never understood that line as a joke targeting a group of people, more > > like targeting the naming of a programming language. > > Would you agree that since we use Javanese script now, we > should target the programming language Javascript instead of Java? But is Javanese going to be shown? -- Jean Louis From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:55:25 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, Tomas Nordin , Michael Albinus , larsi@gnus.org, 43887@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.160339747032755 (code B ref 43887); Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2020 20:11:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53999 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVgvW-0008WE-6R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:11:10 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:48573) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVgvS-0008Ve-It for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:11:08 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 94D121C0003; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:10:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sc2zgy9.fsf@gmx.de> <83mu0ip8q2.fsf@gnu.org> <871rhuxnzg.fsf@gmx.de> <878sc2kmsq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1ptb5mm.fsf@gmx.de> <87ft67nxr6.fsf@fliptop.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <87v9f2pv5e.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:10:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:48:27 +0300") Message-ID: <87zh4e2f9x.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > I never understood that line as a joke targeting a group of people, more >> > like targeting the naming of a programming language. >> >> Would you agree that since we use Javanese script now, we >> should target the programming language JavaScript instead of Java? > > But is Javanese going to be shown? Yes, Javanese is still shown, so I changed Java to JavaScript, because this is much better: we are making a pun from the phrase "Javanese script", not targeting people of the Java island.