From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.160115280031654 (code B ref -1); Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:40:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2020 20:40:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47820 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz9-0008EU-PT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:59 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz8-0008EM-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz8-0002Di-0R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:58 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:39663) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMGz6-0002XD-0Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:39:57 -0400 Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:197.239.40.117]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1) by stw1.rcdrun.com with UTF8ESMTPSA id 0000000000081F4E.000000005F6FA719.00000AA8; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 13:39:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000C2378.000000005F6FA714.00005079; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=admin@protected.rcdrun.com; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/26 12:02:28 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) I do not agree that the menu option under Help -> About Emacs is giving meaningful information to user: This is GNU Emacs, one component of the GNU/Linux operating system. GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 15, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.14.8, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2020-09-24 Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc. To follow a link, click Mouse-1 on it, or move to it and type RET. Authors Many people have contributed code included in GNU Emacs Contributing How to report bugs and contribute improvements to Emacs GNU and Freedom Why we developed GNU Emacs and the GNU system Absence of Warranty GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Copying Conditions Conditions for redistributing and changing Emacs Getting New Versions How to get the latest version of GNU Emacs More Manuals / Ordering Manuals Buying printed manuals from the FSF One basic example is that the page does not tell to user that Emacs is editor. So the "About Emacs" is not straight to the point to tell what Emacs is. For example if I open Gnumeric -> Help -> Info I can see it is spreadsheet, as it is written, so it is with many applications. With Emacs, it is not even written that it is text editor. This statement may appeal strange to developer, please assume viewpoint of a beginning user or just somebody who finds application on a screen in computer club or Internet point, and wish to find about it. It should not be realization after reading many pages, it should be written that it is for text editing. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.16011887516691 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2020 06:39:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48214 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMQL0-0001jq-Jo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:39:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53262) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMQKy-0001jc-Fj for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:39:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47465) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMQKt-00047o-6U; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:39:03 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1599 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kMQKs-0005oO-6P; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:39:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:38:47 +0300 Message-Id: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Jean Louis > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200 > > One basic example is that the page does not tell to user that Emacs is > editor. So the "About Emacs" is not straight to the point to tell what > Emacs is. What would you suggest to say there? Emacs is not just an editor, but OTOH whatever we want to say we need to say succinctly, so as not to overflow the single line we have for that. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.16011895577878 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 06:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2020 06:52:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48231 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMQXs-00022s-HS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:52:37 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:40187) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMQXq-00022e-EH for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 02:52:26 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.80.35.45]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000081F4C.000000005F7036A3.00003AB5; Sat, 26 Sep 2020 23:52:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:52:15 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Eli Zaretskii [2020-09-27 09:39]: > > From: Jean Louis > > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 22:39:48 +0200 > > > > One basic example is that the page does not tell to user that Emacs is > > editor. So the "About Emacs" is not straight to the point to tell what > > Emacs is. > > What would you suggest to say there? Emacs is not just an editor, but > OTOH whatever we want to say we need to say succinctly, so as not to > overflow the single line we have for that. That is good question how to formulate the designation for characteristics that is not only the text editor. For me, it is ready user interface that I use to manage the database and collect information, yet all those functions are still text editor functions. It is viewing images, PDF, epub, djvu files, it is much more than text editor. That is important point that shall be presented. For me it is: general computing environment Jean From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.160119161910948 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2020 07:26:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMR5H-0002qV-1Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:26:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58616) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMR5C-0002qD-6m for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:26:57 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47780) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMR56-0000Z8-NL; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:26:48 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4702 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kMR52-0005KB-Rp; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 03:26:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 10:26:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83zh5bof2y.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:52:15 +0300) References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:52:15 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org > > For me it is: general computing environment That sounds too general and abstract to be useful. E.g., I could say the same about any modern OS. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.160122170820256 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2020 15:48:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50255 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMYuZ-0005Ge-Py for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:48:28 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:58649) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMYuX-0005GQ-GP for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:154.228.43.120]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000081F4E.000000005F70B442.000069B0; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:48:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:48:15 +0300 From: Jean Louis Message-ID: <20200927154815.GB13911@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> <83zh5bof2y.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83zh5bof2y.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Eli Zaretskii [2020-09-27 10:27]: > > Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:52:15 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > For me it is: general computing environment > > That sounds too general and abstract to be useful. E.g., I could say > the same about any modern OS. Yes, it is too general for public. I am using Emacs to make applications within Emacs. We can see that Tetris, Pong and other games can be made within Emacs, so it is foundation for development. Maybe Emacs does not fit anywhere into any known group, it may be unique. It is used as IDE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment What I wish to say, it is platform for development of applications that run within Emacs. Maybe it is not common to develop full applications in Emacs Lisp, but that is what it is for me. How to name it? Hard to say. Jean From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Jean Louis Cc: 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.16012340546739 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:15:01 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2020 19:14:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50479 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMc7i-0001kc-EC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:14:14 -0400 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:54202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMc7f-0001kO-S8 for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:14:13 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08RJB5vl029427; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:14:06 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=ry0GpN17y+9FfxISycQj2JpOgSwtYWzdRXDoq8w967E=; b=P4EfCROcyHUFfdhDUnhBp//k39YaQpTBlK371FLzHTs23YZq07/pvKwez6aJn9g0cbEi I8xXdqKHf+brLnBxPrU4bczA5cV1CkL18HDWpLCSraQ0xG/cRfewwq4QBiRgL3JQcVmf 2vLPwsze1zZWN4Mnq2nQluoXbzYMzrxf8tXbi/4yGMLs9TrWWlQjWp0GXpsl+VochVNE mrKtZgNue0KoOtTmY6tMTh25/Pluy65MngIC9IB4fnjdVHCEXcA7eHVs0xDye7w7v9GJ tbjPVTTYfmbzxlfYlSfG4iKfTa6NUZ37xJHBmbIRk4o23O6NAwB8K9bXnW0It4Kl2hc/ gQ== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33sx9mtahf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:14:06 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08RJAkEg012268; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:14:05 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33tfdnyx8x-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:14:05 +0000 Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08RJE4Ae027602; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 19:14:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9c2cd7e8-7baf-4b9d-893e-ea182bd1eebc@default> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:14:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <> <<833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org>> <<20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com>> <<83zh5bof2y.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83zh5bof2y.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9757 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009270182 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9757 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009270182 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) > > For me it is: general computing environment >=20 > That sounds too general and abstract to be useful. E.g., I could say > the same about any modern OS. Yes. IMO, nearly any list of general labels won't be very helpful. It might suffice to say at the outset that you can do lots of things with Emacs - it is a text editor and more. IOW, the old "kitchen sink". It's by examples (even descriptions of examples) that we can convey the breadth of "what you can do" with Emacs. A list of labels won't help anyone much, IMO. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jean Louis Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.16012646964445 (code B ref 43636); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 03:45:03 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2020 03:44:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50940 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMk5v-00019d-W2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:44:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kMk5u-00019Q-Az for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:44:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kMk5p-0004F5-20; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:44:49 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kMk5m-0008Fy-Me; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:44:46 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:52:15 +0300) References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:44:46 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > What would you suggest to say there? Emacs is not just an editor, but > > OTOH whatever we want to say we need to say succinctly, so as not to > > overflow the single line we have for that. > That is good question how to formulate the designation for > characteristics that is not only the text editor. "Text editor and more"? "Text editor and much more"? "Text editor^2"? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Richard Stallman Cc: eliz@gnu.org, Jean Louis , 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.16386656366400 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 05 Dec 2021 00:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 00:53:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55730 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtfmt-0001fA-Vh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 19:53:56 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:43590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtfms-0001eq-9I for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 19:53:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xEVr5vQJ0K/8Xz74kGlPtHEGDXLWNEleuKGGwLz+ZPw=; b=JQm46L26Ez7zcNxxjbLlm3mp1d BPX9g/hbw6v9Vn3TXsP1yq44WRiLzwTuHC+JpiwAtIHJizWfuQBcKMktN0U8Vj1+BO2xEt2yGw+/6 mU8NnFcV2iaY1zl5UGnzg1u1Sl7JFAE6Gvz6pJj7DJJtMO0sDxYdUynJun8xeHeG9S7I=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtfmh-000287-1m; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 01:53:46 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> X-Now-Playing: Genesis's _Wind & Wuthering_: "Afterglow" Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 01:53:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:44:46 -0400") Message-ID: <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > > That is good question how to formulate the designation for > > characteristics that is not only the text editor. > > "Text editor and more"? Now done in Emacs 29. 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Sun, 5 Dec 2021 01:46:36 +0000 Received: by kubenode509.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5e98dab55dcf5f4efe12102816718a67; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 01:46:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 09:46:25 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 01:53:42 +0100") Message-ID: <875ys3u8lq.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 324 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> > That is good question how to formulate the designation for >> > characteristics that is not only the text editor. >> >> "Text editor and more"? > > Now done in Emacs 29. How about "the text editor of the GNU operating system?" 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu writes: > How about "the text editor of the GNU operating system?" I think there's more GNU text editors? We wouldn't want to slight anybody. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu writes: > How about "the text editor of the GNU operating system?" I think there's more GNU text editors? 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Sun, 5 Dec 2021 02:09:45 +0000 Received: by kubenode516.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9d98d14d874e1602573a0c5304615fd7; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 02:09:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> <875ys3u8lq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v903u809.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 10:09:33 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87v903u809.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 02:59:18 +0100") Message-ID: <871r2ru7j6.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 291 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Po Lu writes: > >> How about "the text editor of the GNU operating system?" > > I think there's more GNU text editors? We wouldn't want to slight > anybody. Hmm, then how about "a text editor of the GNU operating system"? From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 10:05:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Richard Stallman , Jean Louis , 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.163869868418989 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 05 Dec 2021 10:05:03 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 10:04:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56407 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtoNn-0004vL-89 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 05:04:43 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:52999) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtoNm-0004ua-AD for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 05:04:34 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3847A240005; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:04:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 11:20:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 01:53:42 +0100") Message-ID: <86bl1ve82o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > That is good question how to formulate the designation for >> > characteristics that is not only the text editor. >> >> "Text editor and more"? > > Now done in Emacs 29. This is a minor issue but still manifestation of imperfection: the block cursor is now placed on the first letter of "It's", that makes it less readable. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov writes: > This is a minor issue but still manifestation of imperfection: > the block cursor is now placed on the first letter of "It's", > that makes it less readable. Previously point was on the > next empty [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov writes: > This is a minor issue but still manifestation of imperfection: > the block cursor is now placed on the first letter of "It's", > that makes it less readable. Previously point was on the > next empty line by default =F0=9F=98=89 =F0=9F=98=80 Now fixed, and I made it more resilient towards changes like this. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:15:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#43636: 28.0.50; About Emacs, shall be descriptive and point to Info file Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 19:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43636 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: eliz@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Jean Louis , 43636@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 43636-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43636.163873409912931 (code B ref 43636); Sun, 05 Dec 2021 19:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 43636) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 19:54:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtxb3-0003MP-4n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 14:54:59 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55296) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtxb1-0003M9-8z for 43636@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 14:54:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=7e3h/thAOYTqX72MN+yaKARX/L80k4/0imVSPT8HeBk=; b=knyjXH6PTg00e+gBnZBFjARhya nuh+b3Z73BsuujqAx6aBluWHqO5zDpneXvhg1CWbSYWCxQDqIzG8LCDedm8r6V7l1U4K8QexC4XFI LDWYrxNlOocpegtjyC2KR0U8cPwAjaIPl/7EO97FB7VCZn7x46aDaxWekadFooNPGIQ4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtxas-0002NF-M0; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 20:54:45 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <833633pvuw.fsf@gnu.org> <20200927065215.GB13324@protected.rcdrun.com> <87mtlfx46h.fsf@gnus.org> <875ys3u8lq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v903u809.fsf@gnus.org> <871r2ru7j6.fsf@yahoo.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUmIiSMfHPIwr// ///XfD68AAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UMBRMvJqYCnRsAAAGPSURBVCjPRdFBa6NAFAfw l1KH6MmCKepJignqp3BDG8KeTFGpPZlFhySfws0hbHMyIUrrKQYDOp9ynTG2c5of/5nHezwAmKtW rRZRAvTMeasWSJTeMPkUiBG2VxuGCq5/IONVC+2GPzXamD0u9cxSpG/4E0Vm1Rjw72GPBuE9/53c rfcvHYwW9X72g8/dlkE2LtHg33HbJxF8XLZ2h6MOX8sDg2QetQHR06RDrklYP9+w0yVs9MjNNX4L HQrRzK0m/tAZNL3YuKsvo0f8Vy7YqKCFTQVyrnRYBCkMXwUG0ePPwD/NJJYEoxOgyW7eYVECsrbP FOPGPwBSpvcUavayhJHnMSjXaZk8ZSZHwV1f63B5eJ9S3JF0gJ6VIqdAxAX/hEhD0S7KsU6P5I2h iVMhfSQVQ3A9ocQnZwreKzMhCQhbKsrLbPbL6yD4ZbEYeBv2R30PC4dbWyxRg2UWcat2DtpbIHoV RDHD2JViByrMno1BenAWFWYFrnD/YCN3lFFkYEsguCKbxwUYiYpjc/Afhu+BQQa9QocAAAAldEVY dGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTItMDVUMTk6NDc6MzgrMDA6MDCFwShyAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1v ZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEyLTA1VDE5OjQ3OjM4KzAwOjAw9JyQzgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Peter Gabriel's _Peter Gabriel 2_: "A Wonderful Day In A One-Way World" Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 20:54:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871r2ru7j6.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 10:09:33 +0800") Message-ID: <87fsr6rfnh.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu writes: > Hmm, then how about "a text editor of the GNU operating system"? Sounds a bit awkward to me.. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu writes: > Hmm, then how about "a text editor of the GNU operating system"? Sounds a bit awkward to me.. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no