From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:23:47 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#4363 <4363@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#4363 <4363@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen Reply-To: bug#4363 <4363@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:23:47 +0000 retitle 4363 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen reassign 4363 emacs submitter 4363 Ulrich Neumerkel severity 4363 normal thanks From ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Sun Sep 6 15:01:53 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Sep 2009 22:01:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: With (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen 'maximized) (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) allow to nicely enable/disable what might become a fullscreen-mode. There are still some details missing for a perfect fullscreen mode: Windowmanagers still put a titlebar on the fullscreen window. This can be avoided by setting the Motif nodecoration hint. This works in Gnome, KDE, and many windowmanagers. Using --without-toolkit-scroll-bars with the scrollbar on the left, the window should be shifted a couple of pixels to the left. This helps to avoid the unclickable and irritating no man's land between the left screen border and the clickable scrollbar. Otherwise using the scrollbar is more difficult as mouse movements must be very precise horizontally - vertical precision would suffice. What I do here is either to use a negative geometry to avoid that space or I manually reposition that window. Since many windowmanagers do make difficulties here it might be simpler to perform that shifting within the emacs frame. Within Gnome, switching with Alt-TAB between windows causes irritating flicker with an Emacs fullscreen present. In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of 2009-09-06 on gupu2 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10603000 configured using `configure '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--prefix' '/opt/gupu/emacs-git'' From jan.h.d@swipnet.se Sun Sep 6 22:09:02 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Sep 2009 05:09:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: > --text follows this line-- > > Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers > usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. > > Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. > > Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug > and the precise symptoms of the bug: > > With > > (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen 'maximized) > (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) > > allow to nicely enable/disable what might become a fullscreen-mode. > > There are still some details missing for a perfect fullscreen mode: > > Windowmanagers still put a titlebar on the fullscreen window. This can > be avoided by setting the Motif nodecoration hint. This works in Gnome, > KDE, and many windowmanagers. (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen 'fullboth) Note that fullscreen is all done by the window manager. Emacs tells the window manager to put the window in fullscreen and the window manager does all the rest. > > Using --without-toolkit-scroll-bars with the scrollbar on the left, the > window should be shifted a couple of pixels to the left. This helps to > avoid the unclickable and irritating no man's land between the left > screen border and the clickable scrollbar. Otherwise using the > scrollbar is more difficult as mouse movements must be very precise > horizontally - vertical precision would suffice. What I do here is > either to use a negative geometry to avoid that space or I manually > reposition that window. > > Since many windowmanagers do make difficulties here it might be simpler > to perform that shifting within the emacs frame. This all depends on your screen resolution and on the font used. Please provide screen shots. Note that we do not reposition the window, the window manager does that. > > Within Gnome, switching with Alt-TAB between windows causes irritating > flicker with an Emacs fullscreen present. > Irritating flicker in Emacs or the other windows? If the other windows, there is nothing we can do. Jan D. From ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Mon Sep 7 06:08:25 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Sep 2009 13:08:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n87D8OKq014179 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 06:08:25 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:33670) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MkdxH-0006cr-PL for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:08:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkdxE-0008R9-Ll for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:08:23 -0400 Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:43068) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MkdxD-0008Q9-QH for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:08:20 -0400 Received: from ulrich by a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mkdx7-0000cB-Rw; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:08:13 +0200 To: 4363@debbugs.gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Subject: Re: bug#4363: 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <4AA4955E.9010405@swipnet.se> Message-Id: From: Ulrich Neumerkel Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 15:08:13 +0200 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Jan Djaerv schrieb: >Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: >> Windowmanagers still put a titlebar on the fullscreen window. This can >> be avoided by setting the Motif nodecoration hint. This works in Gnome, >> KDE, and many windowmanagers. > >(set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) > >Note that fullscreen is all done by the window manager. Emacs tells the >window manager to put the window in fullscreen and the window manager does all >the rest. Thank you for the hint! I should M-x info, not merely view-emacs-news. With fullboth there are no titles under Gnome, fine! The no mouse's land between left screen side and scrollbar is still there which is irritating for mouse positioning. It is exactly as wide as the internal border. With (set-frame-parameter () 'internal-border-width 0) this can be removed. Ideally, would be part of fullboth, such that (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) restores the original state. Also, the remaining white vertical line on the left side of the screen could be removed in fullscreen. For smaller width of the scrollbar that line looks quite "noisy" and irritates because it suggests that exact positioning is necessary. I tried various resolutions, screens and looked at differences in scroll-bar-width. For some, there opens up a space between (left) scrollbar and fringe - sometimes this is on the right side (perferable): (set-frame-parameter () 'scroll-bar-width 11) http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs/pt.png Ideally, the left side (that's where one is looking at most of the time) looks always the same regardless of screen width. Having some internal border on the right side for padding is less irritating. (I would prefer here to take some pixels off the fringe, all else equal.) Another point is the echo area: The space below the echo area is currently used for padding in fullscreen. This looks irritating because it suggests that some over long line is present and makes me search the entire area, could be lot's of spaces... Like C-x C-e on "\n" Maybe padding is better put to the top or both. For the qvwm windowmanager (preinstalled on IGEL X-terminals) neither maximized nor fullboth works. Yet, other programs are still able to go fullscreen under qvwm (like acroread). What I do there so far with Emacs is to set this Motif nodecoration hint. That removes the decoration. The rest manually with geometries. I manually added that ad-hoc for some time - since about 20.7. Here is one http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs-21.2.50.1-motifhint.tgz >> Within Gnome, switching with Alt-TAB between windows causes irritating >> flicker with an Emacs fullscreen present. > >Irritating flicker in Emacs or the other windows? If the other windows, there >is nothing we can do. After some experiments with other fullscreen programs: It's very probably compiz.real (part of Gnome) - if that is killed, things work as expected. (During Alt-Tab the fullscreen program tries to regain the screen) Things have really improved a lot! Why not put a fullscreen-mode on f11? The settings during http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs/pt.png In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit) of 2009-09-06 on gupu2 Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10603000 configured using `configure '--without-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--prefix' '/opt/gupu/emacs-git'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Message Minor modes in effect: mml-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t overwrite-mode: overwrite-mode-textual Recent input: a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a C-x o C-x b . e m C-x o C-x C-g C-x 7 C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s C-x C-e 8 C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s 9 C-x C-s C-e C-x C-e C-a C-e 1 0 C-e C-x C-e C-g C-x C-g C-g C-x o ) 1 C-e C-x C-e C-x C-s 2 C-e C-x C-e 3 C-e C-x C-e 4 C-e C-x C-e C-e 5 C-e C-x C-e 1 C-e C-x C-e M-! x w s SPC d C-g M-x m a n x w d M-! x w s SPC - r o o t SPC - o u t SPC p t . b u g w x w d M-! d M-x r e p o r Recent messages: Auto-saving... nil [3 times] goto-history-element: Beginning of history; no preceding item [4 times] Quit Invoking man xwd in the background Please wait: formatting the xwd man page... xwd man page formatted /bin/bash: xws: command not found (Shell command succeeded with no output) Making completion list... 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X-CrossAssassin-Score: 3 Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: > Jan Djaerv schrieb: >> Ulrich Neumerkel skrev: >>> Windowmanagers still put a titlebar on the fullscreen window. This can >>> be avoided by setting the Motif nodecoration hint. This works in Gnome, >>> KDE, and many windowmanagers. >> (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) >> >> Note that fullscreen is all done by the window manager. Emacs tells the >> window manager to put the window in fullscreen and the window manager does all >> the rest. > > Thank you for the hint! I should M-x info, not merely view-emacs-news. > > With fullboth there are no titles under Gnome, fine! The no mouse's > land between left screen side and scrollbar is still there which is > irritating for mouse positioning. It is exactly as wide as the > internal border. With (set-frame-parameter () 'internal-border-width 0) > this can be removed. Ideally, would be part of fullboth, such that > (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil) restores the original state. > > Also, the remaining white vertical line on the left side of the screen > could be removed in fullscreen. For smaller width of the scrollbar > that line looks quite "noisy" and irritates because it suggests that > exact positioning is necessary. > > I tried various resolutions, screens and looked at differences in > scroll-bar-width. For some, there opens up a space between (left) > scrollbar and fringe - sometimes this is on the right side > (perferable): (set-frame-parameter () 'scroll-bar-width 11) Well, it is dependent on the screen resolution, the font used and the theme used for the scroll bar. Also, border or not is a matter of taste. > > http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs/pt.png > > Ideally, the left side (that's where one is looking at most of the > time) looks always the same regardless of screen width. Having some > internal border on the right side for padding is less irritating. (I > would prefer here to take some pixels off the fringe, all else equal.) > > Another point is the echo area: The space below the echo area is > currently used for padding in fullscreen. This looks irritating > because it suggests that some over long line is present and makes me > search the entire area, could be lot's of spaces... Like C-x C-e on > "\n" Maybe padding is better put to the top or both. This is hard work for little gain. > > For the qvwm windowmanager (preinstalled on IGEL X-terminals) neither > maximized nor fullboth works. Yet, other programs are still able to > go fullscreen under qvwm (like acroread). What I do there so far with > Emacs is to set this Motif nodecoration hint. That removes the > decoration. The rest manually with geometries. Qvwm probably don't support EWMH. Programs like acroread use override redirect to do fullscreen. I am not willing to do that for Emacs, since if anything goes wrong, you are stuck. > > I manually added that ad-hoc for some time - since about 20.7. Here is one > http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/emacs-21.2.50.1-motifhint.tgz > >>> Within Gnome, switching with Alt-TAB between windows causes irritating >>> flicker with an Emacs fullscreen present. >> Irritating flicker in Emacs or the other windows? If the other windows, there >> is nothing we can do. > > After some experiments with other fullscreen programs: It's very > probably compiz.real (part of Gnome) - if that is killed, things work > as expected. (During Alt-Tab the fullscreen program tries to regain > the screen) > > > > Things have really improved a lot! Why not put a fullscreen-mode on > f11? > I'm not sure F11 is a common key for fullscreen. I'll have to investigate that first. I'm closing this bug, as the bug part has been fixed. Jan D. From ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Tue Sep 22 10:49:14 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Sep 2009 17:49:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8MHnDS7026783 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:49:14 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:58082) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9UG-00043e-Bd for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:49:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9UC-0001XQ-5m for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:49:11 -0400 Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at ([128.130.173.65]:47594) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9UB-0001WQ-R4 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from ulrich by a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9U0-00064t-Ey; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:56 +0200 To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se, ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Subject: Re: bug#4363: 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen Cc: 4363-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 4363@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <4AB908EF.5000305@swipnet.se> Message-Id: From: Ulrich Neumerkel Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:56 +0200 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) >Well, it is dependent on the screen resolution, the font used and the theme >used for the scroll bar. Also, border or not is a matter of taste. The border and scrollbar thing is definitely not matter of taste, if you go fullscreen. You want to use the full screen... So anything that disturbes here makes using Emacs more difficult. >> "\n" Maybe padding is better put to the top or both. > >This is hard work for little gain. The difference between being directly usable or needing "customization". >Qvwm probably don't support EWMH. Programs like acroread use override >redirect to do fullscreen. I am not willing to do that for Emacs, since if >anything goes wrong, you are stuck. Qvwm on IGEL-X-Terminals is an old program indeed. But there is no option for upgrading. Unfortunatly Emacs still needs "manual" customization going into C-sources and guessing where those hints should be put. That is not everybody's turf. I try to avoid that myself delaying upgrades by years. Last time I upgraded was 2002. Everytime the relevant files change a bit so it takes time to adjust. I wonder how other people do that. At least some "better defined" way as simply patching sources manually would be nice. Maybe there is no need to put Motif hints by default. But it would be very helpful to avoid any customization that goes beyond .emacs.el editing. >I'm not sure F11 is a common key for fullscreen. I'll have to investigate >that first. Under Gnome, under Windows. Pretty everywhere it's F11. This is what I use now for Gnome: (global-set-key [f11] 'toggle-fullscreen) (defun toggle-fullscreen () (interactive) (cond ((cdr-safe (assoc 'fullscreen (frame-parameters))) (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen nil)) (t (set-frame-parameter () 'fullscreen 'fullboth)))) From ulrich@complang.tuwien.ac.at Tue Sep 22 10:48:39 2009 Received: (at 4363) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Sep 2009 17:48:40 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8,S_E_X autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at (a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.173.65]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8MHmcDb026743 for <4363@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:48:39 -0700 Received: from ulrich by a4.complang.tuwien.ac.at with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq9Tf-00064o-HH for 4363@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:35 +0200 To: 4363@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4363 closed by Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= (Re: bug#4363: 23.1.50; fullscreen (-mode) almost fullscreen) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: From: Ulrich Neumerkel Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:35 +0200 Not closed, see answer in reply to other mail. 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