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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=userp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/24 13:12:00 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -55 X-Spam_score: -5.6 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.199, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This bug exists since at least Emacs 22. emacs -Q (defcustom bar nil "@@@" :type 'boolean :group 'convenience) M-x customize-set-variable bar Set variable: bar The prompt for the Boolean value is this: [boolean] Set customized value for bar to: (y or n) Set it to WHAT? It turns out that `y' sets the value to `t' and `n' sets the value to `nil'. But there's no way of knowing that. The fault is with function `custom-prompt-variable', or more precisely, with `widget-prompt-value', and then with `widget-boolean-prompt-value'. It's the latter that calls `y-or-n-p'. The value returned by `y-or-n-p' is t or nil, which is OK. But the prompt and the expected inputs are wrong. Even if the prompt said "[boolean] Set customized value for bar to `t': (y or n)" it would be inadequate, because it suggests that if you reply `n' then the variable value remains unchanged. `y-or-n-p' is just wrong here. The comment for `widget-boolean-prompt-value' says that it toggles. But it does NOT toggle. And `customize-set-variable' should NOT just toggle the current value anyway. It should always prompt you for the new value, which may or may not be already the current value. The command needs to be consistent. Maybe the `boolean' widget should be changed to use `widge-prompt-value, not `widget-boolean-prompt-value' or something? That it inherits from the `toggle' widget is fine - that's for the Toggle button in the Customize UI. But `customize-set-variable' needs a better prompt (better behavior). In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2020-08-12 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: 86d8d76aa36037184db0b2897c434cdaab1a9ae8 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.1903.18362.1082) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 24 13:26:47 2020 Received: (at 43593) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2020 17:26:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLV14-0002SE-Pf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:26:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44152) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLV12-0002RA-P3 for 43593@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:26:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kLV0x-0007oP-1U; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:26:39 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1712 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kLV0v-0002Lu-4s; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:26:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:26:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83d02bt7ah.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: <8c3c3f0f-c6ed-4883-b815-1f729879f0d3@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#43593: 27.1; `customize-set-variable': wrong prompt for Boolean value References: <8c3c3f0f-c6ed-4883-b815-1f729879f0d3@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43593 Cc: 43593@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > emacs -Q > > (defcustom bar nil > "@@@" > :type 'boolean :group 'convenience) > > M-x customize-set-variable bar > Set variable: bar > > The prompt for the Boolean value is this: > > [boolean] Set customized value for bar to: (y or n) > > Set it to WHAT? To 'y' or to 'n'. FWIW, I see no problem here, and would understand immediately what is meant. We do this kind of "translation" of boolean values a'll the time in Customize. Let's keep in mind that Customize is for users that aren't Lisp programmers, so we don't want to request them to know what Lisp boolean data looks like. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 24 14:14:50 2020 Received: (at 43593) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2020 18:14:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41661 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLVla-0003hF-AD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:14:50 -0400 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:52380) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kLVlX-0003h2-UL for 43593@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:14:49 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08OIDpbp122805; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:42 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=tJ1sHt2t63sXxR/xDeDCdRhGhM8ERnKTqaGYgczZ268=; b=k9Kg0unbGZlP7bIVES5kGiDoqtSXVEUQNOlI30NtEjx9c3ELvC8vobgC02yd6cbFNM5Q 79ackRwwXPHL+eAF0Z0ltLpQR5FuoExtZYPenG9y/4VXzuGtQ7px6N7Rp7kD6YTl4mga qFuUTRIu6GjC70n17VptbXAkp5tWnK+2nN+YRg5fego5BJt8NXsHSpTlDFhGp66Ilpk8 I1Gcld1nB2v76+M8a/egDhkCe2rS4bmZ8TbzfeiN2zWHYEptmd8CjZBZ/ziQTWQPFryN KNSXeN9iF27W5hTVur8tliXkpZLGCECfalkeRuqzM40zg4+KfPyEIqwC/7Hjv8SAlVZw JA== Received: from aserp3030.oracle.com (aserp3030.oracle.com [141.146.126.71]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33qcpu6rpd-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:41 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 08OIETgv054347; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:41 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 33nujr845j-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:41 +0000 Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 08OIEeqQ010213; Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:14:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <737a449e-1ff4-4ef4-9f5b-f06231703ef8@default> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#43593: 27.1; `customize-set-variable': wrong prompt for Boolean value References: <<8c3c3f0f-c6ed-4883-b815-1f729879f0d3@default>> <<83d02bt7ah.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83d02bt7ah.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9754 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009240134 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9754 signatures=668680 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2009240134 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43593 Cc: 43593@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > FWIW, I see no problem here, and would understand immediately what is > meant. We do this kind of "translation" of boolean values a'll the > time in Customize. Let's keep in mind that Customize is for users > that aren't Lisp programmers, so we don't want to request them to know > what Lisp boolean data looks like. I understand what you're saying. I don't agree that it's clear now for a user. If the prompt said something like this it would be clearer: Set customized value for bar to true (y) or false (n): (y or n) It's wrong to suggest that this is about setting the value to `y' or `n'. And users are used to "(y or n)" being used primarily (almost exclusively) for confirming something. I think the (ab)use of the `y-or-n-p' UI is unhelpful here (misleading, unclear). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 06 07:23:03 2021 Received: (at 43593) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jun 2021 11:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lpqrv-0000n3-Fe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 07:23:03 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58736) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lpqrt-0000mL-Az for 43593@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 07:23:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KSR28GBelIJ0sFe9sM6LAoOrwGOKvPTCnrjoFpFXjXs=; b=ZiyD/F5ZvCQ6Iq8e9LPws8oiIL ik7vWatu+Fy6JhoC6ucpM19YtyxIGQNr1UjwZh9eaRn8s7n37sUPcSSyfunrk4zLTZoeVvyI+DYnr A+gIJE7Uo/3RFZTIn480gOpCxaDj1F6KL9GsQBnYQxX/OwfloWKb6NX+0eXItntnc7so=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lpqrk-0005yL-I2; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 13:22:54 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#43593: 27.1; `customize-set-variable': wrong prompt for Boolean value References: <8c3c3f0f-c6ed-4883-b815-1f729879f0d3@default>> <83d02bt7ah.fsf@gnu.org>> <737a449e-1ff4-4ef4-9f5b-f06231703ef8@default> X-Now-Playing: King Crimson's _The Complete 1969 Recordings (4): Live at Chesterfield_: "21st Century Schizoid Man" Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 13:22:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <737a449e-1ff4-4ef4-9f5b-f06231703ef8@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87v96rqltf.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > If the prompt said something like this it would be > clearer: > > Set customized value for bar to true (y) or false (n): (y or n) > > It's wrong to suggest that this is about setting > the value to [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43593 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 43593@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > If the prompt said something like this it would be > clearer: > > Set customized value for bar to true (y) or false (n): (y or n) > > It's wrong to suggest that this is about setting > the value to `y' or `n'. Yes, I agree that it's kinda obscure. The proposed prompt here is a bit long though, so I've gone with this instead in Emacs 28: "Set customized value for bar to true: (y or n)" -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 06 07:23:06 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jun 2021 11:23:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50834 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lpqry-0000nJ-MB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 07:23:06 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lpqrw-0000mP-LB for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 07:23:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9RzJfEnFiz65LDzK0TUSCT+zXgiXVxPdD6vtp0zFeHc=; b=aSlKrgqw+SmrVTB119DExVnl1K QUVK0jRVrea3oW09JJ2tGQ70uXVPhI/dUoC9IIrbv5YEvdGdGpgsJqPs7fPrRu7HJChtONO1OioI/ fWPFDEbpVeRu3nGtzXpyGBRIP1y1wjCVDLQOKXWsnU4fg/lErxA1ZcZUlGoYNLYkCbqg=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lpqrp-0005yU-9d for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 13:22:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 13:22:56 +0200 Message-Id: <87tumbqltb.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #43593 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 112d6951-4ef0-454b-b8dd-08d928fe42b1 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Jun 2021 15:17:55.4009 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: HP8wDAtGO3N/ZjcZgBhWPA61HEakkGL6bkNFgAl2QM4uR4ujMpBpGXJY8rcS1dWKwByxOzCWbv2eE6N2Hc9REA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN6PR10MB2637 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10007 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=777 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2106060126 X-Proofpoint-GUID: gCsIIEUaDoBionJxsQZGaoQgg-G9-H-W X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: gCsIIEUaDoBionJxsQZGaoQgg-G9-H-W X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10007 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2106060126 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43593 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "43593@debbugs.gnu.org" <43593@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) > > Set customized value for bar to true (y) or false (n): (y or n) >=20 > Yes, I agree that it's kinda obscure. The proposed prompt here is a bit > long though, so I've gone with this instead in Emacs 28: >=20 > "Set customized value for bar to true: (y or n)" Yes, that's fine. Thx. From unknown Sat Aug 09 22:10:12 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 11:24:11 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator