Package: emacs;
Reported by: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 04:21:01 UTC
Severity: normal
Found in version 27.1
Done: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
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From: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 27.1; Elisp manual error, printed text in Interaction buffer Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 06:19:59 +0200
In section 1.3.4 of the Elisp manual (version 27.1), it says that printed text from evaluated code in an Interactive buffer (e.g. *scratch*) is inserted into that buffer, but this is not true when I evaluate such code in a non-customized vanilla Emacs. In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.21, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-08-20 built on buildvm-x86-24.iad2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.12008000 System Description: Fedora 32 (Workstation Edition) Recent messages: hello [2 times] Created wiki link. Auto-saving...done Quit user-error: First node in file [4 times] Quit [3 times] ESC ESC M-1 is undefined Quit funcall-interactively: End of buffer [2 times] Configured using: 'configure --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --disable-dependency-tracking --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-dbus --with-gif --with-jpeg --with- png --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-xft --with-xpm --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-gpm=no --with-xwidgets --with-modules --with-harfbuzz --with-cairo --with-json build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu 'CFLAGS=-DMAIL_USE_LOCKF -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Werror=format-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wp,-D_GLIBCXX_ASSERTIONS -fexceptions -fstack-protector-strong -grecord-gcc-switches -specs=/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/redhat-hardened-cc1 -specs=/usr/lib/rpm/redhat/redhat-annobin-cc1 -m64 -mtune=generic -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fstack-clash-protection -fcf-protection' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro PKG_CONFIG_PATH=:/usr/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/share/pkgconfig' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS XWIDGETS LIBSYSTEMD JSON PDUMPER GMP Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: Info-breadcrumbs-in-mode-line-mode: t global-evil-surround-mode: t evil-surround-mode: t pdf-occur-global-minor-mode: t global-git-gutter+-mode: t evil-escape-mode: t global-display-line-numbers-mode: t projectile-mode: t recentf-mode: t eval-sexp-fu-flash-mode: t 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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com Cc: 43463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#43463: 27.1; Elisp manual error, printed text in Interaction buffer Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:40:04 +0300
> From: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 06:19:59 +0200 > > In section 1.3.4 of the Elisp manual (version 27.1), it says that > printed text from evaluated code in an Interactive buffer (e.g. > *scratch*) is inserted into that buffer, but this is not true when I > evaluate such code in a non-customized vanilla Emacs. Could you please describe in more detail how you evaluate such code in a way that produces results which contradict what the manual says? Because I don't think I understand what you mean by that. Thanks.
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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: dalanicolai <dalanicolai <at> gmail.com> Cc: 43463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#43463: 27.1; Elisp manual error, printed text in Interaction buffer Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:25:13 +0300
[Please use Reply All to reply, so that the discussion gets recorded by the bug tracker.] > From: dalanicolai <dalanicolai <at> gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:59:03 +0200 > > I copy the example text into a *scratch* buffer, and evaluate it by placing the cursor behind the code and > press C-x C-e, the text is then printed in the echo-area. > However the following line from Section 1.3.4 suggests to me that it should get printed within the *scratch* > buffer itself: > > "If you execute example code in a Lisp Interaction buffer (such as the > buffer ‘*scratch*’), the printed text is inserted into the buffer." Would it be enough to say "If you execute ... by typing C-j after the closing parentheses, the printed text is inserted ..." IOW, how to "execute the code in the buffer" was not explained, and we need to explain it. Right?
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From: dalanicolai <dalanicolai <at> gmail.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 43463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#43463: 27.1; Elisp manual error, printed text in Interaction buffer Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:24:48 +0200
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Ah okay thanks, will use reply all then. Yes indeed, I think adding only that would make it less confusing because the word "execute" is somewhat ambiguous here. Then people get a hint and can look it up (looking a bit more I think the C-j functionality is "not really over-advertised"). Of course the part "execute example code" could link to section 27.7 of the Elisp manual and/or in a "Lisp Interaction buffer" could become a link to section 27.10. It might be a little excessive, but the excessive documentation is one of the aspects that makes Emacs my favorite editor. But otherwise just adding the few words would make it much clearer for me already. Thanks again for your great work! On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 16:25, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > [Please use Reply All to reply, so that the discussion gets recorded > by the bug tracker.] > > > From: dalanicolai <dalanicolai <at> gmail.com> > > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:59:03 +0200 > > > > I copy the example text into a *scratch* buffer, and evaluate it by > placing the cursor behind the code and > > press C-x C-e, the text is then printed in the echo-area. > > However the following line from Section 1.3.4 suggests to me that it > should get printed within the *scratch* > > buffer itself: > > > > "If you execute example code in a Lisp Interaction buffer (such as the > > buffer ‘*scratch*’), the printed text is inserted into the buffer." > > Would it be enough to say > > "If you execute ... by typing C-j after the closing parentheses, the > printed text is inserted ..." > > IOW, how to "execute the code in the buffer" was not explained, and we > need to explain it. Right? >
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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: dalanicolai <dalanicolai <at> gmail.com> Cc: 43463-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#43463: 27.1; Elisp manual error, printed text in Interaction buffer Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:39:56 +0300
> From: dalanicolai <dalanicolai <at> gmail.com> > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:24:48 +0200 > Cc: 43463 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes indeed, I think adding only that would make it less confusing because the word "execute" is somewhat > ambiguous here. OK, I've done that, and I'm therefore closing this bug report. Thanks for pointing out the unclear text.
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