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X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist The menu item for cua-mode is, I claim unhelpfully, called "Shift movement mark region (CUA)". I am unable to parse what this even means -- I thought it was about C-x and C-v, etc.? Hmm... so after thinking about it for a while and reading the docstring, I suppose it's saying that Shift-Left will mark things? But that already seems to be the case OOTB in "emacs -Q"? OK, I give up... Could we find a better name for this? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 11 02:54:41 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2020 06:54:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGcxE-00089z-VU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:54:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35102) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGcxD-00089m-D5 for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:54:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48010) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGcx7-0005Ke-Pp; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:54:33 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4478 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGcx7-0006gI-3S; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:54:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:54:39 +0300 Message-Id: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:41:13 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:41:13 -0700 > > The menu item for cua-mode is, I claim unhelpfully, called "Shift > movement mark region (CUA)". I am unable to parse what this even means > -- I thought it was about C-x and C-v, etc.? This doesn't appear by default, so the problem is not an acute one. I think there's a typo there: it should say Shift movement marks the region (CUA) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 11 15:30:30 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2020 19:30:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGokg-0007Pj-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:30:30 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f53.google.com ([209.85.208.53]:38269) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGoke-0007PU-I1 for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:30:29 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f53.google.com with SMTP id c8so11248279edv.5 for <43322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SWnGqdDrRqarjjdeOeSfSEpvkO5xeQUFYzHkobjxi2M=; b=pQYoAEUvCy2jCISF9fMtYN0Ge36d4DT/lUqYscvDZTNFYFJ+tPVe+U7RrCu7olwKgt o5MKgeMHHKn9HrLj3NylKT4vjDgwY//YJS2AvCNj6i8IIdTnmbDr0gG+S/Y+pNawISUG 901FcmXIJPhfp6P6Wxpz8a0n07+VfdQ/E/+bPPjyJBvDFYfne7psS2uAaplJTWFuNyp4 /j9tEFh49Dek/At798pCshk4p5LPYovptmzwQrWf1s2YTdEtMMM9vaOsp0LjnBeCCznV wOvmo5zwi2MzsS5Z+ZjCLHiYsRV7eMjt48fpm9ePoUyEln1N+rpmWP1f+ghGljq2zKH1 T+Kg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530/55JWotzvk9AqcnWBSCxrcKf/q3FZlx7cf0qguQd2Z4ITyGQO QsbVbbVU6Ku8YJEpdtYDKZGwT74CcqbHI53R6BE2IwVv X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxA+a5jgegfWGZwuXdx72IDKV3OxSxakgvV9Dsw+OGc+gRh7+pA7cvZgvkpoSav0qZgJLsHa5vjZ5s5yKw9agY= X-Received: by 2002:a50:ce06:: with SMTP id y6mr4065386edi.273.1599852622696; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:21 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:41:13 -0700 >> >> The menu item for cua-mode is, I claim unhelpfully, called "Shift >> movement mark region (CUA)". I am unable to parse what this even means >> -- I thought it was about C-x and C-v, etc.? > > This doesn't appear by default, so the problem is not an acute one. > > I think there's a typo there: it should say > > Shift movement marks the region (CUA) Ah, right, it's only enabled if cua-enable-cua-keys is nil... (bindings--define-key menu [cua-emulation-mode] (menu-bar-make-mm-toggle cua-mode "Shift movement mark region (CUA)" "Use shifted movement keys to set and extend the region" (:visible (and (boundp 'cua-enable-cua-keys) (not cua-enable-cua-keys))))) But even fixing the typo here seems like it produce the incorrect result, because AFAICT the region is already extended using in "emacs -Q"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 11 15:40:40 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2020 19:40:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45617 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGouW-0007fG-De for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:40:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kGouU-0007f4-GX for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:40:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46337) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGouN-0001h6-Om; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:40:32 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4075 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGouH-0002JH-Em; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:40:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 22:40:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:21 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 12:30:21 -0700 > Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org > > But even fixing the typo here seems like it produce the incorrect > result, because AFAICT the region is already extended using in > "emacs -Q"? What if the user turns off shift-select-mode? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 22 20:37:48 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2020 00:37:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54222 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVl5Y-0000Q2-KU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:37:48 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f43.google.com ([209.85.218.43]:35258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kVl5W-0000Po-Ku for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:37:47 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f43.google.com with SMTP id p5so5032268ejj.2 for <43322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=d5zGKZYuNMLIMnmkF9dTMmEhIg6H4EcwtqsFla37mCk=; b=cSZWUG50ud7jfeNalegVl4NjRzClOVfo7JTLjh8nTRTwvXeoBVovReRq6TofeudqnV j1F0SxIW1cxuD3are47nlUOpDvh0RrrZ2IeL+y81lkrzluJ46HAfYQjNEANUutP0nOpO iKUtFLm+vpZ/50CawCygRLUzGBQMTTbfFbyUnh37tc0jjktIc1QVwCpSg0c9IHznPi40 SZEhxXn3DmCWE5CIheR00Fj0JA9fKqzEJz2xhYov31XLYzZECmAA//Dsq2/phMaW6Tcr g4GWr/kDZODeFXZr5vs9SyRPYyjVeqq8IQsDajSS3FbROHsaeizhIqZnoEyoe5EmCQlT jGtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530BdrsuLuW8+2NY3OwK8OQcTsNm/JbjgvLP1YU6GSXXNhGysH89 0zCopOewMR1a2ydgQwnC8BxY8UA/UjXan/iZNos= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz7kHFeAuaWmbkhA21vcCh4/2OcxcNakfRQDLErG/qwRlxioRGPmVvqKlSaUwtmlRHYKDaxxxWc5iFArrqWLd8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3ed0:: with SMTP id d16mr4990928ejj.477.1603413460880; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:37:40 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 22:40:23 +0300") References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:37:40 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> But even fixing the typo here seems like it produce the incorrect >> result, because AFAICT the region is already extended using in >> "emacs -Q"? > > What if the user turns off shift-select-mode? AFAICT, cua-mode respects shift-select-mode, which makes the menu entry incorrect. I tried using this, in emacs -Q: (progn (setq cua-enable-cua-keys nil) (setq shift-select-mode nil) (cua-mode 1)) And I did not get "Shift movement mark region". In fact, the only way to change that is to set or unset shift-select-mode, with or without cua-mode. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 23 15:57:52 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2020 19:57:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kW3CC-0006EW-M9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:57:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kW3CB-0006EH-CW for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:57:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kW3C5-0002bN-Gt; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:57:45 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4352 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kW3C4-00039h-Gu; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 15:57:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 22:57:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:37:40 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:37:40 -0700 > Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org > > > What if the user turns off shift-select-mode? > > AFAICT, cua-mode respects shift-select-mode, which makes the menu entry > incorrect. > > I tried using this, in emacs -Q: > > (progn (setq cua-enable-cua-keys nil) > (setq shift-select-mode nil) > (cua-mode 1)) > > And I did not get "Shift movement mark region". In fact, the only way > to change that is to set or unset shift-select-mode, with or without > cua-mode. So what do you propose to do about this bug report? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 23 17:17:53 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2020 21:17:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58546 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kW4Rd-0008JI-8M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:17:53 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f51.google.com ([209.85.218.51]:35825) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kW4Ra-0008J2-Rl for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:17:51 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f51.google.com with SMTP id p5so4270763ejj.2 for <43322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9hfDGjOnL82Bu2sNkXbSuDHxLQGyvrZfSbh1ACSQE5E=; b=OYk/OGqSzx0eadzGtCWntg7rYY6TJO1YzzHffAEp66+GzdvNal2LmWuB5pyFtGvH8I HHxJrIuBE3c0N+idRZO6o5cU3t7FAGl4yysDX/2eAhsqur/ncGq9R2VHij8KYuM+wFMR 4Zs+C9mb8fGgyxXq2mbaKNpSC7Hf1OXmXvOviooR04mCxLLuc8QGKhVxfZQZSZ2pbpTT HtejVIQymz7UX+9/K+OOZRd+zd9A39qApreeNf0iFC6xFqdFo8AwtuoSl5F2S7DXgRsf n+CELu1lgOZOD+DMnrF1vMON8ReMGN9m4ZFZWfmKxBfDGl8CinXSltrpqVYMqKC2VwYn zLxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Oo1ze64z4U6YLKVVbow+7f6p9xk5mxafQwLbfG+Q0qVfMbHju tULFcvRsp+UiStNCDyO3lXadZEbGtH815Rs/fYc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy5SSv5Ap/m5s+37Cf9gCJnOaNeRXIdRrtRor6SJ+2yN6hFJ6fQY5jFebxhDsgchN+Jty1lXz6CS3p/RpByatQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3cd:: with SMTP id c13mr3857352eja.25.1603487864986; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:17:42 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:17:42 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> AFAICT, cua-mode respects shift-select-mode, which makes the menu entry >> incorrect. > > So what do you propose to do about this bug report? We should probably replace "Shift movement mark region" with something else. But it's not clear to me how to best describe it; its other features don't really lend themselves to a short one line description. I see two options: 1. Change "Shift movement mark region" to "CUA Mode (without C-x/C-c/C-v)" with tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting C-x/C-c/C-v keys". Perhaps we could even add on to the tooltip the explanatory text " (`cua-enable-cua-keys' is non-nil)". 2. If we can make the assumption that a user who has set `cua-enable-cua-keys' at least vaguely knows what they are doing, perhaps we could get away with just not doing anything special in that case. In that case, we can get rid of the special handling and just show the default menu entry under all circumstances. WDYT? Any other ideas? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 24 04:05:54 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2020 08:05:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58941 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kWEYk-0007rK-Hm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 04:05:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57500) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kWEYi-0007r5-RH for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 04:05:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43827) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWEYd-0001sS-Ie; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 04:05:47 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4942 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kWEYa-0003k7-NQ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 04:05:47 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 11:05:33 +0300 Message-Id: <83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:17:42 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:17:42 +0000 > Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org > > We should probably replace "Shift movement mark region" with something > else. But it's not clear to me how to best describe it; its other > features don't really lend themselves to a short one line description. > > I see two options: > > 1. Change "Shift movement mark region" to "CUA Mode (without > C-x/C-c/C-v)" with tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting > C-x/C-c/C-v keys". Perhaps we could even add on to the tooltip the > explanatory text " (`cua-enable-cua-keys' is non-nil)". > > 2. If we can make the assumption that a user who has set > `cua-enable-cua-keys' at least vaguely knows what they are doing, > perhaps we could get away with just not doing anything special in > that case. In that case, we can get rid of the special handling and > just show the default menu entry under all circumstances. > > WDYT? Any other ideas? I think we should do 1, but how do we name that item? what does CUA mode do nowadays when CUA keys are disabled? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 28 21:05:28 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 01:05:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXwNb-0002em-UX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:05:28 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f42.google.com ([209.85.208.42]:35476) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kXwNZ-0002eY-Rl for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:05:26 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id w25so1451727edx.2 for <43322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Z0jYojAZb0EwcOtl00zD1AhB41ypuyUpKpvRlBQhNng=; b=tJDp559NKWaiv4D4OX8I83sWWAKies+kTpTeHFG8SZDGa+zjgQvVTuzSeWE2uz2wnL /qnlR3+KVYuKwQInVFEG/eVUgGEEEf9HnODMzKQF/ic2DtP0Y4AHtAo4xQVsBX2bq8sa grDsFwovRriEMwlomzF1n5GkQIx++zaS+QGh7RqxUjJLUjEjctfus9Om7ujGnxEuZIuE XsKjB8NvrpbViGWGiurDNhuCpY7mmydHZ5JSFWB746jzvTgt2ID1f6k10WNr5MVsALE8 7bTYh1fJmetlE2p6bg2jVziraQFLlZ+iM8rUECo6O1s+AjkSlwp92+p3G7jzbRzGgmVg z7oQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530/TAJ/WAp6WbM8RphqhjuNVaCfTTJjtbKuCj9l9mje5Ouhudbx KcZiOHV7o+jUXIXb3d0xXZnS3mCZrOF4DH6/jaCtT8xw X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw9MA42DlHlFhz7qH76hUwzljq7b8HOc/eDwIz9NqQUIc8X8fGdeNI0K/z7UZNL4/+zBbGLLr977Umhc6DBy9E= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:c694:: with SMTP id n20mr1702268edq.160.1603933518910; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:05:18 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> <83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> 1. Change "Shift movement mark region" to "CUA Mode (without >> C-x/C-c/C-v)" with tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting >> C-x/C-c/C-v keys". Perhaps we could even add on to the tooltip the >> explanatory text " (`cua-enable-cua-keys' is non-nil)". > > I think we should do 1, but how do we name that item? what does CUA > mode do nowadays when CUA keys are disabled? It has cua-set-rectangle-mark, other than that it only seems to make some relatively minor adjustments to behavior. `cua-mode' Minor Mode Bindings: key binding --- ------- C-S-SPC cua-toggle-global-mark cua-set-rectangle-mark Prefix Command cua-paste cua-exchange-point-and-mark cua-scroll-down cua-scroll-down cua-scroll-up cua-scroll-up cua-set-mark cua-paste cua-paste cua-paste-pop So I'm not sure how to summarize this. My proposal is to name the menu item "CUA Mode (without C-x/C-c/C-v)" and the tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting C-x/C-c/C-v keys". Not sure that the proposal is very good, but it's what I can think of. At the very least it's better than the incorrect text we have now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 10:21:32 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 14:21:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54530 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kY8o0-0003ok-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 10:21:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50142) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kY8nz-0003oV-89 for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 10:21:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40894) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kY8nu-0005Fw-0N; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 10:21:26 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4040 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kY8nt-0001gu-6p; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 10:21:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:21:26 +0200 Message-Id: <83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:05:18 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> <83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:05:18 -0700 > Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org > > My proposal is to name the menu item "CUA Mode (without C-x/C-c/C-v)" > and the tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting C-x/C-c/C-v keys". Sounds good (though I would use "without rebinding" instead of "setting"). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 11:01:16 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 15:01:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kY9QS-0004uM-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:01:16 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f49.google.com ([209.85.208.49]:33148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kY9QR-0004u2-0q for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:01:15 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f49.google.com with SMTP id v4so3412363edi.0 for <43322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JhXnnRqv+gWxCFa113ypdUn3sEPQuRtEaCuLj/nO0Aw=; b=nRTpGkFcoC69rIa3SfIy0LG41Sz2TlzN/V5ZnYz5Z3/CHWdN5yH4rUw4JMtXKYyk4I 9GUyB+6PhOIWepVQJ4n4m3UAzm7MXhxkc44zMmeZo8I+Rg+9J95qSfz4ZglkQ/rSPiNY Qb4bA3muxefVTYIzfVM/6j56vXoPBbgtKHKbVJufpyFgbwvvEhwibXrDnZF9UfRyGU2a dKwr9s3qiPPfH/2QhbLIUFJDzSx+CsK454Gy29bSiV9hchCHtZlKu+0A69s81TXhkK4T SijjIQpoIbgAPfxo4Hvnqb4N//lLGK77MACeHqyWQj3pCVcs6GzJefiahO4+46+pkG+K s0CA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ONFdb7rbAdi+C/so+jEaaxsabZj3wzBZt6czYbTr4EEYWNcyi d3nU0wnz0wcbn2xDh1nR6E7tcK6kl54niWFzcBA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz84zwnc93l4iPD1+2TnAgj0RbsFrBlCL4UdjDMRYeB6d+w9Q2OID2O81+ZYGr4Mg+Hf5TiLLoFv7yt+QCCVI4= X-Received: by 2002:a50:bb25:: with SMTP id y34mr2228175ede.249.1603983669157; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 08:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:01:08 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org> <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org> <83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:01:08 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 43322 28.1 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: >> My proposal is to name the menu item "CUA Mode (without C-x/C-c/C-v)" >> and the tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting C-x/C-c/C-v keys". > > Sounds good (though I would use "without rebinding" instead of > "setting"). Fixed on master. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 12:51:26 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 16:51:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYB94-0001Mz-A7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:51:26 -0400 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:49914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYB92-0001Mn-Un for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:51:25 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09TGnYIU120610; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:51:19 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=tt5s2DeyZWKPiFzHugYTGiejTVLjd1iuHPrErefHK+U=; b=nI81vV3m9e8lqHd5IKNcJPthzdaEwBuapFAxPc5rCDXosXI8r9MbvpJDan/VRBEt+1jw hN5UHjHHE6fssjs8m4Z5N5HcGq8/8h0tYSmrzaFB9hyI7hlvFUMxWBnUh7In6KY7jiac nuSZsepP39mEeI0Hy9kTjmWwbBCIL7Et3z7qdEskPNu4SAxbEzhfTvYB41r/gvADlQe0 8Ks0dqQDKA+I81lfVDvB5oG7jeO1Tjck9uEEz9bn7AOoebMNVxmhoM+Oq+GDilZfI88r aV4GkmO+YR12m6KhwqVRbKiR93Gch9YZTIKIUetzrPdyei/grHpcS7PzHamgGhwjoind nw== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34c9sb63aw-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:51:18 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09TGkQBw134415; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:51:18 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34cx1tefjx-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:51:18 +0000 Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09TGpEHj021858; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:51:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0421a811-2ed3-4e1d-a2e0-bd12accf73ef@default> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <> <<83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9788 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010290116 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9789 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010290116 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > My proposal is to name the menu item "CUA Mode (without C-x/C-c/C-v)" > > and the tooltip "Enable CUA Mode without setting C-x/C-c/C-v keys". >=20 > Sounds good (though I would use "without rebinding" instead of > "setting"). Sorry, haven't followed this thread. But just seeing that (out of context), I wonder what is meant by it. Isn't there a better way to describe/name whatever behavior is meant by CUA without C-x/C-c/C-v? Those keys are what most people think of when they think of CUA, no? How about some positive description, instead of this? This seems a little like taking a walk without walking. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 13:09:21 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 17:09:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYBQO-0001ou-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:09:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYBQN-0001oh-Ub for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:09:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYBQF-0002HF-1v; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:09:13 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2411 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kYBQD-0006WA-Mk; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:09:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:09:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83pn51arih.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: <0421a811-2ed3-4e1d-a2e0-bd12accf73ef@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <> <<83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org>> <> <<83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org>> <0421a811-2ed3-4e1d-a2e0-bd12accf73ef@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 09:51:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org > > How about some positive description, instead of > this? Feel free to suggest one. We tried (in the thread you didn't follow). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 13:54:53 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 17:54:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54900 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYC8T-0002xp-2H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:54:53 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:59648) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYC8R-0002xd-EQ for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:54:51 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09THn91k176556; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:54:45 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=YUaR8pZxr5V563DYpoSXgFBQIQ5WW+9zJv18pMzQk1E=; b=P2cFVLT1IjCCGm3a4m3A8o6StAmgZGx5E/A/Ncc6FNxctPZhq7hdQ9zgRmDv0kZ+lkH2 H6XMZXrljk/NZgeOI5HTxQzpgQ9+c+L7Lqj0iYMif0GUS3DXgFOLDG4Szs1II1Yvkr4T mLSZNR31doM5BNo1WIYElNy9fcV0c5IjirkYhPzMYGtQYWIGJ9NS0OBcWTz7B/0Ks9eD 3ks2Pa44TMWd0uH1c/8IKEnXQFl8cHZJfQUhPLN1fwJCMB2/NMiYNHRA56ZxO3PM3Not fV48SGLKDHG+ME3N/lhnmOceykTpG6PQrC3RtHt7SsbIYQomKgzXdkxOPWN5pEad3QG4 Ng== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34cc7m67sh-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:54:45 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09THkPVZ174825; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:54:45 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34cx1tguk7-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:54:44 +0000 Received: from abhmp0013.oracle.com (abhmp0013.oracle.com [141.146.116.19]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09THsiH1031338; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 17:54:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9bf3fa80-8bf6-4f4d-9751-a2022655fb47@default> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 10:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Subject: RE: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode References: <<>> <<<83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<>> <<<83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<>> <<<83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<>> <<<83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<>> <<<83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<0421a811-2ed3-4e1d-a2e0-bd12accf73ef@default>> <<83pn51arih.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83pn51arih.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5056.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9789 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010290124 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9789 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010290124 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > How about some positive description, instead of > > this? >=20 > Feel free to suggest one. We tried (in the thread you didn't follow). If I knew CUA mode, and in particular what it is minus those keys, I would. Sorry, I don't. If you've already tried and failed, so be it. I guess the conclusion is that users of this will know well enough what is meant by it, and people who can't guess won't need to know... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 29 14:15:23 2020 Received: (at 43322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Oct 2020 18:15:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYCSJ-0003TT-Nb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:15:23 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-f45.google.com ([209.85.167.45]:41597) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kYCSI-0003T3-V3 for 43322@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:15:23 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-f45.google.com with SMTP id 126so4502611lfi.8 for <43322@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DMtiMg8+dz/dR8jZoC4F+MpDztwsWsz1mKPyzv7FkLI=; b=iRpz3tC1qEj1+Uuvzlbss9zIva81IzPWTRuU5B1VaM7lGXdPVgxkZumO5G0YJvewFR WaF3LYa40jUt8VcICBAxC6dlxPdaWUnFX80UlJB2tY5PVlWadQ0Kpb0GvGvFjV2s0C02 rJswD7R7XGIZET+n+44iOxo08Aqm0JeOjVhaUhcGCPxF6O4+cgOJLJB/DPEc14r+/MM8 gIUXkyVbguWCbvJL1SPQuaXpAelhT732QhBNx+FYCmrS+5jBRqQVSzO53dzsAIdsnV3N lLfFHkuUAO09v3NdvmjTazmzTc/Y93BsYlvQpa+1dmhmkx2Ea+u6gPBMqIQeqJX+eHDl OL1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531LTVH8JnvzOGY3Xjk8KvmC7MvPUFF8OFOckbGUbeaLUiJ4qlNL xq0mfwf0fVCg77ixQIvAicSMOwmqzsm/83JSrFw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyhx+y68TzKaZ61zvxNdmo89Z//ngv4OwWR5ANynWl/hJWjH+crcKwkmE36zfYRClJ1QZKC1EWaVntb8D+28ak= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5edd:: with SMTP id d29mr1980857lfq.159.1603995317074; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:15:16 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <9bf3fa80-8bf6-4f4d-9751-a2022655fb47@default> References: >> <83wo10hkgg.fsf@gnu.org>>> >> <83363of6fs.fsf@gnu.org>>> >> <83d018iul1.fsf@gnu.org>>> >> <83zh4cgib6.fsf@gnu.org>>> >> <83wnz9aza1.fsf@gnu.org>>> <0421a811-2ed3-4e1d-a2e0-bd12accf73ef@default>> <83pn51arih.fsf@gnu.org>> <9bf3fa80-8bf6-4f4d-9751-a2022655fb47@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:15:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: bug#43322: Confusing menu entry for cua-mode To: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43322 Cc: 43322@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > If you've already tried and failed, so be it. Yes, we couldn't find a better summary, unfortunately. Hopefully someone with more knowledge of CUA Mode will revisit and improve this in the future. From unknown Fri Aug 22 01:04:37 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator