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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR04-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/07 06:31:20 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows NT kernel [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) After I updated source from git and rebuild emacs, I am getting "void-function subr-native-lambda-list" error on lots of external packages when I try to load my init file. I tried both -O3 and -O2 with same (un)success. My eln-cache is since 18. and 21. august, do I need to delete old eln files manually? Or do I need to add some extra path to my init file? Used to work without problems in earlier builds :-). Thankfull for the help. best regards /a In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, cairo version 1.17.3) of 2020-09-07 built on pascal Repository revision: eb8742598874d9bd4c84ff54730527c52d29d7ff Repository branch: feature/native-comp Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12009000 System Description: Arch Linux Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: sv_SE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t 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Sep 2020 08:39:22 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGQa-000781-By for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:39:20 -0400 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 087CdJxX029817; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 12:39:19 GMT From: Andrea Corallo To: arthur.miller@live.com Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:39:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: (arthur miller's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:16:08 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) arthur.miller@live.com writes: > After I updated source from git and rebuild emacs, I am getting > "void-function subr-native-lambda-list" error on lots of external > packages when I try to load my init file. I tried both -O3 and -O2 with > same (un)success. > > My eln-cache is since 18. and 21. august, do I need to delete old eln > files manually? Or do I need to add some extra path to my init file? > > Used to work without problems in earlier builds :-). Thankfull for the > help. > > best regards > /a > > > > In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, cairo version 1.17.3) > of 2020-09-07 built on pascal > Repository revision: eb8742598874d9bd4c84ff54730527c52d29d7ff > Repository branch: feature/native-comp > Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12009000 > System Description: Arch Linux > > Configured features: > XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY > INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB > TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD JSON > PDUMPER LCMS2 Hi Arthur, is it possible that the Emacs you are using is not compiled activating the native compiler (--with-nativecomp)? We should see NATIVE_COMP within the "Configured features:" above. OTOH this is telling that compiling the native-comp branch without activating the native compiler has a problem there. I'll fix it. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the anser; it can be problem to my machine. I have a shell script that does build native for me, but it seems like afte= r latest system update libgccjit does not pass the test in configure-script= . My shell script goes to build after configure automatically, so I haven't= noticed untill I just tried manually. I am not sure if that is the problem= but it could be, I will see how Emacs builds after libgccjit is rebuilt (u= sually takes a while on my comp, so I am not sure I will have it today). regards /arthur ________________________________ Fr=E5n: Andrea Corallo Skickat: den 7 september 2020 14:39 Till: arthur.miller@live.com Kopia: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org <43255@debbugs.gnu.org> =C4mne: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-nati= ve-lambda-list arthur.miller@live.com writes: > After I updated source from git and rebuild emacs, I am getting > "void-function subr-native-lambda-list" error on lots of external > packages when I try to load my init file. I tried both -O3 and -O2 with > same (un)success. > > My eln-cache is since 18. and 21. august, do I need to delete old eln > files manually? Or do I need to add some extra path to my init file? > > Used to work without problems in earlier builds :-). Thankfull for the > help. > > best regards > /a > > > > In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23,= cairo version 1.17.3) > of 2020-09-07 built on pascal > Repository revision: eb8742598874d9bd4c84ff54730527c52d29d7ff > Repository branch: feature/native-comp > Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.1200900= 0 > System Description: Arch Linux > > Configured features: > XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY > INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB > TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD JSON > PDUMPER LCMS2 Hi Arthur, is it possible that the Emacs you are using is not compiled activating the native compiler (--with-nativecomp)? We should see NATIVE_COMP within the "Configured features:" above. OTOH this is telling that compiling the native-comp branch without activating the native compiler has a problem there. I'll fix it. Thanks Andrea --_000_VI1PR06MB4526891D7BEB6DE3916EAC5796280VI1PR06MB4526eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the anser; it can be problem to my machine.

I have a shell script that does build native for me, but it seems like afte= r latest system update libgccjit does not pass the test in configure-script= . My shell script goes to build after configure automatically, so I haven't= noticed untill I just tried manually. I am not sure if that is the problem but it could be, I will see how Emacs= builds after libgccjit is rebuilt (usually takes a while on my comp, so I = am not sure I will have it today).

regards
/arthur
Fr=E5n: Andrea Corallo <= akrl@sdf.org>
Skickat: den 7 september 2020 14:39
Till: arthur.miller@live.com <arthur.miller@live.com>
Kopia: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org <43255@debbugs.gnu.org>
=C4mne: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function su= br-native-lambda-list
 
arthur.miller@live.com writes:

> After I updated source from git and rebuild emacs, I am getting
> "void-function subr-native-lambda-list" error on lots of ext= ernal
> packages when I try to load my init file. I tried both -O3 and -O2 wit= h
> same (un)success.
>
> My eln-cache is since 18. and 21. august, do I need to delete old eln<= br> > files manually? Or do I need to add some extra path to my init file? >
> Used to work without problems in earlier builds :-). Thankfull for the=
> help.
>
> best regards
> /a
>
>
>
> In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.= 23, cairo version 1.17.3)
>  of 2020-09-07 built on pascal
> Repository revision: eb8742598874d9bd4c84ff54730527c52d29d7ff
> Repository branch: feature/native-comp
> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.1200= 9000
> System Description: Arch Linux
>
> Configured features:
> XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY<= br> > INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB
> TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD JSON<= br> > PDUMPER LCMS2

Hi Arthur,

is it possible that the Emacs you are using is not compiled activating
the native compiler (--with-nativecomp)?  We should see NATIVE_COMP within the "Configured features:" above.

OTOH this is telling that compiling the native-comp branch without
activating the native compiler has a problem there.  I'll fix it.

Thanks

  Andrea
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Mon, 7 Sep 2020 14:28:13 +0000 X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <87blihpsoz.fsf@live.com> X-TMN: [FrJJOJ62UmQu6oD16R4UGvyJfWR8TlaP] X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 47 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: f18175d0-3db0-4adb-e758-08d8533a40d9 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: VI1EUR05HT139: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: wXwzVmXBdr3c+VVLqZwC3S8tZVxmunEieWWg13BI/XskHYNcRtoyMqOZBgqRO6h/B+EgJK83AyHOFvLThkugHUq+B0EYqGqP1tG3usc2A4NLevquwPbS3I+bs2+nPxWdHNEUYD3v5mzs1ggjbTGwrRdeyuJ2bY8KUhDH3cfVHC9HYwmvxP2YjJbn5Z0lNQtF+t5NV6Ol7zgoZw1d9Bl0Pw== X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: ArOgfye7AKksVGikB7D+Jh2/LYqSEByGuw3ZrxNUXRLR+d+pLb5IO2lpNqnsStECVLfK8xW7cGBVdtcemfyyk+omPIxO/jIyayKRNvrTjgoOAc/UF7mNtnjR8t3Kc7fGdNlc7F6J0NPGliNnQxFA7w== X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f18175d0-3db0-4adb-e758-08d8533a40d9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2020 14:28:13.8223 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: VI1EUR05FT011.eop-eur05.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1EUR05HT139 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Andrea Corallo writes: > arthur.miller@live.com writes: > >> After I updated source from git and rebuild emacs, I am getting >> "void-function subr-native-lambda-list" error on lots of external >> packages when I try to load my init file. I tried both -O3 and -O2 with >> same (un)success. >> >> My eln-cache is since 18. and 21. august, do I need to delete old eln >> files manually? Or do I need to add some extra path to my init file? >> >> Used to work without problems in earlier builds :-). Thankfull for the >> help. >> >> best regards >> /a >> >> >> >> In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, cairo version 1.17.3) >> of 2020-09-07 built on pascal >> Repository revision: eb8742598874d9bd4c84ff54730527c52d29d7ff >> Repository branch: feature/native-comp >> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12009000 >> System Description: Arch Linux >> >> Configured features: >> XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY >> INOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB >> TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD JSON >> PDUMPER LCMS2 > > Hi Arthur, > > is it possible that the Emacs you are using is not compiled activating > the native compiler (--with-nativecomp)? We should see NATIVE_COMP > within the "Configured features:" above. > > OTOH this is telling that compiling the native-comp branch without > activating the native compiler has a problem there. I'll fix it. > > Thanks > > Andrea I am sorry, it was a false alarm. The problem was libgccjit. I have rebuild it now, and native Emacs afterwards, and everything works great. sorry and thanks /a From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 12:34:19 2020 Received: (at 43255-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 16:34:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFK5y-00038c-Sr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:34:19 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:49390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFK5w-00038T-0i for 43255-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:34:18 -0400 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 087GYEXZ009773; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 16:34:14 GMT From: Andrea Corallo To: Arthur Miller Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:34:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:28:12 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255-done Cc: 43255-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Arthur Miller writes: > I am sorry, it was a false alarm. Well actually you highlighted a real issue :) d344e79be9 * src/data.c (subr-native-lambda-list): Defined it unconditionally (bug#43255) address that so I'm closing. I'm wondering if we should put the information that the running Emacs is native compiler based in the splash screen too (via the `emacs-verion' function). Other important feature are already listed there. Ccing Eli to get his opinion on this. Thanks Andrea From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 12:55:06 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 16:55:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50646 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFKQ6-0005rs-0o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:55:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFKQ5-0005rJ-A5 for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:55:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFKPz-0001lE-F7; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:54:59 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1450 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFKPy-00054j-TP; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:54:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:54:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrea Corallo In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:34:14 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo > Cc: 43255-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:34:14 +0000 > > I'm wondering if we should put the information that the running Emacs is > native compiler based in the splash screen too (via the `emacs-verion' > function). Other important feature are already listed there. > > Ccing Eli to get his opinion on this. Yes, I think it should be in system-configuration-features. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 13:19:25 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 17:19:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50697 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFKnT-0000Di-Ry for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:19:25 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:62339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFKnR-0000DX-Lk for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:19:14 -0400 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 087HJCdk016277; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 17:19:12 GMT From: Andrea Corallo To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 17:19:12 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:54:56 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo >> Cc: 43255-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii >> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 16:34:14 +0000 >> >> I'm wondering if we should put the information that the running Emacs is >> native compiler based in the splash screen too (via the `emacs-verion' >> function). Other important feature are already listed there. >> >> Ccing Eli to get his opinion on this. > > Yes, I think it should be in system-configuration-features. We already add the information there. I was wondering if is also worth having the information rendered by `about-emacs'. Otherwise (as in this case) may not be very evident to the user what is going on underneath. On my system I already have informations about GTK and cairo there, these should be coming from `emacs-version' the function. Thanks Andrea From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 15:11:59 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 19:11:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFMYZ-0005Dd-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:11:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41456) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFMYY-0005DN-51 for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:11:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFMYR-00020q-Oz; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1864 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFMYR-0006DO-7e; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:11:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:11:49 +0300 Message-Id: <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrea Corallo In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Mon, 07 Sep 2020 17:19:12 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo > Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, 43255@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 17:19:12 +0000 > > > Yes, I think it should be in system-configuration-features. > > We already add the information there. I was wondering if is also worth > having the information rendered by `about-emacs'. Otherwise (as in this > case) may not be very evident to the user what is going on underneath. > > On my system I already have informations about GTK and cairo there, > these should be coming from `emacs-version' the function. That's different. GTK and Cairo have profound effects on how Emacs presents itself to the UI. I don't think native compilation is similar, or maybe I'm missing something. What exactly did you think will not be evident to the user, and why should it be evident? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 15:24:24 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2020 19:24:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50902 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFMkZ-0005WH-Or for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:24:24 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:63494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFMkU-0005W5-G4 for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:24:23 -0400 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 087JOH0S008424; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:24:17 GMT From: Andrea Corallo To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:11:49 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > That's different. GTK and Cairo have profound effects on how Emacs > presents itself to the UI. I don't think native compilation is > similar, or maybe I'm missing something. What exactly did you think > will not be evident to the user, and why should it be evident? No you are correct, it is essentially transparent to the user. And this is why is not the first time that a user miss the fact that Emacs was compiled with the native compiler or vice versa. Therefore I thought was maybe useful to give some visual feedback in the "*About GNU Emacs*" buffer. If that string is dedicated to feature with UI effect then the native compiler does not qualify tho. Thanks Andrea From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 07 22:25:27 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 02:25:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTK3-0001EY-Ca for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:25:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTK1-0001EK-Qi for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:25:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58941) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTJu-0001TK-Qs; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:25:18 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4408 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTJp-0004vv-4R; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:25:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 05:25:12 +0300 Message-Id: <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrea Corallo In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo > Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, 43255@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > That's different. GTK and Cairo have profound effects on how Emacs > > presents itself to the UI. I don't think native compilation is > > similar, or maybe I'm missing something. What exactly did you think > > will not be evident to the user, and why should it be evident? > > No you are correct, it is essentially transparent to the user. > > And this is why is not the first time that a user miss the fact that > Emacs was compiled with the native compiler or vice versa. Therefore I > thought was maybe useful to give some visual feedback in the "*About GNU > Emacs*" buffer. Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? E.g., how is it different from the C compiler switches used to build Emacs? 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Tue, 8 Sep 2020 04:26:13 +0000 X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <87d02wsxln.fsf@live.com> X-TMN: [Itl1rsybBRzd1WeMlLlP3TAO7GBjUvnz] X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 47 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 9d8d4d41-6005-4737-4d27-08d853af5209 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: DB8EUR06HT052: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: SJ3riEA3PRO31WbUHgTm0TQ61jwD1Mx7BSC4BGPKkvG45E5/eBal27roR+W74CZasJLDJy//9nZtS8cqQ6uhDHbgWs4hcBsawGj+uaWNz9PA/AVhgvt8oBwiPufUCvjAOeHZbt+fm0pmkDKpudDV5lsmDlKuHyJyOYPh97dpOfRqzvWBkJJ0Y5Y2K+8qguBVwzt6ObplJWgP53PYrp8fbQ== X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: a1HXnYb7ONscQcs1aSqgYGvOFN1jtSMFpug7gQGfa3eF0RNoT1eqHm6yneiUcFliIBm85zW+FAz6BSzlDxrVJmBfMT+WISzM1SWsbYxyLZYVRD58u9wGA/TN6UWmra3HGARDaSO+KpzE+PtcrAJDbw== X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9d8d4d41-6005-4737-4d27-08d853af5209 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2020 04:26:13.8266 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DB8EUR06FT009.eop-eur06.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB8EUR06HT052 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo >> Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, 43255@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > That's different. GTK and Cairo have profound effects on how Emacs >> > presents itself to the UI. I don't think native compilation is >> > similar, or maybe I'm missing something. What exactly did you think >> > will not be evident to the user, and why should it be evident? >> >> No you are correct, it is essentially transparent to the user. >> >> And this is why is not the first time that a user miss the fact that >> Emacs was compiled with the native compiler or vice versa. Therefore I >> thought was maybe useful to give some visual feedback in the "*About GNU >> Emacs*" buffer. > > Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? > E.g., how is it different from the C compiler switches used to build > Emacs? Just as important as x86_64 or linux-gnu :-). Currently when I press C-h C-a, I get this info (amongst other): GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, cairo version 1.17.3) of 2020-09-07 I think it would be handy if there was a bit more info on that page. I would prefer x64-native GNU/Linux. Why is it less important to know about non-gui features? For me who has turned off most of gui stuff, GTK and Cairo versions are not really what I care about. I have them just to get better font rendering, but now I can maybe compile without at least Gtk? I mean I don't need to know that it is compiled for GNU/Linux; I know I am running on a GNU/Linux OS, or that it is a 64-bit OS, yet info is there. In my case I would have seen that I didn't compile with native compiler support even though I intended (since the configure script failed wihout me noticing). I also wouldn't mind more info about compiler switches used to build the version as well as features/packages built-in. I don't know what is essential more and I don't have any philosophical argument, more than it is sometimes useful. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 01:04:18 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 05:04:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51560 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnl-0005Iw-M8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnk-0005Ie-59 for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:32952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnd-0004A7-QL; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:09 -0400 Received: from [2001:4df7:0:25eb::1] (port=55798) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFVnc-0006jE-7A; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 01:04:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 08:04:03 +0300 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list To: Arthur Miller From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On September 8, 2020 7:26:12 AM GMT+03:00, Arthur Miller wrote: >Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Andrea Corallo >>> Cc: arthur=2Emiller@live=2Ecom, 43255@debbugs=2Egnu=2Eorg >>> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 >>>=20 >>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>=20 >> Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? >> E=2Eg=2E, how is it different from the C compiler switches used to buil= d >> Emacs? >Just as important as x86_64 or linux-gnu :-)=2E > >Currently when I press C-h C-a, I get this info (amongst other): > >GNU Emacs 28=2E0=2E50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3=2E24= =2E23, >cairo version 1=2E17=2E3) > of 2020-09-07 > >I think it would be handy if there was a bit more info on that page=2E >I would prefer x64-native GNU/Linux=2E Why is it less important to know >about non-gui features? For me who has turned off most of gui stuff, >GTK >and Cairo versions are not really what I care about=2E I have them just >to >get better font rendering, but now I can maybe compile without at least >Gtk? I mean I don't need to know that it is compiled for GNU/Linux; I >know I am running on a GNU/Linux OS, or that it is a 64-bit OS, yet >info >is there=2E > >In my case I would have seen that I didn't compile with native compiler >support even though I intended (since the configure script failed >wihout >me noticing)=2E > >I also wouldn't mind more info about compiler switches used to build >the >version as well as features/packages built-in=2E I don't know what is >essential more and I don't have any philosophical argument, more than >it >is sometimes useful=2E That's a different issue=2E The original question was about the splash sc= reen and specifically about emacs-version=2E I see no reason whatsoever to= show information about the native compilation there, as it's a minor featu= re that moreover has no effect at all until some Lisp files are compiled wi= th it=2E Besides, the splash screen is already too crowded=2E If you are saying that the "About Emacs" display should be redesigned (to = make it look differently from the splash screen), I might agree, but then (= a) please show a more detailed proposal, and (b) such a display doesn't nee= d the change to be in emacs-version, it can use the other variables which d= ivulge the details of the build and its configuration=2E Btw, in line with the recent "let's be like other apps" trend, I suggest t= o look at what other apps do in their "About" display: I have the impressio= n that this fashion is on its way out=2E Bottom line: you've effectively changed the subject, so I suggest to do th= at explicitly, and start a new thread/issue=2E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 03:47:12 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 07:47:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFYLQ-0003G0-Dm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:47:12 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f53.google.com ([209.85.218.53]:45197) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFYLO-0003Fm-NH for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 03:47:11 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f53.google.com with SMTP id i26so21083709ejb.12 for <43255@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 00:47:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tX8S42gSfrUl2oaEDwnPTCzd4adVGUv0nkrq+ejfjCw=; b=pJ86PpYi99a1WvdQrvzqXL2XwO4X93t954IDgSLXn6L6D245vmyXn50bMxtim58D5P nLf9cJvcrb62hI8oVOwoiD2lZJ9Mi2vNui/7dj9pfWR7hXxjbBq8HPJDWvu1KA0Lq/Uw WTuF70N9O+NknJMpxgttnKtoJOFVaPIh5gSPrPuDKUIRgP9/BpxIpvotuHfrOAbvSvUy H/Y4bpXcHCOrsu8FUJxYaa85gFiPBFK8WoG/7wf+bkEkWSHFtlLpHk2NygvxVB7JBKuR NOpmn/izyvs9UguQUF/dmGioP/UILXYLKCD42AC6HFhjhCTuuCIyOO9PHJFG2R+Ta06p qghA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tX8S42gSfrUl2oaEDwnPTCzd4adVGUv0nkrq+ejfjCw=; b=SNvlpvwAqzFOtPByMCXtG1Gx+xDFxqFS8kBJR4oosjjULP8wTN8u8Jhjnoipa1QoF7 2AvmoJDw2RJdfMrb4CNmjE20TcPGD9lMDeDfdqIQykkWWfCv8mKpHUYblMa4LDqHHYIy k70Aij12yM/4X4An5YTdJ84Uw8qkOO1tks/ZyvmGHqgeb0mkpW+XB/boU9U1tF3bDW+c fQzY+aJTjWIWS52ql0YjZhtFJ9eHN2EyqCWkpRfHnSyLaR+hRk/yi0w5jNp74at/+UrL CdGPerF9tZl0a7PuteYEWW2+Z+sRk2oNQOtWV1GCKFzUtqqMjyaIW1iYqd72N9HhLVXM Freg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533K/5xHmYkqa9YX9PxuTtGHDHG6KuarbQPMokvlSsYTA3NSxrxZ O0SKSZmfB0YVo3O7ZltJSR4a5dK4ffqS54zixgQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwBw90e0RXE9ulyW48/BY3/ivMngWQWcoGkDeJne6AHzBKnnSJ+YKEjGATvEzrah5SH+lUOnGbVWxGlzfBAt/M= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:7248:: with SMTP id n8mr13491233ejk.160.1599551224786; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 00:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:47:04 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list To: Eli Zaretskii , Arthur Miller Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I see no reason whatsoever to show information about the native > compilation there, Agreed. > as it's a minor feature that moreover has no effect at all until some > Lisp files are compiled with it. AFAICT, when using the native-comp branch, Lisp files are automatically compiled without me having to do anything. 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Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:38:14 +0000 X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <87v9goblka.fsf@live.com> X-TMN: [U4e6DcSKsCvWLnDLRQch36ucV/EtWo6r] X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 47 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 23e56b45-6347-4f0e-c3f0-08d853e34a74 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: VE1EUR03HT089: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: GYGxBGkLQKHRQVTqk1e7xDeY/42LFIeBqTljI49hhK76XojD3cHI9mOzje/3OJYEbShrdtDarUCDmbGzlieaPs+7TXVDSJ+6yIh607qIJKPURwnrbkJ3YVMTsS8VwFa8AYb3MAW+htZOA86SQNGxNJALhSkUi3aL6qunU/LftY7dsRVoJhhpH7DFDFPL54hRZWNjDbXajllFSWyQHIdtlQ== X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: WiX2uzzRy7qbgNKl3jZWmKZxNf5Fwjdl1gFJKVDRH6Q5YbIwQ/c1SZYH/SjDOBGMZBCpWRqb2/ZfuN9Fwxvkj6kJHBBhofsECo0rmwY5/MqmSusJYAQGfQ8gm/etCTT8u7s+o0ONfH7i3QO9Z/uKDw== X-OriginatorOrg: live.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 23e56b45-6347-4f0e-c3f0-08d853e34a74 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2020 10:38:15.0080 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: VE1EUR03FT053.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VE1EUR03HT089 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > On September 8, 2020 7:26:12 AM GMT+03:00, Arthur Miller wrote: >>Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>>> From: Andrea Corallo >>>> Cc: arthur.miller@live.com, 43255@debbugs.gnu.org >>>> Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 19:24:17 +0000 >>>> >>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>> >>> Why is it important for the user to know about the native compiler? >>> E.g., how is it different from the C compiler switches used to build >>> Emacs? >>Just as important as x86_64 or linux-gnu :-). >> >>Currently when I press C-h C-a, I get this info (amongst other): >> >>GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, >>cairo version 1.17.3) >> of 2020-09-07 >> >>I think it would be handy if there was a bit more info on that page. >>I would prefer x64-native GNU/Linux. Why is it less important to know >>about non-gui features? For me who has turned off most of gui stuff, >>GTK >>and Cairo versions are not really what I care about. I have them just >>to >>get better font rendering, but now I can maybe compile without at least >>Gtk? I mean I don't need to know that it is compiled for GNU/Linux; I >>know I am running on a GNU/Linux OS, or that it is a 64-bit OS, yet >>info >>is there. >> >>In my case I would have seen that I didn't compile with native compiler >>support even though I intended (since the configure script failed >>wihout >>me noticing). >> >>I also wouldn't mind more info about compiler switches used to build >>the >>version as well as features/packages built-in. I don't know what is >>essential more and I don't have any philosophical argument, more than >>it >>is sometimes useful. > > That's a different issue. The original question was about the splash screen and > specifically about emacs-version. Sorry; wasn't careful. Personally I don't care much about at all for splash-screen, I don't even see it. I do use "about emacs-version". Since I run Emacs directly from it's source folder, I usually do C-h C-a to confirm it compiled > I see no reason whatsoever to show information > about the native compilation there, as it's a minor feature that moreover has no > effect at all until some Lisp files are compiled with it. Besides, the splash > screen is already too crowded. I have no opinion for splash-screen whatsoever; mine is disabled anyway :-). > If you are saying that the "About Emacs" display should be redesigned (to make > it look differently from the splash screen), I might agree, but then (a) please > show a more detailed proposal, and (b) such a display doesn't need the change to > be in emacs-version, it can use the other variables which divulge the details of > the build and its configuration. Ok. I'll think about, but I don't promise. > Btw, in line with the recent "let's be like other apps" trend, I suggest to look > at what other apps do in their "About" display: I have the impression that this > fashion is on its way out. I agree; I never look at those screens myself; so it is not so much about "being like other apps". To me it is usefull to quickly see compilation date of Emacs after the compile. I don't longer install Emacs in system dir (no make install); I configured my system to run Emacs directly from the "src" folder, so for me it is informational to see I have restarted newly compiled version. > Bottom line: you've effectively changed the subject, so I suggest to > do that explicitly, and start a new thread/issue. Yes sorry about that. If I get to make a proposal for new looks; I will make a suggestion thread. For the now, you can let it die :). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 10:27:35 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 14:27:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55764 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeat-0001ww-2K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:27:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56668) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFear-0001wj-Mv for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:27:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40646) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeak-0007DR-P2; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:27:26 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4740 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFeae-0002bY-87; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:27:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:27:20 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7s8mjhz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:47:04 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, akrl@sdf.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:47:04 -0700 > Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo > > > as it's a minor feature that moreover has no effect at all until some > > Lisp files are compiled with it. > > AFAICT, when using the native-comp branch, Lisp files are automatically > compiled without me having to do anything. That'd be a misfeature, I think: it means that users who build their own Emacs will have their build take hours. I'd prefer to have an option to delay native compilation to some later time, ideally have it JIT-compiled, like Guile does. Is this possible? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 10:54:36 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 14:54:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55902 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFf12-0002gl-Dd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:54:36 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:63910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFf10-0002gb-BT for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:54:34 -0400 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 088EsVu8002161; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:54:32 GMT From: Andrea Corallo To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> <83h7s8mjhz.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:54:31 +0000 In-Reply-To: <83h7s8mjhz.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 08 Sep 2020 17:27:20 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:47:04 -0700 >> Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrea Corallo >> >> > as it's a minor feature that moreover has no effect at all until some >> > Lisp files are compiled with it. >> >> AFAICT, when using the native-comp branch, Lisp files are automatically >> compiled without me having to do anything. > > That'd be a misfeature, I think: it means that users who build their > own Emacs will have their build take hours. I'd prefer to have an > option to delay native compilation to some later time, ideally have it > JIT-compiled, like Guile does. > > Is this possible? The only files that is mandatory to have compiled Ahead of Time are the one dumped, the rest of emacs is up to the user to do them Aot or not. Right I'm gonna set the default so that the bare minimum is compiled AoT. That said I think what Stefan meant is precisely that compilation is happening automatically Jit like with no user intervention. Andrea From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 11:25:45 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 15:25:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56026 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfVA-0003Vn-TM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:25:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45644) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfV8-0003Va-QR for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:25:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfV2-0007r5-LT; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:25:36 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4331 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFfUm-0005QA-Iw; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 11:25:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 18:25:21 +0300 Message-Id: <834ko8mgta.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrea Corallo In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:54:31 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> <83h7s8mjhz.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo > Cc: Stefan Kangas , arthur.miller@live.com, > 43255@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:54:31 +0000 > > >> AFAICT, when using the native-comp branch, Lisp files are automatically > >> compiled without me having to do anything. > > > > That'd be a misfeature, I think: it means that users who build their > > own Emacs will have their build take hours. I'd prefer to have an > > option to delay native compilation to some later time, ideally have it > > JIT-compiled, like Guile does. > > > > Is this possible? > > The only files that is mandatory to have compiled Ahead of Time are the > one dumped Why do these have to be compiled ahead of time? > That said I think what Stefan meant is precisely that compilation is > happening automatically Jit like with no user intervention. And that can be turned on and off as the user sees fit? If so, that's why I said that the native-compilation part is not important to have in the version description, only in the set of supported features. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 12:02:08 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 16:02:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFg4N-0006MV-PR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:02:08 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:55584) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFg4J-0006IJ-6f for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:02:05 -0400 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 088G21Qx004429; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:02:02 GMT From: Andrea Corallo To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> <83h7s8mjhz.fsf@gnu.org> <834ko8mgta.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:02:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: <834ko8mgta.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 08 Sep 2020 18:25:21 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andrea Corallo >> Cc: Stefan Kangas , arthur.miller@live.com, >> 43255@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 14:54:31 +0000 >> >> >> AFAICT, when using the native-comp branch, Lisp files are automatically >> >> compiled without me having to do anything. >> > >> > That'd be a misfeature, I think: it means that users who build their >> > own Emacs will have their build take hours. I'd prefer to have an >> > option to delay native compilation to some later time, ideally have it >> > JIT-compiled, like Guile does. >> > >> > Is this possible? >> >> The only files that is mandatory to have compiled Ahead of Time are the >> one dumped > > Why do these have to be compiled ahead of time? Nothing technically prevents to have the native compiler at disposal on a system that is entirely and exclusively byte compiled, is just a configuration that ATM we do not expose (I think we'll do it). It can be useful (actually *it is* every time the native compiler fails to boo-strap) but is not something an average user would want to use. >> That said I think what Stefan meant is precisely that compilation is >> happening automatically Jit like with no user intervention. > > And that can be turned on and off as the user sees fit? If so, that's > why I said that the native-compilation part is not important to have > in the version description, only in the set of supported features. The user can turn deferred compilation off (by default is on). According to this metric any feature that can be partially or completely disabled is not worth to be mentioned there, even if is a rework of the execution engine. That's maybe correct, if you like to suggest a more appropriate place to put this information that is evident to the user I would be appreciated that. I've opened #43269 to discuss this. Thanks! Andrea From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 08 12:21:34 2020 Received: (at 43255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2020 16:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56199 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFgNC-0007BZ-GD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:21:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kFgN8-0007BC-OP for 43255@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:21:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43617) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFgN2-0007nX-0n; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:21:24 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4238 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFgN1-0000Sl-I1; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 12:21:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 19:21:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83v9gokzng.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrea Corallo In-Reply-To: (message from Andrea Corallo on Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:02:01 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#43255: 28.0.50; feature/native-comp void-function subr-native-lambda-list References: <83wo15msrj.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuw9mmfe.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgbtm2d3.fsf@gnu.org> <062E9DA2-B039-4AAD-802B-7333971F5B73@gnu.org> <83h7s8mjhz.fsf@gnu.org> <834ko8mgta.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43255 Cc: 43255@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, arthur.miller@live.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Andrea Corallo > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, arthur.miller@live.com, 43255@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:02:01 +0000 > > The user can turn deferred compilation off (by default is on). > According to this metric any feature that can be partially or completely > disabled is not worth to be mentioned there, even if is a rework of the > execution engine. That's maybe correct, if you like to suggest a more > appropriate place to put this information that is evident to the user I > would be appreciated that. I've opened #43269 to discuss this. I think we already have a suggestion: to redesign the "About Emacs" screen, so that instead of showing the splash screen again, it could say something more detailed about the build and the features that this build supports. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:36:05 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator