From unknown Mon Aug 18 00:06:13 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#43238 <43238@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#43238 <43238@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: `guix system build -n` to be more informative (builds/substitutes) Reply-To: bug#43238 <43238@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 07:06:13 +0000 retitle 43238 `guix system build -n` to be more informative (builds/substit= utes) reassign 43238 guix submitter 43238 Vitaliy Shatrov severity 43238 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 06 06:29:47 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2020 10:29:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44882 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kErvf-0005ND-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 06:29:47 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kErvc-0005N4-Sg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 06:29:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kErvc-0004IT-MI for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 06:29:44 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:56724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kErva-0002BL-Ba for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 06:29:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A54E529E4 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 12:29:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VSDQkcEfSq42 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 12:29:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Vitaliy Shatrov DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1599388177; bh=g7rhL/08k19dSWqps1L7cBofMUiMCJAN2hQT0gGB4ew=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=DIAbKSg2853An/W1mOJ651eL4YBlohmA239VyIVOxDa8t6S74dgnnMRw4Pzo4DzpP CdZs44c+v+wCvuJmE7rg6YzFFK/I8isbBgTskjFE/UOhmH2DNYO4ivWNClu7A2ysqi doiPhNOXL2DptTJdpUp7Z1WUfihN/hAUhBY/VPOMpm8UnoodV98f0Y5r1g3+AhemnS eQhLJTF6JgpN2q3stkbUOZHyfVnUlsSne73xHOytAN09XNOd0A+K8BArWmX8SOYc7R A2Smo3AKJHsH1N26B6mv9yDamI6PmaUjjFpgaJ2BhVGT6XjSzsEWlQRkNb4O6stTpj fBBpZJDD4jMfg== To: "Magst Tom tomaten\?" Subject: `guix system build -n` to be more informative (builds/substitutes) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0700 Message-ID: <87sgbv5ha8.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=guix.vits@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/06 06:29:39 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Hello Guix. I did: `guix system build -n config.scm` I get a message, something like: "3 packages (guix, modules, and ?) would be downloaded." I ran `sudo guix system build config.scm`. Guix told me it will build the linux kernel. It was unexpected. The `guix system build/reconfigure` upgrades the daemon first. Right? So, if `guix` cannot know beforehand will the User get any substitutes.. Maybe: * `guix` should stop and ask in case there is a build ahead? * add a separate 'update-daemon-only' command (or flag) to `system`? Background: With `update-daemon-only`, one can just walk away. Then look-up, if any builds are ahead. Of course i understood that the system-wide config should be keept minimal. So not that big trouble: just i had an substitute offered to me (for kernel), but (as `system build -n` didn't warned me) decided to not use it (as i thought the kernel will not be updated). When i found out that kernel actually going to be build, i canceled it. Then switched to kernel that has substitute (same config, different hash). --- Thank You for the attention, Vitaliy. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 06 06:42:20 2020 Received: (at 43238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2020 10:42:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kEs7o-0005hf-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 06:42:20 -0400 Received: from sender4-of-o51.zoho.com ([136.143.188.51]:21121) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kEs7l-0005hW-My for 43238@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 06:42:18 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1599388935; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=hhRChr3m+w3L3w4egBAKIaAfEOTkQVWuwoKmTXXLDBsmpUJpK1Nr4XJg9CrKuXzoBQtKWryr/U3G7ZhJ7jzarnLeOWLTvQaqI2wEbyjZXgOagTqumKamDAQiaMmbIZBDAuZYA3X0FcyTNW3EniqNkXe2Qgrxa/K/+uzY+uNc9fg= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1599388935; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=B0ck2Qm2ptvL5kgGX0BC8uFVxsYfvsoYNtLDBLf0xuc=; b=LYwCzgzvRU3gyupslsDdOP0PTLs7vpou2ginz3opMUtYwUH0zXEOTygblFsjlNst5R9qrDUKISYflRnqhW9B9fXo9s+gYzI5O6Jv8KpsyTd0ESt/Hwewfxyzx2K2pBPYCAtILw4LngUW+shou7ytmKXRizEvds11tTw6gT2Faec= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=elephly.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=rekado@elephly.net; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1599388935; s=zoho; d=elephly.net; i=rekado@elephly.net; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=B0ck2Qm2ptvL5kgGX0BC8uFVxsYfvsoYNtLDBLf0xuc=; b=VkfdHePnz6HPeooo98I2jB0MA6ohunTNKFBJx7xmuZfIpx6QnvLaNoqkORGFaj1X IqKLNYEaGb6L05CTCrsnW414HnduN9coHxoU14x2epHaNHLwctP2RG6fcR8yRvyH3/1 rQbfT2HbADgRVz+T9R3zZIz6DtuabWN76Bs13q5o= Received: from localhost (p4fd5a58f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.213.165.143]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1599388933179537.951270411524; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 03:42:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <87sgbv5ha8.fsf@disroot.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: Ricardo Wurmus To: Vitaliy Shatrov Subject: Re: bug#43238: `guix system build -n` to be more informative (builds/substitutes) In-reply-to: <87sgbv5ha8.fsf@disroot.org> X-URL: https://elephly.net X-PGP-Key: https://elephly.net/rekado.pubkey X-PGP-Fingerprint: BCA6 89B6 3655 3801 C3C6 2150 197A 5888 235F ACAC Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 12:43:25 +0200 Message-ID: <875z8rdw36.fsf@elephly.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43238 Cc: 43238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Vitaliy Shatrov writes: > Hello Guix. > > I did: > `guix system build -n config.scm` > > I get a message, something like: > "3 packages (guix, modules, and ?) would be downloaded." > > I ran `sudo guix system build config.scm`. Guix told me it will build > the linux kernel. It was unexpected. Are these the same =E2=80=9Cguix=E2=80=9D programs? =E2=80=9Csudo guix=E2= =80=9D probably gives you the root user=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cguix=E2=80=9D, whereas just =E2=80=9Cguix=E2= =80=9D will give you the current user=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cguix=E2=80=9D. That=E2=80=99s why we recommend =E2=80=9Csudo -E guix=E2=80=9D or similar. --=20 Ricardo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 06 09:38:00 2020 Received: (at 43238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2020 13:38:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kEuro-0005o8-2C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 09:38:00 -0400 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:42150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kEurm-0005ny-9W for 43238@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 09:37:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30196529E4; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:37:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjMCp5SpUFeL; Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:37:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Vitaliy Shatrov DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1599399475; bh=VTALzG4HoZDxUIgsNgQqwlH4pYOTpmoC/PiN/GuPl48=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=WXDFZc+ev9I9f88+R0eLXJrUzMseu0LEQaDa/UEpuMUDs1uEkjSuTFJdg4eCBI2sq xHubV1ZT91LnUEfXeXtGpZ50n+XbTs3noxp5xEmii7e4tILq0gLiL+HyqV5tUGm+Bt A6OrQiAE9TMAbmtm9F2I9RyaZhYekBfR8OAmO+sx82P3Pq01xo+O/Mlz1gk+1XFDNA 0IVe4pnyEgGQ/NgRVPIwFFle/mMY3g/2Sq+dKkRCd8v2wzYRFxlGLltzKm5vyi9oO5 4IgWymoATNekRNTY9HU07pbBrGf+MkORoF7L6lr1UOiMf3HF7lIcIrvT7EJU/ei50n 5UEZhB3H/Q/bw== To: Ricardo Wurmus Subject: Re: bug#43238: `guix system build -n` to be more informative (builds/substitutes) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 20:38:40 +0700 In-Reply-To: Ricardo Wurmus's message of "Sun\, 06 Sep 2020 12\:43\:25 +0200 \(2 hours\, 38 minutes\, 57 seconds ago\)" Message-ID: <87o8mj58kf.fsf@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43238 Cc: 43238@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello Ricardo. I made a typo: I do not need a root for `build`. How it really was: `guix system build -n config.scm` ---> 3 packages download sudo guix system _RECONFIGURE_ config.scm ---> Hey-ho: building Linux! C-c edit config.scm, use kernel that has substitute. guix build -n config.scm --substitute-url=URL ---> Will download Linux. sudo guix sytem reconfugure config.scm ---> download, apply. ahm cool. --- Am sorry, Vitaliy. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 06 15:59:46 2020 Received: (at 43238) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2020 19:59:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47203 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kF0pG-0007PA-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 15:59:46 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:35712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kF0pD-0007Ow-VI for 43238@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 15:59:44 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kF0p7-0003Gh-Oa; Sun, 06 Sep 2020 15:59:37 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Vitaliy Shatrov , 43238@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#43238: `guix system build -n` to be more informative (builds/substitutes) In-Reply-To: <87sgbv5ha8.fsf@disroot.org> References: <87sgbv5ha8.fsf@disroot.org> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 15:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <875z8qr81z.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43238 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Vitaliy, I reported this issue in April as bug #40612, so this is a duplicate. https://bugs.gnu.org/40612 That bug is still open, but it seems blocked on differences of opinion. Mark