From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#42982: Emacs manual suggestion Resent-From: Alexander Summers Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 42982 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 42982@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.159808715428263 (code B ref -1); Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:06:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2020 09:05:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9PTF-0007Lk-2Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:05:54 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42228) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9O7H-0005Gn-5w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:39:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9O7G-00062a-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:39:06 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-x429.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::429]:33027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9O7F-00046W-46 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:39:06 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-x429.google.com with SMTP id u20so2207248pfn.0 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 00:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JpLculPLdGGJIug9HVLWWWcZHGP7FI1VpwFGVqqTL4U=; b=N5HC7JlhWD0rXpLuUaZOKasqFY89sMfHYCkl2xzRFJdS6j2ypV8t6DZijyI3hTasUm 4PqWGe0unJGxe9GKGXWkjRIIIY+72XLi4QrxS7tJTXEKB/wQQRYCqK9N8x9P4RRZoTHA vpymhAuO4OX5odpiV5GvpaCnq5+7aNG+Q1z7YOVC54PtuFeeYL/lU1vnagFYsBloBuA2 tOy27rHQLQmAKasf2mr9jdwNDA11wDMpvrItdtP6JpiKspv9jMg0MvmsB4OXmBjgoZuo J0xqF2TSRfF1d4n+gJP1Hfj6RilumShenwMFJw/9eoJdhf6csAa9bX4sQc33hFUrA+r3 EIJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JpLculPLdGGJIug9HVLWWWcZHGP7FI1VpwFGVqqTL4U=; b=qtT7UIcfaty8xNBOdYoTDHy6+kFwhTxcfDxpzImE9XzuSgs7cMTmXUqOd+RlR1+q7R YWPXL4Di4lEmuN7jDaZgcjuBrwcuMbz4nOxlSwc43SDyNur5LFoUQPapQQkGb2SdJ5yp fbMkCnEeYK6LQJ64+NGc3tbg/p4zNArm+6GKt/hRWbB69X2+xICTMHNV9PKTbbSTDXuf GleKh+Je9MF9Br1DM+EtisWRUG/MZOby0omY+Vm2y2POUxJuNK0s6nto5jYYRnNHmxkP sEWmQ/Q0SRbnPlToUCKGprW6iX9xQNpOLtgoZ4KtAMav+ugjTwDlE16BY3ezZFN4A0nv ZP+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530epGrlwiBkG0qK+zsCF49vMw+Fbd8d1wSkoTV7AQ7gWAbruwp2 xbw1nWDMDcqLaDB/cCIQdcX4VL/1r91ENSNscUig/jqsvgo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyktGC8RSODGUMABHvL/YZ8Ft+hnaCRd7Q58toX89UOw/YIh64Cdj2IXHEsc1DnMQVZsQQ5oT3mExJB2lYSIM8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:2a2:: with SMTP id q2mr5196090pfs.306.1598081942286; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 00:39:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alexander Summers Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:38:51 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007df33d05ad727266" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::429; envelope-from=alexandermsummers@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x429.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:05:52 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --0000000000007df33d05ad727266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In the preface to the Emacs manual, it is recommended that the reader first access the tutorial with "C-h t". However, I'm not sure if the target audience for that particular paragraph will know what that means -- that is, to hold down Shift and h, release, and then type 't'. I am concerned this instruction might confuse them. Also, it seems the HTML version is missing this preface entirely. Why is that the case? Thanks, Alexander Summers --0000000000007df33d05ad727266 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the preface to the Emacs manual, it is recommended tha= t the reader first access the tutorial with "C-h t". However, I&#= 39;m not sure if the target audience for that particular paragraph will kno= w what that means -- that is, to hold down Shift and h, release, and then t= ype 't'. I am concerned this instruction might confuse them.

Also, it seems the HTML version is m= issing this preface entirely. Why is that the case?
=
Thanks,
Alexander Summer= s
--0000000000007df33d05ad727266-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#42982: Emacs manual suggestion Resent-From: Alexander Summers Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 42982 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 42982@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.159808728528506 (code B ref -1); Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:09:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2020 09:08:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9PVM-0007Ph-70 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:08:05 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9OBO-0005Mv-PU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:43:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9OBO-0006eQ-GX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:43:22 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-x102c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c]:40452) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9OBM-0004UX-V4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:43:22 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-x102c.google.com with SMTP id d4so1781076pjx.5 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 00:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oQP9o7+rSzT08hFo65ITZ2MjPPa9dLJ+6m6ELRmb+4g=; b=LN0FcqYIOP9lXW8jhbkOk94x/mHbooeQywwqZSWabScQOzAMj3xsQtfGxYHyOu/u+V GD2bDdcbd11KZQ+V+d2lIT+kK7jgchBkZQsh4DvJtFc49lV9B09z1SK2Wn7mv66xXGxP XBSu8Wv94hfb0Aqqa+EZBTGoOYYNhwZWsdJQ0I3P8OzNVkkFGadxp16uAPzI2mbVSY8j j5qvGAe86nsMeuocX8EfO4VUMd0etabBJqGZZDMaJ+ipBfIqJljvEjnTt/CeIB0o4Ybu ZNcznrma/avTFDmq2KfbKzlKog2I1sND77KHBiOchcy4pHAoW5zwpd2ufp7GGfxHE9vT Bkig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=oQP9o7+rSzT08hFo65ITZ2MjPPa9dLJ+6m6ELRmb+4g=; b=ERCC37wtXXZq79Cc6JOTRUOeD3UiNuZXaCjln0+taMH/1hblqXgbEr5BWwAcM5LL8S m0onks96vG1dOul0k6qVx8KTwnonJCADm1QEzfv8yzRSZFcUfTSYUw1OLOJCvEtRK1C7 97pg431yyCzEIE4AFtC7glDPh9K+t6qkY7UvRhwu56QOMXCEnXgH0AhzqO6Q61es+75Y Q0DI7nIhudKpLlN7yIE75qfZWhqTJvnzXyctNrymsCWIjmz8cqTfx4ZovuvNiQKjb4JM ng4Lmi/Uh9ui1YFIzvxlBj25Ac0+Oy3t+UUxwCqVReghssv1HUD1o/UeEONt03YU2JmY GM0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533V5fLUF0zGY+Tcy/tX4Zr+gfWwZApp9De2ya/NFsjLGfllSsFO bHOJXHgmdDDIKi3Y4hO7uLNfozyYn/0hCEA+pQKkb9+V5P4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyWe9MsAcugITgTVIu/a/dE95mbCPMq0isobqKTMqXqlOAFJ4D5bL5C9mruHW5YnkbxM2OFnAV42qeZo4NjBG4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4b89:: with SMTP id lr9mr5464192pjb.126.1598082199220; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 00:43:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Alexander Summers Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ce76d205ad728189" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c; envelope-from=alexandermsummers@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x102c.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:08:03 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --000000000000ce76d205ad728189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Apologies, after considering my previous email and confirming it with research, I learned that the 'c' abbreviation is for the "control" key, not shift. I am new to Emacs so I had a brief lapse of judgement. I suppose my last email was self-demonstrative ;) On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:38 AM Alexander Summers wrote: > In the preface to the Emacs manual, it is recommended that the reader > first access the tutorial with "C-h t". However, I'm not sure if the target > audience for that particular paragraph will know what that means -- that > is, to hold down Shift and h, release, and then type 't'. I am concerned > this instruction might confuse them. > > Also, it seems the HTML version is missing this preface entirely. Why is > that the case? > > Thanks, > Alexander Summers > --000000000000ce76d205ad728189 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apologies, after considering my previous email and confir= ming it with research, I learned that the 'c' abbreviation is for t= he "control" key, not shift. I am new to Emacs so I had a brief l= apse of judgement.

I suppose m= y last email was self-demonstrative ;)

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 3:38 AM A= lexander Summers <alexand= ermsummers@gmail.com> wrote:
In the preface to the Emacs manual, it is recommended th= at the reader first access the tutorial with "C-h t". However, I&= #39;m not sure if the target audience for that particular paragraph will kn= ow what that means -- that is, to hold down Shift and h, release, and then = type 't'. I am concerned this instruction might confuse them.

Also, it seems the HTML version is = missing this preface entirely. Why is that the case?

Thanks,
Alexander Summe= rs
--000000000000ce76d205ad728189-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#42982: Emacs manual suggestion Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 42982 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alexander Summers Cc: 42982@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 42982-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B42982.159808746128757 (code B ref 42982); Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 42982) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2020 09:11:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9PYD-0007Tl-F4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:11:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56582) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9PY9-0007TW-Nh for 42982@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:11:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9PY4-0004cB-GR; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:10:52 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4078 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k9PY3-0003GR-RH; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:10:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:10:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7sv9hbd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Alexander Summers on Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:38:51 -0400) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Alexander Summers > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:38:51 -0400 > > Also, it seems the HTML version is missing this preface entirely. Why is that the case? The Preface only appears in the printed version of the manual. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:30:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#42982: Emacs manual suggestion Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 42982 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alexander Summers Cc: 42982@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 42982-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B42982.159827460227145 (code B ref 42982); Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 42982) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2020 13:10:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56506 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kACEb-00073k-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:10:02 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56956) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kACEZ-000737-Nq for 42982@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:10:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Z9xnQyQeYDLxY+uIK99r03d1Hoh15eGyZ4UqI7ZJc+w=; b=sM2wgfIsYcEUJr9hAEK2l++Lk0 /JlFK/W3LNsMSxXyyFUc+xD1UkZ7OORZ20KxtOP7c2o92gOaT3GYAyVfYXIiHyjlAqP00iXLj1h/a GvgaCbos0ZCGu2Iip19A/7lYoT0u8uoQq+sxMOGM1lFtENi/XQDffXnxDMX3Uq9rJ/oc=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kACER-0006RK-16; Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:09:53 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Various's _Alefa Madagascar_: "Jean Kely et Basth - Andosy Mora" Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 15:09:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Alexander Summers's message of "Sat, 22 Aug 2020 03:38:51 -0400") Message-ID: <87o8n0chr6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Alexander Summers writes: > In the preface to the Emacs manual, it is recommended that the reader > first access the tutorial with "C-h t". However, I'm not sure if the > target audience for that particular paragraph will know [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Alexander Summers writes: > In the preface to the Emacs manual, it is recommended that the reader > first access the tutorial with "C-h t". However, I'm not sure if the > target audience for that particular paragraph will know what that > means -- that is, to hold down Shift and h, release, and then type > 't'. I am concerned this instruction might confuse them. Makes sense. 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[89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j4sm2760324ljc.116.2020.08.25.04.09.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Aug 2020 04:09:19 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: <87o8n0chr6.fsf@gnus.org> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: <15d3bee2-c22c-5a77-d700-04cfb0818728@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:09:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Perhaps copy-pasting explanation from SCREEN.TEXI would be a better solution, i.e. instead of (which is ``control h and then t'') something like this: (hold down @key{Control} and type @kbd{h}, then let go of @key{Control} and type @kbd{t}) ? If not, then at least @kbd should be used and Control should start with the capital letter C. S. U. BTW, this looks like part (point 5.) of https://debbugs.gnu.org/37327 bug report.