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[PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma

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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 15:51:52 -0700

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X-Debbugs-CC: rms <at> gnu.org

There is a comment in Emacs which describes Aung San Suu Kyi in a
positive light as compared to the "murderous generals" of the country.
This comment was added in 2008.

However, after the victory of her party in 2015, Aung San Suu Kyi, has
herself been implicated in murderous activities against and persecution
of the Rohingya Muslim minority.

In January this year, Myanmar was ordered to take "all measures within
its power" to prevent genocide of the Rohingya minority by the
International Court of Justice in Hauge.  The BBC reports:

    "This judgment has surely obliterated any remnants of Aung San Suu
    Kyi's international reputation.

    Remember, she didn't have to go to The Hague and become the
    embodiment of Myanmar's defence. She chose to argue, in person,
    there was no mass murder, rape or arson.

    Even her biggest critics used to acknowledge she doesn't control the
    still powerful Burmese army, but now she has destroyed the firewall
    between her and the generals by trying - and failing - to justify
    their actions.

    So far, Myanmar has played by the rules of the International Court
    of Justice. But will it abide by these emergency measures?

    Writing today in a British newspaper, Aung San Suu Kyi questioned
    whether the international justice system was capable of ignoring
    'unsubstantiated narratives' told by human rights groups and UN
    investigators against her country."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51221029

I propose to remove any references to this individual from Emacs.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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Message #8 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: soyeomul <at> doraji.xyz (황병희)
To: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 16:21:13 +0900

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> X-Debbugs-CC: rms <at> gnu.org
>
> There is a comment in Emacs which describes Aung San Suu Kyi in a
> positive light as compared to the "murderous generals" of the country.
> This comment was added in 2008.
>
> However, after the victory of her party in 2015, Aung San Suu Kyi, has
> herself been implicated in murderous activities against and persecution
> of the Rohingya Muslim minority.
>
> In January this year, Myanmar was ordered to take "all measures within
> its power" to prevent genocide of the Rohingya minority by the
> International Court of Justice in Hauge.  The BBC reports:
>
>     "This judgment has surely obliterated any remnants of Aung San Suu
>     Kyi's international reputation.
>
>     Remember, she didn't have to go to The Hague and become the
>     embodiment of Myanmar's defence. She chose to argue, in person,
>     there was no mass murder, rape or arson.
>
>     Even her biggest critics used to acknowledge she doesn't control the
>     still powerful Burmese army, but now she has destroyed the firewall
>     between her and the generals by trying - and failing - to justify
>     their actions.
>
>     So far, Myanmar has played by the rules of the International Court
>     of Justice. But will it abide by these emergency measures?
>
>     Writing today in a British newspaper, Aung San Suu Kyi questioned
>     whether the international justice system was capable of ignoring
>     'unsubstantiated narratives' told by human rights groups and UN
>     investigators against her country."
>
>     https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51221029
>
> I propose to remove any references to this individual from Emacs.
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Kangas

The Rohingya did make themselves bad Karma [0] in the past. Just another
opnion ;;;

[0] 業報 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Sincerely, Byung-Hee 

-- 
^고맙습니다 _救濟蒼生_ 감사합니다_^))//

Message #11 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:24:53 +0300

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 15:51:52 -0700
> Cc: rms <at> gnu.org
> 
> However, after the victory of her party in 2015, Aung San Suu Kyi, has
> herself been implicated in murderous activities against and persecution
> of the Rohingya Muslim minority.

AFAIU, this is factually inaccurate: she is being criticized for
allegedly failing, in her role as the prime minister, to protect the
Rohingya.  AFAIK, no one has claimed that she was responsible for the
persecution of the Rohingya or took part in it personally.

Message #14 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:20:10 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> There is a comment in Emacs which describes Aung San Suu Kyi in a
> positive light as compared to the "murderous generals" of the country.
> This comment was added in 2008.

I agree with the removal and the commit message (which is very neutral)
seems fine to me.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #17 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan <at> marxist.se, rms <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 18:52:48 +0300

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:20:10 +0200
> Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms <at> gnu.org
> 
> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
> 
> > There is a comment in Emacs which describes Aung San Suu Kyi in a
> > positive light as compared to the "murderous generals" of the country.
> > This comment was added in 2008.
> 
> I agree with the removal and the commit message (which is very neutral)
> seems fine to me.

As that comment was written by Richard, please wait for him to chime
in.

Message #20 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:24:15 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

When a comment states that a policy decision was made by me,
please talk with me about whether to change it.

I agree to deleting this line.

  > -;; Aung San Suu Kyi says to call her country "Burma".
  > -;; The murderous generals say to call it "Myanmar".

but I still want to call that country Burma.
The renaming was the decision of the murderous generals,
and they are no better than they were before.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #23 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 09:10:07 +0200

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Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

> When a comment states that a policy decision was made by me,
> please talk with me about whether to change it.

That's why I put you on Cc.

> I agree to deleting this line.
>
>   > -;; Aung San Suu Kyi says to call her country "Burma".
>   > -;; The murderous generals say to call it "Myanmar".
>
> but I still want to call that country Burma.
> The renaming was the decision of the murderous generals,
> and they are no better than they were before.

I agree that the generals are as bad as ever.

I have attached an updated patch - is it okay?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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Message #26 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:16:32 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

In my previous message I made an editing error.

I agree to deleting this line.

  > -;; Aung San Suu Kyi says to call her country "Burma".

but I want to keep the line about the generals
and call that country Burma.
The renaming was the decision of the murderous generals,
and they are no better than they were before.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #29 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:23:08 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

In my previous message I made an editing error.

I agree to deleting this line.

  > -;; Aung San Suu Kyi says to call her country "Burma".

but I want to keep the line about the generals
and call that country Burma.
The renaming was the decision of the murderous generals,
and they are no better than they were before.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #32 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 22:32:02 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > I have attached an updated patch - is it okay?

Yes.  Happy hacking.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #35 received at 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 42788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42788: [PATCH] Remove outdated comment on Myanmar / Burma
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 04:58:36 +0200

close 42788 28.1
thanks

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

>   > I have attached an updated patch - is it okay?
>
> Yes.  Happy hacking.

Thanks, pushed to master as commit 38d70f79a6.  Closing this bug.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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