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In semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area: cedet/semantic/idle.el:802:13: Warning: =E2=80=98eldoc-message=E2=80=99 is = an obsolete function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use =E2=80=98eldoc-documentation-function= s=E2=80=99 instead. I guess this is the result of Jo=C3=A3o's changes in July? I had a quick peek at how to fix it, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 51, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20, = cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-08-09 built on xo Repository revision: 1a845a672dc73c8e98e6cb9bb734616e168e60ba Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12008000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 28 13:55:46 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Aug 2020 17:55:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47392 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kBibK-0002DS-Gf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:55:46 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f174.google.com ([209.85.219.174]:36034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kBibJ-0002DG-5z for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:55:46 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 189so78083ybw.3 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:55:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IC6PtyXARx7vgwrGwwv5OH/olnzoKSukC9aM51Hv5wg=; b=myzbIlME5NgIYvvR5lluTsE3lVeveNePWwwekfMHQyceVbE/aR1tWlxO3Uqd1bT29u YTB8B1UOKz66gTGA0Hf/NWGpEPPj5/F5dXhBU/rXFoW/5Dkth8Ay4CDuwUl9eQKpGi9H CAfT/irayCu/RUZwGr38BrpVuBeCgojs5kLFpYSqvHhzRUFAmQWJx66rtQLvcKXQARL5 K1EExgdmdB4BDwD6T3Ol59kIgRm4WzXcb+j2IXVMN6BDqldvR7u/5FBmI9FCPH5WxRuE UXRtl/JihzdOhs9wD+aDMDsXmZUrtf4uzoQREFmKxtnNFVmRQe/qib4XZL4dPt8nrExz WDFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Zrt5/sg66owwehCtKGrrqJv/bfWnfLgDjCO5P+TVhXm9Kzqjw t6kehHTol97kVzQa96bW8lGuu9MZFhR1OLtxfyv0QFoy X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwG8k6EFaUS+o/7yD0ZDvP4iX/5XMCJJKzNlOLPN5CvouI+uPuO2uenSTXoDgCbGy7xDgYqbptv9RlvWY4j38c= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:508:: with SMTP id o8mr4531942ybp.43.1598637339696; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:55:39 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 09 Aug 2020 17:23:01 +0200") References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > In semantic-idle-summary-idle-function: > cedet/semantic/idle.el:771:10: Warning: =E2=80=98eldoc-message=E2=80=99 i= s an obsolete > function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use =E2=80=98eldoc-documentation-functi= ons=E2=80=99 instead. > > In semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area: > cedet/semantic/idle.el:802:13: Warning: =E2=80=98eldoc-message=E2=80=99 i= s an obsolete > function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use =E2=80=98eldoc-documentation-functi= ons=E2=80=99 instead. > > I guess this is the result of Jo=C3=A3o's changes in July? I had a quick > peek at how to fix it, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me. Copying in Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora in the hope that the fix will be immediate= ly obvious to him. 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[83.132.192.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o9sm1134629wrw.58.2020.08.28.15.32.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 23:32:36 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:55:39 -0700") Message-ID: <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> In semantic-idle-summary-idle-function: >> cedet/semantic/idle.el:771:10: Warning: =E2=80=98eldoc-message=E2=80=99 = is an obsolete >> function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use =E2=80=98eldoc-documentation-funct= ions=E2=80=99 instead. >> >> In semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area: >> cedet/semantic/idle.el:802:13: Warning: =E2=80=98eldoc-message=E2=80=99 = is an obsolete >> function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use =E2=80=98eldoc-documentation-funct= ions=E2=80=99 instead. >> >> I guess this is the result of Jo=C3=A3o's changes in July? I had a quick >> peek at how to fix it, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me. > > Copying in Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora in the hope that the fix will be immedia= tely > obvious to him. Lars, you want to fix the compilation warning or something else? The function is obsolete, but it leep working. The only "fix" is to follow the advice in the warning message. I don't know why this particular compilation warning didn't pop up earlier, I don't recall it. 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Content preview: João Távora writes: >>> In semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area: >>> cedet/semantic/idle.el:802:13: Warning: ‘eldoc-message’ is an obsolete >>> function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use >>> ‘eldoc-documentation-function [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: >>> In semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area: >>> cedet/semantic/idle.el:802:13: Warning: =E2=80=98eldoc-message=E2=80=99= is an obsolete >>> function (as of eldoc-1.1.0); use >>> =E2=80=98eldoc-documentation-functions=E2=80=99 instead. >>> >>> I guess this is the result of Jo=C3=A3o's changes in July? I had a qui= ck >>> peek at how to fix it, but it wasn't immediately obvious to me. >> >> Copying in Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora in the hope that the fix will be immedi= ately >> obvious to him. > > Lars, you want to fix the compilation warning or something else? The > function is obsolete, but it leep working. The only "fix" is to follow > the advice in the warning message. If the function is obsolete, all in-tree callers should be fixed. I'm not familiar enough with eldoc to do so, though. > I don't know why this particular compilation warning didn't pop up > earlier, I don't recall it. It's been there ever since you obsoleted eldoc-message, of course. :-) --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 30 09:58:24 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2020 13:58:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50428 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCNqi-0001Mh-I6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:58:24 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45136) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCNqh-0001MU-9i for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:58:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Nmf0L/S2xIgLIvNnbb0A8hjQRi88mEWfh5VBXzkibQk=; b=C/NYBcOgFpLxyvk/USQS60pCds mwJmzATGCxx37oN/Zlt9NmZqpb/YErdg8C0wSA2uo+YGK1WDrdRM1uTiPB0Qc206O4pVIbFCgmxz2 JHtuLjIHrncKSQm4+Zouem14suDN7G3kEUXigilyPqi03xk/Q1T9srg4WOi0axiewrQM=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kCNqY-0001NX-Dx; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:58:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEUSDw4qKCc/QT5+ gHpfX1ysppn///9OVc6wAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+QIHg0pMdz3lNsAAAGISURBVDjL lZPJcoMwDIYtwgNILr1jD7l3YrhjEPdMYr//q1TGZGOZTnXBw2dZ+rUo9acB7fyzxloD6YjgWjaN T+fCaGuYcbl1jveBh3QqebDLnWSnGG8ZVJUX0KvFpXiCgSRGUyskIgV10cXbOAOPQMYiYNF4Kns4 C7jMiUimpOWrdU3nXoKEDJIEFBFCbTP9qPIFstVUeZquWyA5KDr16nsFQNItwlSLwpDTfbPWxr7a ABRtY7xy4zYeZYwxTNxtQBXjPYxuC5ouBnCuu60AsIvRuHa6rD2Y20GNzq1AObCTdvEawFe8jN0F xM1n8OhpEUMxBs3MZhVjCqhNAv7V6LmIlRdnLTH8qiSQOUl3PmcMUB3YBgAeXNaW9gHZ/aehMbQP mI7Ap0eavlwkrumVLoAxT5A9snKQSX4+ZempXYZVm0UWNDMARWmKUVG9yAJZwBQTUBYiFZgeenV+ FaQ0sruyRo8NhuUGzXnhWzFzUrAUntSnLli+lfTXqH8aHvwnPHTR9YGLwV/8Y0JxFkZNUQAAACV0 RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0wOC0zMFQxMzo0MTo0OSswMDowMDir/t4AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6 bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMDgtMzBUMTM6NDE6NDkrMDA6MDBJ9kZiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Mega Bog's _Dolphine_: "Spit In The Eye Of The Fire King (by Ash Rickli)" Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:58:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora=22's?= message of "Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:54:29 +0100") Message-ID: <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: João Távora writes: > ...unless that code is used in another non emacs-master context. I > seem to recall that having happened with Gnus once. Let's hope > it's not the case of CEDET, in which case the solution is to sho [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > ...unless that code is used in another non emacs-master context. I=20 > seem to recall that having happened with Gnus once. Let's hope > it's not the case of CEDET, in which case the solution is to shoosh > the byte-compiler in that particular spot. CEDET is mostly in-tree these days. > This is odd because I did get a line from Eli to fix some compilation=20 > after my changes, and these were not among them. I wonder if this file > is always byte-compiled. It is, but perhaps Eli didn't do a "make bootstrap" to get all the warnings. (The CEDET files don't change that much these days, so they're rarely re-compiled.) --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 30 10:27:48 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2020 14:27:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50472 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOJ9-0004G9-RK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:27:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36178) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOJ8-0004Fx-Me for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:27:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOJ3-0006x1-A6; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:27:41 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2809 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOJ1-0001gA-Tk; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:27:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:27:35 +0300 Message-Id: <83a6ycxl7s.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:58:13 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, joaotavora@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:58:13 +0200 > Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas > > perhaps Eli didn't do a "make bootstrap" to get all the warnings. I never bootstrap, not on my main development system. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 30 10:28:42 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2020 14:28:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50476 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOK2-0004Hi-6R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:28:42 -0400 Received: from mail-qt1-f181.google.com ([209.85.160.181]:38603) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOK1-0004HU-0H for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:28:41 -0400 Received: by mail-qt1-f181.google.com with SMTP id e5so3053004qth.5 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=smJtChhxL2qSCm/a4zJbYu8T7t80w/p1KaLHLcQ7wJs=; b=eunqZf4g73YMM3FtiRB0UVNNBbbYAFHZ5U4ruAj/0YBsMQgdARbVSLRnV//4dGc3MQ t/Cma+CYNtWF1umkMXAAsuiPd6RQgrC7I49Z9SbaWWz7UD4ufeToEPonXL11hzULJekr 9K07VHGQH0gZQt+vmRfy9MRD3OUxMvbvRH85LQt1cQ+ZTVANfvcud6CJvdzA8ota+rTZ zVSoYYIyPX9gK79bdjZ8MzNVvZsWub0FY+ZesszXwS5OMpIIsKQWVWkv/bNn4s9C2NWb CijgkO/I+MgtrQYKGfLp24EZ7Ou0s6ZqK0SpPYbi8Az9yYL10UMi+aV+xDNOrBtLGuSn UMcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=smJtChhxL2qSCm/a4zJbYu8T7t80w/p1KaLHLcQ7wJs=; b=XaR5ggOJMGLvwyhrWEgVFUnBGFuJq7w2H7kEddNrFA/GSHnrV3Ztcuh9KQdyMHi5VT kaPKJ2AdZSOnzU6LbuVjeu8G9TnkHgw0qTIKhgSEJ0oNAtQvOfUuWc7ImgYULnkHYSDC JMjWfNvm2kmOQO0j9zgO4To8pfIVucOQsrQaRC5pot1HRKqDZi8IYZ8KOnqk8BCWLuMa kr7SfFIQw4FsILJvxdMJU4hSSRtgPEWF46UQw2KQ6wRxsNy1AsFV7LZoW8YwH61jl2+3 FpEP4gZs/ZRhN+N5B2iFz0+JHWRKCd4EBHnG+MQ+EIdOabFNV1ANUeT8SEpDJvBftFHp RTKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531HGNeG+50ZJPRKrvbJMlyiqUiqy93MKaBOYW3QaX7i/11Qc6PC e/YqfXHl/LPwdghLcs2zX1YB4QF24/uvuUgI3Savu9JL X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxXDWcePIKK+2vz7wp8BHa1oTlSTLZ7P81SG0AHbClFYAO0MlR1A+Kg6qoq1B92mKuZogcmNnvOx6XsVOokdeo= X-Received: by 2002:a02:6995:: with SMTP id e143mr8019952jac.78.1598795680599; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 06:54:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 14:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009c534e05ae18a0cb" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000009c534e05ae18a0cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 2:47 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > Lars, you want to fix the compilation warning or something else? The > > function is obsolete, but it leep working. The only "fix" is to follow > > the advice in the warning message. > > If the function is obsolete, all in-tree callers should be fixed. ...unless that code is used in another non emacs-master context. I seem to recall that having happened with Gnus once. Let's hope it's not the case of CEDET, in which case the solution is to shoosh the byte-compiler in that particular spot. I'm > not familiar enough with eldoc to do so, though. > No problem, I'll do it. It's not hard, though, and the docstrings should guide anyone to do the same. > > I don't know why this particular compilation warning didn't pop up > > earlier, I don't recall it. > > It's been there ever since you obsoleted eldoc-message, of course. :-) > This is odd because I did get a line from Eli to fix some compilation after my changes, and these were not among them. I wonder if this file is always byte-compiled. Thanks, Jo=C3=A3o --0000000000009c534e05ae18a0cb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 2:47 PM Lars Inge= brigtsen <larsi@gnus= .org> wrote:
=C2=A0
> Lars, you want to fix the compilation warning or something else?=C2=A0= The
> function is obsolete, but it leep working.=C2=A0 The only "fix&qu= ot; is to follow
> the advice in the warning message.

If the function is obsolete, all in-tree callers should be fixed.=C2=A0

...unless that code is used in another non em= acs-master context. I
seem to recall that having happened wi= th Gnus once.=C2=A0 Let's hope
it's not the case of CEDET= , in which case the solution is to shoosh
the byte-compiler in th= at particular spot.

I'm
not familiar enough with eldoc to do so, though.

<= /div>
No problem, I'll do it.=C2=A0 It's not hard, though, and = the docstrings
should guide anyone to do the same.
= =C2=A0
> I don't know why this particular compilation warning didn't po= p up
> earlier, I don't recall it.

It's been there ever since you obsoleted eldoc-message, of course.=C2= =A0 :-)

This is odd because I did get a line= from Eli to fix some compilation
afte= r my changes, and these were not among them.=C2=A0 I wonder if this file
is always byte-compiled.

Thanks,
Jo=C3=A3o
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I wonder if this file >> is always byte-compiled. > > It is, but perhaps Eli didn't do a "make bootstrap" to get all the > warnings. (The CEDET files don't change that much these days, so > they're rarely re-compiled.) Anyway, I just had a look at this. This isn't the normal situation of an ElDoc user switching from the old "call eldoc-message directly" protocol to the new callback-based protocol. Rather, idle.el is mostly a reimplementation of ElDoc itself which uses a substantial amount of ElDoc internals -- and repeats much of its code. It is, in my opinion a file to be itself obsoleted. Anyway, the solution with less risk here is to use with-supressed-warnings, which is what the attached patch does. Jo=C3=A3o --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-Suppress-ElDoc-compiler-warnings-in-lisp-cedet-seman.patch >From 2d951fbe6d5af21c839e2ff7ab89aeabff945621 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Jo=C3=A3o=20T=C3=A1vora?= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:19:08 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Suppress ElDoc compiler warnings in lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el Fixes: bug#42777 * lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el (semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area) (semantic-idle-summary-idle-function): Use `with-supressed-warnings`. --- lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el | 10 ++++++++-- 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el b/lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el index 76218249c5..8f58f53b14 100644 --- a/lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el +++ b/lisp/cedet/semantic/idle.el @@ -768,7 +768,10 @@ semantic-idle-summary-idle-function (when (> strlen ea-width) (setq str (substring str 0 ea-width))))) ;; Display it - (eldoc-message str)))) + ;; FIXME: stop using ElDoc's internals and just use ElDoc. + (with-suppressed-warnings + ((obsolete eldoc-message)) + (eldoc-message str))))) (define-minor-mode semantic-idle-summary-mode "Toggle Semantic Idle Summary mode. @@ -799,7 +802,10 @@ semantic-idle-summary-refresh-echo-area (not (and (boundp 'edebug-active) edebug-active)) (not cursor-in-echo-area) (not (eq (selected-window) (minibuffer-window)))) - (eldoc-message eldoc-last-message) + ;; FIXME: stop using ElDoc's internals and just use ElDoc. + (with-suppressed-warnings + ((obsolete eldoc-message)) + (eldoc-message eldoc-last-message)) (setq eldoc-last-message nil)))) (semantic-add-minor-mode 'semantic-idle-summary-mode "") -- 2.25.1 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 30 10:36:30 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2020 14:36:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCORa-0004Vp-Jm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:36:30 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f54.google.com ([209.85.166.54]:43169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCORZ-0004Vb-0H for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:36:29 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f54.google.com with SMTP id z25so799350iol.10 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:36:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=R4seEWUOxOsKZnC6SeRVf6h7BhP2Wj0pOACDEbnuEiE=; b=GC+ITyJJPy0KG7Auzf0Cvuwg5ICNGtwph27DKnba5vjAEoLnLFMmlM3VCNmBsuA2Rj jYRZsFVHisYjWbZlEWjyllchbJg9pmybYF0PTgosv0TNTpaRI0/oS5+Lw15RFCjj0N7W f2BjZbam90j/Djv4YqOk4qfb0TWCTZjbiMEPJTCDqTzC/MeMll7V4K1VWTXgvv5VMJdT lkpsxOB8iEN13cP7tPdWzC+8FoBRIkbu4tzSlHi7doSWv+EEjTwtv7uB4MZoPPxQoip6 IFC/5aNPNJcRgFD2VghSOVObUjfVZq38OKQS3LHTQYSzLwk6/TZGSSox5+TGhlHJujQb 0eTA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=R4seEWUOxOsKZnC6SeRVf6h7BhP2Wj0pOACDEbnuEiE=; b=l51KC8/kw2ZNi4n1YYAJzDCVzOdxncxyxUeUCkV6XJADCnsYw1WVg92p1M2nyCwKuL rHdFln7a2SInCM5ER0KfTgK+h3UWmB0qnLZ50Hakfaw37lZvZtAQkNFNvIWvHPjYhq8l X0vqswLtdqe6CG8CWvELi6A5lvlzpR5h+gw+zwlZrnTeGBZM/Ea3KFGW7YTQYFgb8fk5 aRiNhnWKC5npA/p1IVRwH8wNEIs90n50AgCjod7gu/hBb+eimMplK2iylx3/p76waoX0 YlbFeIdPTR7/2cMkoW/VFXshIIuRhc0qX3BmtK6Uu+gZUZqNfGzSrPhj0DhDWjexgI63 C8kA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533zsnA+fCb0lcbLzjHpqb24oRB/elOarBZZLUE0BLj21y7hRuDy WSFYV21HG+8gbx+JmoA92EY2B74PR+I1x9pifRNq0LhZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxET9IN+7u3qM6HWhYMhSI50cO16fCm35JAg+Sa1YhBGjsMEtuDcXc54JV4b7yxne6aniqz0lh69SSL6ShlaWU= X-Received: by 2002:a02:3f2d:: with SMTP id d45mr8569232jaa.120.1598796649737; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 15:10:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000060340405ae18da6b" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000060340405ae18da6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 2:58 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > > It is, but perhaps Eli didn't do a "make bootstrap" to get all the > warnings. (The CEDET files don't change that much these days, so > they're rarely re-compiled.) > Maybe also related to the fact the function is forward declared in the file you pointed to. Jo=C3=A3o --00000000000060340405ae18da6b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 2:58 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:

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--00000000000060340405ae18da6b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 30 10:56:38 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2020 14:56:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50517 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOl4-00050a-1h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:56:38 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]:41944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCOl2-00050K-OD for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 10:56:36 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f180.google.com with SMTP id h20so2547724ybj.8 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:56:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2+Y8WdL6DCwwX6XIKvMTZFB8X7drO8p0FNJMdPpXZaI=; b=C43LVgqkbEBlbXlmGwFa4h7iPTMs1FDsMFpz+v5T/w2MxGRQLnVmcwOI5q4qi0td5h njvcXLdldKC3NJidrSIv8RboJRdZ1yy3aHVCiuPO/Yso0nFBCRJqgMuRBOIgZ5ooD+89 EO+YNILwiKlxRh3GIPZGBa586PWO5wgmk45xtqK6202TKf3j1w7CVn5B96TZZiaFe/Ns rl38NqvgdlYqEjhff8Z9QsF4T3UTjh8CAZaAGzCoQFjxntHgn1798FFkDJ82ZDxNuAiJ 9tnRku3Buc6gpa+X7ue7dIyIT222S+4ZE0Dc2uDHAC6fBtEEpCUxgzt3Pwp9itkm9NFg jkAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306T6abpmnug/ZPvZo4HrlTj1tDFW1OUhV/Lh0rtjZBwMimwe5w fXmE+sEO0H7/q7c8cOav8Ky60v7yiA5mmsEqBBA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw3iD5Zw/J8ACb5d1qX2B47wzsrYjyjX7mj2+X/BZjI9kqmgApQ/qRIJVCWvadFXqUGRcQuG/PAe2qiJnacXds= X-Received: by 2002:a25:4ed7:: with SMTP id c206mr14887788ybb.129.1598799391095; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:56:30 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 07:56:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Rather, idle.el is mostly a reimplementation of ElDoc itself which uses > a substantial amount of ElDoc internals -- and repeats much of its code. > It is, in my opinion a file to be itself obsoleted. I'm not familiar with idle.el, but I'd suggest to open a new bug report to track that work. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: João Távora writes: > Anyway, the solution with less risk here is to use > with-supressed-warnings, which is what the attached patch does. Hm... I don't think that's a good idea. We shouldn't suppress warnings that point to actual problems, like this one does: eldoc-message will be going away some day, and then idle.el will stop working [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Anyway, the solution with less risk here is to use > with-supressed-warnings, which is what the attached patch does. Hm... I don't think that's a good idea. We shouldn't suppress warnings that point to actual problems, like this one does: eldoc-message will be going away some day, and then idle.el will stop working (without any warning). --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 30 12:00:27 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2020 16:00:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50620 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCPkp-0006Y5-09 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:00:27 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f45.google.com ([209.85.166.45]:37880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kCPkn-0006Xu-KS for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:00:26 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f45.google.com with SMTP id b16so3658859ioj.4 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:00:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=m2NWkptv6gtHt6eDdQUlZoILdXj2Eh0R0Zt5lpRpj8Q=; b=VRdLugvPW8sO70WSJpCPOJu1XhBY9roldZHCG2nIlANmhi/KST76Tb0LRDxgiTOVpM 96b/nS/jyYDSP+Et9rzo4LMsXs+ik3GMi+TKrTShjUKGwNBNTpeJFG0CnUtByX/O2Hrv iRBWq0ze+Ro9+dDy7k8ctar7y2a1Ar1LRjdWF4QD6H65T17JvWJmZJeNGTqNyyCjYZE6 O3e7xMjk+AS/Q9KG8w6a9j7/st8ziFO9zwfivPxYOazx8BCEFLiytS2OR4qfvg9yiLhP fRBcRuUwKsGIk9d/+7qkb+6mj36MMLxNUvqf/fnKSX9MC2pxDcyKMmHjgXkvF8Y+Sq7n ygEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=m2NWkptv6gtHt6eDdQUlZoILdXj2Eh0R0Zt5lpRpj8Q=; b=W7LqMxzd7yFqSEcJgHUlWjXZ3TItbuDunEzqxITLGJZu9o5uoaENSjnV21V8urql54 C+7Cq7eSJ8wQZRoOGprnGVcC8N7/yqktvwhR+Q+LxtO/oOcwNX2ULkkO7Ql/UrZ0T2Mj Z/UhjlvWE+MMgDNUtPqOjv+AeS/mKNR1zsebzATDBn3b4CW23Pg2963gQe92S2NKJK1y H3X9Ap4z4nsF244iAoeNSUOMRtOyFSZ4ny665P3LoxFIYCc7Pnau3+E9B9ghBzvOfT/H CYNRp7faz5ozSmz5Gw3Iu+Pa5cZBfz+jaizvn76DJDG2sN4CQdFryreSok8MnJoqzCaU PwKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531xbPOxf1QoOvAYbyMu+1U2CkcIWoDDTfhxDB8v2skOIqkZRh67 riCoxU3JzcBHItNMu3UqJuRJkJSYfBoxuuYI+CnbTO3A X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwzZZAp2vxpHPmAvEa40N9lNy2lByjx+0TKzMr4ob133nRxWlM6eXYTQtvttenX11DT4OVKOspTAxH2UwjZTmc= X-Received: by 2002:a02:a48d:: with SMTP id d13mr6437532jam.71.1598803219921; Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:00:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fd415405ae1a613e" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000fd415405ae1a613e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 16:46 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > > Anyway, the solution with less risk here is to use > > with-supressed-warnings > Hm... I don't think that's a good idea. We shouldn't suppress warnings > that point to actual problems, like this one does: eldoc-message will be > going away some day, and then idle.el will stop working (without any > warning). Not without _any warning_. I'm only supressing the obsoletion warning. If you remove a function you should in principle get another warning. Jo=C3=A3o --000000000000fd415405ae1a613e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 16:46 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@gmail.com> w= rites:

> Anyway, the solution with less risk here is to use
> with-supressed-warnings
=
Hm...=C2=A0 I don't think that's a good idea.=C2=A0 We shouldn'= t suppress warnings
that point to actual problems, like this one does: eldoc-message will be going away some day, and then idle.el will stop working (without any
warning).


Not without _any warning_. I'm only supressing the obsoletion war= ning. If you remove a function you should in principle get another warning.=

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: João Távora writes: > Not without _any warning_. I'm only supressing the obsoletion warning. If you > remove a function you should in principle get another warning. That's true, but only after removing it. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Not without _any warning_. I'm only supressing the obsoletion warning. If= you > remove a function you should in principle get another warning. That's true, but only after removing it. Suppressing obsoletion warnings in in-tree code is counter-productive, in my opinion. 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[78.137.220.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h5sm6710157wrc.45.2020.08.30.12.22.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 30 Aug 2020 12:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:22:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 30 Aug 2020 18:01:53 +0200") Message-ID: <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > >> Not without _any warning_. I'm only supressing the obsoletion warning. I= f you >> remove a function you should in principle get another warning. > > That's true, but only after removing it. > > Suppressing obsoletion warnings in in-tree code is counter-productive, > in my opinion. (The exception is code in lisp/obsolete, of course.) That's true. But look, the real underlying problem we have in our code that there is code in CEDET's idle.el that needlessly duplicates and uses implementation detail of the ElDoc infrastructure. The real fix to this bug is _integration_, and integration is hard and takes time.=20 In parallel, in my opinion, there is little point in having 0 warnings globally. Maybe that is the policy in the Emacs repo, but in my opinion I'd rather investigate "positive deltas" in warning count. The warnings in this case point and mark the problem described above. We could leave them until someone (maybe CEDET's author) either does the integration work, or moves idle.el to lisp/obsolete. Jo=C3=A3o From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 01 10:14:15 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2020 14:14:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kD739-0002h6-9l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 10:14:15 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kD735-0002gp-HP for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 10:14:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SHgGFwpdaW3pZDVYkyzZ+F3hwTY3uUb0XXGUoGYQWDo=; b=sR9eScbGi5sjWSrnayNQ9epaOF 5xO4TPOXvt0WLNOBhLCVp1/CwIf70ifhaK6AnvKiF4v98ML16ORpIs8SF23cFVyXrwAIIMdwts9yq RxuL2gZUNFfluHLqF/ckj0Eq+i1XOVnwed3inr6rqBvFPcannd8WNAl729Jk+dtnGNOg=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kD72v-0002I0-DP; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:14:04 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEWNcHFWLTE3ChCt k5Lby8YfAAD///+vu6zwAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+QJAQ4MKok9XfAAAAG3SURBVDjL dZRLltwgDEWFwXPAVXNQl+fQsACfoAVUnJP9byVgwJ92hYEHujxJ6GMAAI3Xo6CcEIJjF7tkaJUq IIQzsUxFSlRBGA4ATCQmXQNujyNhWrSlrjicgUyzoZA6CE1iJIyGKABQ/pbjN/sMXCkilrOiTjaJ BW9F0qvVG0h7FAPPB33b8kDqElfAFyAFxbK6gtR9SfYVFjaX7PguKY90o4ibHeGvFU2S8zJc0bLW 9yCusUpyEClfqVUnA3w3XxqZj4s+wByrr8EqRw4PgK8GjI3Jn4Gtvrx5096ADcwNqD8pjhcgGngt vcoV4KPmO4gl4AW8KhiDd+sHwDV5/xEocv8DweOn4JL4FbR0nYzTD9AeKMWUGzx8KMlUXJ1AL+Ib eDiDveyGR6lRXRpVgDaPyEY099YaQ78U2udpGLbY+S6l37nBGzgGa8iA06DQlNJXe5sFgxMttkoO QZ4Cq02i7yo5ZrcUY0AeSasZGjhG9zmBSJJZtkK3+7oexrlsWTiDGM57axnPZclX9x3s5bYy+bwA id/WGU1yxT/82OZCuLc83X8Z2Z0IEOFuL2nzkAEovB/1DziVspmDzhX9AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNy ZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTA5LTAxVDE0OjEyOjQyKzAwOjAw96/xcAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAy MC0wOS0wMVQxNDoxMjo0MiswMDowMIbyScwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Riow Aral's _Beat Bracelet_: "Compress" Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:14:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vor?= =?utf-8?Q?a=22's?= message of "Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:22:32 +0100") Message-ID: <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: João Távora writes: > That's true. But look, the real underlying problem we have in our code > that there is code in CEDET's idle.el that needlessly duplicates and > uses implementation detail of the ElDoc infrastructure [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > That's true. But look, the real underlying problem we have in our code > that there is code in CEDET's idle.el that needlessly duplicates and > uses implementation detail of the ElDoc infrastructure. The real fix to > this bug is _integration_, and integration is hard and takes time.=20 Indeed. And meanwhile the warning should stay. > In parallel, in my opinion, there is little point in having 0 warnings > globally. Maybe that is the policy in the Emacs repo, but in my opinion > I'd rather investigate "positive deltas" in warning count. No, that's not the policy, as far as I know: Warnings stay in until the problem is fixed, one way or another. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 01 14:22:33 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2020 18:22:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57249 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDAvQ-0003GN-PQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:22:32 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f54.google.com ([209.85.128.54]:54350) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDAvN-0003G6-Gt for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:22:31 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f54.google.com with SMTP id s13so2068941wmh.4 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:22:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QV2FlJz3je2ZLDZthdR7UnmdmhPVl6XmCanjObxiOEc=; b=jOC20ZSg4DxX0W9hhvo+wlqBcI+u1UE12kVEfHa8AJgNh6moibcEBAbDby1ZpcUIJN 1RY6oyFlOfgMEifly9wgodftD4ewRuPMLnpe3ywL4bdwpXs3kZicP8MrdQyB8hfCpyPH eGBfdulv0Dx6Mup3QL4w8IuzUZdr0R8no2tMQ2U6l8VSCzy9Ksn80uf75Qicb+kbkrL5 zTV6jEX+T87ATNsb1dhH84eyeKOPh2wN44DttWBZukyUrY4AjNRgwXibOGYmeYy1VaOT tzNAyaTVsg5VUl++fXnBkSfv9FncCqk3H1dvucda3IR6MbXUe0rTpZM9qYK0bqOJD6Pf irZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QV2FlJz3je2ZLDZthdR7UnmdmhPVl6XmCanjObxiOEc=; b=PCP8JdnoFO5+DcQXHT4/sXRrPbDN/6uwPUrKDPQNMeafVALJx7I3bMZE/bzCsTI/IJ IECmpXwWY2pqpNRslHGiz/rZ4V+vB8yuraeHdEDIFYaBwgoDPmFwo3TQgU11MhrItN4S 2CrHtLB4HdB28YdpXhKM/lAjeuwvmIzdTw41ws1UsrQ7IjATaDY72P6ecqvF06yvfzh9 ZhFCuADlqI5FXT1BlBqy4kJMTqUKF9gtIITcAfZ/eW4+6hXuX5nNyxx7Fz/N7b1MDT4W AiVABbVydS7+DNget5IdHjlP1IzGYUIwA8qgForI2sRTeZXONEX14pY5Z8j4o8145Ie+ cPwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533cfFiy2N33/BmvPt7GOsOs1Cryc/8MHWG5bWqYJqJoFdmOmQi+ STVNRlJp4So72tTmM2hP7roFp/F3+aRyLw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJweMcFV+I70XbKLPoll/dj+ySF7gvMmyelcXrKCyk22S0RL9M96yHhjb6h/3MHp6bhmAAe6nA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9dd5:: with SMTP id g204mr2899052wme.162.1598984543327; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krug (77.68.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt. [93.108.68.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f3sm2652339wmb.35.2020.09.01.11.22.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 19:22:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:14:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87zh69pdb8.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > >> That's true. But look, the real underlying problem we have in our code >> that there is code in CEDET's idle.el that needlessly duplicates and >> uses implementation detail of the ElDoc infrastructure. The real fix to >> this bug is _integration_, and integration is hard and takes time.=20 > Indeed. And meanwhile the warning should stay. We agree then. >> In parallel, in my opinion, there is little point in having 0 warnings >> globally. Maybe that is the policy in the Emacs repo, but in my opinion >> I'd rather investigate "positive deltas" in warning count. > > No, that's not the policy, as far as I know: Warnings stay in until the > problem is fixed, one way or another. That's my view as well. So what's missing perhaps is that we close this bug and open another bug, as was Stefan Kangas' suggestion, to track the integration work. WDYT? Or maybe we should just leave this bug as that record, since it's where all the investigation done so far is registered anyway. Jo=C3=A3p From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 01 14:57:57 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2020 18:57:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57313 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDBTh-0004BE-Bm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:57:57 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f53.google.com ([209.85.218.53]:41133) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDBTg-0004B2-2J for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 14:57:56 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f53.google.com with SMTP id lo4so3183684ejb.8 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nS7IP7cytSOViw4zTXQsNyYld5LGtMq2Lk3lD5SZPXc=; b=CxYvxlsnBhXtAtTHQhLmg1dWOugJCWF9JHx0V9adg3FFiA8zHmZ17UkEcHcqoX/XrQ tgZELk1Isi+8CmMyUK/4yBV2sH12B5GqNKZTCzSGMaum3drr0Z1Nk5RHuHrD7qA4/+Xw u+CqUah1f1JWI8SRc0JH34tZsy25fPFPsrk99ZIlVcfobrcj8vQEf+qnfF4GSfYJH/97 WXogevJ81IR7rPpDYhKhISkK+QsPgKe8d74Dzj83AUpbYoFeHq1iUpH24fMxEW8Zq25Y mfQXzXS+pnCfCiszkJiH/UsxeiuCQhdihKTXopfr+7y7VonwVKUELF3hgaHVJxl91YCl 0YFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533WR43KpvipKKd0aR1gzBq0juq2CxC3XUYRTFZ2fyrLmND8+ebb jlLuaquVRrUEItbYkqhviCTQPj+ll3nJoozhnEQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyBzf0AOsPzKpGjjD6/ECyxCV7hsvMP22NRT+kS5KIFXn1P8Cug/nlBmVxr0o8XgM8GpFOLWyUEQwOMOeBYEWE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3a02:: with SMTP id z2mr2818024eje.287.1598986670098; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:57:49 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87zh69pdb8.fsf@gmail.com> References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh69pdb8.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > That's my view as well. So what's missing perhaps is that we close this > bug and open another bug, as was Stefan Kangas' suggestion, to track the > integration work. WDYT? Or maybe we should just leave this bug as that > record, since it's where all the investigation done so far is > registered anyway. I don't have any strong feelings about it, but I think we could keep this bug report as is. My main concern was that this piece of information would be buried in a long sub-thread of an unrelated issue. But that doesn't seem to be the case here if obsoleting that file is indeed the solution we're going for. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 01 19:43:33 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2020 23:43:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57635 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDFw5-0003BT-IP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 19:43:33 -0400 Received: from mail-il1-f182.google.com ([209.85.166.182]:36579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDFw0-0003BD-Fu for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 19:43:32 -0400 Received: by mail-il1-f182.google.com with SMTP id p13so3380653ils.3 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:43:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WdAs9lvF6p7aOme8U10kcxExZoZKicL2hyOWr5G5Ciw=; b=cEijYx1HL2gp2a1vs0vBzH2FcV3ZXS5rK+w46prxuxAXJ1I8ZWMNF/rK6rqFqX5tRG Ma/DzhccJyaTNGotMTmeps7GsXIos1acp45uyHKwJmbqwueAcEc/3wMZ4oA1MQ+tzveb MyzIprPbq4Cl9H5EEFU8sKLTVr2lKqNg7Widpg9+88XBOTQ+T5gecbBHfTn/lNWxpiaW G8PNd56o1P9tWi7FYwIGVbH4zd/TnxrA3ehrprJLFnR3mzyORVWuv6HBt7hntTPPGpeJ rnV1AaI3CbccGJ3urZmkQ2ZwmN+wbdnHGv7rf0ngeplN42zKJqToGguyoJfZbfvNGn4B zEGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WdAs9lvF6p7aOme8U10kcxExZoZKicL2hyOWr5G5Ciw=; b=c8JXWwH9EqWrRtNS/ft53W3mHjTJ/W6/iPyLrzlx33tLJXQ+O/phYbP5SEP6EubvrB RZSNbTR9dJKm9Jao6UuWwVFgDnUrxynFz3+nCOETbMEOsPCb1m1707TCCAvrhKLY/QFB dn1MBK1iLzx0yagHzQlNwVBctvGznrwYpMfNYV7bKoOybXU2nx3jSFPq0Gsh74RlcNqb cGAWJ0s5Ote8Q9+8A+ATxTnB1Trbq8VWWwMRIbyvFAedRyl3bt6+w8XhoDLPHrlg6Tq4 Rb/EYBVO9fJ5rXI9JnvnCCKZSQv2/Mil29HZCGI4zgVrWPDuXOU8Axe43f31LbCon/bD PKVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hzPvB3Rzvpbb+0a1GohBClv12oeKPktwF9m+aFW9By9QN+SQn wn2Kkm+pPXTvxME1jHc8RUvqWcU5Z1J8aXmDEdM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzFzHEnaFax/t8Xq7KlJ3pmcdK/+9B58rNe/mU/0+8Ie8Z0I7SpnHoHSGYlG8g1SCDkl2VlTAKXrO4OA+D//Mc= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d80d:: with SMTP id y13mr1286486ilm.125.1599003802729; Tue, 01 Sep 2020 16:43:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh69pdb8.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 00:43:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: Stefan Kangas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a8022e05ae49151e" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000a8022e05ae49151e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 19:57 Stefan Kangas wrote: I don't have any strong feelings about it, but I think we could keep > this bug report as is. > > My main concern was that this piece of information would be buried in a > long sub-thread of an unrelated issue. But that doesn't seem to be the > case here if obsoleting that file is indeed the solution we're going for. > I agree, though I wouldn't yet go as far as asserting with 100% confidence that obsoleting idle.el entirely is what should be done, though it's a possibility. Just that we have an integration problem with duplicate functionality, duplicate code and shared internals. Maybe just fixing the later is enough. Because other than that, I feel the whole of CEDET has been pretty obsolete, de facto, for a while now. Jo=C3=A3o > --000000000000a8022e05ae49151e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 19:57 Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> wrote:

I don't have any strong feelings about it, but I think we could keep this bug report as is.

My main concern was that this piece of information would be buried in a
long sub-thread of an unrelated issue.=C2=A0 But that doesn't seem to b= e the
case here if obsoleting that file is indeed the solution we're going fo= r.

I agree, though I wouldn't yet go as far as= asserting with 100% confidence that obsoleting idle.el entirely is what sh= ould be done, though it's a possibility. Just that we have an integrati= on problem with duplicate functionality, duplicate code and shared internal= s. Maybe just fixing the later is enough. Because other than that, I feel t= he whole of CEDET has been pretty obsolete, de facto, for a while now.

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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: João Távora writes: > Maybe just fixing the later is enough. Because other than that, I feel > the whole of CEDET has been pretty obsolete, de facto, for a while > now. This is somewhat off-topic, but I wonder why. I mean, I don't use it myself, but I've tested it a bit now and then when fixing compilation bugs and stuff, and it seems very cool. It does a lot of what [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Maybe just fixing the later is enough. Because other than that, I feel > the whole of CEDET has been pretty obsolete, de facto, for a while > now. This is somewhat off-topic, but I wonder why. I mean, I don't use it myself, but I've tested it a bit now and then when fixing compilation bugs and stuff, and it seems very cool. It does a lot of what the now-very-popular LSP stuff does, but still nobody seems to give CEDET any love these days... --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 02 14:46:22 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2020 18:46:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60708 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDXm2-0006VJ-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:46:22 -0400 Received: from mail-il1-f178.google.com ([209.85.166.178]:42354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDXm0-0006V7-SR for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:46:21 -0400 Received: by mail-il1-f178.google.com with SMTP id t13so137479ile.9 for <42777@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:46:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0CYryrB/fUiy2D+qmTKAmjIgJtFIlglROZp7WPPAF1U=; b=jgcMhX1MIhWJK9pUuP7gh/atKRRWHTBhpyrUIvTe3XBM/2cF53N5gxpqOdoYO7V45b Jv0c3qx0rPjML7wQTiLPUzeLJIrLMGqudMPm513SvMlnQy3/hsMCbjMGzv2jt8eW2SUF MfnCFNQFlxQhSXemSGqhL6zv+EcdLfXtCf1WEEm3LvXjkqjhpEJ+h3kkJ1DvsHYugKww 0YB14JvkQ37yx6boB9NMgy+4bxG9GtpZzE2il2V5XAnuQgTdMVgpia/1AFd9pSjtuKmO wa6edPYslexG6eMFBBH9PRxswU1XLO1nhtJvDviSd8LqhfwOPTAe9UzBZqviXHhTAP4N Z2hg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0CYryrB/fUiy2D+qmTKAmjIgJtFIlglROZp7WPPAF1U=; b=cznU6Y4bfm/QiBPnK3I/838Sx0Ez18/DkIJJ5cKRGpP14XbzpJeaTTT/ctwmlr7TDT OD8WOCiyMTXQrtfwmkV6gDwqJJYbT+GIJrc/FvptprHYyte1uqN6V3yrDCSRRADo03/N 9P85dUae+fnV5lPopbmA8rFLH/B4ygsTeAbsImTTcMU9pjc1m9B/IzSbjHEtL89p6bWI NzS3G5AwfOCWLN2vOZJvLi++9qzOta1+ENHm2TBPy7x0UYeT56QCthy8F4sftjacmn6a gIOrh7fvFDLkdVV37b3MCggR/AJxaG4z1bv8vvYtwp2wRSxZ3D4TRPTGFMI0dRWMr7Iv hmKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533tGx8mlMAFVkyi61RnxW+/a9TKjY5QFfdQX6R1O8vUjofwYSSF ajLufHi9Kgv+hs0tTKcuww/ES1k9W+ztYmij6pfW+d+H2Nk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxWzvAdVopDgAZUm18svLXNiDL1DwHME5LHsJGSKSgr8FvMBA6YayOv7CHjLSKe38JNC9/RjN6lw//W13avOSE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:c61:: with SMTP id f1mr1631107ilj.137.1599072375238; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:46:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh69pdb8.fsf@gmail.com> <87r1rkti2e.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87r1rkti2e.fsf@gnus.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:46:02 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e582bc05ae590c28" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000e582bc05ae590c28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 14:38 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > > > Maybe just fixing the later is enough. Because other than that, I feel > > the whole of CEDET has been pretty obsolete, de facto, for a while > > now. > > This is somewhat off-topic, but I wonder why. I mean, I don't use it > myself, but I've tested it a bit now and then when fixing compilation > bugs and stuff, and it seems very cool. It does a lot of what the > now-very-popular LSP stuff does, but still nobody seems to give CEDET > any love these days... CEDET was promising, I followed it closely around 2007-2011 but it never delivered, IME. I remember being very frustrated by the inability to set up a simple "find the definition". Some awkward thing called "senator" had to be built, I think. Many (re)inventions there, as there were elsewhere (i.e. SLIME): Emacs simply didn't have the infrastructure of Eldoc, Xref, Flymake, etc that it does now. Also it suffers from the problem of not being LSP :) CEDET is an Emacs-specific protocol and an Emacs-specific toolkit to develop language-specific tools that speak that protocol. LSP is an editor agnostic and language agnostic protocol only. A very clever idea. You need relatively little effort on both sides to get something really useful going. And any effort you spend on one side is worth n-fold on the other side. That is its winning formula. Jo=C3=A3o --000000000000e582bc05ae590c28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 14:38 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@gmail.com> wr= ites:

> Maybe just fixing the later is enough. Because other than that, I feel=
> the whole of CEDET has been pretty obsolete, de facto, for a while
> now.

This is somewhat off-topic, but I wonder why.=C2=A0 I mean, I don't use= it
myself, but I've tested it a bit now and then when fixing compilation bugs and stuff, and it seems very cool.=C2=A0 It does a lot of what the
now-very-popular LSP stuff does, but still nobody seems to give CEDET
any love these days...

=
CEDET was promising, I followed it closely around 2007-20= 11 but it never delivered, IME. I remember being very frustrated by the ina= bility to set up a simple "find the definition". Some awkward thi= ng called "senator" had to be built, I think. Many (re)inventions= there, as there were elsewhere (i.e. SLIME): Emacs simply didn't have = the infrastructure of Eldoc, Xref, Flymake, etc that it does now.=C2=A0

Also it suffers from the pr= oblem of not being LSP :) CEDET is an Emacs-specific protocol and an Emacs-= specific toolkit to develop language-specific tools that speak that protoco= l. LSP is an editor agnostic and language agnostic protocol only. A very cl= ever idea. You need relatively little effort on both sides to get something= really useful going. And any effort you spend on one side is worth n-fold = on the other side. That is its winning formula.

=
Jo=C3=A3o
--000000000000e582bc05ae590c28-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 03 22:23:30 2020 Received: (at 42777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2020 02:23:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36683 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kE1Ny-000420-Jn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 22:23:30 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kE1Nx-00041o-Hi for 42777@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 22:23:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ihIxqjKQjuD/fJlLevoSSadM/O7Q1RLPkOniHHiqX/Q=; b=ZcAzlOsutFYGX0kykm3mIITgsB LbXdkAP2AR/tvKoDsIg2ecdgtBUqKidBHiTuvSyoVigUUqa+GIZzwp7LUST81o4LKDWXV+eW5fVNU S874vqIvuTjCsVmN42ZKnLlsin9CAq5gK0hHPC5QkaAzptn8vBLzXTZ7yDdL+XRTFDE0=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kE1Nn-0001GY-01; Fri, 04 Sep 2020 04:23:22 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Subject: Re: bug#42777: 28.0.50; Obsolete eldoc-message function used in CEDET References: <874kpbetd6.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgc69zaz.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1gs0tw.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0xgs0ay.fsf@gnus.org> <87d038i566.fsf@gmail.com> <87blisrvb1.fsf@gnus.org> <877dtgruku.fsf@gnus.org> <874kokhrbb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wo1dd1p3.fsf@gnus.org> <87zh69pdb8.fsf@gmail.com> <87r1rkti2e.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Herbert's _Early Herbert_ Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 04:23:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora=22's?= message of "Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:46:02 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6y6gu0a.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: João Távora writes: > Also it suffers from the problem of not being LSP :) CEDET is an > Emacs-specific protocol and an Emacs-specific toolkit to develop > language-specific tools that speak that protocol. LSP is an edit [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42777 Cc: 42777@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Also it suffers from the problem of not being LSP :) CEDET is an > Emacs-specific protocol and an Emacs-specific toolkit to develop > language-specific tools that speak that protocol. LSP is an editor > agnostic and language agnostic protocol only. A very clever idea. You > need relatively little effort on both sides to get something really > useful going. And any effort you spend on one side is worth n-fold on > the other side. That is its winning formula. 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