From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 07 12:40:36 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2020 16:40:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57445 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k45Q4-0001c8-1M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:40:36 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:39374) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k45Q2-0001c1-Vm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:40:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40038) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k45Q2-000417-OL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:40:34 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:34176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k45Q0-0003GI-Dz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 12:40:34 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 077GcIXb193824 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:40:26 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=BqHeuk3OeCxzToKWrmUPOqUp/lGyTUYFmKfih3msmwc=; b=COgj3l7bflCcQHkEIh9nrzzPnrJ94BLTaM359fJQeSksudJ6XmQo9Nd8CoPrNPkwXYuQ B2lwzIzr2RqsMnaQUyGD4waSBzu8lhRi2x2o7xp5zGbfZytBAgB/4dqBdqqOX2xhxdfO viFruwa+x4n9eU/wCd0NLfNZlMuXrYVjlC15nbc+m96ZMQHFLv6PAUfderQGDkvmTx2v 8HrZdP3fV5f87/9LTvjeX7TsB99qsr5g5DTo6YWi0ZwoUyGoIuuRN2hE6BoV0GG60CNj 3QMwdJvGjLfc4LkDDTiVxlcwohRKcLhroaJ2jepA6P5iRq6Yc9w+iCvJbS6jkiosHG3S 2Q== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32r6ep9jfw-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 16:40:26 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 077GdFTK015923 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:40:25 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 32qy8qyppk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 16:40:25 +0000 Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 077GeOrM018802 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:40:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7288bc6b-3b02-4c49-9352-0f5da3a933b0@default> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Should `move-(beginning|end)-of-line' be in the Elisp manual? X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5017.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9706 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008070116 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9706 signatures=668679 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2006250000 definitions=main-2008070116 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=141.146.126.78; envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/07 12:40:29 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -63 X-Spam_score: -6.4 X-Spam_bar: ------ X-Spam_report: (-6.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) (elisp) `Text Lines' documents `(beginning|end)-of-line'. It doesn't document `move-(beginning|end)-of-line'. The Emacs manual documents the latter and not the former. Is this the best approach, or did the Elisp manual perhaps just not get updated when `C-a' and `C-e' were changed to use the `move-*' commands? In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 08 04:26:06 2020 Received: (at 42748-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2020 08:26:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4KB4-0007iu-75 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:26:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37070) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4KB2-0007iQ-O2 for 42748-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:26:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43870) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k4KAx-00042s-1a; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:25:59 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2796 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k4KAv-0005a3-TA; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 04:25:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 11:25:53 +0300 Message-Id: <837du97dda.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: <7288bc6b-3b02-4c49-9352-0f5da3a933b0@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#42748: 26.3; Should `move-(beginning|end)-of-line' be in the Elisp manual? References: <7288bc6b-3b02-4c49-9352-0f5da3a933b0@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42748-done Cc: 42748-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > (elisp) `Text Lines' documents `(beginning|end)-of-line'. It doesn't > document `move-(beginning|end)-of-line'. The Emacs manual documents > the latter and not the former. Is this the best approach, or did the > Elisp manual perhaps just not get updated when `C-a' and `C-e' were > changed to use the `move-*' commands? It looks like Lisp programs use beginning-of-line and end-of-line overwhelmingly more than the move-* counterparts, so it seems like the discrepancy is actually justified. So I'm closing this bug report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 08 21:59:52 2020 Received: (at 42748) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2020 01:59:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4acq-0005Oz-01 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:59:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35566) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k4aco-0005Ol-M0 for 42748@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:59:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k4acj-0007fU-9J; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:59:45 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k4ach-0006Sf-7L; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:59:43 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <837du97dda.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 08 Aug 2020 11:25:53 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#42748: 26.3; Should `move-(beginning|end)-of-line' be in the Elisp manual? References: <7288bc6b-3b02-4c49-9352-0f5da3a933b0@default> <837du97dda.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 21:59:43 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42748 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, 42748@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > (elisp) `Text Lines' documents `(beginning|end)-of-line'. It doesn't > > document `move-(beginning|end)-of-line'. The Emacs manual documents > > the latter and not the former. Is this the best approach, or did the > > Elisp manual perhaps just not get updated when `C-a' and `C-e' were > > changed to use the `move-*' commands? The difference between the keyboard commands and the basic functions is intentional. THe basic functions are useful in Lisp programs; the move- commands are on C-a and C-e but are not worth documenting for Lisp programs to call. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Aug 15 18:05:09 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator