From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 01 12:26:32 2020 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2020 16:26:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53687 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfZA-0006C2-EO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:26:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53946) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfZ8-0006Bp-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:26:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44864) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfZ7-000322-Hs for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:26:29 -0400 Received: from smtp-outgoing.laposte.net ([160.92.124.97]:51979) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfZ4-00011W-7V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:26:29 -0400 Received: from outgoing-mail.laposte.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpnf0120.laposte.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 49xmgl2TKVz10MQT for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:21:23 +0200 (CEST) X-mail-filterd: 1.0.0 X-mail-filterd: 1.0.0 X-lpn-mailing: LEGIT X-lpn-spamrating: 40 X-lpn-spamlevel: not-spam X-lpn-spamcause: OK, (0)(0000)gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrtddvgddutddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecunfetrffquffvgfdpqfgfvfdpggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefhvffufffkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepmfgvvhhinhcugghighhouhhrohhugicuoehkvgdrvhhighhouhhrohhugieslhgrphhoshhtvgdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnheptdffteeukeektedtuedtgfetjeduhfekffdvgeehjeehvdeihfduuefgteeitddunecukfhppedvrddufedriedurdejieenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegslhhuvghmrghnpdhinhgvthepvddrudefrdeiuddrjeeipdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepkhgvrdhvihhgohhurhhouhigsehlrghpohhsthgvrdhnvghtpdhrtghpthhtohepsghughdqghhnuhdqvghmrggtshesghhnuhdrohhrgh Received: from blueman (arennes-257-1-174-76.w2-13.abo.wanadoo.fr [2.13.61.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mlpnf0120.laposte.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTPSA id 49xmgl16rkz10MQS for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:21:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Kevin Vigouroux To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:21:22 +0200 Message-ID: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=lpn-wlmd; t=1593620775; bh=tQKv/87jPfFI3lc0VghK4v5ZHS1x5oX8uKA5zG2Zh2Q=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jc2qFr12bUCdLqYa57LvLDRbEBo67OQoVDUXFzFmwWZZ3Uu0KRmLd7lFr5q3goAk7ZvwV5mFQFcqdGfbABoZyLAIgIym/SvJZYykKj2JmL34srWESJaFEdVfc8UAyHYonvS/p163MixjvA3wwrWjEhxhz8nJHMQ6aMHzi5uBdoWXCDQVqKv8D0MmZ8pGHbfBXi7AWGv/280YOH34Tjz+0DqKjefsuOCstHivte5kmmYgqNIyB2o9BncXaIZLl8MjI9z+CiGob2DYzMyR7/fpFbZK/FMT0CmPYjFwiGzO80xTAFP5cXlp3aJosEMJ+FVVwFLX2pxKPmPGcJrcJSMLNA==; Received-SPF: pass client-ip=160.92.124.97; envelope-from=ke.vigouroux@laposte.net; helo=smtp-outgoing.laposte.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/01 12:26:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Unfortunately, I do not know the English very well. What does the following wording mean? "If this is above, the **frame's window-system window** is displayed above all other window-system windows that do not have the above property set." Reference: Elisp manual, 29.4.3.2 Position Parameters, c.f. "z-group". Best regards, Kevin Vigouroux From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 01 12:50:03 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2020 16:50:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfvu-0006lP-Lz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:50:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfvr-0006kt-Q6 for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:50:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfvk-0004ym-VP; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:49:53 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3103 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jqfvj-0004Nq-Di; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 12:49:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 19:49:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83lfk3xjrp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Kevin Vigouroux In-Reply-To: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:21:22 +0200 > From: Kevin Vigouroux via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > Unfortunately, I do not know the English very well. What does the > following wording mean? > > "If this is above, the **frame's window-system window** is displayed above > all other window-system windows that do not have the above property > set." Is the below more clear? If this is above, the window-system's window that corresponds to the frame is displayed above all other window-system's windows that do not have the above property set. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 01 23:47:22 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2020 03:47:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqqC2-0007NB-Iw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqqC0-0007Mx-AA for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:21 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53398) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jqqBu-0003Ya-Fm; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:14 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jqqBt-00018E-EC; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:13 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Kevin Vigouroux In-Reply-To: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:13 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > "If this is above, the **frame's window-system window** is displayed above One thing I notice is that this uses passive voice. That tends to be harder to read; also, it leaves the subject unstated, and that vagueness can hurt. (I don't know what that doc string text means.) -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 08:15:39 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2020 12:15:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54507 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqy7g-0005T5-2M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:15:39 -0400 Received: from smtp-outgoing.laposte.net ([160.92.124.108]:45030) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqy7d-0005So-Bd for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 08:15:22 -0400 Received: from outgoing-mail.laposte.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpnf0115.laposte.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 49yH9B4VGhzKm49; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 14:15:10 +0200 (CEST) X-mail-filterd: 1.0.0 X-mail-filterd: 1.0.0 X-lpn-mailing: LEGIT X-lpn-spamrating: 36 X-lpn-spamlevel: not-spam X-lpn-spamcause: OK, (-100)(0000)gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrtdeggdeggecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfntefrqffuvffgpdfqfgfvpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufhffjgfkfgggtgfgsehtqhertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefmvghvihhnucggihhgohhurhhouhiguceokhgvrdhvihhgohhurhhouhigsehlrghpohhsthgvrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeekteejteffgeevgeegueegkeefgeekfeegtddtvefhffejgeefkefgfefgkeeltdenucfkphepvddrudefrdeiuddrjeeinecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghlohepsghluhgvmhgrnhdpihhnvghtpedvrddufedriedurdejiedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehkvgdrvhhighhouhhrohhugieslhgrphhoshhtvgdrnhgvthdprhgtphhtthhopeegvdduheegseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhg Received: from blueman (arennes-257-1-174-76.w2-13.abo.wanadoo.fr [2.13.61.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mlpnf0115.laposte.net (SMTP Server) with ESMTPSA id 49yH9B1MlHzKm44; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 14:15:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Kevin Vigouroux To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> <83lfk3xjrp.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:15:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83lfk3xjrp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 01 Jul 2020 19:49:46 +0300") Message-ID: <87pn9eyuya.fsf@laposte.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=lpn-wlmd; t=1593692115; bh=/knIT7M8blti201736664aWzC0/k5WoMxYGPjHGC+Ms=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ep+765ZzsKlekYUPagzomtihYq52kr3nWUW2odWTh0VLH023TFDSOePD4SqvItBqveAYQ5NWz04JHQA4id73hOe+1yWBscK8tJFLqfySCOg2qbF0QScSZQAMPNzJKLOBCPsXuBOtrjHvBnmT7vx8RI8whC5vRExxwruLBHwTWYTI1IArFTQedjZ3DUf9hpTg2fG+LbUCX5oySLNRplRQxICG/jRupmuv291fICvzagvEj7jRYEDZex/LnruWt3E00s6jDxCUm3fTtVxEdpLc3OkMNoTd1w7eaUQo6XITwFjaEKlyEj1Vr21qtcx6OaEfG9QvUmqna9S04Ln0zo829Q==; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yes, it is more clear. Can we replace the expression "window-system's window" by "graphical application" if appropriate? The former expression is a bit of jargon. See the following rewording. On a graphical terminal we distinguish two types of frames. A normal "top-level frame" is a usual graphical application; this Emacs frame may be directly managed by the window system. A child frame is a kind of special frame that depends on another frame and is handled by Emacs. [Elisp manual, chapter 19. Frames] On a graphical terminal we distinguish two types of frames: A normal =E2=80=9Ctop-level frame=E2=80=9D is a frame whose window-system window is = a child of the window-system=E2=80=99s root window for that terminal. A child frame i= s a frame whose window-system window is the child of the window-system window of another Emacs frame. *Note Child Frames*. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 09:03:34 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2020 13:03:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54572 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqysI-0006dR-Fj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:03:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqysF-0006dD-II for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:03:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60292) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jqys9-0001FV-SC; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:03:25 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2653 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jqys2-0008Tr-Q5; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:03:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:03:17 +0300 Message-Id: <83blkyxe5m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:13 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: ke.vigouroux@laposte.net, 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:13 -0400 > Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org > > One thing I notice is that this uses passive voice. > That tends to be harder to read; also, it leaves the > subject unstated, and that vagueness can hurt. Is the below better? If this is 'above', the window-system displays the window that corresponds to the frame above all other window-system's windows that do not have the 'above' property set. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 02 09:30:26 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2020 13:30:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54591 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqzII-0007GO-JQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:30:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50456) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jqzIF-0007G3-Bm for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:30:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jqzI9-00017o-Fz; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:30:17 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4545 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jqzI7-0008Eh-DR; Thu, 02 Jul 2020 09:30:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:30:14 +0300 Message-Id: <83366axcwp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Kevin Vigouroux In-Reply-To: <87pn9eyuya.fsf@laposte.net> (message from Kevin Vigouroux on Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:15:09 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> <83lfk3xjrp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn9eyuya.fsf@laposte.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Kevin Vigouroux > Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:15:09 +0200 > > Yes, it is more clear. Thanks, I will install it shortly. > Can we replace the expression "window-system's window" by "graphical > application" if appropriate? AFAIU, that's inaccurate. The intent here is that the Emacs frame is "wrapped" by what is known in the GUI world as "window"; and the window-system is X Window System or any equivalent windowing environment. (We explain what is a "window-system" elsewhere in the manual.) If you can suggest some wording that is more clear, but doesn't lose the important point, please do. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 04 03:21:54 2020 Received: (at 42154-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2020 07:21:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57981 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jrcUj-0000IC-Um for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 03:21:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jrcUg-0000Hx-HO for 42154-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 03:21:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jrcUb-0003qp-11; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 03:21:45 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4149 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jrcUT-0005ky-VW; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 03:21:38 -0400 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 10:21:39 +0300 Message-Id: <83lfjzvj7g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: ke.vigouroux@laposte.net In-Reply-To: <83blkyxe5m.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:03:17 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> <83blkyxe5m.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154-done Cc: 42154-done@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:03:17 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: ke.vigouroux@laposte.net, 42154@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: Richard Stallman > > Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 23:47:13 -0400 > > Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > One thing I notice is that this uses passive voice. > > That tends to be harder to read; also, it leaves the > > subject unstated, and that vagueness can hurt. > > Is the below better? > > If this is 'above', the window-system displays the window that > corresponds to the frame above all other window-system's windows > that do not have the 'above' property set. I installed that rewording, and I'm marking this bug done. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 04 22:35:28 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2020 02:35:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59906 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jruV6-00081T-K3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jruV4-00081H-P5 for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57022) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jruUz-0004ic-92; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:21 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jruUy-0001eq-3i; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:20 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83lfjzvj7g.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 10:21:39 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> <83blkyxe5m.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfjzvj7g.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:20 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: ke.vigouroux@laposte.net, eliz@gnu.org, 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Is the below better? > > > > If this is 'above', the window-system displays the window that > > corresponds to the frame above all other window-system's windows > > that do not have the 'above' property set. It is better, but still ambiguous in the window that > > corresponds to the frame above all other window-system's windows the frame above? displays the window above? Also, what does "above" mean here? y axis? z axis? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 05 10:33:21 2020 Received: (at 42154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2020 14:33:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1js5hp-0004V8-M1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2020 10:33:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46306) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1js5hl-0004Us-1x for 42154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2020 10:33:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33433) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1js5hf-0006IK-G5; Sun, 05 Jul 2020 10:33:11 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1651 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1js5hR-0007yj-BC; Sun, 05 Jul 2020 10:32:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:33:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83fta6t4kh.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:20 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#42154: 26.3; [DOC] This wording is too complex: frame's window-system window. References: <878sg3w6il.fsf@laposte.net> <83blkyxe5m.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfjzvj7g.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 42154 Cc: ke.vigouroux@laposte.net, 42154@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: 42154@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, ke.vigouroux@laposte.net > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:35:20 -0400 > > > > Is the below better? > > > > > > If this is 'above', the window-system displays the window that > > > corresponds to the frame above all other window-system's windows > > > that do not have the 'above' property set. > > It is better, but still ambiguous in > > the window that > > > corresponds to the frame above all other window-system's windows > > the frame above? > displays the window above? Concrete suggestions and patches are welcome. > Also, what does "above" mean here? y axis? z axis? This is explained in the preceding paragraph: ‘z-group’ This parameter specifies a relative position of the frame’s window-system window in the stacking (Z-) order of the frame’s display. From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:17:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator