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28.0.50; pure vs side-effect-free, missing optimizations?

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Message #146 received at 42147 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Pip Cet <pipcet <at> gmail.com>
Cc: mattiase <at> acm.org, monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, andrea_corallo <at> yahoo.it,
 42147 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42147: 28.0.50; pure vs side-effect-free, missing
 optimizations?
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 01:28:46 -0700

On 7/4/20 7:38 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>   . which other projects use this non-standard instruction set?

Wait a minute, SSE2 is not "non-standard". It was introduced in 2000 as part of
the evolving Intel/AMD x86 instruction set, and is supported by pretty much
every x86-compatible chip that first shipped after 2003-or-so and that is a
plausible candidate for Emacs.  (Stefan's old laptop uses a circa-2001 chip.)

To get back to your question, many software projects already require SSE2 on
x86. This includes Chromium since build 35 (2014), Firefox since Firefox 53
(2017), and WebKit2GTK since version 2.24.0 (2019). Since Emacs links to
WebKit2GTK by default, recent Emacs by default already requires SSE2 on x86.
Similarly, many Gnome applications require SSE2 on x86, as they also link to
WebKit2GTK.

Among proprietary systems, Mac OS X on x86 (2006-2011) always required SSE2, and
MS-Windows development platforms have been requiring SSE2 by default since 2012,
which means pretty much every application built for 32-bit MS-Windows requires
SSE2 nowadays. Also, all supported MS-Windows operating systems have required
SSE2 since 2018, which is when Microsoft pushed out an update for MS-Windows 7
that required SSE2.

So it would not at all be outlandish for Emacs to default to requiring SSE2 on
GNU/Linux x86 (particularly since it does so already :-).

>   . why didn't GCC folks made SSE2 the default output?

I suspect they think x86 is on its way out and not worth worrying about. Which
is a valid point of view. After all, Microsoft dropped distributing 32-bit
builds for MS-Windows starting with the May 2020 update, and they're pretty
conservative about this sort of thing.

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