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26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)

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From: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 18:52:55 +0900 (JST)

OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3), emacs should use that.
A diff is attached.

Currently emacs uses an old way which actually causes a problem.  I am
using gnupg through Mew(*1) which run on emacs, Mew seems to create a
process without a pty regardless it specifies "process-connection-type
pty" properly.  The pty is required to pass the passphrase.

*1) http://mew.org/


--- configure.ac.orig	Fri Jun 26 18:33:33 2020
+++ configure.ac	Thu Aug 22 07:25:23 2019
@@ -4620,11 +4620,11 @@ case $opsys in
     AC_DEFINE(PTY_TTY_NAME_SPRINTF, [])
     ;;
 
-  gnu | qnxnto )
+  gnu | openbsd | qnxnto )
     AC_DEFINE(FIRST_PTY_LETTER, ['p'])
     ;;
 
-  gnu-linux | gnu-kfreebsd | dragonfly | freebsd | openbsd | netbsd | darwin | nacl )
+  gnu-linux | gnu-kfreebsd | dragonfly | freebsd | netbsd | darwin | nacl )
     dnl if HAVE_GRANTPT
     if test "x$ac_cv_func_grantpt" = xyes; then
       AC_DEFINE(UNIX98_PTYS, 1, [Define if the system has Unix98 PTYs.])


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Message #8 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
To: 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 12:56:42 +0900 (JST)

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 18:52:55 +0900 (JST)
YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net> wrote:
> OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3), emacs should use that.
> A diff is attached.
> 
> Currently emacs uses an old way which actually causes a problem.  I am
> using gnupg through Mew(*1) which run on emacs, Mew seems to create a
> process without a pty regardless it specifies "process-connection-type
> pty" properly.  The pty is required to pass the passphrase.
> 
> *1) http://mew.org/

The patch I sent previously was reversed.  Let me update it.

--- configure.ac.orig	Thu Aug 22 07:25:23 2019
+++ configure.ac	Fri Jun 26 18:33:33 2020
@@ -4620,11 +4620,11 @@ case $opsys in
     AC_DEFINE(PTY_TTY_NAME_SPRINTF, [])
     ;;
 
-  gnu | openbsd | qnxnto )
+  gnu | qnxnto )
     AC_DEFINE(FIRST_PTY_LETTER, ['p'])
     ;;
 
-  gnu-linux | gnu-kfreebsd | dragonfly | freebsd | netbsd | darwin | nacl )
+  gnu-linux | gnu-kfreebsd | dragonfly | freebsd | openbsd | netbsd | darwin | nacl )
     dnl if HAVE_GRANTPT
     if test "x$ac_cv_func_grantpt" = xyes; then
       AC_DEFINE(UNIX98_PTYS, 1, [Define if the system has Unix98 PTYs.])

Message #11 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase <at> acm.org>
To: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
Cc: 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 13:52:21 +0200

Thanks for the patch! I'd be happy to apply it, but first: can you confirm that older OpenBSD versions are still able to build Emacs with that patch applied, or argue that this is a lesser problem?

Message #14 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
To: mattiase <at> acm.org
Cc: 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 22:49:29 +0900 (JST)

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 13:52:21 +0200
Mattias Engdegård <mattiase <at> acm.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the patch! I'd be happy to apply it, but first: can you
> confirm that older OpenBSD versions are still able to build Emacs with
> that patch applied, or argue that this is a lesser problem?

Although old versions might become not able to build Emacs with the
patch, I suggest Emacs should have the patch.

Firstly the versions are too old.  posix_openpt(3) had been introduced
to OpenBSD at OpenBSD 5.3, it was 7 years ago and 14 versions before
the latest.  It was 6 years ago when the last version which doesn't
have posix_openpt(3) became out of support.

Secondly the old way the old versions is using has another problem. It
caused an error when emacs opens some ptys.  To solve this problem, in
any case, people need to use newer OpenBSD and newer Emacs.

Thanks,

Message #17 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase <at> acm.org>
To: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 16:24:55 +0200

30 juni 2020 kl. 15.49 skrev YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>:

> Although old versions might become not able to build Emacs with the
> patch, I suggest Emacs should have the patch.
> 
> Firstly the versions are too old.  posix_openpt(3) had been introduced
> to OpenBSD at OpenBSD 5.3, it was 7 years ago and 14 versions before
> the latest.  It was 6 years ago when the last version which doesn't
> have posix_openpt(3) became out of support.
> 
> Secondly the old way the old versions is using has another problem. It
> caused an error when emacs opens some ptys.  To solve this problem, in
> any case, people need to use newer OpenBSD and newer Emacs.

Thank you for the detailed explanation, and I think applying your patch will be all right -- 7 years is a long time in the security-conscious OpenBSD world. It would probably need an update to the NEWS file, though.

Eli, do you have any objection to the patch by Yasuoka-san, assuming that it limits the OpenBSD support to version 5.3 or newer?
Presumably the patch would be for Emacs 28, unless there are strong security/reliability reasons for Emacs 27.

Message #20 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
Cc: mattiase <at> acm.org, 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 17:32:01 +0300

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 22:49:29 +0900 (JST)
> From: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>
> Cc: 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 13:52:21 +0200
> Mattias Engdegård <mattiase <at> acm.org> wrote:
> > Thanks for the patch! I'd be happy to apply it, but first: can you
> > confirm that older OpenBSD versions are still able to build Emacs with
> > that patch applied, or argue that this is a lesser problem?
> 
> Although old versions might become not able to build Emacs with the
> patch, I suggest Emacs should have the patch.
> 
> Firstly the versions are too old.  posix_openpt(3) had been introduced
> to OpenBSD at OpenBSD 5.3, it was 7 years ago and 14 versions before
> the latest.  It was 6 years ago when the last version which doesn't
> have posix_openpt(3) became out of support.

Would it be possible to contact the OpenBSD developers and/or the
persons who prepare the Emacs distros for OpenBSD, and ask for their
opinion about this?  I mean, I wouldn't want to drop support for some
versions of an OS without at least consulting the relevant developers.

Thanks.

Message #23 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase <at> acm.org>
Cc: yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net, 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 18:36:59 +0300

> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase <at> acm.org>
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 16:24:55 +0200
> Cc: 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> 
> Thank you for the detailed explanation, and I think applying your patch will be all right -- 7 years is a long time in the security-conscious OpenBSD world. It would probably need an update to the NEWS file, though.
> 
> Eli, do you have any objection to the patch by Yasuoka-san, assuming that it limits the OpenBSD support to version 5.3 or newer?
> Presumably the patch would be for Emacs 28, unless there are strong security/reliability reasons for Emacs 27.

As I wrote, I'd prefer to hear the opinions of OpenBSD maintainers, if
possible.  I don't feel we know enough about that OS to make such
decisions on our own.

Alternatively, adding a compatibility feature whereby it would be
possible to build Emacs on OpenBSD without this change, would allow us
to go ahead even without asking the OpenBSD folks.

IOW, I don't want to drop support of old OpenBSD versions so easily.

Thanks.

Message #26 received at 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jeremie Courreges-Anglas <jca <at> wxcvbn.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: mattiase <at> acm.org, YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>,
 42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:23:12 +0200

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Hi,

jca <at> OpenBSD.org here, I'm the maintainer of the GNU Emacs port in the
OpenBSD ports tree[0].

I can confirm what Yasuoka-san wrote, the OpenBSD project only provides
some kind of support for the two latest OpenBSD releases[1].  We highly
discourage the use of old OpenBSD releases.

As the maintainer of the Emacs port, OpenBSD 5.3 and older releases are
completely out of scope.  I mostly care about our development branch, if
security fixes in Emacs need to be adressed in our stable releases,
I would probably handle them as patches backported from newer Emacs
versions, not as updates to newer Emacs versions.

So as far as I am concerned the proposed change can land in any upcoming
Emacs release, the sooner the better.  Since Yasuoka-san is also an
OpenBSD developer he has already pushed this change in our Emacs port[2]
with my approval.  Many thanks to him!


[0] https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/ports/editors/emacs/Makefile?rev=1.94&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
[1] https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Flavors
[2] https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/editors/emacs/patches/patch-configure.diff?r1=1.17&r2=1.18&f=h
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Message #31 received at 42059-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jeremie Courreges-Anglas <jca <at> wxcvbn.org>
Cc: mattiase <at> acm.org, yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net, 42059-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42059: 26.3; OpenBSD now has posix_openpt(3)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:24:22 +0300

> From: Jeremie Courreges-Anglas <jca <at> wxcvbn.org>
> Cc: YASUOKA Masahiko <yasuoka <at> yasuoka.net>, mattiase <at> acm.org,
>         42059 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:23:12 +0200
> 
> As the maintainer of the Emacs port, OpenBSD 5.3 and older releases are
> completely out of scope.  I mostly care about our development branch, if
> security fixes in Emacs need to be adressed in our stable releases,
> I would probably handle them as patches backported from newer Emacs
> versions, not as updates to newer Emacs versions.

Thank you very much for taking time to answer our questions.  I've now
installed the patch on the master branch.

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