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Sun, 21 Jun 2020 07:53:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 07:53:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Goh Message-ID: <1016225996.1163221.1592726018504@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1163220_1281962892.1592726018502" References: <1016225996.1163221.1592726018504.ref@mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/83.0.4103.106 Safari/537.36 Edg/83.0.478.54 Content-Length: 1806 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=106.10.240.80; envelope-from=andrewgoh95@yahoo.com.sg; helo=sonic313-21.consmr.mail.sg3.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/21 03:53:43 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: 9 X-Spam_score: 0.9 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:51:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) ------=_Part_1163220_1281962892.1592726018502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi GNU Emacs Team, I wonder if the GNU Emacs Team had thought of replacing the ELisp scripting= language with that from newLisp.=C2=A0 I took a look at newLisp documentat= ion and must say its very easy.=C2=A0 Anyway, I didn't run the newLisp inst= aller as Windows Defender blocked the download from executing. The only pla= ce where I will run newLisp code is "newLisp in a browser." Regards, Andrew Goh S M ------=_Part_1163220_1281962892.1592726018502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi GNU Emacs Team,

I wonder if the GNU Emacs Team had thought of replacing the= ELisp scripting language with that from newLisp.  I took a look at ne= wLisp documentation and must say its very easy.  Anyway, I didn't run = the newLisp installer as Windows Defender blocked the download from executi= ng. The only place where I will run newLisp code is "newLisp in a browser."=

Regards,

Andrew Goh S M

= ------=_Part_1163220_1281962892.1592726018502-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:01:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41985: ELisp References: <1016225996.1163221.1592726018504@mail.yahoo.com> Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41985 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andrew Goh Cc: 41985@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41985-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41985.15927612999119 (code B ref 41985); Sun, 21 Jun 2020 17:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 41985) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2020 17:41:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60869 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jn3yN-0002N0-DB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:41:39 -0400 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:54977 helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jn3yJ-0002Mj-6B for 41985@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 13:41:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 52850 invoked by uid 3782); 21 Jun 2020 17:41:28 -0000 Date: 21 Jun 2020 17:41:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20200621174128.52849.qmail@mail.muc.de> From: Alan Mackenzie Organization: muc.de e.V. In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug User-Agent: tin/2.4.4-20191224 ("Millburn") (FreeBSD/11.3-RELEASE-p9 (amd64)) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) In article you wrote: > Hi GNU Emacs Team, > I wonder if the GNU Emacs Team had thought of replacing the ELisp > scripting language with that from newLisp.? Hardly. > I took a look at newLisp documentation and must say its very easy. But it won't include facilities for manipulating editing things like buffers. It would take a lot of work to replicate these in newLisp. Also, there's around 1.7 million lines of Emacs Lisp code in the Emacs core. That's a lot of code to have to convert. > Anyway, I didn't run the newLisp installer as Windows Defender blocked > the download from executing. The only place where I will run newLisp > code is "newLisp in a browser." Well, there's another reason. You'd likely have less trouble running on GNU/Linux. > Regards, Andrew Goh S M -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). From unknown Sat Aug 16 21:01:20 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41985: ELisp Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41985 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Alan Mackenzie , Andrew Goh Cc: 41985@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41985-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41985.159559853124073 (code B ref 41985); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 41985) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2020 13:48:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jyy4A-0006G8-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:48:51 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f179.google.com ([209.85.219.179]:41540) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jyy48-0006Fm-12 for 41985@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:48:49 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f179.google.com with SMTP id a15so4707294ybs.8 for <41985@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:48:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lBkv6ltd0ctbr1yjQKrpVTF92z9yXPyc2KMuIViwlvA=; b=Fcz2ev3EnRuN1oyrgINtFLFRG4boc6iF+qLarr3kzbX6hNo5CgoCSKqKm07npLBA7Q 0Cx8tFfjxBOQG2psB6Uq1d8qZThoQ0eCe1z4TTIFpTw290mwUBePmmcZ6JZr9hbwC3eD DVrqhDEQapfBMrpchGnpgXgYZxpCc7UngLu2eIdfTK4OmgjenFAxm3DMR1exZeZAt7En WqIJGMg2cFtKft+uqQ6hUMyWzAKnwReH3/zSxLnX+Zs6YS+lTZaHMMCKnPHI5eYOhval tQdRndB92HnWCMEF7JH9zZBSxg8igSM2uRneXDrimYOH5MZa7Cwsiilqwllv/DXOJRgN 92jA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lBkv6ltd0ctbr1yjQKrpVTF92z9yXPyc2KMuIViwlvA=; b=Xf9Ymhq6v3FtYGubb+3KcIZmqJYnMQ8liAaPYqzbmGk67u8kauRxy8y47Rz5VOsZCp WkcIbQyDk2BF0aKuo7m/YwpmO4iRP+i8ItAFK30zidsteu4KvvYyaNWlOHdEB+zlAMWn ak1Nz+FipH8rbtAc9bHv4zQwdL7YquCmC8JjxFsufJXKZjoszk+Tj9BEVc6xa89+Wya+ MYEDMZ1MUUbFSP5OVyK9+iMdBfiNQun1ZALqmxVM0qr73gdZ2ZDoukuTZaX3XLksxl0x GdE8/O7LenZXXc19TDCVyTXIYG+GuHrFKYOnWD7g6rdGXGM7+f85UvpMRZsds/8SfMmh iGdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531i2OUbLo2GxfXoDLfHMxMTrTH3xKCqG3RR4SrJHcRaukFYsRPp KttkgQOZymzV/XCcSVCdWSlTNk6+iP9wNdYztek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyY/QEPl+k6xq6qDDctMxu+5YZO1edOS2VkN/7dCvYcCfxWhPFbtcBxqgKegVg0hkJQOLndOa5wpDY+9KoZWiU= X-Received: by 2002:a25:ab0e:: with SMTP id u14mr15323298ybi.181.1595598522275; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:48:41 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <20200621174128.52849.qmail@mail.muc.de> References: <1016225996.1163221.1592726018504@mail.yahoo.com> <20200621174128.52849.qmail@mail.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:48:41 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 41985 + notabug wontfix close 41985 thanks Alan Mackenzie writes: > In article you wrote: >> Hi GNU Emacs Team, > >> I wonder if the GNU Emacs Team had thought of replacing the ELisp >> scripting language with that from newLisp.? > > Hardly. > >> I took a look at newLisp documentation and must say its very easy. > > But it won't include facilities for manipulating editing things like > buffers. It would take a lot of work to replicate these in newLisp. > > Also, there's around 1.7 million lines of Emacs Lisp code in the Emacs > core. That's a lot of code to have to convert. It is very unlikely that we will rewrite Emacs in newLisp. I'm therefore closing this bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas