From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:05:47 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.125058975314491 (code B ref -1); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:05:47 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Aug 2009 10:02:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7IA2VqL014488 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:32 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52174 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWQ-0006wP-N9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWP-0000kE-18 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:30 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.74]:48428 helo=homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWO-0000j8-Kw for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:28 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-8-124.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.8.124]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD55154F0; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:02:19 +0800 Message-ID: <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) All I know is this doesn't beep/flash when it hits the beginning of the buffer: runs the command scroll-down-nomark, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `pc-select.el'. Same for . However C-p and C-n still beep properly. You may ask "why am I using pc-select.el". I don't know. It must be due to http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5) of 2009-08-15 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20090814-1) From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: bug#4190 closed by Dan Nicolaescu (Re: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep) Message-ID: References: <200908202036.n7KKa06C011983@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:45:07 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1250801107-18880-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1250801107-18880-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep It has been closed by Dan Nicolaescu . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Dan Nicolaescu by replying to this email. --=20 4190: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D4190 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1250801107-18880-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 4190-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Aug 2009 20:36:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (barrelv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.114]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7KKamYf017336 for <4190-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:36:49 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7KKa1jb025517; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n7KKa06C011983; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200908202036.n7KKa06C011983@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 4190-done@debbugs.gnu.org, rfrancoise@debian.org Subject: Re: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep References: <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes In-Reply-To: <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:02:19 +0800") Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n7KKa1jb025517 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > All I know is this doesn't beep/flash when it hits the beginning of the buffer: > runs the command scroll-down-nomark, which is an interactive > compiled Lisp function in `pc-select.el'. > > Same for . Not a bug, pc-select.el tries to: ;;; pc-select.el --- emulate mark, cut, copy and paste from Motif ;;; (or MAC GUI or MS-windoze (bah)) look-and-feel ;;; including key bindings. not beeping is the behavior of prior and next on those platforms. > However C-p and C-n still beep properly. > > You may ask "why am I using pc-select.el". I don't know. It must be due > to http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs > > In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5) > of 2009-08-15 on elegiac, modified by Debian > (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20090814-1) ------------=_1250801107-18880-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Aug 2009 10:02:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7IA2VqL014488 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:32 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52174 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWQ-0006wP-N9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWP-0000kE-18 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:30 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.74]:48428 helo=homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWO-0000j8-Kw for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:28 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-8-124.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.8.124]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD55154F0; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org Subject: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:02:19 +0800 Message-ID: <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) All I know is this doesn't beep/flash when it hits the beginning of the buffer: runs the command scroll-down-nomark, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `pc-select.el'. Same for . However C-p and C-n still beep properly. You may ask "why am I using pc-select.el". I don't know. It must be due to http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5) of 2009-08-15 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20090814-1) ------------=_1250801107-18880-1-- From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:10:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4190-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4190.125085254310843 (code B ref 4190); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:10:05 +0000 Received: (at 4190) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Aug 2009 11:02:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7LB2Lg1010840; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:02:22 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-7-172.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.7.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0138815444; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 04:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: dann@ics.uci.edu Cc: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org, control@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200908202036.n7KKa06C011983@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:02:18 +0800 Message-ID: <87y6pdctvp.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii reopen 4190 retitle 4190 allow beeping in pc-select.el DN> not beeping is the behavior of prior and next on those platforms. 1. Then there should be a way to toggle back on the beeping. 2. especially as I am not willingly using pc-select, but instead it has been foisted upon me via a side effect of some command in http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs Indeed it would take hours of debugging to figure out which. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:15:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4190-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4190.125086386213302 (code B ref 4190); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:15:04 +0000 Received: (at 4190) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Aug 2009 14:11:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (barrelv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.114]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7LEB1KG013296; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:11:02 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7LEAhB1029739; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n7LEAhEB019875; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200908211410.n7LEAhEB019875@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200908202036.n7KKa06C011983@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87y6pdctvp.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87y6pdctvp.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:02:18 +0800") Lines: 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n7LEAhB1029739 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu notabug 4190 thanks > DN> not beeping is the behavior of prior and next on those platforms. > 1. Then there should be a way to toggle back on the beeping. That goal of this package is to be compatible with a platform, we cannot arbitrarily just turn off features... > 2. especially as I am not willingly using pc-select, but instead it has been > foisted upon me via a side effect of some command in > http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs > Indeed it would take hours of debugging to figure out which. That does not seem like a good reason to add an extra customization flag in emacs, a flag that would be used by a single user. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:30:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4190-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4190.125086455315244 (code B ref 4190); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:30:04 +0000 Received: (at 4190) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Aug 2009 14:22:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7LEMWC2015241 for <4190@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:22:33 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-7-172.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.7.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a14.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F0518C05F; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:22:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: dann@ics.uci.edu Cc: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200908211410.n7LEAhEB019875@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:22:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87skflb61n.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii So please tell me how I can get untangled from pc-select. I do not want to use pc-select. I did not intentionally chose to use pc-select. >> http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:40:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4190-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4190.125087595018357 (code B ref 4190); Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:40:05 +0000 Received: (at 4190) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Aug 2009 17:32:30 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (barrelv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.114]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7LHWSVX018354 for <4190@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:32:29 -0700 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by barrelv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7LHWCXD027995; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n7LHWCtZ021381; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200908211732.n7LHWCtZ021381@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org References: <200908211410.n7LEAhEB019875@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87skflb61n.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: <87skflb61n.fsf@jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:22:28 +0800") Lines: 28 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n7LHWCXD027995 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > So please tell me how I can get untangled from pc-select. > I do not want to use pc-select. > I did not intentionally chose to use pc-select. Try to figure out what uses it. You can do that by doing a binary search in your .emacs: comment out half of it, see if you still get pc-select, continue the process until you get the place that requires it. Or you can add (error "pc-select here") on the first line of pc-select.el, byte compile the file and run emacs -Q M-: (setq debug-on-error t) RET M-x load-file RET ~/.emacs RET and look at the debug backtrace and figure out exactly what wants to use pc-select. > >> http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: Juri Linkov , 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:40:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4190-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4190.125090100927679 (code B ref 4190); Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:40:06 +0000 Received: (at 4190) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Aug 2009 00:30:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mx2.starman.ee (smtp-out2.starman.ee [85.253.0.4]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7M0U8f8027665 for <4190@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:30:09 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx2.starman.ee Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.30.155.cable.starman.ee [82.131.30.155]) by mx2.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA29A3F4131; Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:30:01 +0300 (EEST) From: Juri Linkov To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Organization: JURTA References: <200908202036.n7KKa06C011983@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87y6pdctvp.fsf@jidanni.org> <200908211410.n7LEAhEB019875@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:29:51 +0300 In-Reply-To: <200908211410.n7LEAhEB019875@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87zl9selmo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > DN> not beeping is the behavior of prior and next on those platforms. > > 1. Then there should be a way to toggle back on the beeping. > > That does not seem like a good reason to add an extra customization flag > in emacs, a flag that would be used by a single user. There is such a customizable option already: (defcustom pc-select-override-scroll-error t "*Non-nil means don't generate error on scrolling past edge of buffer. This variable applies in PC Selection mode only. The scroll commands normally generate an error if you try to scroll past the top or bottom of the buffer. This is annoying when selecting text with these commands. If you set this variable to non-nil, these errors are suppressed." :type 'boolean :group 'pc-select) -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/ From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Reply-To: jidanni@jidanni.org, 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:55:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4190-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4190.125090210930989 (code B ref 4190); Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:55:05 +0000 Received: (at 4190) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Aug 2009 00:48:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7M0mSxc030986 for <4190@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:48:29 -0700 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-4-117.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.4.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE63C41806; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: juri@jurta.org Cc: dann@ics.uci.edu, 4190@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87zl9selmo.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:48:25 +0800 Message-ID: <87ocq87jxi.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "JL" == Juri Linkov writes: JL> There is such a customizable option already: JL> (defcustom pc-select-override-scroll-error t Phew... thank you for telling me this just in time before I embarked on the debugging adventure recommended. The docstrings of and of pc-select.el should make a note of this variable, as should any others that might bang into the beginning and end of the buffer too. By the way, the simple.el commands beginning-of-buffer end-of-buffer don't beep when already at the beginning and ends of the buffer too! They should, just like C-p and C-n, C-f etc. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:14:04 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: jidanni@jidanni.org Subject: bug#4190 closed by Chong Yidong (Re: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep) Message-ID: References: <87iqfpq9wn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 4190 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 4190@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:40:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1252716004-649-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1252716004-649-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #4190: allow beeping in pc-select.el It has been closed by Chong Yidong . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Chong Yidong by replying to this email. --=20 4190: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D4190 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1252716004-649-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 4190-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Sep 2009 00:33:35 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po37.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po37.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.95]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8C0XXP4032213 for <4190-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:33:35 -0700 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014244.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po37.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n8C0XSdv019818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:33:28 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A8B0CC070; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:33:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, 4190-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4190: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <87iqfpq9wn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) > The docstrings of and of pc-select.el should make a note > of this variable, as should any others that might bang into the > beginning and end of the buffer too. Fixed, thanks. ------------=_1252716004-649-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Aug 2009 10:02:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN0b autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7IA2VqL014488 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:32 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52174 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWQ-0006wP-N9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWP-0000kE-18 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:30 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.74]:48428 helo=homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MdLWO-0000j8-Kw for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:02:28 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-8-124.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.8.124]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD55154F0; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org Subject: 23.1.50; and of pc-select.el don't beep Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:02:19 +0800 Message-ID: <87y6pha190.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) All I know is this doesn't beep/flash when it hits the beginning of the buffer: runs the command scroll-down-nomark, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `pc-select.el'. Same for . However C-p and C-n still beep properly. You may ask "why am I using pc-select.el". I don't know. It must be due to http://jidanni.org/comp/configuration/.emacs In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5) of 2009-08-15 on elegiac, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 1:20090814-1) ------------=_1252716004-649-1--