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Dejagnu's unknown proc aborts testsuite run when triggered in test-case

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From: Jacob Bachmeyer <jcb62281 <at> gmail.com>
To: Pedro Alves <palves <at> redhat.com>
Cc: Tom de Vries <tdevries <at> suse.de>, 41824 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#41824: Dejagnu's unknown proc aborts testsuite run when
 triggered in test-case
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:37:23 -0500

Pedro Alves wrote:
> On 6/25/20 11:39 PM, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote:
>   
>> Pedro Alves wrote:
>>     
>>> On 6/25/20 3:43 AM, Jacob Bachmeyer wrote:
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> Pedro Alves wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>           
>>>> I presume buildbot can be easily configured to pass a '--keep_going' option, perhaps as 'RUNTESTFLAGS=--keep_going' if needed?
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> What's more likely is we'll tweak GDB's Makefile so that make check
>>> enables that option automatically.  If GCC does the same, which I would
>>> encourage them to, since they also run the testsuite against systems
>>> that can take hours/days to complete, then I'll get to wonder who the
>>> default is for.  :-)
>>>   
>>>       
>> The default is for developers working on testsuites -- and for testing release candidates and releases because if your testcases crash in a release, you have problems.  :-)
>>
>> Are you suggesting withdrawing the --keep-going/--no-keep-going options
>>     
>
> Yes, but if you would like to add it, it's OK with me, though then
> you can say that I'm more discussing the default.  But really I'm more
> worried about making sure that the people maintaining the GDB
> testsuite (me included), and the DejaGnu people understand each
> other's needs better.
>   

My position here stems from the need for reliable testing, and part of 
that is that crashes in the testsuite scripts need to be made very 
obvious, where DejaGnu had previously swept them under the proverbial 
rug.  Sure, there would be a message in the log, but that is easily 
missed in a testsuite as large as GDB's and nowhere was a need to grep 
the log for those messages documented.

>> and always generating an UNRESOLVED result, 
>> resuming with the next test script, and possibly storing a list of aborted test scripts somewhere 
>>     
>
> Yes (with --keep-going if you insist on having the option), but note that
> I suggested storing the list of ERRORs and WARNINGs.
>   

Arguably, a crashed test script is a distinct category from the ERRORs 
and WARNINGs that test scripts can report when something does not go as 
expected.  The former is a problem with the testsuite *itself*, while 
the latter indicate problems detected *by* the testsuite.

>>>> Still, needing a new option to get old behavior is changing the environment interface, so I will make --keep_going the default, at least for the rest of 1.6.  That default is likely to change for 1.7.  For automated systems like buildbot, passing '--keep_going' should be perfectly reasonable, which is why the option exists.  (While the documented options will be changed to use hyphens to align with the rest of the GNU system in 1.7, the current option names will continue to be accepted, since the aliases are obvious.)
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Currently with DejaGnu only the case of calling an unknown function stops
>>> the test run AFAIK.  Any other tcl error like calling a proc with the wrong
>>> number of arguments, or treating a non-array variable as an array, etc. is
>>> caught by the catch in the runtest proc in runtest.exp, and the testrun
>>> continues.  That to me clearly indicates that the original intention was
>>> to catch errors and continue.
>>>
>>> That also gives the tool's $(tool)_finish proc a chance to tear down
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> It is just that the "unknown" case wasn't thought of.  So I argue that not
>>> making unknown proc calls abort the run is a bug fix, and making DejaGnu
>>> abort the run for other errors by default is a behavior change that no real
>>> testsuite built around DejaGnu is asking for.
>>>   
>>>       
>> As it was explained to me, it is the other way around -- the catch in runtest was overlooked when ::unknown was added to catch bugs by aborting if an undefined procedure is called.
>>
>> Is there a ${tool}_finish or do you mean ${tool}_exit?  Either way, you make a good point about running cleanup procedures when aborting a test run.
>>     
>
> Look at proc runtest in runtest.exp, it calls ${tool}_init, 
> sources the testcase under catch (using ERROR:, so here you could
> run a tally of such caught errors), and then calls ${tool}_finish.
>   

Well, sure enough, there are ${tool}_init and ${tool}_finish procedures 
called "around" each script if they exist... and no documentation... 
another item added to my local TODO list for improving the manual.

>>>> The entire reason for stopping the testsuite immediately when a Tcl error occurs is that it is undeniable that something is *very* *wrong* when the testsuite stops early.  Software testing is hard enough when you know your testsuite is good, but it is far worse when you have bugs in the testsuite masking bugs in the actual program because a test script is crashing and part of the program that is supposed to be tested is not being exercised.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> I think it's safe to say that we all understand the general principle,
>>> but IMO that applies more to continuing the same testcase (if somehow that
>>> were possible, like "unknown" suppressing the error), rather than continuing
>>> with a different testcase.
>>>
>>> Continuing the testrun when one testcase errors out does not mask any
>>> bug in the program that is supposed to be tested.  Why would it?  The
>>> testcase aborts, it doesn't continue.  The remaining testcases start
>>> afresh.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Consider a hypothetical case where GDB has exec.exp (which tests starting a debugged process) and attach.exp (which tests attaching to a process).  Unknown to the GDB developers, the "attach" command does not work and causes GDB to dump core (oops!) but attach.exp fails with a Tcl error before reaching the point where "attach" is issued to the inferior GDB.  If DejaGnu stops immediately, it is obvious that the testsuite is broken, the bug in the testsuite is fixed, and the bug in GDB is found.  If DejaGnu sweeps the Tcl error under the proverbial rug (as previous versions did), the bug in the testsuite effectively hides the bug in GDB , because the developers think the "attach" command is being exercised, but those tests are being (almost) silently skipped.
>>     
>
> First, that scenario doesn't normally cause a Tcl error.  If GDB trips
> an internal error, the GDB testsuite catches it with a FAIL.  If GDB just dies
> (whether it dumps core or not) the GDB testsuite catches that
> with UNRESOLVED.
>   

In the hypothetical scenario, attach.exp crashes with a Tcl error 
*before* issuing the "attach" command to the GDB-under-test.  Previous 
releases of DejaGnu mention a Tcl error in the log and carry on.  With 
this patch, DejaGnu catches that attach.exp crashed and itself inserts 
an UNRESOLVED result.

I also take this as more support for using the UNRESOLVED status here:  
the test script crashing is little different from GDB exiting unexpectedly.

> Also, even if those weren't already considered, the developer won't think the
> testcase is just passing correctly, because being a good GDB developer,
> he knows he needs to diff the new gdb.sum file against a previous run's, and
> sees that some PASSes are missing, and some ERROR: tcl error showed up
> in their stead.  Nobody should rely on just looking at the summary.
> Everyone _must_ diff between a previous run and the current run.  Now some
> people may use test result diffing scripts that forget to look
> at ERROR: lines in .sum.  Those would be buggy, but then again, if
> those ERRORs were accounted for in the DejaGnu summary, they would be
> harder to miss.
>   

If this is the case, then what is the problem with aborting the test run 
upon error?  "Good GDB developers" will always diff the .sum files, 
notice that the expected new PASS results are not there, and fix their 
code before checking it in, so they will never have a problem with 
DejaGnu aborting upon encountering a Tcl error.  :-)

> And again, people run the GDB testsuite in parallel mode, so your
> assumption that the testsuite would stop immediately anyway doesn't
> hold.  One of the parallel runtest invocations bombs
> out, while the others keep running, so by the time you get
> back the prompt, other testcases already executed, and you don't
> see the ERROR in the current terminal anymore.

This is a fundamental problem with slicing up the testsuite external to 
DejaGnu and running multiple instances of runtest -- output that is 
supposed to be "last at the end of the run" can be hidden away by other 
ongoing subset runs.

>   You'll need to
> look at the testsuite .sum .log files anyway.  Only, you will
> find out that one testcase bombed out, 50000 tests ran, but 1000 others
> didn't run because of that one testcase.  And now you're missing
> those 1000 results, which maybe included those which you were
> actually interested in, because you were doing a builbot try run
> across a number of systems.
>   

This also applies on a smaller scale for which we have no workaround:  
gdb.foo/bar.exp bombs out and the remaining /N/ tests in that file did 
not run.  The only real solution is for the test scripts to avoid 
causing Tcl errors in the first place; anything else is papering over 
the problem with duct tape.

> Now, when running the testsuite against slow embedded boards, then
> you won't normally be using the parallel mode, the board just can't
> support multiple parallel connections.  In that case, you set the
> testsuite running, and go on your merry way for a couple hours or 20.
> When you come back, maybe the next day, you notice that the testsuite
> actually stopped running 30 mins in, because someone changed
> the testsuite upstream just before you rebased in way that caused a
> tcl error for you in some testcase.  Oops.  You just lost a day.

This is more of an annoyance, and yes, I have come back the next day to 
find that a long-running command failed shortly after being started, so 
I know this irritation.

>   Now
> you wish you had remembered to type --keep-going, but it's not
> the default, and nobody ever writes Tcl bugs, so you didn't think
> of it before.
>   

Note that the snapshot of GDB I have been using for testing this patch 
does have such a Tcl bug in its testsuite.  I did not make any 
particular effort to choose this snapshot, it was just the current state 
of GDB master when I started.  I have not even looked at *which* commit 
it is.  Thinking "nobody ever writes Tcl bugs" is what causes these 
problems in the first place.

I would expect that, had DejaGnu always aborted immediately upon 
catching Tcl errors from testsuites, that issue would have been found 
and fixed quickly.

> That's why I think --keep-going should be the default.  When
> you're developing a new testcase, you'll run that testcase in 
> isolation a number of times.  It's very hard to miss any
> silly error then -- there's no need to optimize for this use
> case by default, IMO.
>
>   
>> Now a bug that obvious will be caught very quickly by users (likely the GDB developers themselves) but obscure regressions are for more insidious, especially in large testsuites such as those for GCC or GDB.  If a regression test is being skipped with an easily-missed error, that regression can slip in unnoticed.
>>
>> Would simply turning aborted test scripts into UNRESOLVED results be enough to get them fixed quickly?
>>     
>
> Yes.  (Though I still think a separate count for ERROR (and WARNING)
> would be better.)

I think we need the UNRESOLVED results for at least a credible 
best-effort at claiming POSIX compliance, but additionally tracking how 
many UNRESOLVED results are due to script crashes would not be difficult.


-- Jacob

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