From drew.adams@oracle.com Mon Aug 17 10:08:44 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 17 Aug 2009 17:08:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7HH8gYa025553 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:08:44 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Md5hK-0001M6-JX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:08:42 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Md5hG-0001JA-Ry for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:08:42 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33938 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Md5hG-0001J5-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:08:38 -0400 Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:39490 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Md5hG-00055x-9Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:08:38 -0400 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n7HH8lcC001371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:08:48 GMT Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com (abhmt014.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n7HH8Zb7024979 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:08:35 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:08:32 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.1; doc bug, Elisp manual: notion of font family is not explained Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:08:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcofXVnuHa95gpBGTr+s51OZRIshdA== X-Source-IP: abhmt014.oracle.com [141.146.116.23] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4A898E91.0029:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) Various parts of the Elisp manual refer to font families, but this concept is nowhere explained (defined). Using `i' in Info shows, for example, when checking for both `font' and `family', these index entries: `face-font-family-alternatives' `font-family-list' `x-family-fonts' Look at the indexed doc and you will see that it talks about font families, without ever saying what a font family is. This makes the doc incomprehensible. Try to understand the `x-family-fonts' description, for instance, without knowing what a font family is (which is my case, FWIW). Substitute `zophlog' for `family', then see if you understand: Function: x-zophlog-fonts &optional zophlog frame This function returns a list describing the available fonts for zophlog ZOPHLOG on FRAME. If ZOPHLOG is omitted or `nil', this list applies to all zophlogs, and therefore, it contains all available fonts. Otherwise, ZOPHLOG must be a string; it may contain the wildcards `?' and `*'. The list describes the display that FRAME is on; if FRAME is omitted or `nil', it applies to the selected frame's display (*note Input Focus::). Each element in the list is a vector of the following form: [ZOPHLOG WIDTH POINT-SIZE WEIGHT SLANT FIXED-P FULL REGISTRY-AND-ENCODING] The first five elements correspond to face attributes; if you specify these attributes for a face, it will use this font. The last three elements give additional information about the font. FIXED-P is non-`nil' if the font is fixed-pitch. FULL is the full name of the font, and REGISTRY-AND-ENCODING is a string giving the registry and encoding of the font. That's as much as I understand - essentially nothing. Please define and explain the notion `font family'. Elisp manual nodes that use the unexplained notion `font family': Faces Face Attributes Font Selection Font Lookup Fontsets In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-29 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4)' From cyd@stupidchicken.com Fri Sep 11 17:20:32 2009 Received: (at 4178) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Sep 2009 00:20:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu (pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu [130.132.50.79]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8C0KV2J030158 for <4178@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:20:32 -0700 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014244.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n8C0KPoe017109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:20:25 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2108AC070; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 4178@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 23.1; doc bug, Elisp manual: notion of font family is not explained Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:20:26 -0400 Message-ID: <87ocphqaid.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) > Various parts of the Elisp manual refer to font families, but this > concept is nowhere explained (defined). I don't think it's the place of the Emacs manual to define every single operating system concept, especially one as self-explanatory as "font family". But if it makes you happy, I can add it to the glossary. From lekktu@gmail.com Thu Oct 22 02:35:31 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 22 Oct 2009 09:35:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,MISSING_SUBJECT, MURPHY_DRUGS_REL8,NOSUBJECT,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9M9ZTNW004084 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:35:31 -0700 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so9696363fxm.1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:35:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=8EmqKmTQZFxRHmBqMf0mAHPBq3MFliknc0lztWoJq6Y=; b=HxQYupT4FFltZz1ItMJj0h3XTFYNK5e7ryT0Cek2T3YESYQLNQM8G9V9i2CKiMAEbc EvYuLj8f7w1qApk14qvzihjcYCGQUOU+1DBevO5UhGKLQhzQ6+vBiuihHNGFYaXeeEYe kJYg0CmwEGM5xp9e/Qz4pt4br7Ml4TcpNJkWo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Y5ybjjcxlLdLgAFAm7oQwPF4q6enZ/vhDgoBesbKLPsYfKZBy2gNxuVUArd1lZsA9C Mqc9bcUQhekOxrkhuBrM/oRLNjZDm8m0DPtCnEMhvvK6rKfs9H9j6QMJR6VObUwlfUeo 7VB35jQ8OYFrwvpcsbgPdQA8bmjmcb1XFRU14= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.145.8 with SMTP id q8mr761204hba.122.1256204124158; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:35:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 reassign 4326 emacs,ns merge 4261 4434 merge 1589 3359 4207 merge 3829 4077 tags 4781 + patch tags 4747 + patch tags 4579 + patch tags 4471 + patch tags 4434 + patch tags 4234 + patch tags 4221 + patch tags 4147 + patch tags 4144 + patch tags 4139 + patch tags 4023 + patch tags 4736 + moreinfo unreproducible tags 4547 + notabug tags 4451 + notabug tags 4448 + moreinfo tags 4427 + moreinfo tags 4373 + notabug tags 4360 + notabug tags 4271 + moreinfo tags 4236 + moreinfo tags 4143 + moreinfo unreproducible tags 4120 + moreinfo unreproducible tags 4070 + moreinfo unreproducible severity 4422 wishlist severity 4396 minor severity 4394 minor severity 4341 wishlist severity 4300 minor severity 4263 minor severity 4178 minor severity 4172 wishlist severity 4110 wishlist severity 4056 wishlist close 4772 close 4700 close 4599 close 4515 close 4463 close 4445 close 4395 close 4334 close 4289 close 4219 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 17:04:26 2011 Received: (at 4178) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 21:04:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgk81-0003Cb-MK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:04:26 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgk80-0003CO-2i for 4178@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:04:24 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgk7l-0005pS-GF; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:04:09 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: 23.1; doc bug, Elisp manual: notion of font family is not explained In-Reply-To: <87ocphqaid.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:20:26 -0400") Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:00:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ocphqaid.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Peter Gabriel's _Plays Live (1)_: "I Have the Touch" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:drew.adams@oracle.com::+O2zQO2KSjfcgHjl:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000rup X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:4178@debbugs.gnu.org::fO1ORE99BLOrCO7Q:000000000000000000000000000000000000000007TL6 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110712:cyd@stupidchicken.com::JpwDqjiq2GDxlK5m:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000OPJq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qgk7l-0005pS-GF X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311109449.61053@+hGSGOFU6NFLKRx7DDLtuw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4178 Cc: 4178@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Chong Yidong writes: >> Various parts of the Elisp manual refer to font families, but this >> concept is nowhere explained (defined). > > I don't think it's the place of the Emacs manual to define every single > operating system concept, especially one as self-explanatory as "font > family". But if it makes you happy, I can add it to the glossary. I can't seem to find it in the glossary. On the other hand, I think this is something that doesn't really belong in the manual. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 18:13:43 2011 Received: (at 4178) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 22:13:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QglD4-0006WD-RH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:43 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QglCm-0006Vg-8O for 4178@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:41 -0400 Received: from furball (173-9-75-145-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.9.75.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CMDFN4001864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:16 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: 23.1; doc bug, Elisp manual: notion of font family is not explained References: <87ocphqaid.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:00:37 +0200") Message-ID: <874o2rb11g.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4178 Cc: 4178@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Chong Yidong writes: > >>> Various parts of the Elisp manual refer to font families, but this >>> concept is nowhere explained (defined). >> >> I don't think it's the place of the Emacs manual to define every single >> operating system concept, especially one as self-explanatory as "font >> family". But if it makes you happy, I can add it to the glossary. > > I can't seem to find it in the glossary. On the other hand, I think > this is something that doesn't really belong in the manual. I added a couple of xrefs to the Fonts node in the Emacs manual, from which the meaning of "font families" should be obvious. Closing the bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 12 18:13:43 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2011 22:13:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QglD5-0006WG-6u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:43 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QglCw-0006Vr-AW for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:42 -0400 Received: from furball (173-9-75-145-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.9.75.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6CMDST3026467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:28 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 4178 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:13:27 -0400 Message-ID: <87fwmbcflk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) close 4178 thanks From unknown Sat Aug 16 11:41:04 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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