Subject: RE: bug#41532: Why use the mouse in Emacs?

From: Drew Adams <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:22:10 -0700 (PDT)

Lots of us use both keyboard and mouse.

The difference from some other applications,
I think, is that some applications pretty
much _require_ you to use a mouse.  There's
often no keyboard shortcut for this or that
operation, and no way to create your own
shortcut in the application.

This seems to be the problem you're reporting:

> the Emacs graphical interface is half broken.
> ... it is difficult to navigate with the mouse
> or to organize its work because the interface
> is not designed this way.

How so?  Specifically, what's the problem?  In
what way can you not navigate with the mouse?

> The menu, for example, does not open graphical
> windows but usual Emacs windows (minibuffer,
> echo area, Customize...).

OK, good; something concrete.  Except ... what
do you mean by "graphical windows"?  The examples
you mention are graphical windows, AFAICT.

Do you perhaps mean window-manager windows, i.e.,
what Emacs calls "frames"?  If so, customize
`pop-up-frames' to `t', and see if Emacs then
does what you want.

> Finally, I think it is necessary to clarify
> that we use Emacs mainly with the keyboard
> because the interface is designed that way
> otherwise the user will have false expectations.

Is not designed what way?  False expectations
of what?