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Currently that var is set inside the derived mode:   (set (make-local-variable 'forward-sexp-function)        'python-nav-forward-sexp) and comment section in python.el head contains: If you prefer `cc-mode'-like ;; `forward-sexp' movement, setting `forward-sexp-function' to nil is ;; enough, You can do that using the `python-mode-hook': ;; (add-hook 'python-mode-hook ;;           (lambda () (setq forward-sexp-function nil))) Thread is here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg02196.html Thanks, Andreas -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: python.el: improve sexp-based navigation or make it optional? Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:11:51 +0200 From: Andreas Röhler To: emacs-devel@gnu.org CC: immerrr again , Stefan Kangas On 16.05.20 15:16, immerrr again wrote: > In absence of such mode, I wonder if it would be a welcome addition to > introduce a configuration parameter that at least disables the smart > navigation, making sexp skip one symbol or explicitly > parenthesized/bracketed expression at a time. Maybe that does it?: (from python.el) If you prefer `cc-mode'-like ;; `forward-sexp' movement, setting `forward-sexp-function' to nil is ;; enough, You can do that using the `python-mode-hook': ;; (add-hook 'python-mode-hook ;;           (lambda () (setq forward-sexp-function nil))) --------------090EFF54015ED832D80EB3BA Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

maybe make forward-sexp-function customizable. Currently that var is set inside the derived mode:

  (set (make-local-variable 'forward-sexp-function)
       'python-nav-forward-sexp)

and comment section in python.el head contains:


If you prefer `cc-mode'-like
;; `forward-sexp' movement, setting `forward-sexp-function' to nil is
;; enough, You can do that using the `python-mode-hook':

;; (add-hook 'python-mode-hook
;;           (lambda () (setq forward-sexp-function nil)))

Thread is here:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg02196.html

Thanks,
Andreas

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: python.el: improve sexp-based navigation or make it optional?
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:11:51 +0200
From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
CC: immerrr again <immerrr@gmail.com>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>



On 16.05.20 15:16, immerrr again wrote:
In absence of such mode, I wonder if it would be a welcome addition to
introduce a configuration parameter that at least disables the smart
navigation, making sexp skip one symbol or explicitly
parenthesized/bracketed expression at a time.

Maybe that does it?: (from python.el)

If you prefer `cc-mode'-like
;; `forward-sexp' movement, setting `forward-sexp-function' to nil is
;; enough, You can do that using the `python-mode-hook':

;; (add-hook 'python-mode-hook
;;           (lambda () (setq forward-sexp-function nil)))


--------------090EFF54015ED832D80EB3BA-- From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41361: Fwd: Re: python.el: improve sexp-based navigation or make it optional? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= writes: > >> maybe make forward-sexp-function customizable. Currently that var is >> set inside the derived mode: > > I agree that this should be customizable. Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (joaotavora[at]gmail.com) 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: online.de] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [89.180.155.44 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.128.46 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.128.46 listed in wl.mailspike.net] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: > >> maybe make forward-sexp-function customizable. Currently that var is >> set inside the derived mode: > > I agree that this should be customizable. I too am a fan of sexp navigation (C-M-f, C-M-b, etc.) If this navigation in indeed superior, we could consider making it the default for python-mode? Something similar thing was done recently for nxml-mode, by changing nxml-sexp-element-flag from nil to t. I liked this change very much. Jo=C3=A3o From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41361: Fwd: Re: python.el: improve sexp-based navigation or make it optional? Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 02:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Cc: 41361@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , immerrr@gmail.com Received: via spool by 41361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41361.16162087204261 (code B ref 41361); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 02:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 41361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2021 02:52:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRiZ-00016f-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:52:00 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f46.google.com ([209.85.216.46]:53117) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRiY-00016Q-8t for 41361@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:51:58 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f46.google.com with SMTP id ha17so5558423pjb.2 for <41361@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R3lHEOCfCoDhS8XmncTtZqfGX0CZXPhAmvzxUFJI+zE=; b=AhCU+OFI5K16zLdH2o0D6ipFxFzWE4AJtoTicgNM26GDfuE+jp5VdwWIA2mE5yDqhU 8fdcDxgsJL6McCHKW4JoPHVkBhZC0newGtGEnJ1gPFdUG+SPX17i/Ay25VpmrWDlQZLQ +BevGoq1cLf5NIjLRrxIsmkkSWMMyI/1qqnNQAl4CNFgrbFHhGuH951FW1GioxtrvN+z 7+iN1X1In0TmZp8LtU0dohVtaYK3NdrENHhAY1vn4bm1ih7n1TcfNmB9ik8ENIKEOvIZ rFt6TgyAeYEnOMeNL/oRAtDxXbl8XqZKkkByBaI/0gmlQTayk4/Eq8bOZRib/+FZ7KrS miYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533CPBVNE3Xzpeiky4vslCVKVm8/gL31WvLTyUvTDsEr8y8m3A9m kZVrKhprMnU5jtNe+fNbHUU8y7Fylej+gj9fadA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxl9+cLOY7fuiBo12zDfEJgbe7UOfTfu2GcWuXe9iY8+sp5hm42Z7dYOAagddnVrLthdwH8FZJJuD0MIH4vKO4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:f986:: with SMTP id cq6mr1526639pjb.175.1616208712454; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:51:52 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87y2pl2ylw.fsf@gmail.com> ("=?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?="'s message of "Thu, 21 May 2020 14:42:35 +0100") References: <7e0e2951-a346-4d4f-421e-7a59ab1dd4ae@online.de> <87y2pl2ylw.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:51:52 -0500 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: >> >>> maybe make forward-sexp-function customizable. Currently that var is >>> set inside the derived mode: >> >> I agree that this should be customizable. > > I too am a fan of sexp navigation (C-M-f, C-M-b, etc.) If this > navigation in indeed superior, we could consider making it the default > for python-mode? Something similar thing was done recently for > nxml-mode, by changing nxml-sexp-element-flag from nil to t. I liked > this change very much. I have been back to coding a bunch of Python lately, and having experimented with this I think making it the default behavior is indeed a good idea. In the linked emacs-devel thread, I said that the old behavior was fine, which I guess is true. I have now come to the conclusion that it is also worse than the alternative. :-) From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:52 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41361: Fwd: Re: python.el: improve sexp-based navigation or make it optional? 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