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Attached picture shows before/after. --- old/killing.texi 2020-05-03 01:31:57.259190700 +0200 +++ new/killing.texi 2020-05-06 23:39:16.942404300 +0200 @@ -452,7 +452,7 @@ append to the text that @kbd{M-w} copied into the kill ring. @node Cut and Paste -@section ``Cut and Paste'' Operations on Graphical Displays +@section “Cut and Paste” Operations on Graphical Displays @cindex cut @cindex copy @cindex paste S. 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Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 01:33:23 +0200 > > I'm not sure about it, because it's against convention of using > ``...'' in source file, but it's for '@section', so it's kind of > special case, which means it may be acceptable. I don't understand the rationale, and the image is strange. I should have seen curved quotes there in the OLD version. That's what I see in the Info version. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Sebastian Urban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 17:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158887252723927 (code B ref 41117); Thu, 07 May 2020 17:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2020 17:28:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43855 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWkK6-0006De-VX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 May 2020 13:28:47 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f173.google.com ([209.85.208.173]:36784) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWkK5-0006DR-Lo for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 May 2020 13:28:38 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f173.google.com with SMTP id u15so7227639ljd.3 for <41117@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 May 2020 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:subject:to:cc:references:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rtsds8TT4ULTX/6rrBiAklOkPW15Jbb1wgIczSPPErw=; b=NQf0hTu7vO1PjKA+F54L4558KvPj3taGH0tdNkOaIlPYhmlmV5JjJgS1LlGmk/6X6v 8RYEJJ+7vcilQKd75u2As2UxdQ//+09FA5bPgJBGePnkqMusXbCcwIjiSd8OjQc43sxP leCQA59BAIgJR/wstbeZhxdJsBeYt0Ckz9czNl/IKFh+ktxGAsTGRW0n+6ubWANyog4y PNiqt4po8ap9V+Me3+Y+gyGON4P2LweG8rTZCvXaGaKMY2GgaREtbV3gplc33ROyhsOJ GKTnJBKH2GAv/adJYVlkMtHe2LT69JR9lxhAhxDTMInnlk37flrw/55AVbH4Dii4Iu/F 5O8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:subject:to:cc:references:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rtsds8TT4ULTX/6rrBiAklOkPW15Jbb1wgIczSPPErw=; b=GMdllkNE661eInTILVfWTnd0+eCo2ugfDTMd0cMkJ40Q+kaZWGJc4Jj/8V0uhPONYh OAXCOuRUlD38PvwzYwketSlR6z9o61BJmiqHTEjn16E0Z2GOracgqHpaJ2Eof2jdILt+ 7ylyPB59ZZDhGpsau5qaa3lVwO/POSvcYIGjdpLo0NZBNXSDksxbc/SN6bit2SgyHAgt DYLfT9WF+1WzCNpJakTXGDMcgHPT/W7Log1XlLNCV8TS7EIPcMmm0xiPkELpp8rLmMw+ RoAXbfgRipo9hlg9CUA/F2vrA6dzHY4GL6YmDCBr/aCJryAvno4qjfJA6QYCtukeXnyi Xbyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYjMsoRSvnxM4Q8gqgQ1dKrY9oKWtwiSZ93q7tvLkP55AkDnxRh UDU8qV/O2b4kGuWHMXBUMRRSIbGU X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKD8cYtmnFa2lNto1uW/jv9+mNirKBtQSvPhJoHMlF8YuiByaugxABsAiSVdcm/AkM+8XdVXw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b44c:: with SMTP id o12mr8442693ljm.240.1588872510601; Thu, 07 May 2020 10:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ip-89-161-2-137.tel.tkb.net.pl. [89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o20sm4244998lfc.39.2020.05.07.10.28.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 May 2020 10:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sebastian Urban References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 19:28:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I don't understand the rationale, and the image is strange. I > should have seen curved quotes there in the OLD version. That's > what I see in the Info version. The image is screenshot of bookmarks panel. You probably won't see curved quotes there because, I think, PDF bookmarks can't show these glyphs. So, probably, it shows ASCII characters, i.e. ``...'' or ASCII approximations. Because in Emacs manual, in section "Quotation Marks", there are presented two conventions for ASCII quotes - 'like this' and "like this", I wanted to make it look more appropriate. And that's why I chose to change in source ``...'' to “...” - everything will look as it is now, except for name in PDF bookmarks panel, which will change from ``Cut and Paste''... to "Cut and Paste"..., so closer to the convention of ASCII style of quoting. S. U. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 17:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158887279624553 (code B ref 41117); Thu, 07 May 2020 17:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2020 17:33:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43874 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWkOa-0006Nx-13 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 May 2020 13:33:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWkOY-0006Ni-7q for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 May 2020 13:33:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55272) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jWkOS-00006K-Vu; Thu, 07 May 2020 13:33:08 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4512 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jWkOS-0001vS-9k; Thu, 07 May 2020 13:33:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 20:32:54 +0300 Message-Id: <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Sebastian Urban on Thu, 7 May 2020 19:28:36 +0200) References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sebastian Urban > Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 19:28:36 +0200 > > The image is screenshot of bookmarks panel. You probably won't see > curved quotes there because, I think, PDF bookmarks can't show these > glyphs. So, probably, it shows ASCII characters, i.e. ``...'' or > ASCII approximations. Not my experience. I see curved quotes, AFAIR. But even if this isn't true, the Texinfo sources of the Emacs manual is not the place to fix it, this should be fixed in Texinfo. > Because in Emacs manual, in section "Quotation Marks", there are > presented two conventions for ASCII quotes - 'like this' and "like > this", I wanted to make it look more appropriate. And that's why I > chose to change in source ``...'' to “...” - everything will look as > it is now, except for name in PDF bookmarks panel, which will change > from ``Cut and Paste''... to "Cut and Paste"..., so closer to the > convention of ASCII style of quoting. We use quoting ``..'' like this in Texinfo because this is supposed to produce curved quotes, as printed quoted text is supposed to look. I don't think it's right to change that because PDF looks wrong, it isn't a problem with our manual. Thanks. 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[89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r15sm4468234lfp.34.2020.05.07.12.31.44 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 May 2020 12:31:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 21:31:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Not my experience. I see curved quotes, AFAIR. Strange, for official PDF updated for 26.3, Adobe Reader, SumatraPDF, and Firefox's PDF reader, all show ``...'' instead of “...”, here. > But even if this isn't true, the Texinfo sources of the Emacs manual > is not the place to fix it, this should be fixed in Texinfo. If it's Texinfo problem, then yes. I just tried to fix it the simplest way possible. > We use quoting ``..'' like this in Texinfo because this is supposed to > produce curved quotes, as printed quoted text is supposed to look. I > don't think it's right to change that because PDF looks wrong, it > isn't a problem with our manual. I'm aware of ``...'' as a default way of printing “...”, but - again - I wanted to fix it and this small change did it. Because it wasn't in the middle of paragraph, I thought it may be acceptable. Since you don't want make any exceptions of this kind, I think I'm on my way to "help-texinfo" mailing list. Could you keep this open for few more days? S. U. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 02:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158890628132230 (code B ref 41117); Fri, 08 May 2020 02:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2020 02:51:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWt6f-0008Nm-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 May 2020 22:51:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45726) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWt6e-0008NY-KB for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 May 2020 22:51:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jWt6Z-0004xU-9m; Thu, 07 May 2020 22:51:15 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jWt6Y-0005Ht-GD; Thu, 07 May 2020 22:51:14 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: (message from Sebastian Urban on Thu, 7 May 2020 01:33:23 +0200) References: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 22:51:14 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I'm not sure about it, because it's against convention of using > ``...'' in source file, but it's for '@section', so it's kind of > special case, which means it may be acceptable. Texinfo is supposed to handle `` and '' in section titles. Can you report what commands you executed to get this output? Where in the output file did you see the error? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 06:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158891820719653 (code B ref 41117); Fri, 08 May 2020 06:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2020 06:10:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44442 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWwD1-00056u-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 02:10:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jWwD0-00056I-JP for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 02:10:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39756) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jWwCv-0005GA-2W; Fri, 08 May 2020 02:10:01 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2774 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jWwCu-0007dJ-Fa; Fri, 08 May 2020 02:10:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 09:09:48 +0300 Message-Id: <837dxnj6tv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Sebastian Urban on Thu, 7 May 2020 21:31:51 +0200) References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 21:31:51 +0200 > > Since you don't want make any exceptions of this kind, I think I'm on > my way to "help-texinfo" mailing list. Could you keep this open for > few more days? I didn't say I will close this. And even if I did close, reopening is very simple, see admin/notes/bugtracker for the details. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Sebastian Urban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158895195918672 (code B ref 41117); Fri, 08 May 2020 15:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2020 15:32:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jX4zO-0004r6-Rh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 11:32:39 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f178.google.com ([209.85.208.178]:34801) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jX4zN-0004qs-9E for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 11:32:37 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f178.google.com with SMTP id f11so2130972ljp.1 for <41117@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 08 May 2020 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G5WNJf0kqxN29q2OtTu0bWVjKooPlBoDMUZaAYBEuXY=; b=QbrNpaJ9D3g9wGyKVQXHhTHHsbuWmYxYXxWv9Ak9ywQUMCFPe4Ca7VkSJspgIAYpFx WEDAs7I3xNozic1W+dVzBqmKbBI/5o2yov8JhC0oREXDRhDuynLQfgdfqtMEVvisvgCK M2K1727G/2HsG592Vhf9M+1hdR0p0N6Ph3DIrAq8jnS9lNOhOoILafl95DtP1kLnkR2g wuJBo5eKExPas6Gc3cKWNvOPU78yYfLYOnn0HAA9hyWJ6yuEZjyZBTdH/Gkg/wNax5ZK U1UiKd4T0PGuhM58HYO1DJdkojxTX9gt5vhUvZ4ievwDbcGZ7yEjbPfuCKNAHTALOhwz LsZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=G5WNJf0kqxN29q2OtTu0bWVjKooPlBoDMUZaAYBEuXY=; b=uPmqWfDjWCG5u8yWfbWSeaDruveIQLjt5dcKLlS8RJ8xNAptK06c5ZFVf8e9qYySCk OigtDUK3nA18eQSuchAOeEKgzKKM1wnjYyKMG8brl4yTgfwasqbX/6OW21NBd68Zyeai heA+dfsowg4UeGK660yBs6JNtPRZkhMPlTDev+kqEXKf6ZK0xQeaJKvt6OPQ/kU5rkMY nDH65D9idGRsuNpqhS533cCUYNONqII3yr5HUXPpnhmacpe8fUW6QsHqQqB+I92xqnLN F4g7sduW9sQUJhhvjcyiX1a7mWsvQI1RhLVxr8vBjErYfPcrdLdx1c2mB+MI9o4DkmKL afWw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53362ocGmNdfIdqLTsQO1tm0WPEBRf0Y8ioNUmin/1ajTuK6RmzK PRf3fxyG0zdGqqL1UIIeDl3o9fsHg1Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxu5KbootOYGtb38qu/GXiM1dZF2OqMbPU4MwS1vRQov3pzz+axuZVMUAck6qfXeuoksXrnWg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:319:: with SMTP id a25mr1980621ljp.209.1588951951119; Fri, 08 May 2020 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ip-89-161-2-137.tel.tkb.net.pl. [89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m23sm1522549ljb.87.2020.05.08.08.32.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 08 May 2020 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 17:32:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> I'm not sure about it, because it's against convention of using >> ``...'' in source file, but it's for '@section', so it's kind of >> special case, which means it may be acceptable. > > Texinfo is supposed to handle `` and '' in section titles. It does inside text, but not in PDF bookmarks pane/panel. > Can you report what commands you executed to get this output? "texi2pdf --tidy emacs.texi", but it doesn't matter, because the problem is in the official Emacs manual PDF as well. > Where in the output file did you see the error? The easiest way to see it: Open https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/pdf/emacs.pdf e.g. in Firefox, then look at bookmarks on the left, "Killing and Moving Text" ---> "'Cut and Paste' Operations on Graphical Displays". You'll see something like ``Cut and Paste" in the bookmarks panel. S. U. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 03:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org, mrsebastianurban@gmail.com Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158899629110840 (code B ref 41117); Sat, 09 May 2020 03:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2020 03:51:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46548 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGWR-0002ol-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:51:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50222) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGWQ-0002oW-CO for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:51:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43792) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGWL-0006eo-2a; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:51:25 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGWH-0004cf-Jg; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:51:21 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 07 May 2020 20:32:54 +0300) References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 23:51:21 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We use quoting ``..'' like this in Texinfo because this is supposed to > produce curved quotes, as printed quoted text is supposed to look. That is the standard TeX convention. Texinfo, for making PDFs, is based on TeX so Texinfo uses the same convention. There is a project to replace Texinfo with a new input format. (Unfortunately we can't use the other existing clean input formats, because none of them can make all the distinctions we need to make.) If you would like to be one of the developers, please let me know. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 03:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158899648711174 (code B ref 41117); Sat, 09 May 2020 03:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2020 03:54:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGZb-0002uA-B4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:54:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51316) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGZZ-0002ty-UJ for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:54:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43890) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGZU-0007Vj-Kg; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:54:40 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jXGZT-00058i-Pa; Fri, 08 May 2020 23:54:39 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: (message from Sebastian Urban on Fri, 8 May 2020 17:32:38 +0200) References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 23:54:39 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Texinfo is supposed to handle `` and '' in section titles. > It does inside text, but not in PDF bookmarks pane/panel. It sounds like this is a bug in whatever program constructs the PDF bookmarks pane/panel. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Sebastian Urban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.15894750714536 (code B ref 41117); Thu, 14 May 2020 16:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2020 16:51:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jZH4h-0001B6-0a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 12:51:11 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f180.google.com ([209.85.208.180]:43101) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jZH4f-0001Af-MA for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 12:51:10 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f180.google.com with SMTP id l19so4266781lje.10 for <41117@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:51:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zAYm8y4HlWamLNemSbSkXh0N1GWybAzqFcVPB3683M8=; b=dqOlHY6BPXCnpsbVrAbErGbb0iAPDVezUoQynAonWDTmVD3VWHZNhruj4g6Fp6WQYS +UqUWkmUAIjQ3aB6TNWNFaDa+t9/DL1es3K/faY8NIet+AT6237a6dFHk9AvBbQUf5WJ 1bRabbUkDFH1Kr8d6KCrR1/+zM/Sk3/vKV/WHnqrv4leJX9v6216TwXu63cRJBKIkniw rvUzZrd9vdHfeOzrnZsY7GOMdbylubHSn08WTAWqZZokuWnLAueJRNc9+Ft7mnbd8QsJ uzfO566PPQyn8lpbNPoE9cU9oINVCb4vg4Rayg/qEzrGgtAm5FTlHV/w1Q9Bu2mZhVKC iDGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zAYm8y4HlWamLNemSbSkXh0N1GWybAzqFcVPB3683M8=; b=kSZcNbehi8aUE1DbG3w2OLG3jQPfT3Hs5bz5zyVhEBFrmn7RZ9/rsVDyPVMpih415v zBxC4yx1kEbJz8isGH8zrJ/LEAlqqBVz7HfxcfFchqLMHPpLV0HoDPAIuYMqweAaPFFW DsRG7W7B0o5PV+NHDo7sk4qcp0iK+f2uXPotuF8mWe5Kje+85TEUCB+6qtr1Bpp7qMJv UDYTik3yrBSsP15tGgcxFVFwjmUBkVNMtPDZOxTFTEbC8kZxZx1pzafPYaiWu01AKj5E C2B/li2JyK7XFqdU7+BtJTriSGK2TPmemIdDM3/AV9vwtwSGCUkkxcFmfuPEqESDdR+C nMhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532pzU5aZZcL2hmZzimPX3P1/U5Gb+kG50Ye/VrX0/3YtOsLnvmO hKFYYY6HL+pKfx7OoFD+CenNx/e54FI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzUkG572YBtcJKKt8SRCUuuKZ9E6o/FIsU8P6dV7CIrTJmS6N7xkwDrVLdsBVDQeTvrW1eTwg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:860d:: with SMTP id a13mr3537722lji.60.1589475063253; Thu, 14 May 2020 09:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ip-89-161-2-137.tel.tkb.net.pl. [89.161.2.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l25sm2104982lfh.71.2020.05.14.09.51.02 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 May 2020 09:51:02 -0700 (PDT) References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> <837dxnj6tv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Sebastian Urban Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 18:51:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <837dxnj6tv.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Alright, back from Texinfo. Thread link: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-texinfo/2020-05/msg00031.html Here is the important part: >> 1. In my "test" texi file there is a line: >> @chapter ``Some text'' and the rest of the @TeX{} text >> >> The point is, when I export file to PDF (texi2pdf --tidy test.texi, >> with @documentencoding UTF-8), the bookmark that is created (PDF >> bookmarks) has ``Some text'', while I was hoping for “Some text” >> (curved quotes). >> >> I can "fix" it like this: >> @chapter “Some text” .... >> >> ("fix" in this case means getting "Some text" in the bookmarks, which >> is at least ASCII style quoting convention, i.e. it's better) >> >> but is there any way to stick to the ``..'' convention? > > It would have to be implemented. The problem is that the PDF format > uses UTF-16 internally for the bookmarks, so using curly quotes here is > quite difficult. Hence we are stuck with ASCII in the bookmarks. I > guess that " is better than `` but this may also be difficult to > implement. `` is a ligature in the fonts used that is a curvy double > quote but the PDF bookmarks are completely separate - you'd need to > change the two tokens `` to something else somehow. And few days later: > I'm not planning on working on this soon. It would be messy to implement > and quotation marks in chapter titles are rare anyway. So... can't we have one exception? As I wrote, it's in @section, so it could be special case - one special case. S. U. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41117 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sebastian Urban Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 41117-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41117.158947745212150 (code B ref 41117); Thu, 14 May 2020 17:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 41117) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2020 17:30:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHh6-00039a-2v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:30:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHh4-00032w-6a for 41117@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:30:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHgy-0006qd-V5; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:30:44 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3653 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHgx-0006qU-F4; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:30:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 20:30:28 +0300 Message-Id: <83v9ky4e6j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Sebastian Urban on Thu, 14 May 2020 18:51:06 +0200) References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> <837dxnj6tv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Sebastian Urban > Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 18:51:06 +0200 > > > I'm not planning on working on this soon. It would be messy to > implement > > and quotation marks in chapter titles are rare anyway. > > > So... can't we have one exception? As I wrote, it's in @section, so > it could be special case - one special case. Sorry, no. I don't want to fix Texinfo problems in our sources, especially since these problems are subtle and the "fix" looks plainly wrong to Texinfo users. Someone will come later and delete it as a mistake. We will have to wait until Texinfo fixes this. 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I don't want to fix Texinfo problems in our sources, > especially since these problems are subtle and the "fix" looks plainly > wrong to Texinfo users. Someone will come later and delete it as a > mistake. > > We will have to wait until Texinfo fixes this. OK. I guess this bug can remain open until fix for Texinfo arrive somewhere in the future. But if you want another report in the future, because it may take some time, feel free to close this one. S. U. 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[99.230.38.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u1sm1053739iol.42.2020.05.25.07.44.39 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 May 2020 07:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Postavsky To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: control message for bug #41117 Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: <85lflgt6p4.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) severity 41117 minor # It's a texinfo bug, not an Emacs bug tags 41117 + notabug quit From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:05:54 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Sebastian Urban Subject: bug#41117: closed (Re: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual)) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 41117 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: notabug Reply-To: 41117@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 15:20:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1599060004-21121-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1599060004-21121-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 41117@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 41117: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D41117 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1599060004-21121-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 41117-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2020 15:20:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDUYN-0005UE-13 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:20:03 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f68.google.com ([209.85.208.68]:33772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kDUYL-0005TZ-4h for 41117-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:20:01 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f68.google.com with SMTP id g4so1012445edk.0 for <41117-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IhoD4BPtPOBrHizStOuoguCikccrT8ztVuVx1D+y4jg=; b=JpG7BVuVzL9JRHsLUsuFYF4w+Jsc7FLADLCqv5T4ZWWoq5NvP1Ay55EhFghRzlfIKg SSlir/oS/Oz4/I8nB4EZbIN7NLave8o94rPjXv+EtA6n4gSw58SOdSFKRL8CwW2uMX02 TAEn4tiDMgzCwFd5ogPbnHZcrCrKxA6l93E2gmqlPF/9/wMTLp2LpniEP5eRS/idkp/Q g/JXVvGeYWDqITx02EDGyNNrelo5X6qdKULrs10abKnQ0aMqqTE2nUo7cSqIRpkCwlM7 uQijKcEVwlAuDFxAFUKCkjNQH9lmq26CMpk0rkZA5WW7VQ4bqf9226waA9zSVvpRLIbY mNiA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533yV88wvYy00ailh+L/QUYGB5PgPxlKUM3bR9gBva2cGlFfy5Bm DEQx4MVkW3Wq5ceu7GMdOBtHeypU8j/BjRLRXJk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwffo4R65kyOAwOT1j5qh2S9ce75mKPC3hPMnPeYinDDlv7jB8Ukn6uJKsi3yjsHfM3Mshu1HpJMPqjyppz4kI= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:cad3:: with SMTP id l19mr543174edt.352.1599059995534; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 08:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:19:55 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <2f7f8067-7848-113e-de83-e03f88956c6f@gmail.com> (Sebastian Urban's message of "Thu, 14 May 2020 21:05:42 +0200") References: <834ksslbey.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wrk5vd.fsf@gnu.org> <837dxnj6tv.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ky4e6j.fsf@gnu.org> <2f7f8067-7848-113e-de83-e03f88956c6f@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#41117: "Cut and paste" section name in bookmarks (PDF, Emacs manual) To: Sebastian Urban Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 41117-done Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 41117-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Sebastian Urban writes: >> Sorry, no. I don't want to fix Texinfo problems in our sources, >> especially since these problems are subtle and the "fix" looks plainly >> wrong to Texinfo users. Someone will come later and delete it as a >> mistake. >> We will have to wait until Texinfo fixes this. > > OK. > > I guess this bug can remain open until fix for Texinfo arrive > somewhere in the future. But if you want another report in the > future, because it may take some time, feel free to close this one. It's enough that texinfo tracks this bug on their end, so I'm closing this bug report. 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Attached picture shows before/after. --- old/killing.texi 2020-05-03 01:31:57.259190700 +0200 +++ new/killing.texi 2020-05-06 23:39:16.942404300 +0200 @@ -452,7 +452,7 @@ append to the text that @kbd{M-w} copied into the kill ring. @node Cut and Paste -@section ``Cut and Paste'' Operations on Graphical Displays +@section “Cut and Paste” Operations on Graphical Displays @cindex cut @cindex copy @cindex paste S. 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